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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2021 23:21:02 GMT
I will say probably that is another thing that really did pigeonhole them in the beginning, they shouldn't have given themselves so many constraints, IE mainly trying to make a trilogy at the outset. Another thing DA just does better they are giving themselves enough room to make the games that they want to make without worrying about fitting it into x games, and yes I agree with it, especially how it worked out 3 could have easily been 2 games...or 1 modern game like Andromeda I suppose.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 27, 2021 23:22:33 GMT
Mass Effect 1 does a good job story wise. The purpose so to expose the player to the threat and it does a fantastic job. Mass Effect 2 should have been gathering resources for the coming reaper invasion. Rannoch and Tuchanka should have been in Mass Effect 2, that should have been the whole point of the second game, making alliances and forging races together to take on the reapers. Not necessarily Rannoch and Tuchanka, but yes, having the game focusing on building the alliances and resouces to fight the Reapers, before they arrive, and then focusing fully on the war in the third game, without needing to divide the plot in the alliance gathering, would've been better. I don't agree. What proof does Shepard or anyone else have that the reapers are headed towards the Milky Way? What answer will Shepard give each species when asked that question? Even if the species were to believe Shepard, how long would it take for each species to gather the resources needed to face the reapers? They don't know how many there are or when they will show up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 23:26:53 GMT
Not necessarily Rannoch and Tuchanka, but yes, having the game focusing on building the alliances and resouces to fight the Reapers, before they arrive, and then focusing fully on the war in the third game, without needing to divide the plot in the alliance gathering, would've been better. I don't agree. What proof does Shepard or anyone else have that the reapers are headed towards the Milky Way? What answer will Shepard give each species when asked that question? Even if the species were to believe Shepard, how long would it take for each species to gather the resources needed to face the reapers? They don't know how many there are or when they will show up. This is a problem that is fixable by not making the reapers dismissed in the second game. Have everyone believe that sovereign was a reaper and the council is trying to help shepard with his mission of gathering resources. You can then have stories or missions where certain people or factions still don’t believe in them. Or that they are using the panic to further there own selfish gains.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 27, 2021 23:27:46 GMT
Not necessarily Rannoch and Tuchanka, but yes, having the game focusing on building the alliances and resouces to fight the Reapers, before they arrive, and then focusing fully on the war in the third game, without needing to divide the plot in the alliance gathering, would've been better. I don't agree. What proof does Shepard or anyone else have that the reapers are headed towards the Milky Way? What answer will Shepard give each species when asked that question? Even if the species were to believe Shepard, how long would it take for each species to gather the resources needed to face the reapers? They don't know how many there are or when they will show up. I meant that it'd be better for splitting the Reapers War into two games. If ME2 would introduce this plot it'd obviously require some plot reasonign to justify focusing on alliances and gathering resources.
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Post by mtheillusive on Apr 27, 2021 23:43:41 GMT
1) From a plot, gameplay and financial perspective, Mass Effect 3 should have been more than one game. It would have been more fleshed out if they extended the Reaper war, and could have easily added more side story games inbetween the primary entries that dealt with the Reaper War. And from a gameplay perspective, imo 3 was when the classes were really being more fleshed out. The amount of things you could do and different styles you could mix up with each class in single player was amazing. And with multiplayer adding more to the lore, with things like the other, newer N7 class fighting styles, Turian Armiger Legion, etc., it could have been sooooo much fun. HUGE missed oppurtunity imo 2) I rather have Okeer than Grunt. Other than a few laughs he sucks 3) Garrus is cool. He is also overrated as hell 4) FemShep fans are bullies to those who don't agree to make her the one and only. You never hear Meer fans saying BroShep should be the one and only... Yea I said it! 5) THERE IS NO CANON SHEPARD!!!!!!!!!! 6) SHepard is Hale's best acting role imo. Or at least most significant and the one I will always remember her for first 7) I like Mass Effect 3 And 2 And 1 And even Andromeda depending on how I play it 8) Too many fans are obsessed with romance in these games. Its kinda creepy. WTF is a Liaramancer? (and this is coming from someone who usually has Shepard romance Liara ). Its like many fans plays less for the plot and gameplay and more for who they will bang in bed. Bioware noticed this...and thus Andromeda was born...
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2021 23:53:04 GMT
1) From a plot, gameplay and financial perspective, Mass Effect 3 should have been more than one game. It would have been more fleshed out if they extended the Reaper war, and could have easily added more side story games inbetween the primary entries that dealt with the Reaper War. And from a gameplay perspective, imo 3 was when the classes were really being more fleshed out. The amount of things you could do and different styles you could mix up with each class in single player was amazing. And with multiplayer adding more to the lore, with things like the other, newer N7 class fighting styles, Turian Armiger Legion, etc., it could have been sooooo much fun. HUGE missed oppurtunity imo 2) I rather have Okeer than Grunt. Other than a few laughs he sucks 3) Garrus is cool. He is also overrated as hell 4) FemShep fans are bullies to those who don't agree to make her the one and only. You never hear Meer fans saying BroShep should be the one and only... Yea I said it! 5) THERE IS NO CANON SHEPARD!!!!!!!!!! 6) SHepard is Hale's best acting role imo. Or at least most significant and the one I will always remember her for first 7) I like Mass Effect 3 And 2 And 1 And even Andromeda depending on how I play it 8) Too many fans are obsessed with romance in these games. Its kinda creepy. WTF is a Liaramancer? (and this is coming from someone who usually has Shepard romance Liara ) To be clear I don't actually want to jetison Male Shep and I agree on Jen Hale.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Apr 28, 2021 0:48:58 GMT
Shepard should have been the protagonist for only Mass Effect 1. Mass Effect 2 should have starred a new protagonist.
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Post by Blast Processor on Apr 28, 2021 2:12:07 GMT
Renegade Shepard is the greatest 80's action hero to have ever lived! Way better than Dutch! The 2180's!!!!
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 28, 2021 2:57:28 GMT
Working with Cerberus is better than being with the Alliance It should have been made that we install our own people to head more operations. Problem with Cerberus is that everything outside of the Lazarus Cell seems like a total clusterfuck. Even TIM was ruined with his reaper madness.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 28, 2021 3:01:48 GMT
Male Shep is best Shep. His voice acting is far superior for the character of Commander Shepard.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 28, 2021 3:04:31 GMT
We are a couple weeks away from the Legendary edition coming out and I just wanted to hear everyone's SPICY takes. I'll start. Tailromancers should be ashamed.
Not only is she an overrated character I never understood the fixation with wanting to romance her. Shepard is in his late 30s when he meets her. Is she even 18? Talk about your barely legal shit. It always came off as some creepy sexual predator shit to me. And this is coming from the sexual degenerate nat in the hat. Not a Talimancer but i don't really see the age issue. Isn't Tali 22 or something & shep about 29 and she isn't even romanced in ME1. She's the one several years later making the overt moves. Then i find this whole current fad for looking askance at any sort of age difference between people absolutely batshit crazy.
The weird differences in how many societies look at sex. If a woman sleeps around she is a slut, if a man does hes a player. If a man has a relationship with a young woman hes a perv, if a woman has a relationship with a young guy its go girl .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 4:07:32 GMT
Not a Talimancer but i don't really see the age issue. Isn't Tali 22 or something & shep about 29 and she isn't even romanced in ME1. She's the one several years later making the overt moves. Then i find this whole current fad for looking askance at any sort of age difference between people absolutely batshit crazy.
The weird differences in how many societies look at sex. If a woman sleeps around she is a slut, if a man does hes a player. If a man has a relationship with a young woman hes a perv, if a woman has a relationship with a young guy its go girl . Bruh if a woman sleeps around shes a slut but if a man does hes a player. Yeah no shit. It is 100x easier for a woman to have sex than a guy. A dude actually has to do work to get a woman to agree to have sex.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 28, 2021 4:11:47 GMT
The entire thing is utterly bog-standard, derivative and generic sci-fi. Andromeda, despite its faults, offered a superior core narrative.
They should wrap up the IP once and for all and try something new.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 28, 2021 4:19:44 GMT
The entire thing is utterly bog-standard, derivative and generic sci-fi. Andromeda, despite its faults, offered a superior core narrative. They should wrap up the IP once and for all and try something new. They had an opportunity for that, even though it wasn’t the ideal sendoff for the IP, with ME3. And in a way, with Andromeda, given the overall reaction to it. I figure that if NME is a utter failure, financially, they might end working on the IP, but otherwise, they’ll continue working on it.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 28, 2021 4:22:03 GMT
The entire thing is utterly bog-standard, derivative and generic sci-fi. Andromeda, despite its faults, offered a superior core narrative. They should wrap up the IP once and for all and try something new. They had an opportunity for that, even though it wasn’t the ideal sendoff for the IP, with ME3. And in a way, with Andromeda, given the overall reaction to it. I figure that if NME is a utter failure, financially, they might end working on the IP, but otherwise, they’ll continue working on it. Yeah, I know how businesses work.
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Post by andydandymandy on Apr 28, 2021 5:06:26 GMT
My hot take on Mass Effect Andromeda is that it should not have been made.
They should've stuck to their guns and made the First Contact prequel game they were originally going to make. That seems like what they wanted to do all along before "pivoting the design" to Andromeda after focus groups said they wanted a sequel instead of a prequel. Maybe they should've made what they were passionate about in the first place.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 28, 2021 5:43:57 GMT
This is still one of the best pieces of music in the series.
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Post by Guardian on Apr 28, 2021 6:05:41 GMT
Male Shep is best Shep. His voice acting is far superior for the character of Commander Shepard.
Yeah....I really hate to say this, but this is pretty much how I feel (the bolded part). There were times in the entire trilogy, I'd hear Meer say a line and then hear how Hale does it, and after hearing her do it, I'd go, "Huh...really? That's how you're going to interpret it? Okay..." Those moments kinda broke the immersion for me. The most obvious that comes to mind is in ME 3, when Wrex leaps out of the shuttle. Meer shouts a, "Wrex!" as in, "Don't do it, dumbass!", while Hale's is more chiding, like "Wrex....!", like how you might scold a child...or a dog. Jacob lines aside, however, I do feel Hale had the better performance in ME 2, but not so much in ME 1 and 3.
I like Jacob; there, I said it. He's not some....horrible, creepy guy that everyone makes him out to be. I actually found him rather down-to-earth and easy to talk to. There's someone else that deserves a slap that so many want to give to Jacob. Which leads me to my next controversial points...
Kaidan is boring and dull. And...I don't know what happened, but the VA sounded like he was so, super far away when recording his lines. I would crank up my volume to 25+ to hear him, and even then I still BARELY could hear him. This was just for him only - no one else had this issue. So....what little I could hear, I just found...meh. I have nothing against him. In fact, I hate how we have to choose him or Ash on Virmire. I'd rather not choose anyone really.
Liara in ME 1 is just....creepy and borderline stalker-ish. She turned me away with that in ME 1, then....actually grew up and I found a lot better in ME 2 and 3. If we could bring a fourth character into the field with us, she'd take that slot on my team for me. Ash's personality regressed, while Liara's improved.
I'd rather keep the look of ME 3 Ash...but give us the personality of ME 1 Ash again. Granted, this could be chalked up to just improvements in graphics, so...that might be more nitpicky than anything. Kasumi felt like wasted potential, and Zaeed....despite not letting him go after Vido, I actually liked that man. And you get Legion far too late in the game to make him worth it to use.
Morinth was a troll character. Like....you got what you deserved by going with her over Samara.
As much as I feel ME 2 was the best game of the Trilogy, what was the friggin' point of getting all those new people if they were all going to leave? I already know people are going to say, "So you could have the ME 1 people return, and it was a suicide mission so they could die!" No kidding....but as someone that always ensured to keep them alive, what was the point?
I really wanted to just tell TIM to go f**k yourself at the start of ME 2. Like, "Hey, thanks for bringing me back and all, but...yeah....you're terrorists; I'm good with not working with scum, thanks!" I hated how they made Shep sound like s/he was okay working with them one moment, and then the next, be completely against it. Let us decide how we feel about it and let us run with it. Granted, it made blowing up the base in the end and just telling him off all the more sweeter...but still! I wasn't going to hand the ship over to Jack and go "pirate", but man, did she make a lot of great sense in just taking it and not working with Cerberus. So much so that even Miranda came around to her line of thinking.
Combat was much better in ME 2 and 3. ME 1 just felt like, "I hold the trigger until I win!" sort of thing. The combat is in large part why I have so little playthroughs of the first game. That, and the Mako was just...obnoxious. The Hammerhead, however, I actually liked more.
I'm sure there's more....it's late and I can't think of any more right now during my brief spell of insomnia
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 28, 2021 6:36:27 GMT
So much hate for the Geth. Its the Quarians who piss me off in that particular fight. Renegade yelling, every time. Well, ME2 and 3 pretty much do what they can to paint the quarians in as negative a light as possible, almost to the point where it’s framing them as some kind of genocidal xenophobic faction. The part that gets glossed over quite often though is that these quarians had nothing to do with the Morning War, while a magnitude of programs within the geth consensus have probably been around since the very beginning. The quarians also faced two problems: the Council placed strict limits on where they can colonize, and their flotilla was deteriorating. In their place, I would have gladly wiped out the geth to take back the one planet neither Council or anyone in the Terminus had any jurisdiction over.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 28, 2021 7:04:51 GMT
So much hate for the Geth. Its the Quarians who piss me off in that particular fight. Renegade yelling, every time. Well, ME2 and 3 pretty much do what they can to paint the quarians in as negative a light as possible, almost to the point where it’s framing them as some kind of genocidal xenophobic faction. The part that gets glossed over quite often though is that these quarians had nothing to do with the Morning War, while a magnitude of programs within the geth consensus have probably been around since the very beginning. The quarians also faced two problems: the Council placed strict limits on where they can colonize, and their flotilla was deteriorating. In their place, I would have gladly wiped out the geth to take back the one planet neither Council or anyone in the Terminus had any jurisdiction over. I mean I suppose that is fair but they still had other options at least as far as the Geth were concerned. The Geth not deciding to genocide them right then and there was a pretty big indication that there was more to it going on then just a simple usual issue between organics and synthetics (something the ending does not take into account). And this also does not excuse the fact that they still went to war against a superior force.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 28, 2021 7:23:56 GMT
Not a Talimancer but i don't really see the age issue. Isn't Tali 22 or something & shep about 29 and she isn't even romanced in ME1. She's the one several years later making the overt moves. Then i find this whole current fad for looking askance at any sort of age difference between people absolutely batshit crazy.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 28, 2021 7:44:00 GMT
I mean I suppose that is fair but they still had other options at least as far as the Geth were concerned. The Geth literally had no need for Rannoch. Hot take: bioware had no idea how to write them in ME3 which is why they turn into generic pinnochios, which makes no sense in of itself. So the mobile platforms are now individuals? What about the servers where they actually lived?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 28, 2021 7:53:44 GMT
I mean I suppose that is fair but they still had other options at least as far as the Geth were concerned. The Geth literally had no need for Rannoch. Hot take: bioware had no idea how to write them in ME3 which is why they turn into generic pinnochios, which makes no sense in of itself. So the mobile platforms are now individuals? What about the servers where they actually lived? No, the programs are now individuals. Now they may have it where only one inhabits a platform, but it’s not like they are sealed to that platform. Likewise, servers are still like cities for them.
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Post by fredvdp on Apr 28, 2021 7:57:49 GMT
The combat in Mass Effect: Andromeda is worse than ME2 and ME3 because of the jump jets and the open environments. The ability to jump around and hover gives the player too much freedom, which makes most combat encounters trivial.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 28, 2021 8:31:00 GMT
The Geth literally had no need for Rannoch. Hot take: bioware had no idea how to write them in ME3 which is why they turn into generic pinnochios, which makes no sense in of itself. So the mobile platforms are now individuals? What about the servers where they actually lived? No, the programs are now individuals. Now they may have it where only one inhabits a platform, but it’s not like they are sealed to that platform. Likewise, servers are still like cities for them. Still makes no sense and is nowhere near as interesting as they were.
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