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Post by bayni on Jul 1, 2021 4:11:40 GMT
So after watching husband do his green ending, I still don’t like it because it changes all organic everything as we see with the plants. Yes Joker gets a happy ending and there is peace for now until someone finds something to fight about which we will always do. But here is why it bugs me. What about those non space traveling civilizations who suddenly get up lifted. It reminds me of Star Trek’s prime directive. Is this a bad thing, we don’t know.
Sovereign says because of the reapers they up lifted each cycle to take the path that the reapers wanted. I don’t like this, they should not have done that, nor should the Salarians have done it or even the Prothians. I pick destroy because it was wrong to create AI to begin with. I liked Legion a lot but sorry the Leviathan started this crap. I cure the genophage because it was wrong to do that to the Krogan who should never have been messed with in the first place. I do understand that even in real life we progress through discovery and yes the synth end is basically pushing progress forwards super fast to the point of Ascension like the Ancients from stargate. But that’s what I don’t like, what if we aren’t ready.
It’s a matter of what you believe is right for you. I think AI being self aware is bad and my husband thinks all things that ask if they are alive should be allowed to live and forcing evolution forward is ok.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 1, 2021 6:12:43 GMT
So after watching husband do his green ending, I still don’t like it because it changes all organic everything as we see with the plants. Yes Joker gets a happy ending and there is peace for now until someone finds something to fight about which we will always do. But here is why it bugs me. What about those non space traveling civilizations who suddenly get up lifted. It reminds me of Star Trek’s prime directive. Is this a bad thing, we don’t know. Sovereign says because of the reapers they up lifted each cycle to take the path that the reapers wanted. I don’t like this, they should not have done that, nor should the Salarians have done it or even the Prothians. I pick destroy because it was wrong to create AI to begin with. I liked Legion a lot but sorry the Leviathan started this crap. I cure the genophage because it was wrong to do that to the Krogan who should never have been messed with in the first place. I do understand that even in real life we progress through discovery and yes the synth end is basically pushing progress forwards super fast to the point of Ascension like the Ancients from stargate. But that’s what I don’t like, what if we aren’t ready. It’s a matter of what you believe is right for you. I think AI being self aware is bad and my husband thinks all things that ask if they are alive should be allowed to live and forcing evolution forward is ok. Ugh, the Prime Directive. Yes, let’s let entire races die even though we can save them because of…reasons. The Federation are one of the most evil governments in science fiction. Even villain factions like the Galactic Empire are better than the Federation are. But okay, you chose Destroy because you’re a racist who doesn’t think certain kinds of people should be allowed to exist and would let countless other people die.
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Post by Guardian on Jul 1, 2021 6:26:59 GMT
So after watching husband do his green ending, I still don’t like it because it changes all organic everything as we see with the plants. Yes Joker gets a happy ending and there is peace for now until someone finds something to fight about which we will always do. But here is why it bugs me. What about those non space traveling civilizations who suddenly get up lifted. It reminds me of Star Trek’s prime directive. Is this a bad thing, we don’t know. Sovereign says because of the reapers they up lifted each cycle to take the path that the reapers wanted. I don’t like this, they should not have done that, nor should the Salarians have done it or even the Prothians. I pick destroy because it was wrong to create AI to begin with. I liked Legion a lot but sorry the Leviathan started this crap. I cure the genophage because it was wrong to do that to the Krogan who should never have been messed with in the first place. I do understand that even in real life we progress through discovery and yes the synth end is basically pushing progress forwards super fast to the point of Ascension like the Ancients from stargate. But that’s what I don’t like, what if we aren’t ready. It’s a matter of what you believe is right for you. I think AI being self aware is bad and my husband thinks all things that ask if they are alive should be allowed to live and forcing evolution forward is ok.
Another reason why I choose Destroy is because what is the point of being able to stop the Morning War if we're just going to be told by Starbrat, "That's nice and all, but with all due respect....." It's like...why even bother making it a thing we can do, if they're just going to ignore it? The fact it just goes, "Lolz....you stopped a thing that proves your point...don't care!"
I get both sides of the "forcing a choice on others" argument. But like you and others have pointed out - what if we're not ready for this "evolution"? With AI being self-aware, I fall into both camps on it. I look at someone like EDI and go, "Okay, she proves why we can give AI a chance." However, I look at someone like Ultron and that's...well....why I don't want to ever see robots, really.
And yes, the Genophage was wrong. The Turians realized their mistake; the Salarians, however, never do. I will just say that, in my opinion, I do think that Mordin was right - that if left unchecked, the Krogan might have been a problem. I think though it took Wrex to realize that things need to change. The Destroy ending holds the Geth and EDI hostage, which is done in order to make it look "bad" as a choice. Just some thoughts I had over the last couple of days.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 1, 2021 6:47:21 GMT
However, I look at someone like Ultron and that's...well....why I don't want to ever see robots, really. We could just as easily have an organic Ultron. Our own history is full of them. And we encounter multiple in the trilogy, like Balak or TIM or even Shepard themselves (multiple times).
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Post by bayni on Jul 1, 2021 6:53:34 GMT
So after watching husband do his green ending, I still don’t like it because it changes all organic everything as we see with the plants. Yes Joker gets a happy ending and there is peace for now until someone finds something to fight about which we will always do. But here is why it bugs me. What about those non space traveling civilizations who suddenly get up lifted. It reminds me of Star Trek’s prime directive. Is this a bad thing, we don’t know. Sovereign says because of the reapers they up lifted each cycle to take the path that the reapers wanted. I don’t like this, they should not have done that, nor should the Salarians have done it or even the Prothians. I pick destroy because it was wrong to create AI to begin with. I liked Legion a lot but sorry the Leviathan started this crap. I cure the genophage because it was wrong to do that to the Krogan who should never have been messed with in the first place. I do understand that even in real life we progress through discovery and yes the synth end is basically pushing progress forwards super fast to the point of Ascension like the Ancients from stargate. But that’s what I don’t like, what if we aren’t ready. It’s a matter of what you believe is right for you. I think AI being self aware is bad and my husband thinks all things that ask if they are alive should be allowed to live and forcing evolution forward is ok. Ugh, the Prime Directive. Yes, let’s let entire races die even though we can save them because of…reasons. The Federation are one of the most evil governments in science fiction. Even villain factions like the Galactic Empire are better than the Federation are. But okay, you chose Destroy because you’re a racist who doesn’t think certain kinds of people should be allowed to exist and would let countless other people die. You know… you have been a really hateful and angry person ever since I joined this forum and created this post. And so far I was cool with it since everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however calling me a Racist because I don’t think robots should be made self aware because in this game it’s proven to be a bad thing over and over, well that’s uncalled for. Honestly at this point I want to know what in your life has made you such an angry person and do you treat your real life friends this way or only people on the internet. I’m sorry to be all blunt and I guess rude back but this kind of behavior is the reason why I never bother with social media or forums.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 1, 2021 7:11:05 GMT
Ugh, the Prime Directive. Yes, let’s let entire races die even though we can save them because of…reasons. The Federation are one of the most evil governments in science fiction. Even villain factions like the Galactic Empire are better than the Federation are. But okay, you chose Destroy because you’re a racist who doesn’t think certain kinds of people should be allowed to exist and would let countless other people die. You know… you have been a really hateful and angry person ever since I joined this forum and created this post. And so far I was cool with it since everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however calling me a Racist because I don’t think robots should be made self aware because in this game it’s proven to be a bad thing over and over, well that’s uncalled for. Honestly at this point I want to know what in your life has made you such an angry person and do you treat your real life friends this way or only people on the internet. I’m sorry to be all blunt and I guess rude back but this kind of behavior is the reason why I never bother with social media or forums. It’s almost like I wasn’t actually calling you that and was just playful jabbing. Even in this thread earlier I said I don’t think people genuinely think that, and I worded that such full of hyperbole I thought it was obvious. My apologies if you thought that was genuine. On that topic of synthetics shouldn’t exist, how is it proven to be a bad thing over and over again?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 1, 2021 11:30:35 GMT
To what specifically? Who was shown to be forcibly altered from their original state? EVERY living thing...... Really? Jacob before was a massive arrogant ass hat who hates people and hates kids? Then Synthesis forcibly changed him into a caring individual who likes kids? I'm starting to rethink a reply I made to someone else about another topic. That said your continual references to nazi eugenics only makes me wonder if you actually understand what stupidity they were actually pushing. The bullshit occult mythos they tried to craft that was and still is sharply rejected by the actual facts of reality. And how this contrasts sharply with the Catalyst stating the inherent flaws of all organic life and the limitations of evolution between organic species and inorganic species creates an irreversible rift between organic and synthetic life. And that the only way to solve the under lying problem is for all races to be jumped forwards down the technological and evolutionary path to a point in time were that gulf has been reduced if not eliminated. At which point the fundamental problems are solved and all the races of the galaxy can continue onto the new stage of evolution. Or to put it much more simply nazi's say only white europeans are special and everyone else is fucked up. The Catalyst says everyone is fucked up and the only solution is to bring everyone forward together.
If you still don't understand the difference then you must have been one of those people who was on brock turner's side. Based on the logic that because two consenting adults touch each other's genitals. It means that it is the same as touching the genitals of a girl who is passed out behind a dumpster is equally fine. Because they both involve genital touching.
Bullsh*t. Technology is not a straight line. There are many paths to the same end. Accepting another's path blinds you to alternatives. Nazara — Sovereign — said this itself. "Your civilization is based upon the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire. Oh wow you actually are defending consensual sex and rape as the same thing because they both involve contact with another person's genitals and maybe some penetration of one or all people involved. This is starting to reach religious fundamentalist level logic here with you.
On top of that different paths can still result in the same location because basic physics says there is only so many ways to achieve the same thing. If physics say that you can't reach the speed of light because it requires an infinitely scaling magnitude of energy the closer you get to the speed of light then you need some way to alter the physics of reality to allow FTL travel. In the Mass Effect universe there is no subspace or slip-space or warp. No alternate dimension that uses different physics in that reality to allow the bypassing of the limits of light speed travel in our dimension. The only way to alter the physics of the world in the Mass Effect universe is though the manipulation of Dark Energy. Which is exactly what Element Zero does. Passing an electrical charge though it will create a dark energy fields that will manipulate the mass of the object within the field. Which is exactly how the Reaper created FLT drives work.
The only difference is that a species might develop this technology 100 years after becoming true space faring race. Or it could be 1,000 years later depending on their cosmological luck to either develop in a system with deposits of ezo to be found. Or when sending colony ships into the void of space they pick a system with ezo in it to be found.
In fact your misused quote from Legion actually proves the Catlyst's point about synthetics killing organics. Because science is not a video game skill tree it would be entirely possible to develop the Geth before the invention of FTL travel or even space travel. Which means without the Reapers and theire Relays and without FTL speed, the Quarians being sent out into the void of space with only sub light drives or being trapped on their home planet with no way to mass evacuate the Qurian race would die. Either quickly at the point of a Geth rifle or slowly in the void of space as fuel, water, food and repairs slowly causes ship failure and death.
To quote Dr. Strange
14 million possible paths races could take to stay alive long enough to naturally reach the technological development which would result in the same effect as synthesis. But only 1 out of 14 million actually allows the galaxy to reach that path. And deviations from that path results in death and destruction.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Jul 1, 2021 11:55:27 GMT
Really? Jacob before was a massive arrogant ass hat who hates people and hates kids? Then Synthesis forcibly changed him into a caring individual who likes kids? Just out of curiosity, would you consider changing a person's body/physical appearance without said person's consent as forcibly altering them? Or is it only when the mind is altered without consent, that you consider it forced alteration?
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Please. I agree with you sometimes Hanako. Your bitterness over time about DA makes you much more human to me. However, on this topic I have always disagreed with you. Almost 10 years later, same argument we're having. Neither of us seem to be affected by this internet hivemind you talk about. Curious really. Exactly my point. Despite being connected with it, we are still individuals. Hmmm, ok. This is a pretty big stretch, not sure it is a good analogy, but ok. I don't wish suffering on you. Seeing you suffer made us more similar than different, and this creates sympathy. My suffering as a Mass Effect fan is something you have lambasted for years. This is called irony. ETA: You do not understand the Prime Directive, and calling the Federation evil is edgelord doofus material. I actually thought you were better than that. There are fates worse than death. Synthesis is one of them. ETA2: Artificial Intelligence = Real Stupidity. Nothing we have currently approaches intelligence. All we have is artificial analysis by logical operators. Siri, Hey Google - it's all algorithm, and it simply works poorly. It is my opinion that AI is a pipe dream, and we will discover that we ourselves are code-based machinima before we ever make one.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 1, 2021 13:27:36 GMT
Oh wow you actually are defending consensual sex and rape as the same thing because they both involve contact with another person's genitals and maybe some penetration of one or all people involved. This is starting to reach religious fundamentalist level logic here with you. [/div] [/quote] I think I got brain damage reading that... The only way KNOWN. Once eezo and Mass Effect fields are discovered, they abandon any other lines of research. Just like the Reapers want, as Sovereign admitted. Or acting like a bunch of monkeys and build an enormous magic wand they have no idea wtf it does but let's turn it on and see what happens! Bioware:
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 1, 2021 13:36:40 GMT
Really? Jacob before was a massive arrogant ass hat who hates people and hates kids? Then Synthesis forcibly changed him into a caring individual who likes kids? Just out of curiosity, would you consider changing a person's body/physical appearance without said person's consent as forcibly altering them? Or is it only when the mind is altered without consent, that you consider it forced alteration? Mind because with sufficiently advanced technology the body becomes as easy to sculpt as clay. In fact in game the Alliance actually puts restrictions on the amount of genetic augmentation that people are allowed to get. Based on conversation on Noveria it is clear the Alliance genetically enhances all their soldiers meaning Shepard has been genetically enhanced beyond a base line human. Then there is fetal genetics that again are limited by the Alliance to the degree you can get but is still altering the genetics of an unborn fetus who can not consent to the procedure.
Had the technology been more available or had Joker's parents consented to it's use it would have prevented his brittle bone disease. Which could have drastically altered his life path so he never became a pilot. Was never assigned to the SR-1 and during the landing on Ilos his replacement in this new time line wasn't as skilled and fucks up killing Shepard. Which leaves Saren and Sovereign free to attack the Citadel and open the Relay.
However if before the start/during ME1 Jeff was given a permanent cure to his genetic condition he would still be the Joker we know. He would change a little naturally but the core of his personality would remain the same. He was shaped by his experiences growing up with his genetic condition and the issues and problems that came with it. Reversing his brittle bone disease wouldn't change those experiences and events that shaped him into the man he is. Any future changes as a result of this cure would be no different then someone getting really heavily into religion or video games or any other large lifestyle change that can happen to people without any sort of genetic manipulation.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Jul 1, 2021 14:47:24 GMT
Just out of curiosity, would you consider changing a person's body/physical appearance without said person's consent as forcibly altering them? Or is it only when the mind is altered without consent, that you consider it forced alteration? Mind because with sufficiently advanced technology the body becomes as easy to sculpt as clay.
So the fact that it is "easy" makes it not a forced alteration on someone even without their consent. Got it. Not too comforting, but at least I understand where you are coming from. I will I admit I tend to not read past the first few lines of your responses because you tend to get lost in circular logic.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 1, 2021 14:48:55 GMT
Mind because with sufficiently advanced technology the body becomes as easy to sculpt as clay.
So the fact that it is "easy" makes it not a forced alteration on someone even without their consent. Got it. Not too comforting, but at least I understand where you are coming from. I will I admit I tend to not read past the first few lines of your responses because you tend to get lost in circular logic. Yeah notice he sidestepped the whole "consent" question...
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I think I got brain damage reading that... Your the one repeatedly saying anything that is vaugly similar to genetics means it must be nazis not me. You didn't just invoke Godwin's Law you used it as the entire basis of your argument. So were is the proof of extra dimensions to be utilized? What other element has shown properties that allow you to manipulate physics? On top of that this argument also hinges on the idea that technological improvement suddenly stagnates with the discovery of mass effect field and that the technology found is already at it's ultimate peak and can not be improved any more. Both are incorrect as shown in game not only does the study of technology continue but the technology found can and is improved on or adapted as necessary. This is even more unintentionally hilarious when you realize the fact Legion stated this and yet continues to use the same mass effect technology the rest of the galaxy uses. They have had hundreds of years to research new branches of technology but keep using the same as the rest of the galaxy. Just modified or upgraded like any other race could do.
That is basically science in a nut shell. So the fact that it is "easy" makes it not a forced alteration on someone even without their consent. Got it. Not too comforting, but at least I understand where you are coming from. I will I admit I tend to not read past the first few lines of your responses because you tend to get lost in circular logic. How do fetuses consent to genetic manipulation to remove a health issue? Yeah notice he sidestepped the whole "consent" question... No I addressed it fairly specifically. The problem is that it conflicts with your very romanticized world view so you just can't see it. When did non combatant or surrendering Quarians consent to be killed by the Geth during the Morning War? Were was the consent of the Turian Colonies when they wanted to break away form the Hierarchy and the Hierarchy responded with violence to force them back into the fold at gun point? Were was the consent of the Krogan to release the Genophage on them? Were was the consent of the Geth to not allow the Reaper code upload? Or were was the consent of the Geth and EDI to be sacrificed destroying the Reapers? Were did the Batarians consent to the Alliance being given resource rich worlds that they needed? Were did the Turians on Palivan consent to all their military forces being pulled back and held in reserve for the Crucible? Were was the galaxy's consent if you refuse to make a choice thus dooming them all to be harvested?
This extends to history as well with countless laws or other actions. WW2 for example both allied and axis powers forcibly drafted people into their armies. Failure to accept the draft could end up with something as light as prison to labor camps. Consent was irrelevant. And while most nations have discontinued if not removed the draft entirly if there ever came a conflict were they needed bodies they would institute it again in a heart beat.
You guys really need to stop with this romanticizing of events in game and in the real world. Consent is and always has been both in the game universe and real life a luxury that has and will be taken away as soon as someone in power deems it is necessary.
To quote Javik
“Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls, and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.”
If I can save a trillion souls then their consent on the matter is irrelevant. They can be pissed at me. They can hate me. I can go down in history as the most vile entity that has ever existed. But the fact they are alive and thus able to hate me is all that matters. A trillion voices of hate is better then the silence of a trillion dead.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 1, 2021 20:30:06 GMT
I think I got brain damage reading that... Your the one repeatedly saying anything that is vaugly similar to genetics means it must be nazis not me. You didn't just invoke Godwin's Law you used it as the entire basis of your argument. You're not going to address the whole "against their will" and "informed consent" thing, are you? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. That is basically science in a nut shell. [/quote] One of the cornerstones of the Scientific Method is forming a hypothesis, and then testing it to ensure reproducible results. Science is NOT "Let's just put this thing together and cross our fingers it will actually do something" Now do every man, woman, child, varen, and blade of grass that gets the Green Space Magic treatment and has their, and their descendants, genetic structure forcibly changed without their knowledge or consent.[/div] Chilling. You can rationalize virtually any atrocity with that kind of logic [/div] "The relationship is symbiotic. Organic and machine intertwined. A union of flesh and steel. The strengths of both, and the weaknesses of neither. I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life. This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth."
Saren Like I said. Chilling...
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Change the user name to Ayn Rand, and it all fits into place.
Completely insane.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 2, 2021 0:59:40 GMT
Your the one repeatedly saying anything that is vaugly similar to genetics means it must be nazis not me. You didn't just invoke Godwin's Law you used it as the entire basis of your argument. You're not going to address the whole "against their will" and "informed consent" thing, are you? I mean I did.
Legion's statement about the paths of technology does hold a kernel of truth in it. But that doesn't mean you take is a literal religious gospel. Particularly when there is no proof and when the same group that makes the statement continues to exclusively use technology of Reaper origin rather then developing their own new technology that isn't based on Reaper tech.
How the fuck do you think science works?
No that question was directed at you and others who really obsess over consent to justify. I want to see the justification why Hackett isn't the worst person ever because he ordered the Fleets to abandon Sol leaving all those people still trapped in it to the mercy of the Reapers. Hackett made a call and millions of people died because of it who were never asked if they wanted this.
I agree the draft is an atrocity. That didn't stop it from happening and it won't stop it form happening again.
This is the nature of the world we live in. Like it or not.
So what does an indoctrinated puppet have to do with anything? Compared to Javik who literally witnessed his entire race and everything he knew be wiped out and left standing along among trillion in silence.
So is the idea of wiping out all synthetic life to save your own hide while yelling about consent like a massive hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 3:00:14 GMT
Sufficient technology, body easy to sculpt.
This is such a bullshit statement.
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Post by dragontartare on Jul 2, 2021 4:14:10 GMT
It’s almost like I wasn’t actually calling you that and was just playful jabbing. If you're going to call people racist as a joke (which...don't), then you have to give them some indication that you're joking. I thought you were being serious, too. Your usual posting style is already pretty intense, so I don't think that post read as full of hyperbole as you think it did. Use the smiley, or say j/k, or...something. It still may not be enough to smooth over calling someone a racist for no reason, but at least it'll be a bit clearer that you didn't mean it.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 2, 2021 11:08:23 GMT
Sufficient technology, body easy to sculpt. This is such a bullshit statement.
Close approximation of Shepard's corpse upon recovery
Shepard post resurrection:
Shepard post Med Bay Upgrade to remove scaring permanently:
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Jul 2, 2021 11:55:28 GMT
Sufficient technology, body easy to sculpt. This is such a bullshit statement.
Close approximation of Shepard's corpse upon recovery
Shepard post resurrection:
Shepard post Med Bay Upgrade to remove scaring permanently:
Shepard is your example of "Sufficient technology, body easy to sculpt"??? It take two years to restore Shepard. And according to Miranda and Wilson it was anything but easy, even with all their advance tech. It is considered a miracle, by the man who did most of the work to restore Shepard. Synthesis itself is the best example to support your...theory. A seemingly magical green energy explosion is able to spread throughout the entire galaxy and instantaneously rewrite every living thing's DNA not even causing them the slightest harm or discomfort, and no apparent complications. The "tech" behind the whole thing would put every other piece of ME tech to shame. But given all that, I think you missed the point/intent of the post you quoted.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 2, 2021 12:13:44 GMT
Close approximation of Shepard's corpse upon recovery
Shepard post resurrection:
Shepard post Med Bay Upgrade to remove scaring permanently:
Shepard is your example of "Sufficient technology, body easy to sculpt"??? It take two years to restore Shepard. And according to Miranda and Wilson it was anything but easy, even with all their advance tech. It is considered a miracle, by the man who did most of the work to restore Shepard. And what about 100 years from this point? 200 years from this point? 500 years from this point?
Is your argument that all scientific advancements have stopped in the Mass Effect Universe?
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Jul 2, 2021 12:16:49 GMT
Shepard is your example of "Sufficient technology, body easy to sculpt"??? It take two years to restore Shepard. And according to Miranda and Wilson it was anything but easy, even with all their advance tech. It is considered a miracle, by the man who did most of the work to restore Shepard. And what about 100 years from this point? 200 years from this point? 500 years from this point?
Is your argument that all scientific advancements have stopped in the Mass Effect Universe?
I just gave you the best example of your supposed theory within the existing ME universe in my previous post. Why jump forward in time, you have the "magical" tech that causes the synthesis ending already present that "re-sculpts" every living thing's physical body.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 2, 2021 12:55:00 GMT
And what about 100 years from this point? 200 years from this point? 500 years from this point?
Is your argument that all scientific advancements have stopped in the Mass Effect Universe?
I just gave you the best example of your supposed theory within the existing ME universe in my previous post. Why jump forward in time, you have the "magical" tech that causes the synthesis ending already present. You have argued that Shepard's revival was considered a miracle by modern technology. But what about technology 100 years in the future? 200 years? 500 years? The techniques used to revive Shepard being studied. New possible avenues or ideas being found and tested. Advancing of general technology but also medical technology making the work less and less a miracle.
The first recorded surgery on the heart was done in 1895 to stop a stab wound. The patient died 3 days later of meningitis. In 1925 Henry Souttar performed the first heart valve surgery and the patient survived for years. 1944 the first pediatric cardiac surgery was done to a 1 year old girl. In the 1950's doctors and scientists created the cardiopulmonary bypass and the first open heart surgery to utilize it was done in 1952. As they found a stationary heart was easier and quicker to perform surgery on so they found a way to bypass the heart allowing to to be stopped while keeping the patient alive. In 1990 another advancement was made with off-pump coronary artery bypass to avoid the time limit issues of cardiopulmonary bypass and it allows the heart to be stabilized so surgery can be performed on it as if it is not beating.
In 1945 Nikolai Sinitsyn successful transplanted a heart from one frog to another and one dog to another. The first adult and pediactric human heart transplant was done in 1967 by Christiaan Barnard and Adrian Kantrowitz respective.
There was only a 72 year gap between first recorded surgery on a human heart. To having a heart transplanted from one human to another and surviving for years. And as medical technology has advanced the mortality rate from these surgeries has dropped.
So I ask again is your argument that all science has stopped and will never advance any further then it is now in the Mass Effect universe no matter how much time has passed?
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