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Post by Iakus on Jun 21, 2021 13:14:22 GMT
Sums it up...  This. Refuse is the only option that makes sense to me. My first play through was well before the EC. Refused to play Starbrats' shitty little game. The Beacons Shep and Liara put together for the next cycle are what makes refuse the choice for me. Shepard dies, but everybody and everything eventually pass, what matters is what you do when given the choice. History of this cycle is secure via the Beacons, hope for the next to defeat the threat is there also. Sing the song of Achilles and become immortal by doing something legendary. Refuse is Bioware trolling the players who hate the endings, as seen by them linking it to shooting the Catalyst It's them flipping the table and going "Rocks fall, everyone dies! Now reload and pick a color!" I mean, even with the epilogue it becomes clear that another cycle is "brave" enough to use the Giant Magic Wand!
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Post by Iakus on Jun 21, 2021 13:21:13 GMT
Somethingseomthing freedom for security... You see control as mass slavery. I don't. The Reapers are already under the control of an AI... the Catalyst. They are sensient, but not fully sapient and have never been. They are archives of past civilization accumulated because the Catalyst is still looking for the information/solution to the problem he was programmed to solve. The Shepard only controls the Reapers, not the organics and not the geth (who have become over the course of the games, fully free and sentient beings - fully developed AI).
Destroy destroys the freedom of some organics to choose to employ synthetized solutions to their problems as that technology is destroyed in the process along with the ancient knowledge that enabled its development in the first place. Synthesis assumes that every being in the galaxy is ready to accept synthethisized solutions and you recognize it as an abomination. Destroy does the same thing... just in the opposite direction. It denies people the ability to choose things like cybernetics to heal wounds, genetic modifications to cure diseases, etc. With control, the peoples are able to still choose freely for themselves. Nothing is forced on them and nothing is forcibly taken away... as long as you, the player, have created Shepard's personality in a manner that makes him/her worthy of bearing the "public trust." It's the same trust we put into any of our world's leaders today regardless of whether we put them into power by supporting them democratically or socially (because they are charismatic) or militarily or via tradition (monarchy). While democracy is upheld to be superior, it still holds true that leader whose people want him ousted... gets ousted eventually. But Shepard doesn't even lead the organics... he/she is cut off from communicating with them. Under Control - the organics are free to govern themselves as they always have.
We are told by Saren that Reapers are machines and, therefore, think like machines... and furthermore, that machines view usefulness as their prime motivator... not love, etc. EDI eventually changed herself to reflect more of the organic ideals... the things that make us sapient. The Reapers haven't done that... yet. Under the right guidance, they may someday... and at that point, Shepard is able to also "relinquish control' just as he/she enabled EDI to "feel alive."
Control IS slavery. It's the Reapers dominating organic life (and with no guarantee the harvests...or something worse...won't start up again due to wonky programming) Destroy is the destruction of the freedom of synthetics. Control is the destruction of freedom for organics. Regardless of how gilded the cage MAY be. As long as there is something out there steering their development, organics will never be able to find their own path. And Shepard's personality is not a guarantee of future behavior. The AI may have Shep's memories, but it has been made clear over and over again that synthetics have a different perspective on things than organics (The AI even says as much in the epilogue) Heck even different organic minds have different perspectives. Destroy is also highly arbitrary. It blows up synthetic life, and even "partly synthetic" beings are at risk. So...where's the biotic holocaust? All those people with cybernetic implants in their brains and nervous systems should have stroked out, right?
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Post by themikefest on Jun 21, 2021 13:40:06 GMT
Can you imagine my Shepard controlling the reapers? hahahahahahaha. My Shepard liked working with Cerberus. It would have the reapers help rebuild all human colonies, and Earth. It would leave a couple of reapers behind for humans to study, then fly the rest of the reapers into the nearest sun. Humanity becomes top dog in the galaxy, most likely the universe. excellent. TIM would be proud.   |
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Post by Iakus on Jun 21, 2021 14:49:24 GMT
Can you imagine my Shepard controlling the reapers? hahahahahahaha. My Shepard liked working with Cerberus. It would have the reapers help rebuild all human colonies, and Earth. It would leave a couple of reapers behind for humans to study, then fly the rest of the reapers into the nearest sun. Humanity becomes top dog in the galaxy, most likely the universe. excellent. TIM would be proud.   Or your ShepardAI may decide that the best way to ensure human dominance in the galaxy is in Reaper form (because the Shepard AI is not Shepard and has has no connection to his/her connection to humanity and is essentially just a set of recordings of Shepard's memories) And just leaves the galaxy with a few human-Reapers to rule. So yeah, there may not be any humans, just a few Sovereign-class Reapers with Cerberus logos on them...
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Post by themikefest on Jun 21, 2021 15:19:44 GMT
Can you imagine my Shepard controlling the reapers? hahahahahahaha. My Shepard liked working with Cerberus. It would have the reapers help rebuild all human colonies, and Earth. It would leave a couple of reapers behind for humans to study, then fly the rest of the reapers into the nearest sun. Humanity becomes top dog in the galaxy, most likely the universe. excellent. TIM would be proud. Or your ShepardAI may decide that the best way to ensure human dominance in the galaxy is in Reaper form (because the Shepard AI is not Shepard and has has no connection to his/her connection to humanity and is essentially just a set of recordings of Shepard's memories) And just leaves the galaxy with a few human-Reapers to rule. So yeah, there may not be any humans, just a few Sovereign-class Reapers with Cerberus logos on them... One of the reasons why I don't choose the blue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 18:08:23 GMT
You see control as mass slavery. I don't. The Reapers are already under the control of an AI... the Catalyst. They are sensient, but not fully sapient and have never been. They are archives of past civilization accumulated because the Catalyst is still looking for the information/solution to the problem he was programmed to solve. The Shepard only controls the Reapers, not the organics and not the geth (who have become over the course of the games, fully free and sentient beings - fully developed AI).
Destroy destroys the freedom of some organics to choose to employ synthetized solutions to their problems as that technology is destroyed in the process along with the ancient knowledge that enabled its development in the first place. Synthesis assumes that every being in the galaxy is ready to accept synthethisized solutions and you recognize it as an abomination. Destroy does the same thing... just in the opposite direction. It denies people the ability to choose things like cybernetics to heal wounds, genetic modifications to cure diseases, etc. With control, the peoples are able to still choose freely for themselves. Nothing is forced on them and nothing is forcibly taken away... as long as you, the player, have created Shepard's personality in a manner that makes him/her worthy of bearing the "public trust." It's the same trust we put into any of our world's leaders today regardless of whether we put them into power by supporting them democratically or socially (because they are charismatic) or militarily or via tradition (monarchy). While democracy is upheld to be superior, it still holds true that leader whose people want him ousted... gets ousted eventually. But Shepard doesn't even lead the organics... he/she is cut off from communicating with them. Under Control - the organics are free to govern themselves as they always have.
We are told by Saren that Reapers are machines and, therefore, think like machines... and furthermore, that machines view usefulness as their prime motivator... not love, etc. EDI eventually changed herself to reflect more of the organic ideals... the things that make us sapient. The Reapers haven't done that... yet. Under the right guidance, they may someday... and at that point, Shepard is able to also "relinquish control' just as he/she enabled EDI to "feel alive."
Control IS slavery. It's the Reapers dominating organic life (and with no guarantee the harvests...or something worse...won't start up again due to wonky programming) Destroy is the destruction of the freedom of synthetics. Control is the destruction of freedom for organics. Regardless of how gilded the cage MAY be. As long as there is something out there steering their development, organics will never be able to find their own path. And Shepard's personality is not a guarantee of future behavior. The AI may have Shep's memories, but it has been made clear over and over again that synthetics have a different perspective on things than organics (The AI even says as much in the epilogue) Heck even different organic minds have different perspectives. Destroy is also highly arbitrary. It blows up synthetic life, and even "partly synthetic" beings are at risk. So...where's the biotic holocaust? All those people with cybernetic implants in their brains and nervous systems should have stroked out, right? Where in paragon control speech does it say that the Reapers dominate organic life? It doesn't. It's the spin you're wanting to put on it. Control is control of the Reapers themselves "as Shepard sees fit" because The Shepard has the imprint of the personality imprint/programming of the Shepard you played for 3 games. How that Shepard's actions will lean depends on how you played him/her. Nothing prevents The Shepard from abusing his/her power, but nothing compels him/her to either. The Reapers themselves have always been under control of an AI, this just changes the programming of that controller.
Destroy IS the destruction of some freedoms for organics and it is the complete annihilation of synthetics. Since synthetics are completely annihilated, individual organics can no longer choose to be helped by them. The quarians, for example, who accepted of their own free will (if peace was obtained) the geth helping them speed their rebuilding of their immune systems and their farms on Rannoch no longer have that option since there are no geth. Freedom of that choice has been taken away by destroy... their freedom has been taken away and Shepard has unilaterally decided they must remain in their suits for generations longer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 18:14:46 GMT
Can you imagine my Shepard controlling the reapers? hahahahahahaha. My Shepard liked working with Cerberus. It would have the reapers help rebuild all human colonies, and Earth. It would leave a couple of reapers behind for humans to study, then fly the rest of the reapers into the nearest sun. Humanity becomes top dog in the galaxy, most likely the universe. excellent. TIM would be proud. Personally, I would have left your Shepard to rot in the detention center and enlisted James or even Liara to lead the charge to unite the galaxy to fight the reaper threat.
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Post by shotgunjulia on Jun 21, 2021 18:28:39 GMT
I'll just let you define Destroy for yourself. Sums it up... You're wrong. It's worse. From left to right it's Mass Slavery (which could lead to mass genocide); Mass Genocide; Mass Genocide. In the middle choice you're rewriting everyone. They're no longer who or what they were. It's the same as killing them. The entire series ruined in 5 minutes. Just like Game of Thrones... completely ruined in two episodes. It's been like this for a number of years now. What is it about writers who don't know how write endings anymore?
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Jun 21, 2021 19:16:47 GMT
Control IS slavery. It's the Reapers dominating organic life (and with no guarantee the harvests...or something worse...won't start up again due to wonky programming) Destroy is the destruction of the freedom of synthetics. Control is the destruction of freedom for organics. Regardless of how gilded the cage MAY be. As long as there is something out there steering their development, organics will never be able to find their own path. And Shepard's personality is not a guarantee of future behavior. The AI may have Shep's memories, but it has been made clear over and over again that synthetics have a different perspective on things than organics (The AI even says as much in the epilogue) Heck even different organic minds have different perspectives. Destroy is also highly arbitrary. It blows up synthetic life, and even "partly synthetic" beings are at risk. So...where's the biotic holocaust? All those people with cybernetic implants in their brains and nervous systems should have stroked out, right? Where in paragon control speech does it say that the Reapers dominate organic life? It doesn't. It's the spin you're wanting to put on it. Control is control of the Reapers themselves "as Shepard sees fit" because The Shepard has the imprint of the personality imprint/programming of the Shepard you played for 3 games. How that Shepard's actions will lean depends on how you played him/her. Nothing prevents The Shepard from abusing his/her power, but nothing compels him/her to either. The Reapers themselves have always been under control of an AI, this just changes the programming of that controller.
Destroy IS the destruction of some freedoms for organics and it is the complete annihilation of synthetics. Since synthetics are completely annihilated, individual organics can no longer choose to be helped by them. The quarians, for example, who accepted of their own free will (if peace was obtained) the geth helping them speed their rebuilding of their immune systems and their farms on Rannoch no longer have that option since there are no geth. Freedom of that choice has been taken away by destroy... their freedom has been taken away and Shepard has unilaterally decided they must remain in their suits for generations longer.
Kind of a rosy outlook. They're still in the suits in Blue flavor while the geth go off somewhere else to build their structure. They aren't cooperating. Most of the quarians (all but like 2 characters) hate the geth, and in that instance over Rannoch probably just didn't want to get killed by Reaper upgraded robots. You need to pick the Green for them to get along, because the tree cyborg magic also makes you automatic friends with robots and husks or some goofy shit. But I don't see how this argument works in general seeing as nobody loses the "freedom" to make synthetics. The brat even says when describing Red that it's gonna happen again and "the chaos will come back" or whatever. Quarians could create more geth programs literally the day after, if they wanted. The only thing that happens is the current synthetics all get blown up because Bio didn't think anyone would pick Green without an arbitrary downside to Red.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 21, 2021 19:22:35 GMT
Control IS slavery. It's the Reapers dominating organic life (and with no guarantee the harvests...or something worse...won't start up again due to wonky programming) Destroy is the destruction of the freedom of synthetics. Control is the destruction of freedom for organics. Regardless of how gilded the cage MAY be. As long as there is something out there steering their development, organics will never be able to find their own path. And Shepard's personality is not a guarantee of future behavior. The AI may have Shep's memories, but it has been made clear over and over again that synthetics have a different perspective on things than organics (The AI even says as much in the epilogue) Heck even different organic minds have different perspectives. Destroy is also highly arbitrary. It blows up synthetic life, and even "partly synthetic" beings are at risk. So...where's the biotic holocaust? All those people with cybernetic implants in their brains and nervous systems should have stroked out, right? Where in paragon control speech does it say that the Reapers dominate organic life? It doesn't. It's the spin you're wanting to put on it. Control is control of the Reapers themselves "as Shepard sees fit" because The Shepard has the imprint of the personality imprint/programming of the Shepard you played for 3 games. How that Shepard's actions will lean depends on how you played him/her. Nothing prevents The Shepard from abusing his/her power, but nothing compels him/her to either. The Reapers themselves have always been under control of an AI, this just changes the programming of that controller. The Reapers' very existence and choice to remain means they control organic life. NOTHING will happen without the Shepalyst's say-so. The Shepalyst's PURPOSE is to impose its will on the galaxy. Over three games, look at how synthetics view the world vs organics. Look at conversations between Shepard and Legion or EDI. Or even the Shepard VI Shepard: Are you afraid? EDI: Our probability for success is greater than any other plan presented to date. Shepard: That's not what I asked. Are you afraid? EDI: I do not understand the purpose of the question. It is difficult to express. Your brain exists as chemistry, electricity. Like A.I.s, you are shaped by both hardware and software. Geth are purely software. Mathematics. The heretics' conclusion is valid for them. Our conclusion is valid for us. Neither result is an error. An analogy. Heretics say one is less than two. Geth say two is less than three.An imprint of Shepard is NOT Shepard. This is just redoing the Leviathan experiment. And we all know how well that went over the first time....[/div] Destroy IS the destruction of some freedoms for organics and it is the complete annihilation of synthetics. Since synthetics are completely annihilated, individual organics can no longer choose to be helped by them. The quarians, for example, who accepted of their own free will (if peace was obtained) the geth helping them speed their rebuilding of their immune systems and their farms on Rannoch no longer have that option since there are no geth. Freedom of that choice has been taken away by destroy... their freedom has been taken away and Shepard has unilaterally decided they must remain in their suits for generations longer.
[/quote] Yes. Destroy sucks too. They ALL suck!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 21, 2021 19:29:09 GMT
Sums it up... This. Refuse is the only option that makes sense to me. My first play through was well before the EC. Refused to play Starbrats' shitty little game. The Beacons Shep and Liara put together for the next cycle are what makes refuse the choice for me. Shepard dies, but everybody and everything eventually pass, what matters is what you do when given the choice. History of this cycle is secure via the Beacons, hope for the next to defeat the threat is there also. Sing the song of Achilles and become immortal by doing something legendary. So you just commit an even larger genocide than Destroy does? |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 21, 2021 19:42:57 GMT
I wonder if people who say control is slavery support this by their own personal political views of anarchy and a general dislike if not out right hate of any form of government in any way shape or form. Because at worse the Reapers would act just like the Alliance or Turian Hiearchy, etc. You follow their rules and their laws and they leave you alone to live your own life. You break those rule or laws and they will come to arrest you. Forcibly or peacefully depending on your actions.
If you attack the state they respond with force up to and including lethal. The more you push the more and more they push back. The average person in the Alliance might have a pistol or a rifle and maybe a barrier. The Alliance has a military with fleets of ships and weapons capable of wiping out entire cities in seconds.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 21, 2021 19:46:48 GMT
I wonder if people who say control is slavery support this by their own personal political views of anarchy and a general dislike if not out right hate of any form of government in any way shape or form. Because at worse the Reapers would act just like the Alliance or Turian Hiearchy, etc. You follow their rules and their laws and they leave you alone to live your own life. You break those rule or laws and they will come to arrest you. Forcibly or peacefully depending on your actions. If you attack the state they respond with force up to and including lethal. The more you push the more and more they push back. The average person in the Alliance might have a pistol or a rifle and maybe a barrier. The Alliance has a military with fleets of ships and weapons capable of wiping out entire cities in seconds. I don't recall the Reapers being a democratically elected body. I guess its the people of Chile's fault that they died, for going against Pinochet.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 21, 2021 19:47:13 GMT
Yes because if you don't want an immortal space Cthulhu operating on highly questionable programming, and can exterminate all organic life in the galaxy if it had a mind to, ruling the galaxy, you're a dangerous anarchist who hates any form of government  |
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Post by Iakus on Jun 21, 2021 19:47:55 GMT
I wonder if people who say control is slavery support this by their own personal political views of anarchy and a general dislike if not out right hate of any form of government in any way shape or form. Because at worse the Reapers would act just like the Alliance or Turian Hiearchy, etc. You follow their rules and their laws and they leave you alone to live your own life. You break those rule or laws and they will come to arrest you. Forcibly or peacefully depending on your actions. If you attack the state they respond with force up to and including lethal. The more you push the more and more they push back. The average person in the Alliance might have a pistol or a rifle and maybe a barrier. The Alliance has a military with fleets of ships and weapons capable of wiping out entire cities in seconds. I don't recall the Reapers being a democratically elected body. I guess its the people of Chile's fault that they died, for going against Pinochet. 
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 21, 2021 19:51:50 GMT
2. Synthesis you betray all life in the galaxy by comitting what is essentially genocide in order to grind everyone into the same genetic pulp. Except this description if it is objectively false as it’s explicitly shown that nobody loses who they were nor is everyone grinder into the same generic pulp. |
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Post by Iakus on Jun 21, 2021 19:54:25 GMT
2. Synthesis you betray all life in the galaxy by comitting what is essentially genocide in order to grind everyone into the same genetic pulp. Except this description if it is objectively false as it’s explicitly shown that nobody loses who they were nor is everyone grinder into the same generic pulp. That is actually objectively false as it shows Wreav and Eve making peace when they would otherwise be at war.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Jun 21, 2021 19:58:07 GMT
I wonder if people who say control is slavery support this by their own personal political views of anarchy and a general dislike if not out right hate of any form of government in any way shape or form. Because at worse the Reapers would act just like the Alliance or Turian Hiearchy, etc. You follow their rules and their laws and they leave you alone to live your own life. You break those rule or laws and they will come to arrest you. Forcibly or peacefully depending on your actions. If you attack the state they respond with force up to and including lethal. The more you push the more and more they push back. The average person in the Alliance might have a pistol or a rifle and maybe a barrier. The Alliance has a military with fleets of ships and weapons capable of wiping out entire cities in seconds. I don't recall the Reapers being a democratically elected body. I guess its the people of Chile's fault that they died, for going against Pinochet. The French Resistance who were opposed to the Vichy were really all just anarchist that hated the idea of having a government. Not wanting to be ruled by Nazis had nothing to do with it just follow the laws and the gestapo leave you alone. It's no different. Lmao
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 21, 2021 20:02:36 GMT
Except this description if it is objectively false as it’s explicitly shown that nobody loses who they were nor is everyone grinder into the same generic pulp. That is actually objectively false as it shows Wreav and Eve making peace when they would otherwise be at war. So he is back to his ME2 self where he wasn’t a complete idiot. |
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Post by Spectr61 on Jun 21, 2021 20:13:21 GMT
This. Refuse is the only option that makes sense to me. My first play through was well before the EC. Refused to play Starbrats' shitty little game. The Beacons Shep and Liara put together for the next cycle are what makes refuse the choice for me. Shepard dies, but everybody and everything eventually pass, what matters is what you do when given the choice. History of this cycle is secure via the Beacons, hope for the next to defeat the threat is there also. Sing the song of Achilles and become immortal by doing something legendary. So you just commit an even larger genocide than Destroy does? Nope. Entropy is a bitch. All things, including the entire universe, will cease to exist at some point. Granted, the heat death of the universe is unfathomably far in the future, but it will happen. The only thing that matters is how you spend your time. The choices you make. I refuse to become any of the things the destroy, control, or synthesis would make me. With the bonus that if I shoot the Starbrat, refusing to play his shitty little game, I don't commit genocide, the Starbrat does. And, I have already enabled the next cycle to finally kick his arse via the Beacons. So, I refuse, I don't become some kind of monster, and the next cycle wins.
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Post by Radec on Jun 21, 2021 20:19:38 GMT
Can you imagine my Shepard controlling the reapers? hahahahahahaha. My Shepard liked working with Cerberus. It would have the reapers help rebuild all human colonies, and Earth. It would leave a couple of reapers behind for humans to study, then fly the rest of the reapers into the nearest sun. Humanity becomes top dog in the galaxy, most likely the universe. excellent. TIM would be proud. Do us a favour and fly Harbinger to Andromeda to Reap everything there. Make sure to have it trash talk and bully Lil' Ryder. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 21, 2021 20:26:26 GMT
So you just commit an even larger genocide than Destroy does? Nope. Entropy is a bitch. All things, including the entire universe, will cease to exist at some point. Granted, the heat death of the universe is unfathomably far in the future, but it will happen. The only thing that matters is how you spend your time. The choices you make. I refuse to become any of the things the destroy, control, or synthesis would make me. With the bonus that if I shoot the Starbrat, refusing to play his shitty little game, I don't commit genocide, the Starbrat does. And, I have already enabled the next cycle to finally kick his arse via the Beacons. So, I refuse, I don't become some kind of monster, and the next cycle wins. No, you just chose to become an accomplice/accessory to the Catalyst's genocide of this cycle.
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Post by Spectr61 on Jun 21, 2021 20:40:32 GMT
Nope. Entropy is a bitch. All things, including the entire universe, will cease to exist at some point. Granted, the heat death of the universe is unfathomably far in the future, but it will happen. The only thing that matters is how you spend your time. The choices you make. I refuse to become any of the things the destroy, control, or synthesis would make me. With the bonus that if I shoot the Starbrat, refusing to play his shitty little game, I don't commit genocide, the Starbrat does. And, I have already enabled the next cycle to finally kick his arse via the Beacons. So, I refuse, I don't become some kind of monster, and the next cycle wins. No, you just chose to become an accomplice/accessory to the Catalyst's genocide of this cycle. Nope. I am an accomplice to nothing. I refuse to become his partner in anything, and shoot him in the face. Any other choice, and you are his accomplice.
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Post by Spectr61 on Jun 21, 2021 20:49:45 GMT
Nope. Entropy is a bitch. All things, including the entire universe, will cease to exist at some point. Granted, the heat death of the universe is unfathomably far in the future, but it will happen. The only thing that matters is how you spend your time. The choices you make. I refuse to become any of the things the destroy, control, or synthesis would make me. With the bonus that if I shoot the Starbrat, refusing to play his shitty little game, I don't commit genocide, the Starbrat does. And, I have already enabled the next cycle to finally kick his arse via the Beacons. So, I refuse, I don't become some kind of monster, and the next cycle wins. No, you just chose to become an accomplice/accessory to the Catalyst's genocide of this cycle. Also, QuarianMasterRace summed it up succinctly in another thread; bsn.boards.net/post/1474640/thread
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Post by Iakus on Jun 21, 2021 21:36:53 GMT
Nope. Entropy is a bitch. All things, including the entire universe, will cease to exist at some point. Granted, the heat death of the universe is unfathomably far in the future, but it will happen. The only thing that matters is how you spend your time. The choices you make. I refuse to become any of the things the destroy, control, or synthesis would make me. With the bonus that if I shoot the Starbrat, refusing to play his shitty little game, I don't commit genocide, the Starbrat does. And, I have already enabled the next cycle to finally kick his arse via the Beacons. So, I refuse, I don't become some kind of monster, and the next cycle wins. No, you just chose to become an accomplice/accessory to the Catalyst's genocide of this cycle. 
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