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Post by Iakus on Jul 30, 2021 19:14:16 GMT
I believe this is because the three endings in DA:O (1. self sacrifice, 2. sacrifice another or 3. the potential "deal with the devil" option) offer a range of moral stances the protagonist can take and then present them with appropriate consequences that befit your character. My noble warrior sacrificed himself and received an appropriate heroes funeral. I went out of the game with a smile. My more selfish and somewhat scheming Rogue had Allistair kill the arch demon and became king himself, my righteous ruthless dwarf had Loghain sacrifice himself for penance, my human-hating and somewhat cynical elf went with Morrigan's idea. I've done all four ending types in DAO, and didn't feel cheated in any of them. Unlike ME3, where I feel cheated by ALL of them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 30, 2021 19:48:24 GMT
Touche. Forgot to mention I was also thinking romances and other decisions like curing the genophage, saving/sacrificing the council etc. 81 different endings would still be quite the feat, and if none of those 81 made people happy then nothing would I'd wager.  Yeah, doing that then gets into the thousands. It's why I've always said it's actually some of the other choices that are more of a problem than the ending choice is when it comes to continuing in the Milky Way.
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Post by shotgunjulia on Aug 1, 2021 22:49:38 GMT
The game tells us 1) that the Protheans tried to wipe out the Rachni after they uplifted them to use as shock troops (conversation with Javik aboard the Normandy); 2) The game tells us the Krogan tried to eliminate the Rachni 3) Shepard can also try to eliminate the Rachni... Yet, in all instances, rachni appear in ME3... and even if Shepard kills the Breeder queen, ravagers still appear right through to the very end of the game. The game clearly tells you that trying to eliminate every single member of the species doesn't work.
Well, that and ultimately your choices don't matter... If ultimately your choices don't matter, as illustrated in this post, what difference does it make if they even acknowledge the pick your favorite color ending in the sequel. Just say the crucible destroyed the reapers and be done with it. They don't even have to have the mass relays destroyed. Just f*** that ending altogether. Let the geth and quarians work together to rebuild Rannoch. As it was, in March 2012 we were wondering 1) what happened? 2) how was anyone going to get home given that ships were going to travel so slowly? They'd run out of fuel and starve before they got there. Maybe the Quarians would make it because of the live ships in about a century. 3) all people wanted was to see Tali again; 4) was anyone even alive? \ So if your choices don't matter anyway, forget about all that. I say we retcon the entire ending and move on. Come on Bioware, be clever. There were Geth that weren't on Rannoch. There were Quarians that weren't on Rannoch. Rachni would be insignificant.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 1, 2021 23:41:35 GMT
Well, that and ultimately your choices don't matter... If ultimately your choices don't matter, as illustrated in this post, what difference does it make if they even acknowledge the pick your favorite color ending in the sequel. Just say the crucible destroyed the reapers and be done with it. They don't even have to have the mass relays destroyed. Just f*** that ending altogether. Let the geth and quarians work together to rebuild Rannoch. As it was, in March 2012 we were wondering 1) what happened? 2) how was anyone going to get home given that ships were going to travel so slowly? They'd run out of fuel and starve before they got there. Maybe the Quarians would make it because of the live ships in about a century. 3) all people wanted was to see Tali again; 4) was anyone even alive? \ So if your choices don't matter anyway, forget about all that. I say we retcon the entire ending and move on. Come on Bioware, be clever. There were Geth that weren't on Rannoch. There were Quarians that weren't on Rannoch. Rachni would be insignificant. Effectively, since nobody survives in the endings the Stargazer tells the resized adult male model kid, there is no way Stargazer could possibly know what happened in the Citadel and especially since the Relays were shown to be repaired, shortly after the Crucible fired, it can all be dismissed as an old man's over-dramatization. He is a completely unreliable narrator. There's no way he can know what happened and what he describes is contrary to the lore.
And the Relay/Citadel exploding thing, the symbolism is such a pea brained idea. Like the Hyperspace ramming scene in The Last Jedi. Now the Milky Way races are free of the influence of the Reapers, to go down their own paths. Yeah. Only you just condemned everyone in the Milky Way to living in hell for the rest of their existence, as well as many generations after them, as the complete collapse of the galactic supply lines would leave colonies alone and unprotected and no supplies coming in from them, to sustain their homeworlds. In addition to the problems you stated.
Why would you even use that symbolism? Why would you do that? Imagine if communist Cuba had developed, among the vaccines they've shared with the world, a cure for cancer. Then every capitalist country in the world let people die, because can't be influenced by a communist country. Sorry folks, guess you all gotta die, before we accept something from a fucking communist. Almost a decade later, I am still baffled at the reason behind the Relays/Citadel exploding. Too much of a Disney ending otherwise? Trillions lost to the fucking war, homeworlds, colonies fucking obliterated, half our friends dead, entire armies and fleets decimated, not enough consequences for Bioware. Might as well glass the entire setting, by sinking civilization to the galactic equivalent of a dark age. Fuck it. Have the entire galaxy get nuked and just let the Normandy to repopulate the Milky Way from the garden planet, why don't you? It's more merciful that way. Why even make another Mass Effect after that? How do you even come back from that? Why would you come back from that? Who would even want it?
Never fails to make me angry. Nine and a half years later. Can't be that bad, if we still talk about it, as Chris Priestley said. Let's discuss how fucking good World War 2 was, how great the Nazis were and how beneficial the Holocaust was, then, eh Chris?
Pea fucking brained.
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Post by shotgunjulia on Aug 2, 2021 0:13:02 GMT
If ultimately your choices don't matter, as illustrated in this post, what difference does it make if they even acknowledge the pick your favorite color ending in the sequel. Just say the crucible destroyed the reapers and be done with it. They don't even have to have the mass relays destroyed. Just f*** that ending altogether. Let the geth and quarians work together to rebuild Rannoch. As it was, in March 2012 we were wondering 1) what happened? 2) how was anyone going to get home given that ships were going to travel so slowly? They'd run out of fuel and starve before they got there. Maybe the Quarians would make it because of the live ships in about a century. 3) all people wanted was to see Tali again; 4) was anyone even alive? \ So if your choices don't matter anyway, forget about all that. I say we retcon the entire ending and move on. Come on Bioware, be clever. There were Geth that weren't on Rannoch. There were Quarians that weren't on Rannoch. Rachni would be insignificant. Effectively, since nobody survives in the endings the Stargazer tells the resized adult male model kid, there is no way Stargazer could possibly know what happened in the Citadel and especially since the Relays were shown to be repaired, shortly after the Crucible fired, it can all be dismissed as an old man's over-dramatization. He is a completely unreliable narrator. There's no way he can know what happened and what he describes is contrary to the lore.
And the Relay/Citadel exploding thing, the symbolism is such a pea brained idea. Like the Hyperspace ramming scene in The Last Jedi. Now the Milky Way races are free of the influence of the Reapers, to go down their own paths. Yeah. Only you just condemned everyone in the Milky Way to living in hell for the rest of their existence, as well as many generations after them, as the complete collapse of the galactic supply lines would leave colonies alone and unprotected and no supplies coming in from them, to sustain their homeworlds. In addition to the problems you stated.
Why would you even use that symbolism? Why would you do that? Imagine if communist Cuba had developed, among the vaccines they've shared with the world, a cure for cancer. Then every capitalist country in the world let people die, because can't be influenced by a communist country. Sorry folks, guess you all gotta die, before we accept something from a fucking communist. Almost a decade later, I am still baffled at the reason behind the Relays/Citadel exploding. Too much of a Disney ending otherwise? Trillions lost to the fucking war, homeworlds, colonies fucking obliterated, half our friends dead, entire armies and fleets decimated, not enough consequences for Bioware. Might as well glass the entire setting, by sinking civilization to the galactic equivalent of a dark age. Fuck it. Have the entire galaxy get nuked and just let the Normandy to repopulate the Milky Way from the garden planet, why don't you? It's more merciful that way. Why even make another Mass Effect after that? How do you even come back from that? Why would you come back from that? Who would even want it?
Never fails to make me angry. Nine and a half years later. Can't be that bad, if we still talk about it, as Chris Priestley said. Let's discuss how fucking good World War 2 was, how great the Nazis were and how beneficial the Holocaust was, then, eh Chris?
Pea fucking brained.
Walters said "The galaxy's a wasteland" in his interview. I'm convinced he wanted to nuke the franchise just to get rid of Shepard, but the other writers felt the ending was to grim so they put the breath scene in for the high EMS destroy to give a "glimmer of hope." But since it was all just a story told by an old man to a child, who cares? Some of the details have been lost with time. It all happened so very long ago. Maybe several thousand years ago. So maybe the old man got it all wrong? Bioware needs a win. DA and ME are their two biggest franchises. They need DA4 to win. They need a ME game to score a big win. They need it to stay afloat. So the business model says... retcon the ending. Or firing the Crucible caused space-time to collapse on itself and instead of the Starbrat, in the alt-universe that we're going to be in, Shepard didn't magically get shot in the abdomen when he shot Anderson, and after the Crucible docked a screen appeared with a big "fire" button on it. Shepard hit it and the Crucible simply destroyed all the reapers and reaper forces in the galaxy and nothing else. And in this alternate reality, the geth and quarians are both still around. The genophage cure wasn't perfect, but reasonable because Mordin or Padok Wiks didn't have time for a perfect one. There. It's all fixed. THE END
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Post by Iakus on Aug 2, 2021 0:36:20 GMT
Effectively, since nobody survives in the endings the Stargazer tells the resized adult male model kid, there is no way Stargazer could possibly know what happened in the Citadel and especially since the Relays were shown to be repaired, shortly after the Crucible fired, it can all be dismissed as an old man's over-dramatization. He is a completely unreliable narrator. There's no way he can know what happened and what he describes is contrary to the lore.
And the Relay/Citadel exploding thing, the symbolism is such a pea brained idea. Like the Hyperspace ramming scene in The Last Jedi. Now the Milky Way races are free of the influence of the Reapers, to go down their own paths. Yeah. Only you just condemned everyone in the Milky Way to living in hell for the rest of their existence, as well as many generations after them, as the complete collapse of the galactic supply lines would leave colonies alone and unprotected and no supplies coming in from them, to sustain their homeworlds. In addition to the problems you stated.
Why would you even use that symbolism? Why would you do that? Imagine if communist Cuba had developed, among the vaccines they've shared with the world, a cure for cancer. Then every capitalist country in the world let people die, because can't be influenced by a communist country. Sorry folks, guess you all gotta die, before we accept something from a fucking communist. Almost a decade later, I am still baffled at the reason behind the Relays/Citadel exploding. Too much of a Disney ending otherwise? Trillions lost to the fucking war, homeworlds, colonies fucking obliterated, half our friends dead, entire armies and fleets decimated, not enough consequences for Bioware. Might as well glass the entire setting, by sinking civilization to the galactic equivalent of a dark age. Fuck it. Have the entire galaxy get nuked and just let the Normandy to repopulate the Milky Way from the garden planet, why don't you? It's more merciful that way. Why even make another Mass Effect after that? How do you even come back from that? Why would you come back from that? Who would even want it?
Never fails to make me angry. Nine and a half years later. Can't be that bad, if we still talk about it, as Chris Priestley said. Let's discuss how fucking good World War 2 was, how great the Nazis were and how beneficial the Holocaust was, then, eh Chris?
Pea fucking brained.
Walters said "The galaxy's a wasteland" in his interview. I'm convinced he wanted to nuke the franchise just to get rid of Shepard, but the other writers felt the ending was to grim so they put the breath scene in for the high EMS destroy to give a "glimmer of hope." But since it was all just a story told by an old man to a child, who cares? Some of the details have been lost with time. It all happened so very long ago. Maybe several thousand years ago. So maybe the old man got it all wrong? Bioware needs a win. DA and ME are their two biggest franchises. They need DA4 to win. They need a ME game to score a big win. They need it to stay afloat. So the business model says... retcon the ending. Or firing the Crucible caused space-time to collapse on itself and instead of the Starbrat, in the alt-universe that we're going to be in, Shepard didn't magically get shot in the abdomen when he shot Anderson, and after the Crucible docked a screen appeared with a big "fire" button on it. Shepard hit it and the Crucible simply destroyed all the reapers and reaper forces in the galaxy and nothing else. And in this alternate reality, the geth and quarians are both still around. The genophage cure wasn't perfect, but reasonable because Mordin or Padok Wiks didn't have time for a perfect one. There. It's all fixed. THE END I'd say what Bioware needs is an original IP and to move away fro mtheir chronic sequelitis. But Anthem was their first new IP in a decade, and we saw how well THAT worked out...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 2, 2021 0:40:02 GMT
Walters said "The galaxy's a wasteland" in his interview. I'm convinced he wanted to nuke the franchise just to get rid of Shepard Sounds a bit overkill, for one. Secondly, why did they let him? Surely one person would have the idea that, if we don't kill the franchise, we can make sidestories in that universe, like the EU books of Star Wars. They could have made any story they wanted, in any time period they wanted and star whoever they wanted. No need for sequel, no need for prequel, just standalone stories, from privateer in the fringes of Council space, to C-Sec Sci-Fi noir stories, absolutely anything. At that point, the franchise is made and has actual staying power. Now, it's a wonder it gets a million copies sold and it is liked among the people that like it. They lost the normies. But since it was all just a story told by an old man to a child, who cares? Some of the details have been lost with time. It all happened so very long ago. Maybe several thousand years ago. So maybe the old man got it all wrong? While I hope that were true and it could easily be so, the Will Continue trailer seems to confirm the destruction of the relays and the death of the reapers, so destroy is, at the very least, heavily implied to have happened and to have happened just as we saw it. Bioware needs a win. DA and ME are their two biggest franchises. They need DA4 to win. They need a ME game to score a big win. They need it to stay afloat. So the business model says... retcon the ending. I don't see either of those being wins and I don't see them retconing the ending. Just like CBS with Kurtzman Trek, they seem content to drive it to the end. It'd make sense, but I absolutely do not see them doing it. There are so many ways they can move around it, but they won't do it and even if they do, they're not going to make it worthwhile. People will simply reject the new cast a second time. |
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Post by Iakus on Aug 2, 2021 0:53:28 GMT
Honestly going back to the first game I expected the Citadel and the relays would be the "price" to stopping the Reapers. Going back to Sovereign's "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life." I expected the loss of the relays would give the galaxy a chance to find a different path to ftl travel. Or, in using the relays again, to at least use them o our own terms, fully understanding them and be able to build our own.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 2, 2021 1:00:32 GMT
Honestly going back to the first game I expected the Citadel and the relays would be the "price" to stopping the Reapers. GOing back to Sovereign's "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life." I expected the loss of the relays would give the galax a chance to find a different path to ftl travel. Or, in using the relays again, to at least use them o our own terms, fully understanding them and be able to build our own. Frankly, no and it's not a good idea. They were too iconic to the franchise. Even if you make a game on a single cluster, about a privateer, as I said earlier and never use a Relay or even visit the Citadel, they are important to the setting. |
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Post by Iakus on Aug 2, 2021 1:13:33 GMT
Honestly going back to the first game I expected the Citadel and the relays would be the "price" to stopping the Reapers. GOing back to Sovereign's "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life." I expected the loss of the relays would give the galax a chance to find a different path to ftl travel. Or, in using the relays again, to at least use them o our own terms, fully understanding them and be able to build our own. Frankly, no and it's not a good idea. They were too iconic to the franchise. Even if you make a game on a single cluster, about a privateer, as I said earlier and never use a Relay or even visit the Citadel, they are important to the setting. This isn't to say that they could never be used again. Just that they were designed as a trap, to make the races of the galaxy complacent and dependant on technology they don't understand. By wrecking the relays, the races would actually have to get up and start studying them in order to repair or replace them.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 2, 2021 1:19:15 GMT
This isn't to say that they could never be used again. Just that they were designed as a trap, to make the races of the galaxy complacent and dependant on technology they don't understand. By wrecking the relays, the races would actually have to get up and start studying them in order to repair or replace them. I understand, but it takes a construction crew 6 months to not fix a pothole. Can you imagine the ramifications the destruction of the Citadel and the relays would have? In the two years since ME1, Anderson tells us that even the repairs on Tayseri ward aren't finished. To fix the entire Citadel, or a Relay, would take decades. It would require millennia to have the relay network operating again. And by that time, fuck it. None of it would be relevant. The damage to the franchise is irreversible. It's not something you can just fix in a logical timeframe. |
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Post by shotgunjulia on Aug 2, 2021 9:01:10 GMT
I remember on BSN I'd jokingly posted that Bioware make a double feature game.
1) "Planet Terror" - Starring Ashley Williams, Conrad Verner, and Zaeed Masani (RIP). Featuring Danny Trejo. Miners on a distant world awaken an ancient horror. Williams and team have to get to the bottom of it and try to save the mining town. That was the plot. Oversaturate the color.
2) "The Ghost Ship" - Starring Miranda Lawson, Garrus Vakarian, et al. Garrus gets back channel intel about a derelict Turian dreadnought, the Hypatian, missing since the First Contact war and wants to bring it back to Palaven. The reward would be substantial and the job simple... except when crew members start mysteriously disappearing.
These don't have anything to do with reapers. Just make a fun game. Stories in the MEU. And who cares if they're canon?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 2, 2021 9:05:07 GMT
I say we retcon the entire ending and move on. Come on Bioware, be clever. I think it comes down to this anyway in the end... the choices that mattered a bit in the OT are diluted by time. But lets see...
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Post by Iakus on Aug 2, 2021 14:31:14 GMT
This isn't to say that they could never be used again. Just that they were designed as a trap, to make the races of the galaxy complacent and dependant on technology they don't understand. By wrecking the relays, the races would actually have to get up and start studying them in order to repair or replace them. I understand, but it takes a construction crew 6 months to not fix a pothole. Can you imagine the ramifications the destruction of the Citadel and the relays would have? In the two years since ME1, Anderson tells us that even the repairs on Tayseri ward aren't finished. To fix the entire Citadel, or a Relay, would take decades. It would require millennia to have the relay network operating again. And by that time, fuck it. None of it would be relevant. The damage to the franchise is irreversible. It's not something you can just fix in a logical timeframe. They have already leaped the franchise ahead several hundred years. Plenty of time to get a number of relays up and running again. Citadel space would be smaller, yes, but it would also create much more "Wild West"-style frontier to explore.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 2, 2021 14:57:28 GMT
They have already leaped the franchise ahead several hundred years. Plenty of time to get a number of relays up and running again. Citadel space would be smaller, yes, but it would also create much more "Wild West"-style frontier to explore. Hard pass. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 16:24:02 GMT
They have already leaped the franchise ahead several hundred years. Plenty of time to get a number of relays up and running again. Citadel space would be smaller, yes, but it would also create much more "Wild West"-style frontier to explore. Hard pass.Take my money. |
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*takes his money and funnels it to a Cerberus's off shore accounts* excellent. The Cerberus rebuilding project has begun. 
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 2, 2021 17:41:55 GMT
This isn't to say that they could never be used again. Just that they were designed as a trap, to make the races of the galaxy complacent and dependant on technology they don't understand. By wrecking the relays, the races would actually have to get up and start studying them in order to repair or replace them. I understand, but it takes a construction crew 6 months to not fix a pothole. Can you imagine the ramifications the destruction of the Citadel and the relays would have? In the two years since ME1, Anderson tells us that even the repairs on Tayseri ward aren't finished. To fix the entire Citadel, or a Relay, would take decades. It would require millennia to have the relay network operating again. And by that time, fuck it. None of it would be relevant. The damage to the franchise is irreversible. It's not something you can just fix in a logical timeframe. The thing is, the only Mass Relay we see being destroyed is the Sol relay. What if it is the only relay that was actually destroyed since it was hit with the beam right from the Citadel itself? What if the red beam attenuated in strength as it passed through the relay network? Still enough to kill all reapers in the galaxy but the other relays remain intact.
Basically, you'd have to try and get from Earth to the nearest relay (not sure if that's the one near Arcturus?) via conventional FTL but once you are there, you have access to the network again. Earth would of course be a bit isolated but the galaxy as a whole remains somewhat connected.
Going further, IMO an interesting premise would be that the closer you are to the Sol relay, the more damage the other relays took. This means that in council space and the traverse, relay travel becomes somewhat risky. Sometimes, ships vanish as they try to travel through the relays (presumably destroyed but no one knows for sure). The further you get away from earth, the more reliable the network gets. This means, that the terminus systems are now a powerhouse in the post war galaxy as they are the most reliably connected clusters, while the traditional council races have to struggle to even keep their scattered colonies supplied and under control.
I'd love to see some galaxy wide political thriller play out in such a volatile post-war galaxy, with intrigues and political brinkmanship as every faction, from the major races to terminus gangs, - old and new - try to slice off their peace of the pie on the now leveled playing field of galactic powe.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 2, 2021 18:08:59 GMT
*takes his money and funnels it to a Cerberus's off shore accounts* excellent. The Cerberus rebuilding project has begun.  A Phantom got to do what A Phantom got to do. We shall save the Galaxy thru our shannigans.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 2, 2021 19:22:21 GMT
*takes his money and funnels it to a Cerberus's off shore accounts* excellent. The Cerberus rebuilding project has begun.  What happened to TIM's patent of the paper clip?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 2, 2021 19:24:14 GMT
I understand, but it takes a construction crew 6 months to not fix a pothole. Can you imagine the ramifications the destruction of the Citadel and the relays would have? In the two years since ME1, Anderson tells us that even the repairs on Tayseri ward aren't finished. To fix the entire Citadel, or a Relay, would take decades. It would require millennia to have the relay network operating again. And by that time, fuck it. None of it would be relevant. The damage to the franchise is irreversible. It's not something you can just fix in a logical timeframe. The thing is, the only Mass Relay we see being destroyed is the Sol relay. What if it is the only relay that was actually destroyed since it was hit with the beam right from the Citadel itself? What if the red beam attenuated in strength as it passed through the relay network? Still enough to kill all reapers in the galaxy but the other relay remain intact.
Basically, you'd have to try and get from Earth to the nearest relay (not sure if that's the one near Arcturus?) via conventional FTL but once you are there, you have access to the network again. Earth would of course be somewhat isolated but the galaxy as a whole remains somewhat connected.
Going further, IMO an interesting premise would be that the closer you are to the Sol relay, the more damage the other relays took. This means that in council space and the traverse, relay travel becomes somewhat risky. Sometimes, ships vanish as they try to travel through the relays (presumably destroyed but no one knows for sure). The fursther you get away from earth, the more reliable the network gets. This means, that the terminus systems are now a powerhouse in the post war galaxy as they are the most reliably connected clusters, while the traditional council races have to struggle to even keep their scattered colonies supplied and under control.
I'd love to see some galaxy wide political thriller play out in such a volatile post-war galaxy, with intrigues and political brinksmanship as every faction, from the major races to terminus gangs, -old and new - try to slice off their peace of the pie on the now leveled playing field of galactic power players.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 2, 2021 19:29:54 GMT
excellent. The Cerberus rebuilding project has begun. What happened to TIM's patent of the paper clip? Well that is one of several ways that we make money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 20:38:22 GMT
I see no debits. Methinks Cerberus talks much, does little.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 2, 2021 21:30:13 GMT
I see no debits. Methinks Cerberus talks much, does little. well I know that Cerberus has paid all of their debts. Some of the debt collectors did have heart attacks but that is after we paid them off completely.
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