The endings (again)

What about Cortezand MaleShep?
"And then Cortez spread those cheeks and ate Shepard's butthole, which he had made sure was squeaky clean, with an enema, like his life depended on it. Then, once Steve finished his meal, which looked more like he was trying to suck out Shepard's breath through his sphincter, the pilot took that ass to pound town".
This is just not PG13 material. That child has either seen some serious shit, to not be phased, or physical development is seriously not keeping up with the mental one, in Stargazer's future.

Wut?

I pre-ordered the CE.

The endings still suck. Your point is moot.

Edit: this thread has made a significant turn to improvement, and some ruthless humor lmao!

Yeah, we decided in about 5 minutes. Hasty folk we are.

But we still talk about it, because it meant something to us. Obviously something different than what it meant to you.

Good for you.

I for one am extremely thankful that you and I see things differently. You probably are too.

As for complaining about the same things - huh, some people agree about what went wrong. Madness isn't it?

Refusing to consider perspectives that put our feelings about those moments in a different light? What are you talking about? You don't know anything more about the development of these games than anyone else here, and I might say you know considerably less. You weren't a member of BSN Prime that I recall, so please share your original tag there if it existed.

As for what is important to some people vs yourself - this is called perspective. You should take a long time studying it, as you assume your perspective is correct. It is, sometimes, and so is everyone elses. Not seeing this, is a demonstration of zero perspective. Your expectations are irrelevant.

Well, my N7 edition is signed by Jennifer Hale, so I can't get rid of that. 

As opposed to what though? Being dead?


Speaking of people having the right to choose their fate whilst supporting Destroy which kills all the Geth who came to fight the Reapers in common cause because you specifically assured them you would and do not accept the notion that organic life matters more than synthetic life is absolutely outrageous. The Geth and EDI repeatedly tell you they are *not* cool with dying or 'taking one for the team' to make organics feel safer. Destroy sees you betray that promise and is completely at odds with the stats that show 94% of players are Paragon. Some paragons, throwing their allies under the bus to save their own skin.

As I've said over and over and over, this whole debate could have been solved by Sheperd living in every ending. The starkid says 'I was testing to see what choice you'd make if you thought you were going to die anyway'. Boom. Done. Endings are still lame but nobody gets truly mad anymore because they have freedom to choose without losing their character.

Because no matter what they say, that *is* the sticking point for most - they knew they were commiting a dishonourable, self serving and treacherous act but they wanted to live so they picked Destroy and blamed Bioware for 'forcing' them to do it.  Because BW had shilled Sheperd so hard for 3 games that they literally couldn't accept that he'd die because heroes never lose and all that crap.

I get where you are coming from I really do. However I disagree with pick destroy as a selfish option. When I entered the r/g/b ending control, narratively, green and blue made no sense. Being told the entire time that you can't control reapers because they end up controlling you in the end to have presented as an option felt very strange and non-sensical. Green was better but ripped me right out immersively speaking. I had too many questions on how it could work then I liked. Destroy though? for three games it's been our goal to stop the reapers and it makes the most sense to blow them up. Yes that meant that EDI and the Geth would get killed to but the entire galaxy would be safe. It sucked but it's the only one that made any sense from a roleplay stance. So I didn't really think of destroy as selfish just the best ending from a roleplay stand point. I didn't care if I lived or not the conflict ends there 100% guaranteed. From what I've seen personally the people who choose destroy did it because of those reasons but the people who picked synthesis did it because it was the closest to a happy end they could get. Never met anyone who chose control though. Still all in all the ends create this debate because of how shoddy the writing was and at least that's created discussion even to this day. Even if that discussion becomes uncivil at times xD Not many games can make that claim.

By picking Destroy you prove the Reapers, Starkid, Geth are right - that when the chips are down, your talk of peaceful co-existence between organics and synthetics is just that: talk. Its the only way the Geth agreed to fight for you - because you promised them you wouldn't do this very thing! How else can you interpret it? You've been offered a choice of 3 options and you went out of your way to choose the one that would definately save all the organics and definately kill all the synthetics. Including EDI, loyal for 2 games, partner to your loyal pilot who only request in the whole series is for you to keep her safe, an AI who thanks for treating her as a person and tells you she will fight with everything she has because you made her feel truly alive and she doesn't want to die.

And its not self serving to betray them all in this utterly craven way?!

As for Control its an execution issue.  I just don't accept it because of how it devalues TIM's arc. I don't agree with his methods at all but the fact is that truly believed he was doing the right thing and was willing to hurt himself in a nightmarish way to show he wasn't all talk. So for the game to say 'ah you don't need to understand the science of how it works or get those implants - just grab those sticks over there covered in lightning and Bob's your Reaper uncle'.... its a hell of an unearned 180 to let Sheperd do after trashing and mocking TIM's goals as impossible, fruitcase theories of a crank and traitor all game. Basically, I think Control should only have been available if you'd made a choice earlier to use TIM's research and had Henry Lawson or even Miranda fit you with the stuff yourself. Its not something I would ever do but if I was the writer I'd feel a duty to do right by those who do support this option.

I don't think Synthesis is perfect by any means. Its still lame and comes out of nowhere. Bt by your actions you can at least have shown that your mindset supports this idea - that you came here hoping to find a way for everyone to live. Which is what most claim to do then buckle when they learn they have to die to do it.

Why the ending of Mass Effect 3 sucks...

If the Catalyst is controlling the Reapers, why is it offering you ANY choices to end the war? The Reapers are winning. Shepard fires the crucible and it doesn't do shit. Hacket is over your com freaking out about it not doing anything and you can't figure it out while you are near death. But suddenly you collapse and get beamed up by a magic space elevator and this walking and talking plot device is offering you these three choices out of nowhere, after an endless and pointless exchange that explains nothing.

But why? The Reapers are winning. But for some reason, the being that is controlling them starts to drone on about how "their solution doesn't work anymore", even though nothing happened leading up to this moment that could logically make the Reapers puppet master think this. So because Shepard was able to press a button that did nothing and collapsed on a space elevator, that was enough to make the Catalyst question their "solution"? Really? None of the previous races harvested and wiped out by the Reapers were able to press a button that didn't fire the crucible and this blew the Catalyst's mind to the point where he they are "we can't keep doing this/we need to figure something out here"? That was the big climatic ending that this was all leading to? Really?

Did Casey Hudson and Mac Walters really think this was going to be a satisfying ending? Were they really surprised when this blew up in their face? The players character, that they spent a whole trilogy with - suddenly has their agency taken away and they are forced to accept the "solutions" offered by the Reapers puppet master, that they have no logical reason to even offer you at that moment. They really thought this was a good idea? You destroy the Reapers by shooting a glass tube with your gun! You "control the Reapers" even though the Illusive Man and Saren couldn't. You jump into a beam and suddenly turn every race in the galaxy into a Borg with free will. None of these are satisfying or make any sense. None of the implications behind the fallout of your "choice" was satisfyingly explored in either the original or extended cut. The original cut offered zero closure. Joker is able to outrun your blue/red/green chosen space explosion and crashes onto a planet and walks out and the game just ends. In some versions with low EMS it fades to black before the door even completely opens!

Again, how did Mac and Casey ever think this was a good idea?

The original version of the ending had no closure and seemed more like a cliffhanger for another game, rather then the grand collusion that it was billed as. The high EMS "Shepard breathes" ending only makes this worse, because instead of getting closure with Shepard one way or another (either a clear heroic sacrifice or a happy ending), it muddles things up with more questions that were never planned to be answered. What is the point of making people question if Shepard lived or died under all that rubble if you weren't going to make another game with them anyway? All you are doing is undermining Shepard's sacrifice, because instead of getting closure you are getting more uncertainty and unanswered questions.

Again, why do people think this ending is good? Why do people still defend this ending? I don't understand it and I don't think I ever will.