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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 27, 2021 18:24:07 GMT
That wasn't the case with ME3. None of the new characters get killed off. No, you mistook my meaning. Adia was comparing the clout of losing Dorian or Varric with Mordin. New players to ME3 wouldn't have the same emotional attachment to him but I suggested there was a better chance of new players buying all three games and playing them in order. Naturally, if someone played ME3 without playing the other two first, then Mordin would mean no more to them than the characters who were new to the franchise, like Vega, Traynor, etc. With DA4 it is such a long time between games that new players might plunge straight in rather than play the other 3 first, so they would have no emotional connection with previous characters. So if the idea of the writers was to put players through the emotional wringer, they might just as well opt for a new character as a returning one.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 27, 2021 18:31:56 GMT
I really don´t think and hope that Cullen won´t kill off in DA 4. Greg Ellis is only his english voice actor and his french & german counterparts seems to be pretty nice guys. Cullen has absolutely no reason to be in DA4 and is ruled out because whilst he can be happily married or running an old Templars' home, he can also be dead having succumbed to lyrium addiction and been given a merciful death by one of his old friends.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 27, 2021 18:32:50 GMT
Thinking of popularity and suprise character changes. I do have to think of Cullen. Immensely popular in the fandom and with Bioware? Check. Surprise character bleach in DAI? Check. I really don´t think and hope that Cullen won´t kill off in DA 4. Greg Ellis is only his english voice actor and his french & german counterparts seems to be pretty nice guys. I wasn't talking about Ellis, though I guess potential issues with the games' "default" language VA could have more influence than the ones hired for localisation. I was speaking purely from the point of killing a character who is popular. And one who got character assassinated in a sense with DAI, with apparently everyone (except Sera) trying to bend over backwards to insist he's totes changed 180 degrees, even though he is merely on the way and still acts quite a lot like in DA2. Also, his arc is done, giving that he can either die form lyrium if I recall right or run his retirement project.
Edit: Whoops, ninja'd.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 27, 2021 18:42:38 GMT
So yeah i don´t believe that Calpernia would work with them again because of their views of slaves. If she is associating with those characters we saw in Tevinter Nights then I would lose all respect for her. However, the fact there was no mention of her among the leading figures in that book suggests that either she will not be returning or she could be returning under a different name, now in opposition to her former allies. Calpernia was not her real name but only one she adopted to conceal her true identity. That being the case, she could do the same again to fool the Venatori. Even if she doesn't return, her network of freed slaves, who were loyal to her alone so would not continue in the Venatori without her, could still feature, either as the anti-slavery movement or the supporters of the Viper we were introduced to in that short story (assuming they were two different factions rather than the same)
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 27, 2021 18:53:55 GMT
That wasn't the case with ME3. None of the new characters get killed off. No, you mistook my meaning. Adia was comparing the clout of losing Dorian or Varric with Mordin. New players to ME3 wouldn't have the same emotional attachment to him but I suggested there was a better chance of new players buying all three games and playing them in order. Naturally, if someone played ME3 without playing the other two first, then Mordin would mean no more to them than the characters who were new to the franchise, like Vega, Traynor, etc. With DA4 it is such a long time between games that new players might plunge straight in rather than play the other 3 first, so they would have no emotional connection with previous characters. So if the idea of the writers was to put players through the emotional wringer, they might just as well opt for a new character as a returning one. I understand what you mean. But only 50% of ME3's playerbase had played ME2 at the time and only 50% of ME2's playerbase had played ME1, at the time of their respective releases. Unless Bioware is banking on more than 50% of its DA4 playerbase being new players, good luck with that btw, I don't see it as comparable.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 27, 2021 18:55:11 GMT
I may be wrong, but the elf looking up to the idol because of the dream told it so to the Cartha Dwarf, so could easily have been a lie, or just an ommission, since Solas may have given instruction by dream. You could be right, as I say I can't check at present, but he definitely was connected with Solas' group because they called him "brother" and assigned his soul to the protection of the Dread Wolf. That bit surprised me. It suggested that the Dalish idea of Fen'Harel prowling the Fade wasn't totally fanciful. I am becoming more inclined to the idea that Fen'Harel is the spirit you encounter in the Fade and is the alter ego of Solas who is now lives solely in the Waking World. Essentially Fen'Harel is his soul, which is why it now manifests as a wolf/dragon hybrid because he absorbed (part of) the soul of Mythal as well. This would make sense considering most modern elves seem to be missing something, which is presumably their elven soul, and also mages made tranquil seem to be cut off from some important aspect of their being. That could well be what the Dread Wolf Rising picture was depicting.
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Post by yarus on Aug 30, 2021 16:10:49 GMT
I really don´t think and hope that Cullen won´t kill off in DA 4. Greg Ellis is only his english voice actor and his french & german counterparts seems to be pretty nice guys. I wasn't talking about Ellis, though I guess potential issues with the games' "default" language VA could have more influence than the ones hired for localisation. I was speaking purely from the point of killing a character who is popular. And one who got character assassinated in a sense with DAI, with apparently everyone (except Sera) trying to bend over backwards to insist he's totes changed 180 degrees, even though he is merely on the way and still acts quite a lot like in DA2. Also, his arc is done, giving that he can either die form lyrium if I recall right or run his retirement project.
Edit: Whoops, ninja'd.
DAI ruined Cullen. Say what you want about Broken Circle / DA2 Cullen but that character was interesting. He had flaws, was a shitty person, and even though the final quest had him act a bit stupidly he was a character in the first 2 games. DAI just made him into a husbando with the personality of a plank of wood, and it removed the ability for the player to disagree with him.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 2, 2021 11:47:05 GMT
I wasn't talking about Ellis, though I guess potential issues with the games' "default" language VA could have more influence than the ones hired for localisation. I was speaking purely from the point of killing a character who is popular. And one who got character assassinated in a sense with DAI, with apparently everyone (except Sera) trying to bend over backwards to insist he's totes changed 180 degrees, even though he is merely on the way and still acts quite a lot like in DA2. Also, his arc is done, giving that he can either die form lyrium if I recall right or run his retirement project.
Edit: Whoops, ninja'd.
DAI ruined Cullen. Say what you want about Broken Circle / DA2 Cullen but that character was interesting. He had flaws, was a shitty person, and even though the final quest had him act a bit stupidly he was a character in the first 2 games. DAI just made him into a husbando with the personality of a plank of wood, and it removed the ability for the player to disagree with him. I disagreed with him alot and said so in the game. Their is plenty of times that you can say the equivilant of "mages are not bad" and if your a mage you can flat out say "do you have a problem with me?"
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Post by duskwanderer on Sept 2, 2021 15:58:20 GMT
You are capable of disagreeing with Cullen.
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Post by duskwanderer on Sept 2, 2021 15:59:01 GMT
That wasn't the case with ME3. None of the new characters get killed off. No, you mistook my meaning. Adia was comparing the clout of losing Dorian or Varric with Mordin. New players to ME3 wouldn't have the same emotional attachment to him but I suggested there was a better chance of new players buying all three games and playing them in order. Naturally, if someone played ME3 without playing the other two first, then Mordin would mean no more to them than the characters who were new to the franchise, like Vega, Traynor, etc. With DA4 it is such a long time between games that new players might plunge straight in rather than play the other 3 first, so they would have no emotional connection with previous characters. So if the idea of the writers was to put players through the emotional wringer, they might just as well opt for a new character as a returning one. You kill Mordin? Blasphemy! I spare him, and enjoy the better dialogue.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 4, 2022 17:32:07 GMT
Varrics last line: We´re the only ones who can stop him" does more and more sound that he play a way more active role in DAD which fans have hoped for. Jeez i really like Varric as a character but come on you can´t use him for 3 main games as companion.
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Post by mattjamho on Dec 4, 2022 18:10:35 GMT
So more of Varric, which means he’s a larger presence in game.
I think it’s been suggested before, but I can definitely see him as our financier. Sort of like a good-guy version of The Illusitive man, he’s paying us a ton (with the Inquisition’s coffers at his disposal) for one big contract on Solas, whatever that entails. You have to put together a group of specialists, and track down magical McGuffins to stop him. All this while northern Thedas is at war.
I think this will finally be the game he meets his end, taking down The Dread Wolf.
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Post by LonerAngel on Dec 4, 2022 19:21:00 GMT
I doubt Varric will be a companion. He will most likely be more of an advisor maybe give us some of our missions, stuff like that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2022 21:40:45 GMT
This newest video definitely gave Varric Duncan vibes, so he’ll probably die early in the game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 11:21:45 GMT
This newest video definitely gave Varric Duncan vibes, so he’ll probably die early in the game. Wishful thinking.
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Post by saandrig on Dec 5, 2022 11:45:03 GMT
This newest video definitely gave Varric Duncan vibes, so he’ll probably die early in the game. Varric: Then I died. "Camera pans to Cassandra looking at him angrily."
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2022 17:24:32 GMT
This newest video definitely gave Varric Duncan vibes, so he’ll probably die early in the game. Wishful thinking. Eh not really, unless they allow us to not mourn him like we could with Duncan but I fear they’ll make it a big driving force for the protagonist.
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Post by Silvery on Dec 5, 2022 18:47:59 GMT
Varrics last line: We´re the only ones who can stop him" does more and more sound that he play a way more active role in DAD which fans have hoped for. Jeez i really like Varric as a character but come on you can´t use him for 3 main games as companion. I could see Varric returning for a cameo bit for a mission or two but I'd hope he would just stick to that minor role given that he has been a companion the last two games and is now Viscount, so he would be to busy to be an advisor or at least an always present one in the way that the trio from Inquisition were. He makes perfect sense to be the 'narrator' for DA though regardless of how involved in DA:D he will be. Also, the only Bioware characters to be companions in three games are Garrus and Tali. It would be unprecedented for Varric, more so since he is the only DA character through three games to even be a companion twice. Closest seconds are Anders (companion in Awakening DLC and II) and Leliana (companion in Origins and advisor in Inquisition).
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2022 19:27:47 GMT
I could see Varric returning for a cameo bit for a mission or two but I'd hope he would just stick to that minor role given that he has been a companion the last two games and is now Viscount, so he would be to busy to be an advisor or at least an always present one in the way that the trio from Inquisition were. Do i personal wish that you are right? I do but this won´t happened sorry the bare minimum would be a screentime of DAI Morrigan who would also been used for Marketig before. Sorry but the Varric lines: "We´re the only ones who can stop him" and most importantly from the previous teaser trailer "We´ve got your back. I´ve got your back" makes it pretty clear that Varric will have pretty prominent role in Dreadwolf. To say "I´ve got your back" just for a small cameo or as a small quest giver doesn´t make any sense. You can make an argument for Liara if you want count her DLC as well. Don´t forget Oghren but in my opinion Awakening as Addon / Expansion isn´t the same as a full game so it isn´t not completely comparable.
The worse part if Varric returns for a third time is that we won´t have another male dwarf in the party. Maybe if we are really lucky we get a female dwarven warrior but maybe not and the dwarven companion since DA 2 is Varric. Also its pretty bad that we only had besides Sigrun in the Addon Awakening Oghren and Varric. DAO and DAA = Oghren DA2, DAI and DAD= Varric
Sorry but Varric for a third time in a row is just lazy. DAD deserves new dwarven companions who haven´t been in parties before.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 5, 2022 19:57:46 GMT
Now as for the dorian news. If DA4 takes place in Tevinter then that means the inquisitor will be there and thus Dorian and him might not have the equivilant of a phone relationship. So dorian and inquistor Addar can finally get together..okay that was my version but you get it.
The trailer with Varric as narrator definitely said we will be a new hero next game, so I hate to disappoint you but Dorian is likely to be conducting a long distance relationship as per Trespasser and the comic Deception. That was convenient in the latter case as they could neatly side-step who exactly he was talking to. There is an outside chance that the former Inquisitor could make a cameo type appearance at some point but whether that will acknowledge their relationship with Dorian is anyone's guess. I'm rather hoping that if Varric does return it is not as a companion but simply an adviser in some form, although I see no real justification for him being up in Tevinter at all.* Anyway, I'd rather we had a new dwarf companion or even more than one, thus allowing both genders to be represented. At present I'm really hopeful that the character of Bellara (from the video last year around this time): "that's the good kind of rumble", is a female dwarf from Kal-Sharok. However, I'd take any dwarf from Kal-Sharok just so long as we get to visit the place and learn more about how they survived down to the present. *There is the possibility they might give us a floating base of operations in DA4, in which case that might explain Varric being up north as he persuaded his old ally Admiral Isabella to provide the ship. I find it hard to imagine the Inquisitor not showing up for a cameo. Otherwise,what was the point of the Keep specifically having a tile for the Inquisitor's specialization. That wouldn't be relevant for anything other than gameplay. Gameplay as in, participating in a mission like Hawke did in DAI.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2022 20:09:58 GMT
I find it hard to imagine the Inquisitor not showing up for a cameo. I don´t think that the Inquisitor will show up because of time and money to make this right. Hawke was a lot easier because of only three personalities, one race and 2 voice actors plus the bonus of having the Champions armor as default armor. The overwhelming majority of the tiles are pointless so this isn´t an argument atleast for me. Those tiles are just for show and pseudo complexity.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2022 21:58:56 GMT
I find it hard to imagine the Inquisitor not showing up for a cameo. I don´t think that the Inquisitor will show up because of time and money to make this right. Hawke was a lot easier because of only three personalities, one race and 2 voice actors plus the bonus of having the Champions armor as default armor. The overwhelming majority of the tiles are pointless so this isn´t an argument atleast for me. Those tiles are just for show and pseudo complexity.
You’re assuming they’d put time and effort into the Inquisitor. They didn’t with Revan. They didn’t with Hawke. They just slapped their preference and bastardized them if they were anything else and just oh well to everyone else.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 0:42:30 GMT
You’re assuming they’d put time and effort into the Inquisitor. They didn’t with Revan. They didn’t with Hawke. They just slapped their preference and bastardized them if they were anything else and just oh well to everyone else. Sorry that doubt you there but man i think with the Absolution´s end twist Dragon Age could have finally lost me. Right now i don´t care whomever is back i can´t believe that they had done is. I am talking of course about Meredith. Is this Episode 9 or what? It´s so stupid and Dreadwolf already had enough story plotpoints so why adding Merediths war against Tevinter? I really think am getting too old for this shit...Maybe some folks even liking the idea of Merediths return but come on Bioware don´t you have better & new ideas than bringing Red Lyrium Meredith back who wasn´t great in the first place. I like normal Meredith as a villian but Red Lyrium Meredith not a fan.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 8:20:07 GMT
Sorry that doubt you there but man i think with the Absolution´s end twist Dragon Age could have finally lost me. Right now i don´t care whomever is back i can´t believe that they had done is. I'm not entirely sure that the revelation in Absolution will have any bearing on the game. It was set back somewhere between Trepasser and Callback, because Skyhold is mentioned as still being the HQ. So, it could just be something for future video series. That said: It did seem strange they would allow Meredith to be revived in that way. It was enough that the lyrium idol could reform inside her statue, let alone the statue still be sentient. Still, it would explain why Varric left Kirkwall if it is now overrun by Red Templars.
In terms of a counter to the Venatori in Tevinter we already have both the Lucerni, representing the better elements of the established order, and the Viper as a group committed to overturning it. In fact it even seemed hinted by Tassia that she could be one of the latter, since she says she is part of a group who wants to make Tevinter a better place for people like her and slaves. As for a group committed to destroying Tevinter, that is supplied by the Antaam. So, bringing back the Red Templars as a group specifically devoted to destroying Tevinter entirely, seems unnecessary. Hira said they want it eradicated, both the good and the bad, but the Antaam aren't choosy when it comes to whom they lobotomise, so surely that is enough for Tevinter haters? Would anyone really want to side with a group of red lyrium addled, bat shit crazy Templars?
As a side note, why can't people just stay dead in Thedas? Also, this series is the second time the actual spirit of the dead person has been recalled. DG also did it with his father's spirit in his short story about Dorian. Mind you it was a Pavus that created the circulum, so maybe it is secret knowledge held by his family. Still, it was originally open to question where the spirits went after death and they couldn't be recalled to ask.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 11:00:56 GMT
I'm not entirely sure that the revelation in Absolution will have any bearing on the game. Sorry but i don´t believe this. Because first of this art and second well it would weird to bring Meredith back and kill her off in the series. What´s even the point? The Netflix series don´t need Meredith as a villian they could create a complete new one.
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