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Post by quarianmasterrace on May 18, 2021 22:35:00 GMT
The geth should be toast once they upload the reaper code. Either I stop Legion and let the quarians wipeout them or I let Legion continue and then wipeout the geth with destroy. Cause a bunch of AIs with 300 years of history killing any organic, are now suddenly all peaceful with reaper code upgrades makes all kinds of sense. When an AI admits it is a freaking reaper and then tries to convince you destroy is the worst choice....you go with the "worst choice". Destroy is the only option. Destroy fails to to solve the organic-synthetic problem. It fails to solve much of anything, really. All it does is...destroy. Again, extremely short-sighted. Shepard essentially leaves behind a landfill of toxic waste. Except it does. It's a magic anti-synthetic death ray that seems to destroy them regardless of configuration. Dumb writer(s) broke their own plot trying to hold the geth hostage just so the other stupid endings would look more appealing. Extended cut has the organics rebuilding the relays and the Citadel, ergo Crucible could be built and Red wave used again if any toasters try to get uppity. So I fail to see how it is shortsighted?
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Post by Gileadan on May 18, 2021 22:38:32 GMT
Refusal doesn't delay the solution of anything. If you carefully read between the lines in the Stargazer epilogue, it's presumed the future races didn't even use the Crucible the way it's used in the ending-- or at least in the rudimentary way that we think about it. The caveat is that next time around, the cycle had completely and utterly prepared themselves for the Reapers, to such an extent, that they aren't forced to choose what the Catalyst had previously proposed to Shepard. It's pretty simple to imagine. Shepard's cycle were too mired by time and bureaucratic shuffling to conventionally fight the Reapers in any way. The succeeding cycle, with all the knowledge and data sufficiently at their disposal, have all the the prep time in the world to come up properly with their own strategy,--n the exact way they all want to and agree to-- of stopping the Reapers without the Starchild's determining. Of course it delays the solution - an entire cycle passes, and the rest of the advanced species of the current cycle are exterminated, something that would not have happened if any of the standard endings was chosen. The following cycle in the refuse ending might have had more information at their disposal, but they can't have had much more time to prepare - scientific progress only goes so fast, it doesn't suddenly accelerate just because everyone's afraid of monstrous machines from dark space. And yet the end sequence makes it sound as if the reapers suddenly became a pushover thanks to Liara's time capsule. Somehow, the species of the next cycle must have eclipsed the reapers' power by a vast margin, in just about the time the current cycle had during the Mass Effect trilogy or maybe a little bit longer, and the reapers went from pretty much impossible to defeat to a quickly contained menace (by whatever means). Though I agree that the species of the current cycle weren't too efficient at fighting the reapers, first choosing to ignore the problem and then letting their own petty bickering get constantly in the way. It's not hard to imagine that someone did better after taking the warning seriously, yet the implied ease at which this happened makes the failure of the current cycle seem really drastic.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on May 18, 2021 22:41:38 GMT
The geth should be toast once they upload the reaper code. Either I stop Legion and let the quarians wipeout them or I let Legion continue and then wipeout the geth with destroy. Cause a bunch of AIs with 300 years of history killing any organic, are now suddenly all peaceful with reaper code upgrades makes all kinds of sense. When an AI admits it is a freaking reaper and then tries to convince you destroy is the worst choice....you go with the "worst choice". Destroy is the only option. Destroy fails to to solve the organic-synthetic problem. It fails to solve much of anything, really. All it does is...destroy. Again, extremely short-sighted. Shepard essentially leaves behind a landfill of toxic waste. EDI....SAM(Active before the events of ME3 see Cora's Novel)...humans were already on the road to developing AI that didn't turn into murderbots, and solving the supposed organic-synthetic problem. Everything the starchild tells Shepard is suspect, its a reaper. We didn't buy it when Sovereign was selling it, we didn't buy it when Harbringer was selling it, but now some reaper AI that was housed/dormant in the citadel is genuine?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 22:46:27 GMT
Sure. I too would much prefer becoming Master of the Universe, or the Great Morpheus. Nothing makes me happier than making decisions for other people against their will. it's funny because, Destroy is is the exact same thing. You're making your own selfish decision against the will of literally every sentient space-faring civilization in the galaxy. It's not exactly a galactic committee present to make the final choice. Really? My Shepard seemed to have the overwhelming support of damned-near the entire galaxy. Even the Dalatrass came around eventually... The only people actively trying to stop me were a bunch of TIMs Humanity Ego squad, because Cerberus is and always has been a terrorist organization, but that's a different argument for a different day. My intent, for three games, was to destroy the Reapers. I didn't make this a secret.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 18, 2021 22:53:44 GMT
it's funny because, Destroy is is the exact same thing. You're making your own selfish decision against the will of literally every sentient space-faring civilization in the galaxy. It's not exactly a galactic committee present to make the final choice. Really? My Shepard seemed to have the overwhelming support of damned-near the entire galaxy. Even the Dalatrass came around eventually... The only people actively trying to stop me were a bunch of TIMs Humanity Ego squad, because Cerberus is and always has been a terrorist organization, but that's a different argument for a different day. My intent, for three games, was to destroy the Reapers. I didn't make this a secret. You realize this goes both ways? If the galaxy supports Shepard in one ending, they support them in all endings. They all trust Shepard to save them from the Reapers, and all three choices do that. The only choice that doesn't is Refuse.
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2021 22:55:37 GMT
Despite all this might go for control as my new updated canon for my Shepard.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 23:03:44 GMT
The correct and only option is to just play ME3MP. But since they didn't include it then I would say, if someone felt like they HAD to play ME3 I would honestly tell them to stop after beating the Cerberus base where you fight Kai Lang and just do the Citadel DLC. I don't think you can do the Citadel DLC once you start the Cerberus base mission, because it immediately locks you into Priority Earth until you finish the game then it resets it right back to before the Cerberus base mission so you can complete any unfinished content. if that is indeed the case then stop playing before that mission
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Post by mikaelnovasun on May 18, 2021 23:13:30 GMT
Really? My Shepard seemed to have the overwhelming support of damned-near the entire galaxy. Even the Dalatrass came around eventually... The only people actively trying to stop me were a bunch of TIMs Humanity Ego squad, because Cerberus is and always has been a terrorist organization, but that's a different argument for a different day. My intent, for three games, was to destroy the Reapers. I didn't make this a secret. You realize this goes both ways? If the galaxy supports Shepard in one ending, they support them in all endings. They all trust Shepard to save them from the Reapers, and all three choices do that. The only choice that doesn't is Refuse. That isn't the case. They support the same goal as Shepard: using the crucible to DESTROY the reapers. They did not join up with Shepard and agree to some unstated choice that is solely left to Shepard.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 23:26:28 GMT
Really? My Shepard seemed to have the overwhelming support of damned-near the entire galaxy. Even the Dalatrass came around eventually... The only people actively trying to stop me were a bunch of TIMs Humanity Ego squad, because Cerberus is and always has been a terrorist organization, but that's a different argument for a different day. My intent, for three games, was to destroy the Reapers. I didn't make this a secret. You realize this goes both ways? If the galaxy supports Shepard in one ending, they support them in all endings. They all trust Shepard to save them from the Reapers, and all three choices do that. The only choice that doesn't is Refuse. DING DING DING! I do recognize this. I made a choice to Destroy an entire race of creatures I had grown to love, arbitrated a truce with their creators that seemed unlikely at best just to finally wipe them out because I have to make a very hard choice. Oh and my friend Legion sacrificed himself to the Geth, for nothing. It still hurts, I hate it. Joker will never speak to me again... I may never speak to myself again frankly. I had to kill EDI, who was my friend and trusted me. I had to kill that AI race that you are concerned with (I didn't know about them, it doesn't make me happier with my choice). I didn't want any of them to die, and if I could have given them something of myself so that they could survive, my Shepard was ready and willing. I chose to destroy. People will be mad, I made a choice, for them, to kill Geth EDI and a race of AI or two in some hidden corners of the galaxy. They had no choice in this decision. I did not choose to be the Overlord, that at a Renegade whim (I did make Renegade decisions as a Paragade) I might decide to wipe out a planet because they made fun of the Shepard VI. People can choose their own God, but Shepard will mash the Renegade override anytime lol. I did not choose to synthesize all organic life, invading their bodies and minds with whatever "Synthesis" entails. I believe you, like many people, seriously underestimate the implications of Synthesis. It is more than Geth working inside my Quarian's Soup, making it more cozy and aromatic - it is Quarth, or Gerian, but not Geth or Quarian. Anyways, your turn
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2021 23:31:27 GMT
Another thing that I noted about Eden Prime that is worth mentioning on the touted 'atmosphere' front is that while the Red Sky is obviously gone I did notice the environment does get significantly worse throughout your time on the planet. Especially I think after Soverign picks up sticks and jetisons itself into the cosmos on that plume of fire and smoke I think is the big event but things go from sunny, bright, and clear, to dusty and...I mean cloudy is obviously the wrong word but visibility crashes. I also think that this is when the ash drifting down from the sky gets a lot thicker from there on out.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on May 19, 2021 0:16:15 GMT
I don't think you can do the Citadel DLC once you start the Cerberus base mission, because it immediately locks you into Priority Earth until you finish the game then it resets it right back to before the Cerberus base mission so you can complete any unfinished content. if that is indeed the case then stop playing before that mission Nah you have to go to Cronos, if only to finally kill the plot armor discount Phantom boi. That mission is actually alright. They clearly ran out of money making it though, and the game looks and sounds like a pre alpha indie thing once you get to Earth.
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Post by themikefest on May 19, 2021 0:19:32 GMT
You realize this goes both ways? If the galaxy supports Shepard in one ending, they support them in all endings. They all trust Shepard to save them from the Reapers, and all three choices do that. The only choice that doesn't is Refuse. Yes they support Shepard, but they also don't expect Shepard to be dumb enough to force their dna to be changed or become thing part 2
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2021 1:20:57 GMT
You realize this goes both ways? If the galaxy supports Shepard in one ending, they support them in all endings. They all trust Shepard to save them from the Reapers, and all three choices do that. The only choice that doesn't is Refuse. That isn't the case. They support the same goal as Shepard: using the crucible to DESTROY the reapers. They did not join up with Shepard and agree to some unstated choice that is solely left to Shepard. The goal is to stop the Reapers. Destroy is certainly a way to do that, but so are the other two. Some will complain in all three choices, but most will be completely fine with it in all three as well. You realize this goes both ways? If the galaxy supports Shepard in one ending, they support them in all endings. They all trust Shepard to save them from the Reapers, and all three choices do that. The only choice that doesn't is Refuse. DING DING DING! I do recognize this. I made a choice to Destroy an entire race of creatures I had grown to love, arbitrated a truce with their creators that seemed unlikely at best just to finally wipe them out because I have to make a very hard choice. Oh and my friend Legion sacrificed himself to the Geth, for nothing. It still hurts, I hate it. Joker will never speak to me again... I may never speak to myself again frankly. I had to kill EDI, who was my friend and trusted me. I had to kill that AI race that you are concerned with (I didn't know about them, it doesn't make me happier with my choice). I didn't want any of them to die, and if I could have given them something of myself so that they could survive, my Shepard was ready and willing. I chose to destroy. People will be mad, I made a choice, for them, to kill Geth EDI and a race of AI or two in some hidden corners of the galaxy. They had no choice in this decision. I did not choose to be the Overlord, that at a Renegade whim (I did make Renegade decisions as a Paragade) I might decide to wipe out a planet because they made fun of the Shepard VI. People can choose their own God, but Shepard will mash the Renegade override anytime lol. I did not choose to synthesize all organic life, invading their bodies and minds with whatever "Synthesis" entails. I believe you, like many people, seriously underestimate the implications of Synthesis. It is more than Geth working inside my Quarian's Soup, making it more cozy and aromatic - it is Quarth, or Gerian, but not Geth or Quarian. Anyways, your turn Hey at least you acknowledge that. I've had people argue for double standards, so it's nice when someone doesn't. I disagree on the last bit though, and there is no underestimating since I'm going with what Bioware showed and told us.
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2021 1:51:42 GMT
You realize this goes both ways? If the galaxy supports Shepard in one ending, they support them in all endings. They all trust Shepard to save them from the Reapers, and all three choices do that. The only choice that doesn't is Refuse. Yes they support Shepard, but they also don't expect Shepard to be dumb enough to force their dna to be changed or become thing part 2 'thing pt.2' cracks me up.
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Post by themikefest on May 19, 2021 2:08:46 GMT
Yes they support Shepard, but they also don't expect Shepard to be dumb enough to force their dna to be changed or become thing part 2 'thing pt.2' cracks me up. That's what the former human named Shepard ends up being, if controlling the reapers. And like thing part 1, has no restrictions/shackles. So it could decide that thing part 1 was right by starting the harvest again.
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Post by ahglock on May 19, 2021 3:14:51 GMT
The geth should be toast once they upload the reaper code. Either I stop Legion and let the quarians wipeout them or I let Legion continue and then wipeout the geth with destroy. Cause a bunch of AIs with 300 years of history killing any organic, are now suddenly all peaceful with reaper code upgrades makes all kinds of sense. When an AI admits it is a freaking reaper and then tries to convince you destroy is the worst choice....you go with the "worst choice". Destroy is the only option. Destroy fails to to solve the organic-synthetic problem. It fails to solve much of anything, really. All it does is...destroy. Again, extremely short-sighted. Shepard essentially leaves behind a landfill of toxic waste. I am sorry that you can't figure it out. You are clearly just too smart for the rest of us.
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Post by General Mahad on May 19, 2021 4:40:29 GMT
Not mine but this take is extra spicy: Mass Effect’s revival reminds us it’s time to abolish the space police
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2021 4:45:55 GMT
I can only take so much of this in a day.
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Post by The Elder King on May 19, 2021 5:05:33 GMT
Not mine but this take is extra spicy: Mass Effect’s revival reminds us it’s time to abolish the space police
Putting aside the article overall stand in general, I don’t think it’s as easy as they make it sounds. The protagonist can be different, and have a different role then an ‘enforcer’ (which you generally didn’t in the OT, actually, if not for the endings of ME and ME3. One was basically retconetted, and the other ended up problematic), as it did happen with Andromeda, but it’s still difficult to handle the issue of a centralizing PC in an RPG, as Ryder was also, basically, ‘in charge’ even if he didn’t have nearly the galactic-wide power Shepard had in the final decision.
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Post by General Mahad on May 19, 2021 5:10:56 GMT
I can only take so much of this in a day. I'm pretty sure the author is either indoctrinated or a Reaper. No other logical explanation exists for this madness.
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Post by andydandymandy on May 19, 2021 5:41:33 GMT
Not mine but this take is extra spicy: Mass Effect’s revival reminds us it’s time to abolish the space police
So this person wants a Mass Effect game where you can't do anything. Great!
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Post by General Mahad on May 19, 2021 5:41:37 GMT
Not mine but this take is extra spicy: Mass Effect’s revival reminds us it’s time to abolish the space police
Putting aside the article overall stand in general, I don’t think it’s as easy as they make it sounds. The protagonist can be different, and have a different role then an ‘enforcer’ (which you generally didn’t in the OT, actually, if not for the endings of ME and ME3. One was basically retconetted, and the other ended up problematic), as it did happen with Andromeda, but it’s still difficult to handle the issue of a centralizing PC in an RPG, as Ryder was also, basically, ‘in charge’ even if he didn’t have nearly the galactic-wide power Shepard had in the final decision. Yep and BioWare has the chosen one archetype baked into its DNA and chosen ones are enforcers of their will onto the world.
The author is obviously speaking from the lens of the current American cultural zeitgeist, in 15 years he would have been writing articles on how Geth are offensive to the first generation of mass produced bipedal AIs and Mass Effect is robophobic or caused an entire generation to hate robots.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 19, 2021 6:15:24 GMT
Destroy is easily the most short-sighted ending and I heavily question anyone's intelligence if they still believe it to be the "true" and "logical" ending. This is if you take the overly simplistic approach that the ending sets up for us. As a whole, the endings are total nonsense. Just think of all the messy details and implications inherent with each choice, like where do all the reaper zombie monsters go, or how would the galaxy even react to a continued, “friendly” reaper presence? Just imagine the rash of terrorist attacks from people who oppose anyone who welcome these reapers, or even outright assaults on any active reapers themselves for years to come, generations even. I guess it’s just full-frontal lobotomies for everyone, because they just accept it like good children, or perhaps the indoctrination effect was replaced by radiation that causes everyone to feel love. Each choice is just “it solves this particular problem” with little regard for how it’s even facilitated. Synthesis just works because the hologram says so, and we should just shut up and not think about it any deeper than that. At the very least, Destroy purges the peskiest elements of the setting, being the reapers and their various thralls. There’s no nagging questions about where they went or what they’re doing, because they’re just dead and leave no clutter beyond the occasional derelict. The synthetic vs organic “problem” isn’t even something that needs to be established as an absolute law of the setting either, especially since befriending them has already been established as being perfectly feasible without having to be augmented.
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Post by Vortex13 on May 19, 2021 16:02:17 GMT
Quick take on one relatively minor point I have during my trilogy playthrough:
The Rachni are not only better suited to fighting the Reapers militarily as well as logistically, but they are a wholly more trustworthy and reliable ally than the Krogan are; especially with Wrex in charge.
If I could make the choice, I would have sided with the Rachni queen and her broods as ground forces over the Krogan any day. Though the option to recruit both; by shouting down Wrex, and his idiotic plan of putting the whole Reaper war on hold so the galaxy can play doctor scheme, by saying you are going with the ally who actually keeps her promises; would be immensely satisfying too.
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