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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Apr 28, 2021 8:51:37 GMT
The combat in Mass Effect: Andromeda is worse than ME2 and ME3 because of the jump jets and the open environments. The ability to jump around and hover gives the player too much freedom, which makes most combat encounters trivial. For me I'd say the other way around. I hate being stuck and bound into the ground in the old games, ability to jump should've been in the first game already.. Hovering can break the cover of enemies, but also makes you vulnerable and you'll die fast without cover. So it doesnt make them trivial IMHO. Combat in the series is best in Andromeda for sure, light years ahead of previous games. Especially how smooth the movement is compared to the clunky stop-move-stop/sudden-superfast-ridicilous-move in previous games. One thing I would've liked is the jetpack having a cooldown itself too.. though all is in the balancing how they wanted to do it. May have tested and it was bad etc. I'd say combat was worst in me3mp where sp mechanics just didnt work good enough. When we ignore that (and we will) then it was in 1 or 2.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 28, 2021 10:58:41 GMT
The entire thing is utterly bog-standard, derivative and generic sci-fi. Andromeda, despite its faults, offered a superior core narrative. They should wrap up the IP once and for all and try something new. I know it’s a really small thing, but I really liked that little scene on Habitat 7 where you can approach the Kett with your hands up as a show of good faith and be all explorer-like rather than go guns blazing.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Apr 28, 2021 11:28:03 GMT
Let me get my flame retardant suit on....
While I admit Tali's and Garrus' romances have some nice emotional moments, I still don't care for them. Tali's in particular breaks established lore in the name of fan service. But in either case, there is no genetic compatibility, no future for offspring. And if not using proper protection/precaution carries a risk of anaphylactic shock for both partners. They can't eat our food since it would poison them(I bet the inverse is also true), and you expect me to believe "swapping spit" with them that is full of bacteria is somehow less of a risk. Tali in the Citadel DLC, even mentions a quarian actress who kissed her turian co-star while being juiced up on antibodies took weeks to recover and they are both Dextro. I will grant you that may be even more of a risk than hooking up with a human, salarian or asari, due to Turian bacteria possibly being able to attack the quarian immune system(or lack of), instead of a case of poisoning or severe allergic reaction.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 28, 2021 12:08:40 GMT
Let me get my flame retardant suit on.... While I admit Tali's and Garrus' romances have some nice emotional moments, I still don't care for them. Tali's in particular breaks established lore in the name of fan service. But in either case, there is no genetic compatibility, no future for offspring. And if not using proper protection/precaution carries a risk of anaphylactic shock for both partners. They can't eat our food since it would poison them(I bet the inverse is also true), and you expect me to believe "swapping spit" with them that is full of bacteria is somehow less of a risk. Tali in the Citadel DLC, even mentions a quarian actress who kissed her turian co-star while being juiced up on antibodies took weeks to recover and they are both Dextro. I will grant you that may be even more of a risk than hooking up with a human, salarian or asari, due to Turian bacteria possibly being able to attack the quarian immune system(or lack of), instead of a case of poisoning or severe allergic reaction. I don't really agree on the offspring reasoning, because a relationship doesn't have to center about that (not to mention the possibility of adoption). The part about them being dextro-based is quite true. By the way, in ME2 Aethytia did say that turian snacks/nuts could cause cramps in humans.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Apr 28, 2021 12:27:04 GMT
Let me get my flame retardant suit on.... While I admit Tali's and Garrus' romances have some nice emotional moments, I still don't care for them. Tali's in particular breaks established lore in the name of fan service. But in either case, there is no genetic compatibility, no future for offspring. And if not using proper protection/precaution carries a risk of anaphylactic shock for both partners. They can't eat our food since it would poison them(I bet the inverse is also true), and you expect me to believe "swapping spit" with them that is full of bacteria is somehow less of a risk. Tali in the Citadel DLC, even mentions a quarian actress who kissed her turian co-star while being juiced up on antibodies took weeks to recover and they are both Dextro. I will grant you that may be even more of a risk than hooking up with a human, salarian or asari, due to Turian bacteria possibly being able to attack the quarian immune system(or lack of), instead of a case of poisoning or severe allergic reaction. I don't really agree on the offspring reasoning, because a relationship doesn't have to center about that (not to mention the possibility of adoption). The part about them being dextro-based is quite true. By the way, in ME2 Aethytia did say that turian snacks/nuts could cause cramps in humans. I agree with that. But fanart of Shepard's children as human/turian or human/quarian hybrids always causes me to roll my eyes, and take as a hint to avoid any type of discussion or debate with some of the more avid Tali-mancers and Garrus fangirls/boys.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 28, 2021 12:48:11 GMT
The entire thing is utterly bog-standard, derivative and generic sci-fi. Andromeda, despite its faults, offered a superior core narrative. They should wrap up the IP once and for all and try something new. I know it’s a really small thing, but I really liked that little scene on Habitat 7 where you can approach the Kett with your hands up as a show of good faith and be all explorer-like rather than go guns blazing. I liked a lot more of it than that, most of the gripes I see about MEA on here that I consider to have any real weight are technical/graphical, which I don't really care about if I'm enjoying the plot of a game. The party members were, granted, mostly dull, but that's also how I felt about the trilogy before it. The open world made the story drag, but there was a decent enough core narrative under all of it, and it was the first time where the ending of any BioWare game reflected the decisions I made in a way that I found remotely satisfying, with the people I helped along the way showing up at the climax and surviving (or not) based on the decisions I made, and following at least some semblance of flow from action to consequence, as opposed to, say, ME2, where I basically just flicked every character's switch from "die" to "don't die".
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Post by mtheillusive on Apr 28, 2021 12:49:10 GMT
The combat in Mass Effect: Andromeda is worse than ME2 and ME3 because of the jump jets and the open environments. The ability to jump around and hover gives the player too much freedom, which makes most combat encounters trivial. I did feel the same way initially. My opinion has changed since then. I wouldn't say it's worse per say, but not a major improvement. If I take 3 and Andromeda for example, the feel of the combat is very different do to what each individual class can do vs Ryder. Playing a class just as itself in Andromeda imo wasn't as fun as 3 for most. The Soldier losses it's Adrenaline Rush, which imo really took away from the feel. Turbocharge is nice but it' not the same. Also same with the slow mo sniper shots (Infiltrator) The things I could do with the combat drone in 3 FAR outweighs the ones in Andromeda. AI Hacking, Nuff said. On the flip side, there are some positives that make Andromeda stand out. Biotics wise is EXCELLENT, while I do miss things like stasis, the overall flow of using the biotics really stand out in Andromeda, and is easily just as good as 2 and 3 at its worse. Because enemies show often show up BEFORE you enter an area/room, combined with the piercing ammo mechanics and natural thermal scope, Ryder really feels like an Infiltrator, regardless of the differences between 3 and Andromeda. You can snipe entire squads from 2 rooms away, have perfect tactical reconnaissance, etc. If you get the augment that resets power cooldowns after every kill, it Ryder REALLY stands out then. And for the soldier (or any class really), combine that with high shields and health, recharge shields after every kill, use your health to have guns with unlimited ammo, a jetpack and any automatic gun with sticky grenades....Ryder is a MONSTER. Is still miss Adrenaline Rush, but it's satisfying enough. Andromeda is a game where you really have to deeply explore the mechanics to get the most out of its gameplay. Also, another hot take: Andromeda is way better if you save most of the side/loyalty missions for AFTER the main game.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 28, 2021 14:29:06 GMT
Well, ME2 and 3 pretty much do what they can to paint the quarians in as negative a light as possible, almost to the point where it’s framing them as some kind of genocidal xenophobic faction. The part that gets glossed over quite often though is that these quarians had nothing to do with the Morning War, while a magnitude of programs within the geth consensus have probably been around since the very beginning. The quarians also faced two problems: the Council placed strict limits on where they can colonize, and their flotilla was deteriorating. In their place, I would have gladly wiped out the geth to take back the one planet neither Council or anyone in the Terminus had any jurisdiction over. I mean I suppose that is fair but they still had other options at least as far as the Geth were concerned. The Geth not deciding to genocide them right then and there was a pretty big indication that there was more to it going on then just a simple usual issue between organics and synthetics (something the ending does not take into account). And this also does not excuse the fact that they still went to war against a superior force. Very few practical uses of term genocide don't include reducing a population to 1%. And they expressly state in ME3 their concern with wiping them out was not moralistic but a concern of the consequences. If I punch you I am in the wrong but if your response is to kill me, kill my family, friends, my dog, my teachers, the barista who gave me coffee two days ago, but then hold back from killing the employees at the bar I frequent because that would be a step too far, you are the bad guy and don't really get a round of applause for your restraint.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 28, 2021 14:32:23 GMT
Let me get my flame retardant suit on.... While I admit Tali's and Garrus' romances have some nice emotional moments, I still don't care for them. Tali's in particular breaks established lore in the name of fan service. But in either case, there is no genetic compatibility, no future for offspring. And if not using proper protection/precaution carries a risk of anaphylactic shock for both partners. They can't eat our food since it would poison them(I bet the inverse is also true), and you expect me to believe "swapping spit" with them that is full of bacteria is somehow less of a risk. Tali in the Citadel DLC, even mentions a quarian actress who kissed her turian co-star while being juiced up on antibodies took weeks to recover and they are both Dextro. I will grant you that may be even more of a risk than hooking up with a human, salarian or asari, due to Turian bacteria possibly being able to attack the quarian immune system(or lack of), instead of a case of poisoning or severe allergic reaction. I personally didn't like it as they just seemed a really terrible match personality wise. It was put them together, because.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 28, 2021 14:48:31 GMT
The combat in Mass Effect: Andromeda is worse than ME2 and ME3 because of the jump jets and the open environments. The ability to jump around and hover gives the player too much freedom, which makes most combat encounters trivial. I did feel the same way initially. My opinion has changed since then. I wouldn't say it's worse per say, but not a major improvement. If I take 3 and Andromeda for example, the feel of the combat is very different do to what each individual class can do vs Ryder. Playing a class just as itself in Andromeda imo wasn't as fun as 3 for most. The Soldier losses it's Adrenaline Rush, which imo really took away from the feel. Turbocharge is nice but it' not the same. Also same with the slow mo sniper shots (Infiltrator) The things I could do with the combat drone in 3 FAR outweighs the ones in Andromeda. AI Hacking, Nuff said. On the flip side, there are some positives that make Andromeda stand out. Biotics wise is EXCELLENT, while I do miss things like stasis, the overall flow of using the biotics really stand out in Andromeda, and is easily just as good as 2 and 3 at its worse. Because enemies show often show up BEFORE you enter an area/room, combined with the piercing ammo mechanics and natural thermal scope, Ryder really feels like an Infiltrator, regardless of the differences between 3 and Andromeda. You can snipe entire squads from 2 rooms away, have perfect tactical reconnaissance, etc. If you get the augment that resets power cooldowns after every kill, it Ryder REALLY stands out then. And for the soldier (or any class really), combine that with high shields and health, recharge shields after every kill, use your health to have guns with unlimited ammo, a jetpack and any automatic gun with sticky grenades....Ryder is a MONSTER. Is still miss Adrenaline Rush, but it's satisfying enough. Andromeda is a game where you really have to deeply explore the mechanics to get the most out of its gameplay. I'll disagree with most of the positive Andromeda stuff. IMO ME2/3 did biotics far better. With the one exception being singularity in ME3 being worse, though it was fine in MP. A part of this had to do with the open world design and enemies taking no fall damage. Enemies landing a mile a way is not fun game play. Also the general design of how combos worked in MEA was worse than in ME3. You had access to a lot of powers sure but with the system it really leads to just using 3 powers on repeat.
The augment is a good example for me of a section that did not work. I like in theory the idea of augments and mods for weapons etc. But it was poorly implemented in MEA where I felt I had to intentionally make bad choices to keep any challenge in far too many points of the game. Instant cool-down on a kill is just not fun, as you always have access to your powers. It was even worse than 200% cool down reduction in ME3 which I felt went too far for most powers. Far too many weapon mods/augments just made the game too easy. ME2 I just avoid the mattock and I'm good. ME3 was too easy as well, but I felt I had to make less in universe bad choices to keep some kind of challenge. A toolbox can be great in a game. But it shouldn't feel like I have to work to get it balanced.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 28, 2021 15:05:20 GMT
The combat in Mass Effect: Andromeda is worse than ME2 and ME3 because of the jump jets and the open environments. The ability to jump around and hover gives the player too much freedom, which makes most combat encounters trivial. I like the jetpack. What I didn't like is Ryder is turned into mario jumping from platform to platform. The combat wasn't bad. What bothered me is no power wheel and not having control over squadmate actions. Because of that, I take the trilogy combat over MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 15:51:43 GMT
The alliance are a bunch of bitches. Cerberus is the only group that has human interest in mind. The only thing holding Cerberus back was the Illusive man being indoctrinated. The man was a genius. Lol. Reminds me of the Hitler was misunderstood joke. Except TIM was much more the Mengele sort. Combat in the series is best in Andromeda for sure, light years ahead of previous games. Especially how smooth the movement is compared to the clunky stop-move-stop/sudden-superfast-ridicilous-move in previous games. One thing I would've liked is the jetpack having a cooldown itself too.. though all is in the balancing how they wanted to do it. May have tested and it was bad etc. I'd say combat was worst in me3mp where sp mechanics just didnt work good enough. When we ignore that (and we will) then it was in 1 or 2. 1. No. Absolutely not. 2. Huh? 3. Sounds reasonable. 4. Testing?!? LMFAO 5. ??? The inner Vorcha Interior Designer in me wants to help you redecorate, with FIRE GRAAAAGH!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 16:19:50 GMT
Most squadmates of ME3 should've been temporary ones. But all squadmates playable throughout the trilogy should've been companions in their particular missions.
Garrus is needed with the Turians, Tali with the Quarians, Ash/ Kaidan are Spectres, needed for various missions. T'Soni is the freaking Shadow Broker!
Miranda should've been in the Normandy after her mission.
Kal Reegar shoud've been one of the temporary squadmates on the Rannoch missions, and, if alive, been present on Priority: Earth.
ME3MP is the only part of the game that really shines.
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Post by 10k on Apr 28, 2021 17:51:21 GMT
The alliance are a bunch of bitches. Cerberus is the only group that has human interest in mind. The only thing holding Cerberus back was the Illusive man being indoctrinated. The man was a genius. Lol. Reminds me of the Hitler was misunderstood joke. Except TIM was much more the Mengele sort. It's funny how in today's world people love throwing around the Hitler comparison so easily. Hitler literally sectioned a mass genocide of people because of their "different race," where in fact that idiot, and every other idiot on this planet fail to comprehend that we all are of the same race. The human race. Whereas the illusive man has never considered a genocide of any race, and has also worked with other races. If you have read his arc in ME: Evolution. You would understand him and his dislike of aliens. He protected human colonist from turians during the invasion of Shanxi, He watched Saren and the turians house and use reaper tech, and watched all his friends die from the tech the turians were housing (the same tech that played a role in his indoctrination). The turans, just like the asari have been hiding advance technology from the protheans, or in the turians case the reapers, to further their own goals. But no one bats an eye when the asari government, or the turain military try to advance their own races. If anyone is to be compared to Hitler it should be the salarians, and turians with their involvement with the genophage. Instead of actual representation, the humans have the alliance who have done nothing for humanity, but kowtow to the council and pick up whatever crumbs the aliens throw their way. Cerberus and the Illusive man were the only competent parties to realize the reaper threat was real and took that treat seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 19:59:48 GMT
Lol. Reminds me of the Hitler was misunderstood joke. Except TIM was much more the Mengele sort. It's funny how in today's world people love throwing around the Hitler comparison so easily. Hitler literally sectioned a mass genocide of people because of their "different race," where in fact that idiot, and every other idiot on this planet fail to comprehend that we all are of the same race. The human race. Whereas the illusive man has never considered a genocide of any race, and has also worked with other races. If you have read his arc in ME: Evolution. You would understand him and his dislike of aliens. He protected human colonist from turians during the invasion of Shanxi, He watched Saren and the turians house and use reaper tech, and watched all his friends die from the tech the turians were housing (the same tech that played a role in his indoctrination). The turans, just like the asari have been hiding advance technology from the protheans, or in the turians case the reapers, to further their own goals. But no one bats an eye when the asari government, or the turain military try to advance their own races. If anyone is to be compared to Hitler it should be the salarians, and turians with their involvement with the genophage. Instead of actual representation, the humans have the alliance who have done nothing for humanity, but kowtow to the council and pick up whatever crumbs the aliens throw their way. Cerberus and the Illusive man were the only competent parties to realize the reaper threat was real and took that treat seriously. He was just trying to make humanity great again....
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Post by Upggrade on Apr 28, 2021 21:11:34 GMT
I agree that Tali and Garrus are overrated but I don't think it's that creepy for thirty something Shepard to be interested in 18ish Tali. I recall it mentioned somewhere that the average human lifespan is 120ish and we don't know for Quarians, a twelve year difference is nothing. Also agree on Ashley and the elevators, I'd take elevators over planet scanning every time.
I'm on the Geth side, even if they were genocidal murder machines. Why would you try to make peace with people who didn't just go to war with you but tried to exterminate you? I'd exterminate them right back.
And as long as the Wraith is an option, I'll never use the Claymore.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Apr 28, 2021 21:26:39 GMT
I agree that Tali and Garrus are overrated but I don't think it's that creepy for thirty something Shepard to be interested in 18ish Tali. I recall it mentioned somewhere that the average human lifespan is 120ish and we don't know for Quarians, a twelve year difference is nothing. Also agree on Ashley and the elevators, I'd take elevators over planet scanning every time. I'm on the Geth side, even if they were genocidal murder machines. Why would you try to make peace with people who didn't just go to war with you but tried to exterminate you? I'd exterminate them right back. And as long as the Wraith is an option, I'll never use the Claymore. I leave the attempt kill Shepard and Tali at the feet of one specific quarian admiral. I just wish we could do more than punch the bastard. The geth have a 300 year history of killing any organic they encountered before the heretics even split from the consensus and joined Sovereign. I guess it is a testament of sorts to ME3’s writing that so many seem to forget or overlook that.
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It's funny how in today's world people love throwing around the Hitler comparison so easily. Hitler literally sectioned a mass genocide of people because of their "different race," where in fact that idiot, and every other idiot on this planet fail to comprehend that we all are of the same race. The human race. Whereas the illusive man has never considered a genocide of any race, and has also worked with other races. If you have read his arc in ME: Evolution. You would understand him and his dislike of aliens. He protected human colonist from turians during the invasion of Shanxi, He watched Saren and the turians house and use reaper tech, and watched all his friends die from the tech the turians were housing (the same tech that played a role in his indoctrination). The turans, just like the asari have been hiding advance technology from the protheans, or in the turians case the reapers, to further their own goals. But no one bats an eye when the asari government, or the turain military try to advance their own races. If anyone is to be compared to Hitler it should be the salarians, and turians with their involvement with the genophage. Instead of actual representation, the humans have the alliance who have done nothing for humanity, but kowtow to the council and pick up whatever crumbs the aliens throw their way. Cerberus and the Illusive man were the only competent parties to realize the reaper threat was real and took that treat seriously. He was just trying to make humanity great again.... Then they burn Space-Portland and Space-Minneapolis and turn Space-California into dung-needle-central. Impressive PR, but terrible results. XD
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 22:10:59 GMT
He was just trying to make humanity great again.... Then they burn Space-Portland and Space-Minneapolis and turn Space-California into dung-needle-central. Impressive PR, but terrible results. XD The burning in Space Portland is just an idea, not an actually organization, Space Minneapolis gets what they deserve and Space California has been a dumpster fire for decades.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 22:29:25 GMT
Lol. Reminds me of the Hitler was misunderstood joke. Except TIM was much more the Mengele sort. It's funny how in today's world people love throwing around the Hitler comparison so easily. Hitler literally sectioned a mass genocide of people because of their "different race," where in fact that idiot, and every other idiot on this planet fail to comprehend that we all are of the same race. The human race. Whereas the illusive man has never considered a genocide of any race, and has also worked with other races. If you have read his arc in ME: Evolution. You would understand him and his dislike of aliens. He protected human colonist from turians during the invasion of Shanxi, He watched Saren and the turians house and use reaper tech, and watched all his friends die from the tech the turians were housing (the same tech that played a role in his indoctrination). The turans, just like the asari have been hiding advance technology from the protheans, or in the turians case the reapers, to further their own goals. But no one bats an eye when the asari government, or the turain military try to advance their own races. If anyone is to be compared to Hitler it should be the salarians, and turians with their involvement with the genophage. Instead of actual representation, the humans have the alliance who have done nothing for humanity, but kowtow to the council and pick up whatever crumbs the aliens throw their way. Cerberus and the Illusive man were the only competent parties to realize the reaper threat was real and took that treat seriously. We disagree, and I had a hunch you would come at me with the "show me on the doll where Hitler hurt you" response. I meant the Mengele part, and you completely ignored it. I wonder why? I usually disagree with an "ends justify the means" argument, and that is really all you have with Cerberus. Sugar-coat TIM all you want, he was fine experimenting on human subjects, and many of them not aware or at all willing. The dude is despicable in my opinion, and I would have found and wasted him the instant he set me up on the Collector ship. Dropped everything, stopped giving a fuck about the Reapers until I had put my omni-blade through his skull. Then the Omega relay, with or without the Cheerleader or Jacob. They can try the airlock if they don't like my leadership. People are people, and discussion of race in a competitive sense is always problematic. Turians are people too.
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Post by 10k on Apr 28, 2021 22:50:51 GMT
It's funny how in today's world people love throwing around the Hitler comparison so easily. Hitler literally sectioned a mass genocide of people because of their "different race," where in fact that idiot, and every other idiot on this planet fail to comprehend that we all are of the same race. The human race. Whereas the illusive man has never considered a genocide of any race, and has also worked with other races. If you have read his arc in ME: Evolution. You would understand him and his dislike of aliens. He protected human colonist from turians during the invasion of Shanxi, He watched Saren and the turians house and use reaper tech, and watched all his friends die from the tech the turians were housing (the same tech that played a role in his indoctrination). The turans, just like the asari have been hiding advance technology from the protheans, or in the turians case the reapers, to further their own goals. But no one bats an eye when the asari government, or the turain military try to advance their own races. If anyone is to be compared to Hitler it should be the salarians, and turians with their involvement with the genophage. Instead of actual representation, the humans have the alliance who have done nothing for humanity, but kowtow to the council and pick up whatever crumbs the aliens throw their way. Cerberus and the Illusive man were the only competent parties to realize the reaper threat was real and took that treat seriously. We disagree, and I had a hunch you would come at me with the "show me on the doll where Hitler hurt you" response. I meant the Mengele part, and you completely ignored it. I wonder why? I usually disagree with an "ends justify the means" argument, and that is really all you have with Cerberus. Sugar-coat TIM all you want, he was fine experimenting on human subjects, and many of them not aware or at all willing. The dude is despicable in my opinion, and I would have found and wasted him the instant he set me up on the Collector ship. Dropped everything, stopped giving a fuck about the Reapers until I had put my omni-blade through his skull. Then the Omega relay, with or without the Cheerleader or Jacob. They can try the airlock if they don't like my leadership. People are people, and discussion of race in a competitive sense is always problematic. Turians are people too. Firstly I ignored the Mengele part, because I have no idea who that is, and will not pretend like I do. Secondly you can dislike TIM as much as you like. But the facts are the other species have done the same, if not worse. Thirdly turians are not people, they are of a different species. Dolphins are about as intelligent as a human, but do we say they are people? Is it because they can't speak like we do, why we don't categorize them as people? No, it's because they are a different species.
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Post by 10k on Apr 28, 2021 23:19:25 GMT
I don't wish to learn about a man who killed other people, because of insignificant differences found within the same species. Like I said other races, at least the turians and the salarians, have done the same or worse.
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