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Post by explorerclass on Mar 25, 2022 7:23:18 GMT
This is the second cosmic Geth imagery. They were also shown in the first trailer as a constellation. The are alive, but they can’t be rebuilt in destroy however This is also a time skip if at least 634 years. So by now, they have time to “build a new life fork in the shape of the Geth, even if their culture is no longer their own” “Synthesis/control has come up, and time goes on, and this is Geth now” Either way it’ll be an unrecognizable culture but just more evidence that they’re actively going to retcon all 3 endings so they work amicably. So basically no matter what Geth fans are screwed since either way they’re no longer Geth. Oh joy. Maybe…I mean In destroy it’s hard Imagine the entire cycle has this legendary hero… And you learn that hero is known/celebrated for killing everything like you, because you weren’t considered equal or worth saving. Then you get built in the image of the corpses of a fallen civilization with no connection to their mainframe or culture. You won’t be recognizable and we’d be lucky if you didn’t rebel. In synthesis, Geth are now equal and socialized in society, they’d be more outgoing and more able to maintain relationships. Any conflict between Geth and organics would be based on their personaltiy or believes clashing, not their origin. But somehow in both, they’re going to need to be the same effectively. My guess is “we built these new machines, also called Geth, 600 years ago and we had some fights but we’re good now, since we never exiled them this time” Vs “They’ve been our Allies and friends ever since Shepard and Legion made peace”
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 25, 2022 7:50:33 GMT
So basically no matter what Geth fans are screwed since either way they’re no longer Geth. Oh joy. Maybe…I mean In destroy it’s hard Imagine the entire cycle has this legendary hero… And you learn that hero is known/celebrated for killing everything like you, because you weren’t considered equal or worth saving. Then you get built in the image of the corpses of a fallen civilization with no connection to their mainframe or culture. You won’t be recognizable and we’d be lucky if you didn’t rebel. In synthesis, Geth are now equal and socialized in society, they’d be more outgoing and more able to maintain relationships. Any conflict between Geth and organics would be based on their personaltiy or believes clashing, not their origin. But somehow in both, they’re going to need to be the same effectively. My guess is “we built these new machines, also called Geth, 600 years ago and we had some fights but we’re good now, since we never exiled them this time” Vs “They’ve been our Allies and friends ever since Shepard and Legion made peace” Personally I’d prefer the Geth in a post-Destroy game to be ones that were out of the blast range of the Crucible, perhaps as a contingency. Even connect it to them looking at the Heleus Cluster maybe. That way they’d still be Geth instead of a race of Not-Geth. Then in Control and Synthesis they survive so no need to worry. The whole idea of “Oh yeah, the worst genocide in our cycle’s history was committed but we’re all good now.” is very gross. We have enough media trying to paint mass murder or genocide in a positive light. And like you said, synthetics would never be fine with organics since looking at history proves organics cannot be trusted.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 25, 2022 11:23:32 GMT
Personally I’d prefer the Geth in a post-Destroy game to be ones that were out of the blast range of the Crucible, perhaps as a contingency. Even connect it to them looking at the Heleus Cluster maybe. That way they’d still be Geth instead of a race of Not-Geth. Then in Control and Synthesis they survive so no need to worry. As I've posted before, the geth could survive the red. In ME4, the geth remain, but as the story moves forward, the geth start returning to what they were before downloading the reaper code. By the end of the game, they are back to what they were at the start of ME3. Gross? I will ask again. Look at the playthrough in my signature. If I chose the green, the only difference is the geth or quarians remain, the reapers are still around, and a few characters are alive. Is that playthrough gross? I will ask you another question, one that I've asked you before. If the reapers show up tomorrow, what would you do? Let's say you survive the initial attack. You head back home to see your neighborhood is destroyed, your family killed. Will you still want to merge with the machines? Will you run up and down main street trying to stop people from firing at the giant looking robots?
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Post by Iakus on Mar 25, 2022 17:05:08 GMT
Not exactly. The rachni data just proved irrelevant to tracking down the leviathans. It doesn't prove or disprove anyhting about the rachni being indoctrinated by Sovereign. The game itself, however, totally retcons the rachni's activities f you free the queen in ME1. It turns out they did about as much to prepare for the Reapers as the Council did, despite KNOWING they were coming. To be fair, they had only three years and unlike most other races have absolutely no infrastructure so had to start completely from scratch. We also never see what they did do since by the time of the war the Reapers already subjugated them. In ME2, the message was they intended to ally with Shepard against the Reapers. In ME3 the queen said they had no intention of ever contacting anyone ever again. It's like they never actually read their scripts between one game and the next. This is just one example of such dissonance.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 25, 2022 17:08:02 GMT
Maybe…I mean In destroy it’s hard Imagine the entire cycle has this legendary hero… And you learn that hero is known/celebrated for killing everything like you, because you weren’t considered equal or worth saving. Then you get built in the image of the corpses of a fallen civilization with no connection to their mainframe or culture. You won’t be recognizable and we’d be lucky if you didn’t rebel. In synthesis, Geth are now equal and socialized in society, they’d be more outgoing and more able to maintain relationships. Any conflict between Geth and organics would be based on their personaltiy or believes clashing, not their origin. But somehow in both, they’re going to need to be the same effectively. My guess is “we built these new machines, also called Geth, 600 years ago and we had some fights but we’re good now, since we never exiled them this time” Vs “They’ve been our Allies and friends ever since Shepard and Legion made peace” Personally I’d prefer the Geth in a post-Destroy game to be ones that were out of the blast range of the Crucible, perhaps as a contingency. Even connect it to them looking at the Heleus Cluster maybe. That way they’d still be Geth instead of a race of Not-Geth. Then in Control and Synthesis they survive so no need to worry. The whole idea of “Oh yeah, the worst genocide in our cycle’s history was committed but we’re all good now.” is very gross. We have enough media trying to paint mass murder or genocide in a positive light. And like you said, synthetics would never be fine with organics since looking at history proves organics cannot be trusted. Well, according to Bioware, in order to get a "good" outcome, you must choose to commit geocide, slavery, or eugenics. Which I think says more about them than us...
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Post by Iakus on Mar 25, 2022 17:10:45 GMT
Personally I’d prefer the Geth in a post-Destroy game to be ones that were out of the blast range of the Crucible, perhaps as a contingency. Even connect it to them looking at the Heleus Cluster maybe. That way they’d still be Geth instead of a race of Not-Geth. Then in Control and Synthesis they survive so no need to worry. As I've posted before, the geth could survive the red. In ME4, the geth remain, but as the story moves forward, the geth start returning to what they were before downloading the reaper code. By the end of the game, they are back to what they were at the start of ME3. They had their chance to portray that with EC. They CHOSE not to do so, and in fact further reinforced the act of synthetic genocide. This is supposed to be an escapist video game RPG. Not a RL version of Ender's Game.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 25, 2022 17:47:10 GMT
They had their chance to portray that with EC. They CHOSE not to do so, and in fact further reinforced the act of synthetic genocide. I saw no genocide. If you and the other poster wants to save everyone and everything, then have Bioware make a paintball edition. Shepard says in Arrival half the galaxy might be lost. Considering no cycle has survived, I say those are acceptable losses. Since there are no geth seen in destroy epilogue, one can assume they might still be around. I get that. While listening to dumb, dumb, my Shepard is thinking about the people that have lost friends, families and whatever else. She/he thinks about Joe Smoe in NE. He sees his family killed by these giant looking robots. He sees in the distance Boston is burning. The last thing he wants to do is merge with the robots or control them. He wants revenge. He wants the giant robots destroyed. As my Shepard shoots the tube. he/she is smiling knowing this one is for Joe.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 25, 2022 18:17:52 GMT
They had their chance to portray that with EC. They CHOSE not to do so, and in fact further reinforced the act of synthetic genocide. I saw no genocide. If you and the other poster wants to save everyone and everything, then have Bioware make a paintball edition. Shepard says in Arrival half the galaxy might be lost. Considering no cycle has survived, I say those are acceptable losses. Since there are no geth seen in destroy epilogue, one can assume they might still be around. Saving everyone is never an option. but forcing Shepard to be the one to actively butcher allies (for the greater good) was a d*ck move on Bioware's part. I get that. While listening to dumb, dumb, my Shepard is thinking about the people that have lost friends, families and whatever else. She/he thinks about Joe Smoe in NE. He sees his family killed by these giant looking robots. He sees in the distance Boston is burning. The last thing he wants to do is merge with the robots or control them. He wants revenge. He wants the giant robots destroyed. As my Shepard shoots the tube. he/she is smiling knowing this one is for Joe. [/quote]And you get revenge for Joe's family by killing Bob and HIS family?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 25, 2022 18:33:21 GMT
Saving everyone is never an option. but forcing Shepard to be the one to actively butcher allies (for the greater good) was a d*ck move on Bioware's part. Forcing? Just like Shepard forces the green crap on the galaxy? What organics did Joe kill? Oh that's right, you mean the geth. The geth signed their destruction the moment Commander dumba** let them upload the code.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 25, 2022 19:31:06 GMT
Saving everyone is never an option. but forcing Shepard to be the one to actively butcher allies (for the greater good) was a d*ck move on Bioware's part. Forcing? Just like Shepard forces the green crap on the galaxy? Yes, exactly like that What organics did Joe kill? Oh that's right, you mean the geth. The geth signed their destruction the moment Commander dumba** let them upload the code. [/quote][/quote] That whole section was borked, I agree. Turning a race of synthetic life forms with a unique perspective of the universe into a bunch of mechanical Pinocchios was as creatively bankrupt as it gets. nevertheless, the point stands.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Apr 6, 2022 16:05:06 GMT
Although I have no idea which direction the new ME goes, I thought the video below was at least interesting enough to show you. This Is How Shepard Most Likely Could Survive into Mass Effect 4 - MrHulthen.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 9, 2022 3:57:13 GMT
Although I have no idea which direction the new ME goes, I thought the video below was at least interesting enough to show you. This Is How Shepard Most Likely Could Survive into Mass Effect 4 - MrHulthen.
Its the obvious option, I and others brought it up early on. If Ryder or a perhaps closes analogy would be ryders mom as she was frozen to dodge illness can cryo freeze for 600+ years so could Shepard if his injuries were so severe they couldn't fix him at that time.
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Post by trinity0 on Apr 9, 2022 10:40:18 GMT
I don´t think it would be a good idea to make Shepard or Ryder the protagonist in ME4.
Even if they make the destroy breath ending canon and Shepard survives ME3 it would be a bad idea to make him the protagonist again. That would be like the 3 Disney Star Wars Movies where the recyvled everthing insteead of doing something new.
In the case of Ryder it is different. He/She is just not popular enough to make him/her the protagonist in ME4
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Post by themikefest on Apr 9, 2022 12:26:54 GMT
Although I have no idea which direction the new ME goes, I thought the video below was at least interesting enough to show you. This Is How Shepard Most Likely Could Survive into Mass Effect 4 - MrHulthen. I don't agree with it. He says t'soni could have put Shepard in cryo to live for the future. How would that happen? How much time has passed from the crucible firing to when the SR2 returns to the Citadel? Most likely Shepard was rescued before the SR2 shows up. It's even possible Shepard might be conscious. If so, why would he/she agree to being frozen? Who came up with the idea to have Shepard frozen? Who approved to have him frozen? Did Mrs. Shepard agree to have that happen for those who play a spacer Shepard? Even if Shepard is seriously injured, why would freezing him/her be a good thing? Cerberus was able to rebuild Shepard from being hamburger meat back to what he/she was. So why couldn't the doctors heal Shepard who isn't in as bad shape as the beginning of ME2?
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Post by Iakus on Apr 9, 2022 16:30:08 GMT
I don´t think it would be a good idea to make Shepard or Ryder the protagonist in ME4. Even if they make the destroy breath ending canon and Shepard survives ME3 it would be a bad idea to make him the protagonist again. That would be like the 3 Disney Star Wars Movies where the recyvled everthing insteead of doing something new. In the case of Ryder it is different. He/She is just not popular enough to make him/her the protagonist in ME4 "Somehow, Shepard returned"
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2022 15:43:15 GMT
As I've posted before, the geth could survive the red. In ME4, the geth remain, but as the story moves forward, the geth start returning to what they were before downloading the reaper code. By the end of the game, they are back to what they were at the start of ME3. It's even easier than that. We know some geth went to Andromeda (let's pretend it happened, okay?). According to Legion "we are all geth". Okay, so the MW geth get wiped out but we still have the Andromeda geth. We know geth can see what's going on in Andromeda in the moment with the Kholas Array. That's was the AI used to find their "golden worlds". If the geth were to look back from Andromeda at any point they might think it's worthwhile to send at least some of the back to the MW. Since they're "all geth" it doesn't matter. Some here, some there, they're all the same. Sure, it might take 1200 years but geth, real, original geth, could return to the MW. I'd actually posit that the downloaded into unique bodies geth are not real geth. It's also a sham that they should want to exist in exactly the same way as humans. It was never true before but all of a sudden it's what they want. How do you gain a consensus for that?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2022 15:56:07 GMT
In synthesis, Geth are now equal and socialized in society, they’d be more outgoing and more able to maintain relationships. Any conflict between Geth and organics would be based on their personaltiy or believes clashing, not their origin. This is true but it's also true of the Reapers. We won't fight over organic vs synthetic but any major disagreement is potentially going to lead to mass genocide. Hooray for keeping the deadliest entities to ever exist up and running and free! Plus, those awesome husks, cannibals, brutes, marauders and so forth get to exist as what exactly? Former host minds? Manufactured out of nothing minds? I'm just curious. I still imagine being a survivor who had a loved one turned into a husk and wondering if one of those is some mindless husk. Ugh, sorry, but the one and only thing good to come out of Synthesis is that there's no more organic vs synthetic war. Every other kind of war is still on the table and whatever disgusting creatures the Reapers left behind are out there. Plus, the Reapers themselves are created using the genetic goo of entire extinct races. I just can't do it. I feel sorry for essentially a handful of a race that barely got to get going. If it comes down to stopping another billion years of genocide (whatever reason they might come up with) or having to mourn the loss of the geth, I know what I'd choose. It's also worth pointing out that every race who participated in the war against the Reapers knew they might die. Even EDI, who I really love, knew the stakes and was willing to fight to the death to end the Reapers. And you learn that hero is known/celebrated for killing everything like you, because you weren’t considered equal or worth saving. Then you get built in the image of the corpses of a fallen civilization with no connection to their mainframe or culture. This isn't exactly the way they work. In ME2 we had the choice to kill the heretic geth (which is actually a Paragon choice, though not shown to be so) or convert them with a virus. If you convert them they're still geth. If you download them into different bodies, they're still geth. You're acting like they wouldn't still be geth just because they're in different bodies. There's absolutely no evidence to back up that claim. OTOH, the evidence shows that the platform is irrelevant. It's the programs that matter and even then they don't need to be housed together. We know reducing platforms with geth programs make them weaker but once given new bodies they would continue to build platforms and be stronger. If your argument is "they're gone for good so we should save them" that's fine. I'd still choose Destroy. The one you're putting forward doesn't add up.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 11, 2022 17:02:20 GMT
As I've posted before, the geth could survive the red. In ME4, the geth remain, but as the story moves forward, the geth start returning to what they were before downloading the reaper code. By the end of the game, they are back to what they were at the start of ME3. It's even easier than that. We know some geth went to Andromeda (let's pretend it happened, okay?). According to Legion "we are all geth". Okay, so the MW geth get wiped out but we still have the Andromeda geth. We know geth can see what's going on in Andromeda in the moment with the Kholas Array. That's was the AI used to find their "golden worlds". If the geth were to look back from Andromeda at any point they might think it's worthwhile to send at least some of the back to the MW. Since they're "all geth" it doesn't matter. Some here, some there, they're all the same. Sure, it might take 1200 years but geth, real, original geth, could return to the MW. I'd actually posit that the downloaded into unique bodies geth are not real geth. It's also a sham that they should want to exist in exactly the same way as humans. It was never true before but all of a sudden it's what they want. How do you gain a consensus for that? If what you say happen(s/ed), wouldn't legion have known that? I've also posted before did Legion known about the geth telescope? Would Legion have mentioned any of that? As far as geth going to Andromeda, it would have no impact on the trilogy, but having information about the telescope might. There could be a mission to infiltrate the area. Maybe turning the telescope into a weapon to be used against the reapers? Or with a lot, a very a lot of luck, to locate where the reapers are in darkspace giving an idea of how long before they arrive. Maybe even the location of where they spend 50,000 years in between harvests.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2022 1:30:32 GMT
If what you say happen(s/ed), wouldn't legion have known that? I've also posted before did Legion known about the geth telescope? Would Legion have mentioned any of that? As far as geth going to Andromeda, it would have no impact on the trilogy, but having information about the telescope might. There could be a mission to infiltrate the area. Maybe turning the telescope into a weapon to be used against the reapers? Or with a lot, a very a lot of luck, to locate where the reapers are in darkspace giving an idea of how long before they arrive. Maybe even the location of where they spend 50,000 years in between harvests. I would have to assume that Legion did know about the telescope. Maybe it never mentioned the telescope because it wasn't useful. The entire galaxy wasn't headed off to Andromeda. The thing about dark space is interesting. We did learn one thing. The geth are capable of fracturing no matter what. There were the heretics who sided with the Reapers. I usually kill them. The remaining geth still split where a new faction decides to once against side with the Reapers. I guess you could make a point that the geth will split whenever they have great fear. I agree that the telescope would have no impact on the trilogy. I was just looking for a way to placate those who think the geth are gone for good. They aren't.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 12, 2022 17:14:22 GMT
I agree that the telescope would have no impact on the trilogy. I was just looking for a way to placate those who think the geth are gone for good. They aren't. I never said the telescope wouldn't have any impact. I said the geth going Andromeda wouldn't.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2022 1:59:10 GMT
I agree that the telescope would have no impact on the trilogy. I was just looking for a way to placate those who think the geth are gone for good. They aren't. I never said the telescope wouldn't have any impact. I said the geth going Andromeda wouldn't. Glossed right over that! I don't know how the telescope could be a weapon outside of helping us spy. We had no idea of how fast the Reapers were capable of moving. Sovereign didn't show us it could move that fast. Within six months they were everywhere in the MW. To me that suggests they must have been spread around the entire rim of the galaxy. I guess it could have helped to know that they were on the move. Don't know if it would have made a difference other than try to build shelters. Even that would have failed when you have people like TIM running around actively trying to sabotage the Council races - something Prothean indoctrinated were known to have done. Knowledge of their coming was still better than lack of knowledge.
How would we have gotten our hands on the telescope? Best bet is Legion but they were in crisis mode while he was around (except when you were spending time finding jewelry for an asari on Illium). I know you can trick a C-Sec agent into letting a geth onto the Citadel pretty easily but the geth seem smarter than that. They'd notice if an organic were hanging around.
Also, I didn't say the geth going to Andromeda would impact the MET. I said that if some returned, probably 1200 years later, it would prove that the geth weren't extinct. They just moved to another galaxy and were capable of returning. So, yeah, zero impact on the MET.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 13, 2022 2:49:50 GMT
Glossed right over that! I don't know how the telescope could be a weapon outside of helping us spy. I don't know. If the geth were able to come up with putting 3 relay's together to look around the universe, I'm sure Legion, and maybe any geth on it's side, could figure out a way to use them as a weapon. He knew about the crucible being built. Didn't know where. Had the relay network been shutdown, eventually TIM would have found the location of the build site leading to sabotage. Look at the prothean cycle. I bet if they had use of the relays like us in this cycle, they most likely would have destroyed the reapers. And yet an organic managed to get all kinds of information about the telescope to share with Garson. I know what you posted. Since the red doesn't show any geth destroyed, one can assume they might still be around. You also have the guy saying the details changed, it happened so long ago. He's already changed the story once before. Why can't he change it again? Then again, I like to hear the story told to him to know if it matches what he told the kid.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2022 5:41:36 GMT
I know what you posted. Since the red doesn't show any geth destroyed, one can assume they might still be around. You also have the guy saying the details changed, it happened so long ago. He's already changed the story once before. Why can't he change it again? Then again, I like to hear the story told to him to know if it matches what he told the kid. That is true. It does allow the devs a free hand with the endings. If they wanted they could say: the Reapers were destroyed or their reprogrammed the Starbrat so that they were under organic control, and non-Reaper synthetics came "alive". Just ideas but, yeah, they could make some changes that might not make everyone happy but has less chance of alienating players. Of course, I'd still press the red button in a heartbeat but I suppose some compromise is possible.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 14, 2022 9:34:39 GMT
As I've posted before, the geth could survive the red. In ME4, the geth remain, but as the story moves forward, the geth start returning to what they were before downloading the reaper code. By the end of the game, they are back to what they were at the start of ME3. It's even easier than that. We know some geth went to Andromeda (let's pretend it happened, okay?). According to Legion "we are all geth". Okay, so the MW geth get wiped out but we still have the Andromeda geth. We know geth can see what's going on in Andromeda in the moment with the Kholas Array. That's was the AI used to find their "golden worlds". If the geth were to look back from Andromeda at any point they might think it's worthwhile to send at least some of the back to the MW. Since they're "all geth" it doesn't matter. Some here, some there, they're all the same. Sure, it might take 1200 years but geth, real, original geth, could return to the MW. I'd actually posit that the downloaded into unique bodies geth are not real geth. It's also a sham that they should want to exist in exactly the same way as humans. It was never true before but all of a sudden it's what they want. How do you gain a consensus for that?Chris Étoile, who created the Geth and EDI (as well as most of the universe’s worldbuilding) but left the job after he finished his ME2 writing, said outright that it would make no sense for AI to take on a Pinocchio style “wanting to be a real boy” approach. Their notion of life is not to just copy and be organic life with solid state hardware. The Shepard armor bit that many of us (myself included) took to mean Legion had some sort of pseudo-emotional fascination with Shepard, it turns out, was a top down directive from the execs that Legion should be wearing a piece of Shep’s armor. It wasn’t part of his writing or development. Replaying ME3 recently, it hit me how much they did that kind of anthropomorphism in the game. I still enjoyed the experience, but it felt jarring coming right off of replaying ME2 (whereas last time I played ME3 was at launch, so there was a bit of distance from ME2’s writing of Legion and the Geth).
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