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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 21, 2021 1:31:26 GMT
Doubt the two galaxies would connect to the point of helping until the end of the next game. And the people in Andromeda already have all the background they need. The only thing they missed was the events of ME3, but Ryder knows some of what happened with Alec's loga and the AI is trying to establish contact with the Milky Way as planned already. Which would end up being the sections we play as Shepard, which we can hope for a launcher system used in the LE where we can jump from Shepard story and keep doing crazy minigames and then use the Andromeda 2 to play as Ryder, something like ME2 that you can still play post all missions but the data only transfers up to a point to ME3. Except Shepard can be dead by the end of ME3 (and definitely by the time of MEA). Unless you mean their parts take place before that, but their history is pretty accounted for.
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Post by lordmoral on Sept 21, 2021 2:34:44 GMT
Which would end up being the sections we play as Shepard, which we can hope for a launcher system used in the LE where we can jump from Shepard story and keep doing crazy minigames and then use the Andromeda 2 to play as Ryder, something like ME2 that you can still play post all missions but the data only transfers up to a point to ME3. Except Shepard can be dead by the end of ME3 (and definitely by the time of MEA). Unless you mean their parts take place before that, but their history is pretty accounted for. The parts would take place inside SAM as he is finishing receiving all that information and we find out that those are memories (but played as if they were a full game) as Liara voice comes over. Even if Shepard perished we can still play as a general character interacting with the Galaxy, like Liara.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 21, 2021 15:09:46 GMT
Except Shepard can be dead by the end of ME3 (and definitely by the time of MEA). Unless you mean their parts take place before that, but their history is pretty accounted for. The parts would take place inside SAM as he is finishing receiving all that information and we find out that those are memories (but played as if they were a full game) as Liara voice comes over. Even if Shepard perished we can still play as a general character interacting with the Galaxy, like Liara. Personally I don't like the idea of dual protagonist. Let it just be one instead of going back and forth.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 21, 2021 22:10:36 GMT
I want to continue my Ryder story but I want to have the opening act and prologue be about Shepard and once it ends we see it is a story Liara is sending to the AI so that we as the Pathfinder explains his team what happened after they left. What would the prologue with Shepard be, and why should it exist when it is an entire galaxy away from the plot of the game?
Shepard being in a prologue would be a waste of time, now if they made Shepard the villain that Ryder had to defeat, now that MIGHT be interesting.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 21, 2021 22:27:33 GMT
Except Shepard can be dead by the end of ME3 (and definitely by the time of MEA). Unless you mean their parts take place before that, but their history is pretty accounted for. The parts would take place inside SAM as he is finishing receiving all that information and we find out that those are memories (but played as if they were a full game) as Liara voice comes over. Even if Shepard perished we can still play as a general character interacting with the Galaxy, like Liara.
None of the Ryder family ever met Shepard. They heard about them from friends or heard about them on the news but there no way that they ever met or talk to them, even Liara (and I love that character) was stretching and the same with Alec knowing Garrus' father.
I would be quite content if the Ryder twins never met or saw Commander Shepard and only knew them through reputation and/or the news in MWG. I'm sick and tied of everybody knowing and being related to everybody in the Mass Effect Universe it makes the universe feel small and not only that it's just so stupid and sucks the life out of it just like everything in Star Wars is always tied to the Skywalkers and the Palatines families/bloodlines and we all saw how badly that worked out for Star Wars.
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Post by lordmoral on Sept 21, 2021 22:45:03 GMT
The parts would take place inside SAM as he is finishing receiving all that information and we find out that those are memories (but played as if they were a full game) as Liara voice comes over. Even if Shepard perished we can still play as a general character interacting with the Galaxy, like Liara.
None of the Ryder family ever met Shepard. They heard about them from friends or heard about them on the news but there no way that they ever met or talk to them, even Liara (and I love that character) was stretching and the same with Alec knowing Garrus' father.
I would be quite content if the Ryder twins never met or saw Commander Shepard and only knew them through reputation and/or the news in MWG. I'm sick and tied of everybody knowing and being related to everybody in the Mass Effect Universe it makes the universe feel small and not only that it's just so stupid and sucks the life out of it just like everything in Star Wars is always tied to the Skywalkers and the Palatines families/bloodlines and we all saw how badly that worked out for Star Wars.
1) I never said they had to have met Shepard, only that the Ryder Twins would learn of him/her through memory recordings both official propaganda and whatever Liara sends their separate way. 2) I also hated how the ST made everyone related.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 22, 2021 16:01:47 GMT
What would the prologue with Shepard be, and why should it exist when it is an entire galaxy away from the plot of the game?
Shepard being in a prologue would be a waste of time, now if they made Shepard the villain that Ryder had to defeat, now that MIGHT be interesting.
As much as I would hate this, I’d have to take a step back and tip my hat to the utter gall if they did such a thing.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 22, 2021 16:11:07 GMT
What would the prologue with Shepard be, and why should it exist when it is an entire galaxy away from the plot of the game?
Shepard being in a prologue would be a waste of time, now if they made Shepard the villain that Ryder had to defeat, now that MIGHT be interesting.
What if Shepard survives ME3, at least mine did, travels to Andromeda, with squad and crew along with the SR2 stored on the ship that's carrying Shepard and others while in stasis. Once in Andromeda, Shepard learns there's a rogue AI that has taken control of a human. Find out the human is a duck, I mean little Ryder. Shepard ends up killing Ryder. Now that would be a day one purchase.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 22, 2021 19:44:28 GMT
What would the prologue with Shepard be, and why should it exist when it is an entire galaxy away from the plot of the game?
Shepard being in a prologue would be a waste of time, now if they made Shepard the villain that Ryder had to defeat, now that MIGHT be interesting.
Eh, not really interested in seeing my Shepard as a villain. Though they probably will be, if they go with Destroy being canon like many think since that makes them the worst war criminal in our cycle’s history.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 22, 2021 20:46:02 GMT
Shepard being in a prologue would be a waste of time, now if they made Shepard the villain that Ryder had to defeat, now that MIGHT be interesting.
As much as I would hate this, I’d have to take a step back and tip my hat to the utter gall if they did such a thing.
Shepard is still in suspended animation on one of the arks but is it another clone or the "real" Shepard from ME1 that died in the prologue in ME2? That would be the main question if it was up to me. If they did something like that then it should be IMHO played as ambiguous and never 100% answered one way o the other just let every individual player make up their own minds on it. My guess would be most would go with another clone.
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Post by Blast Processor on Sept 22, 2021 21:27:58 GMT
Shepard being in a prologue would be a waste of time, now if they made Shepard the villain that Ryder had to defeat, now that MIGHT be interesting.
As much as I would hate this, I’d have to take a step back and tip my hat to the utter gall if they did such a thing. Haha. That was one of the joke ideas I had for Andromeda 2, a bunch of Clone Shepard's running around. Shepard? Shepard! LOL.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 22, 2021 22:21:03 GMT
As much as I would hate this, I’d have to take a step back and tip my hat to the utter gall if they did such a thing. Haha. That was one of the joke ideas I had for Andromeda 2, a bunch of Clone Shepard's running around. Shepard? Shepard! LOL.
Well I had a dream once that involves an army of Clone Shepards of both genders. One of the Shepards was in a fisherman's outfit and there was a lesbian Shepard groping another Female Shepard. Yes it was weird.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 22, 2021 22:31:31 GMT
Shepard being in a prologue would be a waste of time, now if they made Shepard the villain that Ryder had to defeat, now that MIGHT be interesting.
Eh, not really interested in seeing my Shepard as a villain. Though they probably will be, if they go with Destroy being canon like many think since that makes them the worst war criminal in our cycle’s history. I guess if we want to redefine “villain” and “war crime”. Context is key, and a whopping great galactic extinction level event leaves a bit of room for interpretation.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 22, 2021 22:49:59 GMT
Eh, not really interested in seeing my Shepard as a villain. Though they probably will be, if they go with Destroy being canon like many think since that makes them the worst war criminal in our cycle’s history. I guess if we want to redefine “villain” and “war crime”. Context is key, and a whopping great galactic extinction level event leaves a bit of room for interpretation. No, mass murder of innocents is still a war crime even during that level of warfare. Heck under the Geneva Conventions, Destroy is guilty of so many war crimes even when just considering the Reapers let alone other synthetics.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 22, 2021 23:00:45 GMT
I guess if we want to redefine “villain” and “war crime”. Context is key, and a whopping great galactic extinction level event leaves a bit of room for interpretation. No, mass murder of innocents is still a war crime even during that level of warfare. Heck under the Geneva Conventions, Destroy is guilty of so many war crimes even when just considering the Reapers let alone other synthetics. Since when Geneva Conventions applies to outside of this planet and Eldritch Abominations.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 22, 2021 23:08:53 GMT
No, mass murder of innocents is still a war crime even during that level of warfare. Heck under the Geneva Conventions, Destroy is guilty of so many war crimes even when just considering the Reapers let alone other synthetics. Since when Geneva Conventions applies to outside of this planet and Eldritch Abominations. Since the Citadel Conventions in ME are basically Bioware taking the Geneva ones to space.
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Post by lordmoral on Sept 23, 2021 0:31:02 GMT
Since when Geneva Conventions applies to outside of this planet and Eldritch Abominations. Since the Citadel Conventions in ME are basically Bioware taking the Geneva ones to space. And Spectres are appointed to operate outside those rules if need be to safeguard the Galaxy but again, we should have faced the music either at the end of Arrival (if all sidequests are done) or at the start of ME3 and then move six months forward to when the Defense Committee called him/her to testify on how to stop the Reapers because other than Hackett all of them were scared when they arrived. Sadly I predict the remaining Brass will want to present Shepard as a War Criminal until the story leaks that most of the Galaxy governments did s--- to prepare.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 23, 2021 0:44:07 GMT
I guess if we want to redefine “villain” and “war crime”. Context is key, and a whopping great galactic extinction level event leaves a bit of room for interpretation. No, mass murder of innocents is still a war crime even during that level of warfare. Heck under the Geneva Conventions, Destroy is guilty of so many war crimes even when just considering the Reapers let alone other synthetics. It’d be interesting to see what would happen if enough people who mattered decided to finally have some kind of panel that Shepard would explain their actions to….assuming they survived the ordeal. Just imagine having to sit there, and actually explain the insane mechanics of how each choice was to be carried out to normal people in this universe, and how Shepard has to die by magic bullshit to make something happen, one of which involving the alteration of all life in the galaxy. I’m sure more than a few people would be interested in that one in particular. I guess the question there is, would there be any grounds to pass judgment on Shepard for having the audacity to choose survival at the final moment? Too bad ME would never explore that sort of thing. As for the reapers, safe to say they wouldn’t even be a consideration. In the eyes of the galaxy, they’d be seen as nothing more than the repurposed remains of countless species bent to the whims of a single entity. It’d be like wiping out a zombie horde controlled by a single necromancer. Their destruction would only be cause to celebrate, and Shepard would just have a statue built in their honor or something. It would be a cut and dried “Good job. Fuck those reapers.” And everyone goes home. Heck, they built a statue for the krogan for ridding the galaxy of the rachni. They’d build a bigger one for Shepard for getting rid of much worse. The synthetic collateral damage is the only thing they’d probably spend any time really debating on, if they became allies, but I think the enormity of the threat kind of transcends these standards, because this isn’t even what we could consider an actual war. Like, the geth aren’t collateral damage to some kind of power struggle in the political landscape of the galactic community. The reapers simply represent grim death on a cosmic scale. Shepard would not be found guilty of anything, and would just go home with everyone being glad they didn’t get altered, and only a handful of quarians would truly miss the geth.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 23, 2021 0:51:51 GMT
No, mass murder of innocents is still a war crime even during that level of warfare. Heck under the Geneva Conventions, Destroy is guilty of so many war crimes even when just considering the Reapers let alone other synthetics. It’d be interesting to see what would happen if enough people who mattered decided to finally have some kind of panel that Shepard would explain their actions to….assuming they survived the ordeal. Just imagine having to sit there, and actually explain the insane mechanics of how each choice was to be carried out to normal people in this universe, and how Shepard has to die by magic bullshit to make something happen, one of which involving the alteration of all life in the galaxy. I’m sure more than a few people would be interested in that one in particular. I guess the question there is, would there be any grounds to pass judgment on Shepard for having the audacity to choose survival at the final moment? Too bad ME would never explore that sort of thing. As for the reapers, safe to say they wouldn’t even be a consideration. In the eyes of the galaxy, they’d be seen as nothing more than the repurposed remains of countless species bent to the whims of a single entity. It’d be like wiping out a zombie horde controlled by a single necromancer. Their destruction would only be cause to celebrate, and Shepard would just have a statue built in their honor or something. It would be a cut and dried “Good job. Fuck those reapers.” And everyone goes home. Heck, they built a statue for the krogan for ridding the galaxy of the rachni. They’d build a bigger one for Shepard for getting rid of much worse. The synthetic collateral damage is the only thing they’d probably spend any time really debating on, if they became allies, but I think the enormity of the threat kind of transcends these standards, because this isn’t even what we could consider an actual war. Like, the geth aren’t collateral damage to some kind of power struggle in the political landscape of the galactic community. The reapers simply represent grim death on a cosmic scale. Shepard would not be found guilty of anything, and would just go home with everyone being glad they didn’t get altered, and only a handful of quarians would truly miss the geth. That would be an interesting thing for them to explore. Especially if the sequel allowed any of the three endings to see how perspectives would be different rather than only be painted one way. There would absolutely be grounds to pass judgement. But yeah, Bioware will never explore that. I doubt the galaxy at large would ever learn that part of Reaper history. Most likely just be painted as a hostile synthetic race. And Shepard not being found guilty and the galaxy celebrating is exactly the issue I have if they make Destroy canon, like as you said bar a few people everyone else will become monsters who celebrate genocide so long as it doesn't affect them.
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Post by lordmoral on Sept 23, 2021 0:57:59 GMT
No, mass murder of innocents is still a war crime even during that level of warfare. Heck under the Geneva Conventions, Destroy is guilty of so many war crimes even when just considering the Reapers let alone other synthetics. It’d be interesting to see what would happen if enough people who mattered decided to finally have some kind of panel that Shepard would explain their actions to….assuming they survived the ordeal. Just imagine having to sit there, and actually explain the insane mechanics of how each choice was to be carried out to normal people in this universe, and how Shepard has to die by magic bullshit to make something happen, one of which involving the alteration of all life in the galaxy. I’m sure more than a few people would be interested in that one in particular. I guess the question there is, would there be any grounds to pass judgment on Shepard for having the audacity to choose survival at the final moment? Too bad ME would never explore that sort of thing. As for the reapers, safe to say they wouldn’t even be a consideration. In the eyes of the galaxy, they’d be seen as nothing more than the repurposed remains of countless species bent to the whims of a single entity. It’d be like wiping out a zombie horde controlled by a single necromancer. Their destruction would only be cause to celebrate, and Shepard would just have a statue built in their honor or something. It would be a cut and dried “Good job. Fuck those reapers.” And everyone goes home. Heck, they built a statue for the krogan for ridding the galaxy of the rachni. They’d build a bigger one for Shepard for getting rid of much worse. The synthetic collateral damage is the only thing they’d probably spend any time really debating on, if they became allies, but I think the enormity of the threat kind of transcends these standards, because this isn’t even what we could consider an actual war. Like, the geth aren’t collateral damage to some kind of power struggle in the political landscape of the galactic community. The reapers simply represent grim death on a cosmic scale. Shepard would not be found guilty of anything, and would just go home with everyone being glad they didn’t get altered, and only a handful of quarians would truly miss the geth. I actually wrote something similar in my fanfic but I wrote it as Shepard admitting it by himself in the first few chapters after he woke up and was talking to his crew and they debated and contemplated the choices Shepard had to make. Something like this is what Bioware should have done for the Bahak system.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 23, 2021 4:27:59 GMT
I guess if we want to redefine “villain” and “war crime”. Context is key, and a whopping great galactic extinction level event leaves a bit of room for interpretation. No, mass murder of innocents is still a war crime even during that level of warfare. Heck under the Geneva Conventions, Destroy is guilty of so many war crimes even when just considering the Reapers let alone other synthetics. Heck, under themikefest convention, destroy is the best outcome the galaxy could've hoped for. No one is going to care what Shepard did to destroy the reapers. All they know is no other cycle was able to stop the reapers until this one. If Shepard didn't destroy the reapers, the galaxy would have been harvested.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Sept 29, 2021 17:19:34 GMT
Destroy's synthetic "ethnic purge" without question's truly horrific, it's honestly kind of a feat that's the good ending, kill 10% to save the 90% or take away the 99%'s autonomy.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Sept 29, 2021 20:17:39 GMT
I think there will be a new PC, because Shepard may not have survived ME3 and MEA's Ryder wasn't as popular as the Shepard. From EA's perspective a new PC may be the best option.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 29, 2021 21:17:44 GMT
I think there will be a new PC, because Shepard may not have survived ME3 and MEA's Ryder wasn't as popular as the Shepard. From EA's perspective a new PC may be the best option. While true, Liara may also not have survived. It's possible no one with any connection to the Normandy survived. That said, I would agree with moving on.
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