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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 11:07:57 GMT
Sorry but i don´t believe this. Bringing her back just for the series would be a way to have a familiar big bad that does not impact on the game. It is definitely set in an earlier time frame. Look how they introduced the sarcophagus in the comic series, just so they could have a red lyrium equivalent of Fenris but then killed him off before the end. I seem to recall there, they were talking about this one person potentially being able to save Tevinter from the Qun, being unstoppable, etc, etc. Then it turns out, it was actually quite easy.
Also, if that picture on the left means Meredith is returning in DA:D, does that mean Cory is coming back too?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 11:11:44 GMT
Also, if that picture on the left means Meredith is returning in DA:D, does that mean Cory is coming back too?
Short Answer. Yes. I do think that Corypheus is also back in Dreadwolf. Also a terrible idea but i guess that´s the main conflict. So not just Dreadwolf aka Solas but also Meredith and Corypheus.
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Post by phoray on Dec 11, 2022 2:29:02 GMT
You’re assuming they’d put time and effort into the Inquisitor. They didn’t with Revan. They didn’t with Hawke. They just slapped their preference and bastardized them if they were anything else and just oh well to everyone else. Sorry that doubt you there but man i think with the Absolution´s end twist Dragon Age could have finally lost me. Right now i don´t care whomever is back i can´t believe that they had done is. I am talking of course about Meredith. Is this Episode 9 or what? It´s so stupid and Dreadwolf already had enough story plotpoints so why adding Merediths war against Tevinter? I really think am getting too old for this shit...Maybe some folks even liking the idea of Merediths return but come on Bioware don´t you have better & new ideas than bringing Red Lyrium Meredith back who wasn´t great in the first place. I like normal Meredith as a villian but Red Lyrium Meredith not a fan. Keep in mind, all of this may be handled in season 2 and be just a story Varric brings up to the new protagonist in DA:D
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Post by phoray on Dec 11, 2022 2:33:04 GMT
Would anyone really want to side with a group of red lyrium addled, bat shit crazy Templars? You got a laugh out of me. I always thought the Templars who were like, ya, red CRYSTALS growing out of my skin sound great implied they were pretty crazy to begin with. Still, it was originally open to question where the spirits went after death and they couldn't be recalled to ask. Who's to say these aren't just spirits holding the imprints of a person? when you cast this spell, you get a spirit that is more imprinted. Between the actual memories and the feelings emanating from the caster, you get a very believable replica to interact with. Frankly, both scenarios strongly smack of a compassion spirit popping up to make a nearby person feel better.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 16, 2022 2:06:33 GMT
Whats funny to me is this is the only dragon age that feels like a direct sequel to the previous one, so this time keeping the same cast for the most part makes sense and we will probably just end up with Varric and dorian. And I really do not like either of them.
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Post by BringBackNihlus on Jan 2, 2023 14:57:36 GMT
I hope Varric isn't a companion. He's a good character, but two games are enough. I have Varric fatigue.
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Post by fairdragon on Jan 10, 2023 11:28:09 GMT
Sorry but the Varric lines: "We´re the only ones who can stop him" and most importantly from the previous teaser trailer "We´ve got your back. I´ve got your back" makes it pretty clear that Varric will have pretty prominent role in Dreadwolf. To say "I´ve got your back" just for a small cameo or as a small quest giver doesn´t make any sense. I have said it in other discussions. I don't read it like that. Got your back. Mean nothing more than we are there for you. For that you don't need to stand next to each other. He can as part of the Inqusition stay in the shadow and help if the new MC get in trouble. I see him at the beginning at the game and at it's end. Nothing more.
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Post by fairdragon on Jan 10, 2023 11:46:19 GMT
I'm not entirely sure that the revelation in Absolution will have any bearing on the game. Sorry but i don´t believe this. Because first of this art and second well it would weird to bring Meredith back and kill her off in the series. What´s even the point? The Netflix series don´t need Meredith as a villian they could create a complete new one. Maybe this will convince you.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 23, 2023 9:32:17 GMT
everything about Varric briefly summarized.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 25, 2023 5:36:10 GMT
I wasn't talking about Ellis, though I guess potential issues with the games' "default" language VA could have more influence than the ones hired for localisation. I was speaking purely from the point of killing a character who is popular. And one who got character assassinated in a sense with DAI, with apparently everyone (except Sera) trying to bend over backwards to insist he's totes changed 180 degrees, even though he is merely on the way and still acts quite a lot like in DA2. Also, his arc is done, giving that he can either die form lyrium if I recall right or run his retirement project.
Edit: Whoops, ninja'd.
DAI ruined Cullen. Say what you want about Broken Circle / DA2 Cullen but that character was interesting. He had flaws, was a shitty person, and even though the final quest had him act a bit stupidly he was a character in the first 2 games. DAI just made him into a husbando with the personality of a plank of wood, and it removed the ability for the player to disagree with him.
Cullen the Whiner from DA2 fame? Interesting char with all those flaws?
I agree with the flaws but interesting? A guy with no compassion? As to DA:I, once again I agree with you. Personally he just did not belong in DA:I.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2023 8:31:45 GMT
I agree with the flaws but interesting? A guy with no compassion? As to DA:I, once again I agree with you. Personally he just did not belong in DA:I. Let's face it, Cullen's appearance in DAI, together with his rather surprising "character arc", were simply fan service. For some reason which has always baffled me, based off DAO and DA2, Cullen had an enthusiastic set of supporters who seemed to find him attractive as a personality. So, the writers decided he could be one of the continuity characters for DAI and then developed his story to fit those fan expectations. This resulted in a character who seemed very different from the one we had encountered in the previous two games. I don't think it was ever explained why his attitude altered to that extent. True, he witnessed Meredith going so crazy that even he was forced to rebel against her but ultimately that was proven to be down to the effects of a dangerous magical artifact, which surely would only reinforce his prejudices concerning mages and magic. The Cullen character in DAI could just as easily have been a completely different Templar, either from Kirkwall, Ferelden or anywhere else for that matter, who had always had more moderate views and so had remained loyal to the Divine. This could have brought him to the attention of Cassandra and that is why he was drafted in to organise their military forces. The sub-plot of weening him off lyrium could have followed just the same. As a side note, one thing that always puzzled me about Cassandra, Leliana and Cullen is how they avoided being blown up along with everyone else. However, at least with Cullen it could be argued he didn't originally attend the Conclave but was appointed in the aftermath of the explosion. The purpose of Cassandra and Leliana was to protect the Divine. Yet, apparently after the Conclave had started, they both left for Kirkwall to find Varric, leaving security in the hands of people who clearly failed in their duty. Surely, if finding Varric and Hawke was so important, why didn't the Divine send them on their mission before the Conclave? I can only assume that the Conclave had quickly hit the buffers when it came to any sort of compromise and so the Divine was searching around for some sort of solution. Except that we also know she had already authorised the formation of the Inquisition to carry out her "vision" for the future. This being the case, I would imagine that Cassandra and Leliana were already recruiting people with a view to running this private army of the Divine. So, the Divine never expected the Conclave to succeed but saw it as a useful way to get the leaders of the various factions in one place so she could enforce her solution upon them. It would seem that the actual leaders smelled a rat because neither Fiona, nor Lucius, were present at the Conclave, which is how they also survived.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 25, 2023 10:40:35 GMT
In regards to the Cullen conversation that is going on in the Varric thread...
My perspective on it is probably a little bit here since I didn't really care for him in Origins, indeed thought he was quite overated given the fan reaction, a bit better in 2...but loved him in Inquisition.
His character arc kind of reminded me of extremist tennis. His experiences in Origins hardened him into someone who was very anti magic and thus open to Meredith's ideas, or at least willing to look the other way. Then as a result it led to Meredith going insane so he saw the results of that extremism and all the horrors that came with it...so he has seen the effects of extremism from either example and the abuses that could be caused by both Templars and Mages. Which led to his role in Inquisition, trying to be better, trying to kick the Lyrium habit, and trying to serve as an example to others. Natural character progression through all three games flowing naturally from the events from before. And his struggle in Inquisition was hella compelling. Trying to deal with adiction with the complication that his withdrawls was actually causing him problems with his job which gave him a compelling reason to go back on the sauce. If that is not a complex character flaw I don't know what is.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 26, 2023 8:31:48 GMT
Natural character progression through all three games flowing naturally from the events from before. I perhaps should have said it was never adequately explained in game, so it was a case of having to fill in the detail and make certain assumptions as you have done. However, he has a huge entry in WoT2 which does pretty much back up your theories. In fact it does suggest that trying to hold together the Templar order and bring some semblance of order to Kirkwall in the 2 years following the finale to DA2 seemed to be what really restored him to something like he had been before the awful events of Kinloch Hold and Kirkwall changed him. In addition, his sister played her part, whom we do learn about in DAI, as he had lost contact with his family through his own neglect of the relationship but she never gave up on him. I also liked Cullen in DAI. His change in attitude just came as something of a surprise. However, since my Inquisitor had never known him prior to that, they could only base their relation to him on what they encountered personally and I simply ignored my own previous knowledge of the character. In some ways, though, it did reinforce my idea from DAO that the Templars were often as much victims of the Chantry as the mages were, particularly when it came to the use of lyrium. Naturally I supported him thoroughly in overcoming his addiction and was glad he succeeded.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 26, 2023 10:27:14 GMT
Natural character progression through all three games flowing naturally from the events from before. I perhaps should have said it was never adequately explained in game, so it was a case of having to fill in the detail and make certain assumptions as you have done. However, he has a huge entry in WoT2 which does pretty much back up your theories. In fact it does suggest that trying to hold together the Templar order and bring some semblance of order to Kirkwall in the 2 years following the finale to DA2 seemed to be what really restored him to something like he had been before the awful events of Kinloch Hold and Kirkwall changed him. In addition, his sister played her part, whom we do learn about in DAI, as he had lost contact with his family through his own neglect of the relationship but she never gave up on him. I also liked Cullen in DAI. His change in attitude just came as something of a surprise. However, since my Inquisitor had never known him prior to that, they could only base their relation to him on what they encountered personally and I simply ignored my own previous knowledge of the character. In some ways, though, it did reinforce my idea from DAO that the Templars were often as much victims of the Chantry as the mages were, particularly when it came to the use of lyrium. Naturally I supported him thoroughly in overcoming his addiction and was glad he succeeded. Something to ponder and struggling to figure out whether this is more of a problem with RPGs, games, or fiction in general...but the struggle can be in how you have character development between projects and between where we see them and when we catch back up to them in the sequel. Because people can grow off screen.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 26, 2023 14:57:36 GMT
Because people can grow off screen. I entirely agree. I think the problem lies in the fact that we move from game to game as players in the DA universe but our PC does not. So, as a player I can wonder what led to this character development in someone I previously knew but because our PC is not aware of the change, there is no real need to explain it, which also applies to new players. It would obviously be more pertinent if the PC had carried over from game to game as with Shepard and Mass Effect because it would make sense for them to question the cause if a character seemed to have very different attitudes to before. This is where DA:D is going to be interesting bearing in mind we will once again be playing a new hero. Varric, of course, could be pivotal here. If they do decide to have him as the link to the Inquisition, I wonder if they are going to assume (as they did with DAI) that the PC is familiar with his reputation and had read his literature. It is noticeable that at the end of Trespasser he had apparently produced his history of the Inquisition for publication, so I wonder if that is going to be referenced in much the same way as the Tale of the Champion was in DAI. Actually, it has occurred to me that this would have given the PC some insight into Cullen's character depending on how much Varric actually revealed in his narrative within the book. I rather think it would likely only cover the compulsory events that caused him to cross paths with Hawke in the field, rather than the optional dialogue you can have with him in the Gallows.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Nov 26, 2023 21:17:53 GMT
Isn´t this a Varric thread? Ok speaking of Cullen well he isn´t that interessing any longer in DAI but somewhat would missing if he hadn´t been in game. Sure he is mainly fanservice for the ladies and some of the guys but i still think that Cullen has an interessing journey through all three games. The only thing which is a disappointment for me regarding Cullen. He should have been a real companion and our templar party member. And Cassandra should be more unique aka more of a Seeker companion class. By the way i have more problems with Blackwall and speaking of returning characters with Leliana than i could ever have with Cullen.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 27, 2023 1:57:20 GMT
Varric's return in DA4 adds some form of continuity. Besides, folks who read the graphics novels tells us his heavily involved in stopping Baldy. Bio bringing the Spy Master (Leliana) is not a stretch and I believe she'll work in the background. Cullen, on the other hand, has no role in DA4 that I can see. Besides, Bio has to make room for the new chars in the DA4 story.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 27, 2023 8:11:56 GMT
Bio bringing the Spy Master (Leliana) is not a stretch and I believe she'll work in the background Unless they backtrack on the epilogue to Trespasser, Leliana has been pensioned off as Spy Master and will not be involved going forward. In the epilogue they specifically said that she was training up Harding, Charter and Rector (I think) to replace her. This seems borne out by associated media set in a post Trespasser period. In the comic series involving Vaea and in the 'Dread Wolf Take You' in Tevinter Nights, the Inquisition contact and quest setter/intelligence gatherer is Charter. In the comic series the Missing, it is Harding who seeks out Varric and gets him involved. Bear in mind also, that if the Leliana in DAI was killed in DAO and not made Divine, she was revealed to be some sort of lyrium spirit that dissolved after handing things over to her successors, so it would be doubly problematic if she suddenly made an appearance again. At most the characters we do encounter may just reference her in passing. Isn´t this a Varric thread? I did tie it back into Varric with my post concerning his literary career. I do wonder if his history of the Inquisition will be referenced next game as being the reason our new PC might be aware of him and his reputation outside of the fact that he is meant to be Viscount of Kirkwall but seems uninterested in getting involved in the political implications of the role and mostly leaves than to Bran.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 9, 2024 18:53:49 GMT
Ok Varric is a big player in this game. More than Dorian as it seems. Thank god not a companion (well atleast not a full one). But i fear that Bioware will kill Varric off at the beginning or so for some drama.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 9, 2024 20:12:23 GMT
Why is Varric in this art if he isn´t a companion? Yes he is a major NPC but Bioware will kill him off aren´t they? Varric has for me the classic tutorial temporary companion who gets kills at the end vibes.
Picture isn´t for some reason showing up. I mean this.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 9, 2024 20:53:44 GMT
Ok Varric is a big player in this game. More than Dorian as it seems. Thank god not a companion (well atleast not a full one). But i fear that Bioware will kill Varric off at the beginning or so for some drama. Shouldn't he be ruling Kirkwall right now? Lol.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 9, 2024 20:56:20 GMT
Ok Varric is a big player in this game. More than Dorian as it seems. Thank god not a companion (well atleast not a full one). But i fear that Bioware will kill Varric off at the beginning or so for some drama. Of course he will. And we will be forced to be devastated by his loss.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 9, 2024 20:59:55 GMT
Of course he will. And we will be forced to be devastated by his loss. I mean isn´t this terrible and lazy writing if such major story moment is so obvious?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 9, 2024 21:02:14 GMT
Of course he will. And we will be forced to be devastated by his loss. I mean isn´t this terrible and lazy writing if such major story moment is so obvious? Yes, it is. Doesn’t mean they won’t do it. It’s the typical “mentor character dies to serve as motivation for the hero” trope.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 9, 2024 21:08:00 GMT
I mean it's absolute bollocks if Varric dies and the the protagonist of DA4 is supposed to be dealing with this arguably very sad and emotional (yet expected) moment, when Hawke, and even Inquisitor are the ones who this should be affecting.
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