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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 20, 2021 18:41:16 GMT
There are a considerable number of people who have (you may need to sit down) never played Mass Effect. There may also be people who never got around to the multitude of DLC. So this thread is for new players and players of new content (to them). Please don't throw huge spoilers around but do share your new playthroughs. Please be nice to new players. Dead horses will be removed.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2021 18:36:36 GMT
I would also suggest to new players to ask questions about whatever in the trilogy. There is always someone who can answer that question.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 18:47:46 GMT
[snipity, snip snip] Please be nice to new players. Dead horses will be removed. Wait, wat? No Dead Poet Equus Society?
Renderers and tanners hardest hit.
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Post by xassantex on May 21, 2021 0:49:08 GMT
new players ? The 2 vorchas keep inviting to play in the Arcade , but they always lose.
doubt they're here, most likely do not know of this forum , at all.
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Post by alanc9 on May 23, 2021 1:58:19 GMT
Where would a new player end up going to find out stuff? Reddit, I guess. Anyplace else?
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Post by dragontartare on May 25, 2021 1:57:28 GMT
This isn't my new playthrough, but here's a new playthrough for anyone who, like me, is disappointed with the seeming lack of newbies here.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 25, 2021 11:37:28 GMT
disappointed with the seeming lack of newbies here It's not just here, I'm experiencing the same on my end. I've talked to a grand total of 7 new players, who all experienced some sort of depression by the ME3 ending and all felt like complaining to Bioware about it. So much for Mac's hopes and dreams.
I do have an eighth. He thinks that only ME1 was good and that ME3, so far, is on par with ME2 and thinks the ending debacle was probably overblown. He's currently doing Tuchanka. Do I have the heart to tell him it's all downhill from there?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 18:52:10 GMT
From what I see, forums are just not a thing with new players anymore. Bethesda is even shutting down there's. Most kids I've talked to find most forums too negative these days, so they avoid them altogether. Many of their favorite games are played online with friends from school... who they can't really socialize in person with right now... instead of talking with a bunch of strangers on a forum. There are a number of new players producing videos of MELE on Youtube and streaming it on Twitch. Most reactions I've seen there have been fairly positive. In addition, the Wiki is quite complete and there are hundreds of informative videos on Youtube to access if one is needing information about the Trilogy as well. There is no real need to come here to find out how to play a particular mission or build.
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Post by Element Zero on May 25, 2021 18:54:49 GMT
dragontartare, thanks for linking that gameplay vid. It was fun to see her experience Mass Effect for the first time. I kind of hope she gets to play it off camera. It's too easy to miss, or fail to retain, key info and details while worrying about a stream.
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Post by dragontartare on May 25, 2021 22:49:36 GMT
It's not just here, I'm experiencing the same on my end. I've talked to a grand total of 7 new players, who all experienced some sort of depression by the ME3 ending and all felt like complaining to Bioware about it. You know seven brand new players who have already finished the trilogy? How do people play so fast? I do have an eighth. He thinks that only ME1 was good and that ME3, so far, is on par with ME2 and thinks the ending debacle was probably overblown. He's currently doing Tuchanka. Do I have the heart to tell him it's all downhill from there? I played ME late, and I think the ending debacle is overblown, too. The ending could have been better, and I had John P's Alternative Happy Ending Mod installed after the first playthrough, but with Extended Cut it isn't that horrible. I kind of hope she gets to play it off camera. It's too easy to miss, or fail to retain, key info and details while worrying about a stream. Yeah, for sure. However, I hope she's recording whenever she finds her first thresher maw
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 25, 2021 23:35:17 GMT
You know seven brand new players who have already finished the trilogy? How do people play so fast? I'm impressed, but it's been a week and some youngsters that are NEET can have a lot of time on their hands. At 30 hours a game, being generous, it could take them as little as 2 days a game. If they're not completionists, or simply rush through the story, that's closer to 20 hours a game. Which means that by the half of the second day, they could be in ME2 already. A total of five to 8 days would be enough for them. And I talked to them on Sunday. I have a friend that starts BG2 on a Friday night and by Sunday afternoon he is done with it. And he does everything. I played ME late, and I think the ending debacle is overblown, too. The ending could have been better, and I had John P's Alternative Happy Ending Mod installed after the first playthrough, but with Extended Cut it isn't that horrible. Well, the seven first all felt like complaining, all on console. The eight think that the rest of ME3 will be at Tuchanka levels, which is why he doesn't believe the ending is really that bad. I expect him to change his tune, soon enough. I'll give him a couple of days.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 10:04:21 GMT
It's not just here, I'm experiencing the same on my end. I've talked to a grand total of 7 new players, who all experienced some sort of depression by the ME3 ending and all felt like complaining to Bioware about it. You know seven brand new players who have already finished the trilogy? How do people play so fast? I do have an eighth. He thinks that only ME1 was good and that ME3, so far, is on par with ME2 and thinks the ending debacle was probably overblown. He's currently doing Tuchanka. Do I have the heart to tell him it's all downhill from there? I played ME late, and I think the ending debacle is overblown, too. The ending could have been better, and I had John P's Alternative Happy Ending Mod installed after the first playthrough, but with Extended Cut it isn't that horrible. I kind of hope she gets to play it off camera. It's too easy to miss, or fail to retain, key info and details while worrying about a stream. Yeah, for sure. However, I hope she's recording whenever she finds her first thresher maw Some people really just skim a game and pass a snap judgment on it. They go in shopping for something negative to say about it, play only until they hit the first bug, and then rush to the internet to post their review of it. Sign of the times... that's one reason why you're seeing so many games with wildly disparate ratings between the reviews from critics and user reviews... and not just with Bioware games. I'm also convinced that's why the industry is leaning towards the mobile game "sound bites."
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 26, 2021 10:08:59 GMT
Some people really just skim a game and pass a snap judgment on it. They go in shopping for something negative to say about it, play only until they hit the first bug, and then rush to the internet to post their review of it. Sign of the times... that's one reason why you're seeing so many games with wildly disparate ratings between the reviews from critics and user reviews... and not just with Bioware games. I'm also convinced that's why the industry is leaning towards the mobile game "sound bites." The people I talked to liked the games, and experienced various degrees of enjoyment concerning ME3, from a lot to little, but they all wanted to complain about the ending. I haven't talked to the eighth guy yet.
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Post by abaris on May 26, 2021 10:20:56 GMT
Most kids I've talked to find most forums too negative these days, so they avoid them altogether. Many of their favorite games are played online with friends from school... who they can't really socialize in person with right now...
You have to make a distinction there. It's not only young people playing games. Especially when it comes to RPGs, which the OT, apart from it's shooter elements, was.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 26, 2021 10:26:40 GMT
Most kids I've talked to find most forums too negative these days, so they avoid them altogether. Many of their favorite games are played online with friends from school... who they can't really socialize in person with right now...
You have to make a distinction there. It's not only young people playing games. Especially when it comes to RPGs, which the OT, apart from it's shooter elements, was.
He makes it sound like we're the "old people home". I refuse to accept that.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 10:40:08 GMT
Some people really just skim a game and pass a snap judgment on it. They go in shopping for something negative to say about it, play only until they hit the first bug, and then rush to the internet to post their review of it. Sign of the times... that's one reason why you're seeing so many games with wildly disparate ratings between the reviews from critics and user reviews... and not just with Bioware games. I'm also convinced that's why the industry is leaning towards the mobile game "sound bites." The people I talked to liked the games, and experienced various degrees of enjoyment concerning ME3, from a lot to little, but they all wanted to complain about the ending. I haven't talked to the eighth guy yet. You're the one estimating 30 hours per game and less. My ME1LE playthrough was 68 hours... and it's not a whole lot slower than my first ME1 playthrough. The "official" estimate back then, as I recall, was 50 hours. I've watch a number of streamer play... and they are, for the most part, just skimming the game. It's a sign of the times and how they've been a changing... and they'll change drastically again post-covid as our whole society is going to have to rethink how it does things... school, work, government, etc. It is what it is... shrug.
In addition, your agenda of "loving" everything negative that comes out related to Bioware has been obvious for more than a year now. Your recent "give me more, Bioware" post on another thread here openly admits that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 26, 2021 10:43:55 GMT
You're the one estimating 30 hours per game and less. My ME1LE playthrough was 68 hours... and it's not a whole lot slower than my first ME1 playthrough. The "official" estimate back then, as I recall, was 50 hours. I've watch a number of streamer play... and they are, for the most part, just skimming the game. It's a sign of the times and how they've been a changing... and they'll change drastically again post-covid as our whole society is going to have to rethink how it does things... school, work, government, etc. It is what it is... shrug.
In addition, your agenda of "loving" everything negative that comes out related to Bioware has been obvious for more than a year now. Your recent "give me more, Bioware" post on another thread here openly admits that. I don't see a relation to what I'm saying and you're also not saying anything, so I don't know what you want me to do with this.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 11:12:21 GMT
You're the one estimating 30 hours per game and less. My ME1LE playthrough was 68 hours... and it's not a whole lot slower than my first ME1 playthrough. The "official" estimate back then, as I recall, was 50 hours. I've watch a number of streamer play... and they are, for the most part, just skimming the game. It's a sign of the times and how they've been a changing... and they'll change drastically again post-covid as our whole society is going to have to rethink how it does things... school, work, government, etc. It is what it is... shrug.
In addition, your agenda of "loving" everything negative that comes out related to Bioware has been obvious for more than a year now. Your recent "give me more, Bioware" post on another thread here openly admits that. I don't see a relation to what I'm saying and you're also not saying anything, so I don't know what you want me to do with this. Again though - My initial comments were not responding to you. I was responding to dragontartare and her "wonder" at how 7 people could already be finished MELE. That's all. I'm honestly wondering what you want me to do with your insisting the I apply my general observations about "kids today" directly to you and your 7 friends or that my posts have to tell you something you don't already know. I suspect that may 100s of people have already finished MELE... Are they, though, taking the time to familiarize themselves, for example, with all the possible variations in dialogue and choices throughout the game, the innuendos buried in the "poetry" that Ashley references, and what the "world" was doing in 2008, 2010, and 2012 when these games were first made? Do we expect them to? I don't... they are a product of their times... and the world has changed, drastically.
I'm glad your friends have gotten some enjoyment out of their playthroughs. The endings are what they are. I'm not sure what Mac was hoping for there. He wasn;t very clear about it. The endings are what they are... 9 years later... water under the bridge. They obviously aren't changing and likely never will. Shrug.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 26, 2021 11:26:58 GMT
Again though - My initial comments were not responding to you. But you responded to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 12:00:35 GMT
Again though - My initial comments were not responding to you. But you responded to me. Really? The way I see it is just because she was responding to you doesn't me I was responding to you. I was responding to her comment that she made in response to you. Well, next time you cut in on a comment I make in response to another poster, I'll remember to just ignore you completely. Mods - you may want to bury this dead horse now. It's irrelevant to this thread anyways.
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Post by abaris on May 26, 2021 12:17:22 GMT
I apply my general observations about "kids today" directly to you and your 7 friends or that my posts have to tell you something you don't already know. I suspect that may 100s of people have already finished MELE... Are they, though, taking the time to familiarize themselves, for example, with all the possible variations in dialogue and choices throughout the game, the innuendos buried in the "poetry" that Ashley references, and what the "world" was doing in 2008, 2010, and 2012 when these games were first made? Do we expect them to? I don't... they are a product of their times... and the world has changed, drastically. And that's where you're wrong, in my opinion. The average player age today, according to studies, is somewhere in the mid 30ies. Kids may play these games, but I daresay, they're not the main group playing ME:LE. As you rightfully explained, they're into MP, so they can play with their friends. I was 45 when Mass Effect first came out, now I'm in my late 50ies and I still love what Mass Effect has to offer in terms of role playing and in terms of replayability. I'm pretty sure, most players are already past the kid age with these games, because kids are simply not interested in that kind of stuff. The graphics although remastered, are aged, as are the effects and the story. The shooter elements are outright antiquated, going by today's shooters. So you're talking about a group that's certainly not the target audience and never have been with Bioware's games. What's more, the Mass Effect series was rated M right from the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 12:37:51 GMT
I apply my general observations about "kids today" directly to you and your 7 friends or that my posts have to tell you something you don't already know. I suspect that may 100s of people have already finished MELE... Are they, though, taking the time to familiarize themselves, for example, with all the possible variations in dialogue and choices throughout the game, the innuendos buried in the "poetry" that Ashley references, and what the "world" was doing in 2008, 2010, and 2012 when these games were first made? Do we expect them to? I don't... they are a product of their times... and the world has changed, drastically. And that's where you're wrong, in my opinion. The average player age today, according to studies, is somewhere in the mid 30ies. Kids may play these games, but I daresay, they're not the main group playing ME:LE. As you rightfully explained, they're into MP, so they can play with their friends. I was 45 when Mass Effect first came out, now I'm in my late 50ies and I still love what Mass Effect has to offer in terms of role playing and in terms of replayability. I'm pretty sure, most players are already past the kid age with these games, because kids are simply not interested in that kind of stuff. The graphics although remastered, are aged, as are the effects and the story. The shooter elements are outright antiquated, going by today's shooters. So you're talking about a group that's certainly not the target audience and never have been with Bioware's games. What's more, the Mass Effect series was rated M right from the beginning. However, I don't think the mid-30s crowd are the "new MELE players." That crowd has played ME before... many "grew up" with it. The new players I'm seeing streaming it seem to be mostly in their late teens and early 20s. My kids' kids who are curious about what their parents thought was the big deal with this game. They still don't run to the forums for answers though... which I think is why this thread is so dead. A few have come into the general discussion thread with some questions though.
I don't know what Bioware expected. I expect that they're happy the remaster has sold enough copies to give them some profit over and above the cost of the remaster. A remake was probably too expensive by comparison and more of a risk, but I know some of the old fans were still hoping for a remake. They were always going to be disappointed by a remaster. Some have said they've come to realize how much nostalgia was clouding their vision over how antiquated the game (ME1 in particular) was... even when it was first released, it was well behind other shooters. As I mentioned on another thread, I've been playing a lot of Fallout 3 lately and I find it difficult to believe that it was released only a year after ME1. Even its shooting mechanics are antiquated, but it has certainly stood up much better than ME1.
ETA: I also don't know what the old ME players are expecting of the new ones. Maybe I'm wrong, but I expect they just won't care about the "endings" as much as we did... not enough to be going on debating them 9 years after the fact.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 15:03:51 GMT
I don't know what Bioware expected. Really, this is the $10,000,000.00 question. The big mystery. Unless this game has a significant number of new players playing it, there is no win here other than a little easy cash. If that was the actual goal, and what Bioware expected - I guess that's sensible from a business perspective. Take the easy win. From a creative standpoint, that's a pretty disappointing goal/expectation, imo. It also potentially leaves the future game in a state of un-hype.
I really was hoping for a flood of new accounts, but I think without MP it will not attract people to forums. People can get what they need about these games from the wiki or EA Help just as well as from here, with a little less wading through of the extraneous.
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Hello new players, if you have any troubleshooting issues with the PC version of the game, I am happy to help as I have experienced many issues myself over time and have been able to resolve all of them. Sometimes with assistance from users here like crashsuit. Even Brian Johnson will still help players with account issues even after all this time.
In short, we would love to talk Mass Effect with you, and I hope you loved the MELE experience and want more
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 15:42:37 GMT
I don't know what Bioware expected. Really, this is the $10,000,000.00 question. The big mystery. Unless this game has a significant number of new players playing it, there is no win here other than a little easy cash. If that was the actual goal, and what Bioware expected - I guess that's sensible from a business perspective. Take the easy win. From a creative standpoint, that's a pretty disappointing goal/expectation, imo. It also potentially leaves the future game in a state of un-hype.
I really was hoping for a flood of new accounts, but I think without MP it will not attract people to forums. People can get what they need about these games from the wiki or EA Help just as well as from here, with a little less wading through of the extraneous.
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In short, we would love to talk Mass Effect with you, and I hope you loved the MELE experience and want more Perhaps it was to just reunite their "fractured" staff through the nostalgia of reviewing their old work. They've had a rough go of it and people I've talked to around here (I'm an Albertan) were rather pessimistic about the company's survival. Some "easy cash" might have done a little bit to allow them to climb out of those "doom and gloom" feelings. Enough to get creative juices flowing again? Time will tell.
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Post by abaris on May 26, 2021 15:47:21 GMT
I really was hoping for a flood of new accounts, but I think without MP it will not attract people to forums. People can get what they need about these games from the wiki or EA Help just as well as from here, with a little less wading through of the extraneous.
These games were designed to be single player. Even ME3 started out that way and it was Riccitiello's idea to slap on MP in the last minute. From all I hear, ME:LE sold pretty well, which is a good sign, since it shows there is still a solid segment of the market into that kind of game(s). It also seems that Bioware is going back to it's roots, with the announcement of DA4 not having MP attached. Personally I'm glad over this decision, because I liked the Bioware of old with it's stories and characters and not the superficial one of late with products like ME:A or Anthem.
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