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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 8, 2021 23:21:56 GMT
As title, list who do you think are the strongest and weakest squadmates lore wise and why (top 3 of each would suffice). Imo
Strongest: 1. Javik, avatar of vengeance, leader of a million warriors, out of all the protheans put into stasis in that bunker he was seen as the most important. Elite soldier and a very powerful biotic. Basically 50,000 year old upgraded shepard (combat wise).
2. Wrex, killed a threasher maw on foot and alone, almost 1000 years old krogan battlemaster, feared by other krogan for his combat abilities. Became a leader of a tribe in his youth by killing his father (who was the current head) in a botched assassination attempt. When you meet him he is much older, wiser and more experienced.
3. Samara, almost 1000 years old with much of that time spent in combat situations, usually hunting powerful biotics on her own. Asari are among the most powerful biotics and she is considerd elite.
Weakest: (1 is a tie for me between Ashley and James)
1.James Vega, big dumb basic soldier who almost got wrekd by an average blood pack krogan and had to be saved. Nothing particularly stands out for him, he's muscular but has average human strength, no biotic abilities and no other stand out skills.
1.Ashley Williams, basically a female version of James, relatively experienced soldier but certainly not a seasoned veteran, no biotics and not elite combat abilities.
2. Kasumi goto, stronger than Ashley/James because she is more cunning and would set traps/ambushes, also quite agile as we saw against Hawk but still she is a master thief not a combat specialist.
3. Tali, intelligent, resourceful and has some combat experience, particularly against geth. Had she remained the same as she did when you first meet her then she would be the weakest but I think her character (along with possibly Garrus) have developed the most accross the 3 games, by the second game she is leading small Quarian squads, is far more confident and clearly has become more proficient in combat.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 9, 2021 0:10:03 GMT
Not reall ysure lore wise but for me the 3 strongest companions in the game combat wise aer the 2 krogan Wrex and Grunt as they definitely tend to keep the enemy off me when I play and James. The ones that tend to get taken out the most of m ycompanions are probably Garrus and Ashley. I have lost Kasumi a few times in ME2 as well so I'd add her to that list.
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Post by shotgunjulia on Aug 9, 2021 2:04:23 GMT
Not reall ysure lore wise but for me the 3 strongest companions in the game combat wise aer the 2 krogan Wrex and Grunt as they definitely tend to keep the enemy off me when I play and James. The ones that tend to get taken out the most of m ycompanions are probably Garrus and Ashley. I have lost Kasumi a few times in ME2 as well so I'd add her to that list. You know that Turians can't keep their heads down.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 9, 2021 2:50:18 GMT
Not reall ysure lore wise but for me the 3 strongest companions in the game combat wise aer the 2 krogan Wrex and Grunt as they definitely tend to keep the enemy off me when I play and James. The ones that tend to get taken out the most of m ycompanions are probably Garrus and Ashley. I have lost Kasumi a few times in ME2 as well so I'd add her to that list. You know that Turians can't keep their heads down. The ymake awesome snipers though and the yhave a knack for calibrating weapons.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 9, 2021 7:09:13 GMT
Not reall ysure lore wise but for me the 3 strongest companions in the game combat wise aer the 2 krogan Wrex and Grunt as they definitely tend to keep the enemy off me when I play and James. The ones that tend to get taken out the most of m ycompanions are probably Garrus and Ashley. I have lost Kasumi a few times in ME2 as well so I'd add her to that list. I'm looking for only lore wise, in-game its a completely different thing. I dont think anyone is as powerful as ME1 Liara and Wrex (biotics are broken in ME1).
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Post by Kabraxal on Aug 9, 2021 8:30:13 GMT
Lore wise?
Jack, Miri, or Samara.. Jack and Samara are biotic gods and Miri is a biotic tech specialist. No squaddies really match them, thougg Aria may enter the conversation based on Omega.
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Post by Sonya on Aug 9, 2021 10:37:44 GMT
Strongest? Allowered myself to choose 4.
1. Aria/Javik: considering their military experience, attitude to everyone and everything and actual understanding what war requires.
2. Morinth: managed to survive for how long? Using her special talents. Good for her.
3. Wrex: battlemaster. Proved himself as the strongest among others, became a leader, killed the Maw on his own.
Weakest?
1. Tali: in ME1 she helped with evidence, but that is all about her. Unstable element.
Can't think of any other as "weak".
-- Side note: would have added Samara as "strongest", but because of her code she turns into "weak". These restrictions make her weak. Her code was used against her as well - in ME2 she tells about chasing our turian ME1 spectre who was clever to use her own code against her and continue his business. Who knows how many such cases happened? Thus: remove the code and Samara is from the category "strongest".
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 9, 2021 15:09:28 GMT
Lore wise? Jack, Miri, or Samara.. Jack and Samara are biotic gods and Miri is a biotic tech specialist. No squaddies really match them, thougg Aria may enter the conversation based on Omega. Nah Jack and Miranda are strong biotically for humans, not sure if they compare to the strongest asari, certainly not as strong as Samara and some of the asari matriachs imo. Biotic krogan trumps them as well and the African prothean stands atop as the apex predator, his people essentially dominated these lessor races and he specifically is among the most powerful combat wise of his people (potentially the most powerful given what he is an avatar of)
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 9, 2021 15:41:17 GMT
Strongest? Allowered myself to choose 4. 1. Aria/Javik: considering their military experience, attitude to everyone and everything and actual understanding what war requires. 2. Morinth: managed to survive for how long? Using her special talents. Good for her. 3. Wrex: battlemaster. Proved himself as the strongest among others, became a leader, killed the Maw on his own. Weakest? 1. Tali: in ME1 she helped with evidence, but that is all about her. Unstable element. Can't think of any other as "weak". -- Side note: would have added Samara as "strongest", but because of her code she turns into "weak". These restrictions make her weak. Her code was used against her as well - in ME2 she tells about chasing our turian ME1 spectre who was clever to use her own code against her and continue his business. Who knows how many such cases happened? Thus: remove the code and Samara is from the category "strongest". Aria got tricked and lost omega to Cerberus then came running to the citadel for help, she is a brutal leader and clearly proficient with her biotic abilities but I'm not sure she is the same level as Wrex or Javik, certainly not as savvy as Wrex who got ambushed by his own father, lost all his best men but still managed to turn the tides and kill his enemies. Or the time his instincts told him not to wait around when he worked for Saren. I dont think anyone tops Javik for experience given the scale of army he had and the enemy he was up against, he was basically a field marshal from the sounds of things. He was born and raised with the sole purpose of combat and being a military leader. The Samara point is interesting though
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Post by steppinrazor on Aug 10, 2021 2:48:18 GMT
Wow, I never even realized Javik is the Shep of his cycle. Mind, blown.
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Post by steppinrazor on Aug 10, 2021 2:49:28 GMT
And maybe not ability wise one of the strongest, but Zaeed is def one of the toughest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 14:01:08 GMT
Defining strongest as being the strongest of character, not combat abilities:
Strongest - Wrex: You don't survive more than 1,000 years as a lone-wolf merc in an openly hostile galaxy that has it in for your species without being super strong, both mentally and physically. That he also unites the Krogan clans and initiates the beginnings of a new renaissance for his people (along with Bakara at his side, of course), is just icing on the cake.
Weakest - Samara: Mommy dearest who couldn't face the tragedy of bearing Ardat-Yakshi children and adopted a black and white code rather than deal with all the "gray" problems in her life. ME3 reveals just how weak she really is as she puts a gun to her head even though it is her daughter who has just lost both her sister and her home. Falare, is much stronger in character.... who doesn't need a monastery to follow her own code... and overcome being an Ardat-Yakshi.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 10, 2021 19:17:56 GMT
And maybe not ability wise one of the strongest, but Zaeed is def one of the toughest. Yeah Zaeed is a grizzly vet, definitely one of the tougher squadmates
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 10, 2021 19:21:09 GMT
Would add Mordin as among the weakest, combat wise. Yes, he was working for STG but he's mainly a scientist.
Jacob, Ash, James and ME1 Garrus are basically just standard soldiers (ok, Jacob is a biotic but he doesn't seem to be exceptionally strong like Kaidan, at lest that's my impression). So among the squad mates, they the few that do not have any inate remarkable abilities.
Liara, similar to Mordin should also be weak since she also is a scientist first. However, she is the strongest biotic squad mate you can get, so her gameplay doesn't quite fit with her lore in ME1.
Strongest: Definitely Wrex. Krogan battlemaster, probably centuries of combat experience. He should qipe the floor qith pretty much everyone else. Samara should also have a lot of experience and her combat biotic should actually be way better than Liara's in principle. Thane should be super effective, having been trained from childhood. Grunt, basically the krogan Miranda, need I say more. EDI turns out to be a bit less impressive than EVA in that body.
Those are the main ones that come to mind. The rest are somewhere in the middle.
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Post by steppinrazor on Aug 11, 2021 2:18:53 GMT
We saw Thane take down like three guys super quick in his first appearance. That was super badass, and he knows the quickest way to kill each species.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 11, 2021 3:46:56 GMT
Would add Mordin as among the weakest, combat wise. Yes, he was working for STG but he's mainly a scientist. Jacob, Ash, James and ME1 Garrus are basically just standard soldiers (ok, Jacob is a biotic but he doesn't seem to be exceptionally strong like Kaidan, at lest that's my impression). So among the squad mates, they the few that do not have any inate remarkable abilities. Liara, similar to Mordin should also be weak since she also is a scientist first. However, she is the strongest biotic squad mate you can get, so her gameplay doesn't quite fit with her lore in ME1. Strongest: Definitely Wrex. Krogan battlemaster, probably centuries of combat experience. He should qipe the floor qith pretty much everyone else. Samara should also have a lot of experience and her combat biotic should actually be way better than Liara's in principle. Thane should be super effective, having been trained from childhood. Grunt, basically the krogan Miranda, need I say more. EDI turns out to be a bit less impressive than EVA in that body. Those are the main ones that come to mind. The rest are somewhere in the middle. Would have Garrus above Jacob, Ashley and James and even Kaiden tbh (even ME1 but especially the ME2/ME3 Garrus). He was a potential candidate for the spectre program and only dropped out because his father didnt approve. He also showed he was quite smart in the way he held off those gangs on omega (pretty much solo's wave after wave of mercs and even damaged a gunship. Would put him above them because even though he has no biotic powers, he is a better solider and a lethal with a sniper
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Post by talyn82 on Aug 11, 2021 5:22:55 GMT
Would add Mordin as among the weakest, combat wise. Yes, he was working for STG but he's mainly a scientist. Jacob, Ash, James and ME1 Garrus are basically just standard soldiers (ok, Jacob is a biotic but he doesn't seem to be exceptionally strong like Kaidan, at lest that's my impression). So among the squad mates, they the few that do not have any inate remarkable abilities. Liara, similar to Mordin should also be weak since she also is a scientist first. However, she is the strongest biotic squad mate you can get, so her gameplay doesn't quite fit with her lore in ME1. Strongest: Definitely Wrex. Krogan battlemaster, probably centuries of combat experience. He should qipe the floor qith pretty much everyone else. Samara should also have a lot of experience and her combat biotic should actually be way better than Liara's in principle. Thane should be super effective, having been trained from childhood. Grunt, basically the krogan Miranda, need I say more. EDI turns out to be a bit less impressive than EVA in that body. Those are the main ones that come to mind. The rest are somewhere in the middle. You shouldn't discount Liara because she is an archeologist. All Asari are trained in biotics from a young age according to what she says, after saving the students at the Grissom Academy. Some Asari are more powerful than others, like Samara for example is more powerful than Liara due to her age and experience. Likewise the Matriach Benezia was more powerful than Samara.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 11, 2021 8:57:44 GMT
Would add Mordin as among the weakest, combat wise. Yes, he was working for STG but he's mainly a scientist. Jacob, Ash, James and ME1 Garrus are basically just standard soldiers (ok, Jacob is a biotic but he doesn't seem to be exceptionally strong like Kaidan, at lest that's my impression). So among the squad mates, they the few that do not have any inate remarkable abilities. Liara, similar to Mordin should also be weak since she also is a scientist first. However, she is the strongest biotic squad mate you can get, so her gameplay doesn't quite fit with her lore in ME1. Strongest: Definitely Wrex. Krogan battlemaster, probably centuries of combat experience. He should qipe the floor qith pretty much everyone else. Samara should also have a lot of experience and her combat biotic should actually be way better than Liara's in principle. Thane should be super effective, having been trained from childhood. Grunt, basically the krogan Miranda, need I say more. EDI turns out to be a bit less impressive than EVA in that body. Those are the main ones that come to mind. The rest are somewhere in the middle. You shouldn't discount Liara because she is an archeologist. All Asari are trained in biotics from a young age according to what she says, after saving the students at the Grissom Academy. Some Asari are more powerful than others, like Samara for example is more powerful than Liara due to her age and experience. Likewise the Matriach Benezia was more powerful than Samara. Based on what though? Their both Matriachs according to the lore and most of the Benezia fight is her sending waves of asari commandos and geth to fight you, she does very little fighting herself.Her background see to be that she was teaching religion and philosophy and was seen as a spiritual leader to other asari (she wasn't a Matriach specialised in combat). Samara on the other hand is also at Matriach stage and has been fighting since she was young (according to the lore she was part of a merc group as a young asari and ended up wiping out the whole group when she found out they were selling slaves to the collectors). Since then she joined the Justicars and alone has been hunting some of the most powerful biotics, the fact that she has been doing this for several hundred years and is still alive speaks volumes for her combat abilities.
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Would have Garrus above Jacob, Ashley and James and even Kaiden tbh (even ME1 but especially the ME2/ME3 Garrus). He was a potential candidate for the spectre program and only dropped out because his father didnt approve. He also showed he was quite smart in the way he held off those gangs on omega (pretty much solo's wave after wave of mercs and even damaged a gunship. Would put him above them because even though he has no biotic powers, he is a better solider and a lethal with a sniper Garrus isn't that great. He proves that in ME2 if his loyalty mission isn't completed. For a character that was in the turian military for however long, on the long list of being a potential candidate to be a spectre, and then working for C-sec for however long to let a distraction cause him to loose focus leading to either his death or another character's death is pathetic at best. As far as holding off those gangs. It was more the keystone cops led by dumb, dumber and dumbest. On his recruiting mission, if Shepard doesn't do anything after Garm enters, Vakarian, for some reason, continues to use the sniper rifle instead of switching to a pistol or assault weapon when the krogan is at close range. Eventually Garrus is killed.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 11, 2021 14:35:29 GMT
Would have Garrus above Jacob, Ashley and James and even Kaiden tbh (even ME1 but especially the ME2/ME3 Garrus). He was a potential candidate for the spectre program and only dropped out because his father didnt approve. He also showed he was quite smart in the way he held off those gangs on omega (pretty much solo's wave after wave of mercs and even damaged a gunship. Would put him above them because even though he has no biotic powers, he is a better solider and a lethal with a sniper Garrus isn't that great. He proves that in ME2 if his loyalty mission isn't completed. For a character that was in the turian military for however long, on the long list of being a potential candidate to be a spectre, and then working for C-sec for however long to let a distraction cause him to loose focus leading to either his death or another character's death is pathetic at best. As far as holding off those gangs. It was more the keystone cops led by dumb, dumber and dumbest. On his recruiting mission, if Shepard doesn't do anything after Garm enters, Vakarian, for some reason, continues to use the sniper rifle instead of switching to a pistol or assault weapon when the krogan is at close range. Eventually Garrus is killed. Still have him above Ashley,James and Jacob
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Garrus isn't that great. He proves that in ME2 if his loyalty mission isn't completed. For a character that was in the turian military for however long, on the long list of being a potential candidate to be a spectre, and then working for C-sec for however long to let a distraction cause him to loose focus leading to either his death or another character's death is pathetic at best. As far as holding off those gangs. It was more the keystone cops led by dumb, dumber and dumbest. On his recruiting mission, if Shepard doesn't do anything after Garm enters, Vakarian, for some reason, continues to use the sniper rifle instead of switching to a pistol or assault weapon when the krogan is at close range. Eventually Garrus is killed. Still have him above Ashley,James and Jacob Garrus is a sniper... he needs to be somewhat stealthy, smart and have great aim. He doesn't need to be strong and doesn't have any biotic abilities. As a Turian who "doesn't know how to duck," he's ill-suited to the role he has in lore. I'd put him below James, who is a tanky, melee-based soldier with a shotgun and, therefore, requires some physical strength in lore to fulfill that role. Likewise, Ashley has melee combat training (she describes herself in ME1 as a "straight-up puncher"); therefore, she also must have some physical strength in lore... also it's the soldiers who need to be strong enough to pack the full set of weapons).
This is the issue I have with this topic... the definition of what you mean by "strongest" and "weakest" keeps changing.
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Post by skekSil on Aug 11, 2021 16:44:00 GMT
I think people underestimate Mordin, he served in STG so is bound to know a few tricks dirty enough to clog a quarian's suit filter. After all he fucked with Aria... in more ways than one. And survived.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 11, 2021 17:14:42 GMT
Still have him above Ashley,James and Jacob Garrus is a sniper... he needs to be somewhat stealthy, smart and have great aim. He doesn't need to be strong and doesn't have any biotic abilities. As a Turian who "doesn't know how to duck," he's ill-suited to the role he has in lore. I'd put him below James, who is a tanky, melee-based soldier with a shotgun and, therefore, requires some physical strength in lore to fulfill that role. Likewise, Ashley has melee combat training (she describes herself in ME1 as a "straight-up puncher"); therefore, she also must have some physical strength in lore... also it's the soldiers who need to be strong enough to pack the full set of weapons).
This is the issue I have with this topic... the definition of what you mean by "strongest" and "weakest" keeps changing.
Garrus isn't a sniper, being good at sniping doesn't make you a sniper. He was a c-sec operative and before that part of the Turian military. He mentions in ME2 that they would often do hand-to-hand sparring on Turian ships before a battle which he excelled in. "Actually, she and I were the two best hand to hand combatants on the ship". Strongest/weakest based on lore like I said...I have given some pretty clear examples like physical combat capabilities,biotics, abilities with weapons, intelligence in combat situations (which includes being cunning, setting up traps which is why I had Kasumi higher than some people...). You could argue one point as to why you believe someone is strongest/weakest if you wanted like Grunt being extremely powerful in terms of strength and size even for a Krogan his age, its a subjective topic and not a particularly serious one either
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 11, 2021 17:16:40 GMT
I think people underestimate Mordin, he served in STG so is bound to know a few tricks dirty enough to clog a quarian's suit filter. After all he fucked with Aria... in more ways than one. And survived. Yeah the gangs in omega were keeping clear of him, he is basically Salarian special forces.
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Garrus is a sniper... he needs to be somewhat stealthy, smart and have great aim. He doesn't need to be strong and doesn't have any biotic abilities. As a Turian who "doesn't know how to duck," he's ill-suited to the role he has in lore. I'd put him below James, who is a tanky, melee-based soldier with a shotgun and, therefore, requires some physical strength in lore to fulfill that role. Likewise, Ashley has melee combat training (she describes herself in ME1 as a "straight-up puncher"); therefore, she also must have some physical strength in lore... also it's the soldiers who need to be strong enough to pack the full set of weapons).
This is the issue I have with this topic... the definition of what you mean by "strongest" and "weakest" keeps changing.
Garrus isn't a sniper, being good at sniping doesn't make you a sniper. He was a c-sec operative and before that part of the Turian military. He mentions in ME2 that they would often do hand-to-hand sparring on Turian ships before a battle which he excelled in. "Actually, she and I were the two best hand to hand combatants on the ship". Strongest/weakest based on lore like I said...I have given some pretty clear examples like physical combat capabilities,biotics, abilities with weapons, intelligence in combat situations (which includes being cunning, setting up traps which is why I had Kasumi higher than some people...). You could argue one point as to why you believe someone is strongest/weakest if you wanted like Grunt being extremely powerful in terms of strength and size even for a Krogan his age, its a subjective topic and not a particularly serious one either He had "reach" and she had "flexibility" - Lore does not say either was necessarily the "strongest" combatants on the ship. The thing is that each squadmate, lore-wise, has specific talents. They are all the best at something... and are not so good at other things. Tali is the "strongest" engineer. Kasumi is the "strongest" stealth operative. Lore-wise... Garrus' strength IS sniping. James , lore-wise, has physical strength and is probably the "strongest" human physically... according to lore... "check out these guns" and can do 182 chin-ups... although both Krogan (being 800 lbs) are stronger physically than any of the other species. We don't really know, lore-wise, whether Wrex or Grunt is physically stronger... because they don't really get a chance to square off against each other at the Citadel DLC party... again... all according to the LORE.
If you're boosting Garrus up the list just because he was Turian military... Nyreen Kandros should be up there on the list as well... plus she has the added strength of being biotic.
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