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Post by Iakus on Feb 25, 2021 21:02:46 GMT
Personally, I did have fun with DAIMP for a couple of months, but it's not why I play Dragon Age. The short time I played DAMP (for the Dragon decor for Skyhold. Which BTW was a serious d*ck move in requiring MP for a SP reward) I found incredibly frustrating. If this means they're not returning to that for DA4, then maybe something good did come out of the Anthem debacle.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 25, 2021 21:04:38 GMT
Personally, I did have fun with DAIMP for a couple of months, but it's not why I play Dragon Age. M neither I only pla yME an dDA and aqll games for their single player. I'll admit I find the Multiplayer fun tto watch from time to time as a spectator it's kind of wh yI think I enjoyed Darcblades livestreams. In fact recently started watching them again.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 25, 2021 21:04:51 GMT
What was the budget in USD at the time, though? Making the conversion now it's around 79 million USD but I distinctly remember a lot of people comparing it to the budget that The Witcher 3 had and it was waaaaay less than that. ~40m was likely the cost of development. Marketing costs are at least as much as development costs. Ok, that must be what I remembered. 80 million USD budget in Poland is a world of difference than 80 million USD budget in Canada.
Especially when CDPR pays a lot of their employees Polish minimum wage, plus getting government funding and owning popular digital store GoG.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 25, 2021 21:10:35 GMT
What if they add it later as (free) DLC? Personally, as someone who likes either pure multiplayer or pure single player games, this makes me happy. I like both multi and single player, but mixing them together often results in a final product that is somewhat less than the sum of both components. Sure I'll take it later too, I also can take a game without MP But for me DAIMP and MEAMP have been good or even really good if talking about the latter, I hope they continue doing the co-op MP additions somehow. I coul dstill see MP being involved in ME as I thin kthe Mass Effec tversion ha sbeen quite popular I thin kit'll onl ybe the Drtagon Age on ethey'd ditch as I heard that's the one that didn' t quite take off.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 21:14:51 GMT
The point is, the SP budget is not diminished by the addition of MP or enhanced by deletion of MP … if SP only, you only get the SP budget … if you add MP, you get money for MP. But if you decide not to do MP, then you don't get to keep that money to add to SP.
Also, generally, the MP team is different from the SP team. They communicate and coordinate, but different teams.
I didn't play DAMP … early on, when I might have, game instability deterred me from trying it out. Later, once the game stability issues were resolved, what I'd read of MP, I wasn't interested.
This is about 180 out from ME3MP … I started it because of war assets and readiness states. My disappointment with the ending was mitigated in large part, because I fell in love with the MP. I bought all the SP DLC as a thank you to BioWare, because the MP was so good. Then, after some mods had come down the pipe, I went back and did all my runs imported from ME -> ME2 -> ME3 … 19 in total. But MP kept me into the game and gave me enough time to go back and do those runs. MEAMP never got the full development of ME3MP, which was unfortunate.
If they do a MP side game to DA4, depending on the combat, I might give it a whirl. But as others have said, I play DA for the story, not the MP. And largely, that's true of the ME franchise.
In any case, DA4 SP and not GAAS is great news. Now BioWare, spin a great tale to tell us.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2021 21:16:41 GMT
One thing to consider, the article makes it clear that the decision to shift towards a full SP game was taken a few months/months ago, so the trailer at the VGA might still be under the umbrella of the ‘new’ direction. Goodbye hope. It was nice for you to visit for a few minutes.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 25, 2021 21:18:49 GMT
I coul dstill see MP being involved in ME as I thin kthe Mass Effec tversion ha sbeen quite popular I thin kit'll onl ybe the Drtagon Age on ethey'd ditch as I heard that's the one that didn' t quite take off. While lucrative and popular, it may have the unwanted effect of tampering with data. Obviously the people who played ME for the MP alone, may not be interested in any of the SP aspects of the game and as such, corrective adjustments to the SP could be made, to entice the MP players, in hopes of expanding the fanbase further, get more people who play MP games to check out the SP, while driving out the people that played the SP for what it was, making an overal worse end product. It would be best to decouple the two and provide the MP as a F2P live service, like Apex Legends. It wouldn't even have to be developed by Bioware and could simply reuse assets from the mainline games, significantly reducing budget development costs for either title.
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Post by river82 on Feb 25, 2021 21:19:37 GMT
Wow, EA allowed DA to be pulled back from the brink. I'm completely surprised, I had resigned myself to some kind of soulless, grindy, actiony service game. I can't believe I'm saying this but thank you EA lol.
One disaster averted at least.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 25, 2021 21:23:18 GMT
Wonder if this means we'll have a proper power wheel again, instead of being forced to forget a power when we want to use a new one?
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Post by river82 on Feb 25, 2021 21:24:55 GMT
So given DA4 is pivoting direction again, does this delay the project further? Or does the elimination of MP elements reduce the workload to offset that? Also, I wonder if they will go back towards some of the Joplin vision? It might do, but to be perfectly honest with you ... I don't mind. Nobody wants another Anthem/Cyberpunk to be released
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Post by river82 on Feb 25, 2021 21:28:09 GMT
What was the budget in USD at the time, though? Making the conversion now it's around 79 million USD but I distinctly remember a lot of people comparing it to the budget that The Witcher 3 had and it was waaaaay less than that. People were comparing the Mass Effect development cost to the complete Witcher budget which factored in marketing.
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 25, 2021 21:39:56 GMT
Jason Schreier @jasonschreier BTW I should elaborate on one thing. Although some people within BioWare have been pushing for this, as the story says, there are also people at BioWare who very much wanted DA4 to be a multiplayer service game. Reality is never as simple as "EA wants X; BioWare wants Y."
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Post by river82 on Feb 25, 2021 21:48:25 GMT
Jason Schreier @jasonschreierBTW I should elaborate on one thing. Although some people within BioWare have been pushing for this, as the story says, there are also people at BioWare who very much wanted DA4 to be a multiplayer service game. Reality is never as simple as "EA wants X; BioWare wants Y." I wouldn't mind a Bioware live service game. The CONCEPT I'm fine with. I just don't think it falls into Bioware's strengths and I don't think they'd do it well
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 25, 2021 22:11:37 GMT
It's great to see BioWare getting to make a single player only RPG again. Controls and combat hopefully won't have to be compromised for multiplayer this time around.
Also, it is very encouraging to see that voting with one's wallet can actually have an effect.
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Post by kumazan on Feb 25, 2021 22:14:54 GMT
WTF, good news? Not good, great news, actually. Are we still in the 2020s? I'm kind of concerned about what this means for the development of the game. If it was structured for a GaaS experience, it may not work well as a standard SP game, and reestructuring would mean further delay.
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Post by necrowaif on Feb 25, 2021 22:18:33 GMT
Jason Schreier @jasonschreierBTW I should elaborate on one thing. Although some people within BioWare have been pushing for this, as the story says, there are also people at BioWare who very much wanted DA4 to be a multiplayer service game. Reality is never as simple as "EA wants X; BioWare wants Y." Who are these swine? GIVE ME THEIR NAMES SO I CAN EGG THEIR HOUSES
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 25, 2021 22:22:55 GMT
Good news if true that live service nonsense has been ditched.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 25, 2021 22:24:40 GMT
Heh, good, because fuck multiplayer. Frankly, my growing resentment to the sorts of models this kind of system promotes only makes me want more of them to drop dead, so I guess I can dance on Anthem’s grave.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Feb 25, 2021 22:30:00 GMT
Jason Schreier @jasonschreierBTW I should elaborate on one thing. Although some people within BioWare have been pushing for this, as the story says, there are also people at BioWare who very much wanted DA4 to be a multiplayer service game. Reality is never as simple as "EA wants X; BioWare wants Y." Who are these swine? GIVE ME THEIR NAMES Blood magic ritual approaching?
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Anyway, I usually don't mind MP, even if I never play it. As long as it stays away from the SP, which BW already messed up back in ME3 with that galactic readiness rating affecting story EMS and therefore endings until it got changed via patch/EC. Long story short, I'm not really sad.
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Post by Kelwing on Feb 25, 2021 22:40:36 GMT
Best news ever.
DA and ME games I play for the story not multiplayer. Anthem I was fine with it being multiplayer. So I guess Anthem being given the axe has shown them that multiplayer does not need to be forced onto every damn game. Course I think Jedi - Fallen Order also helped to show them single player games still do very well.
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 25, 2021 22:45:35 GMT
Jason Schreier @jasonschreierTime for some news that is going to make BioWare fans really happy. Following the success of Jedi Fallen Order and the failure of Anthem, EA has allowed BioWare to make the next Dragon Age a single-player RPG. Previously, it was planned as a service game.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 25, 2021 22:54:06 GMT
Very good news now DA can be DA.
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Post by Ponendus on Feb 25, 2021 22:55:32 GMT
Absolutely brilliant news! I am excited about the game again. Let’s hope this good-decision-train keeps rolling and BioWare can be given the freedom to get back to its roots.
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Post by PCthug on Feb 25, 2021 23:04:19 GMT
Jason Schreier @jasonschreierBTW I should elaborate on one thing. Although some people within BioWare have been pushing for this, as the story says, there are also people at BioWare who very much wanted DA4 to be a multiplayer service game. Reality is never as simple as "EA wants X; BioWare wants Y." I'm genuinely curious how they square this with the series thus far and how they expected the fandom they've built to react if they got their way.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 25, 2021 23:09:27 GMT
Jason Schreier @jasonschreierBTW I should elaborate on one thing. Although some people within BioWare have been pushing for this, as the story says, there are also people at BioWare who very much wanted DA4 to be a multiplayer service game. Reality is never as simple as "EA wants X; BioWare wants Y." I'm genuinely curious how they square this with the series thus far and how they expected the fandom they've built to react if they got their way. We really don't know how many people wanted the multiplayer service versions of DA4. It could have been 50% of the staff. It could have been only 10%. I doubt Jason knows the exact amount. If the game is SP only at this point, it's all kinda mute in the end.
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