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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 15, 2021 8:42:48 GMT
While I don't know alot about Maeveris I am gonna go with the cliche old people need love too. I agree but it does seem as though she is devoted to the memory of her dead husband and hasn't sought another permanent relationship, so I'm not sure if they would choose to go against this by allowing the PC to romance her. However, they could explore having a close platonic relationship. Anyway I'd be happy to have Maevaris around for the fun of it as she does give off vibes of being based on Mae West and she was famous for her wise-cracks and one liners. Having an older companion who is fun rather than matronly would be different. Plus she is a really powerful mage. P.S. 50 isn't really that old, particularly if you have looked after yourself as Maevaris has done.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 15, 2021 13:19:43 GMT
While I don't know alot about Maeveris I am gonna go with the cliche old people need love too. I agree but it does seem as though she is devoted to the memory of her dead husband and hasn't sought another permanent relationship, so I'm not sure if they would choose to go against this by allowing the PC to romance her. However, they could explore having a close platonic relationship. Anyway I'd be happy to have Maevaris around for the fun of it as she does give off vibes of being based on Mae West and she was famous for her wise-cracks and one liners. Having an older companion who is fun rather than matronly would be different. Plus she is a really powerful mage. P.S. 50 isn't really that old, particularly if you have looked after yourself as Maevaris has done. I imagine if they cast healing magic upon themselves every day even if they had no injuries they could slow down the problems of aging. It wouldn't make them immortal but think about it. The damage from the sun that causes more wrinkles then usual could be stopped as everyday your body healed that. The wear and tear on your body that just living life causes could be healed and this goes for the internal organs and such as well. Again it would completly stop aging but it should slow it down or at the very least it should mean that the aches and pains we get as we age would be alot less then for most people.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 15, 2021 13:25:19 GMT
Frankly all BioWare characters are basically some level of quantum at this point...erm all companions I should clarify... The issue at this point is whether or not and how much said companions are and it just strikes me that, unless I am mistaken from one of those alternative playthroughs that I never got to, Dorian pretty much always ends up in Tevinter. Yes he and the Inquisitor may have a romance arc going but such a long distance relationship (unless we are prepared to suggest that he can just sneak the Inquisitor into Tevinter, which should logically have about as many problems as Iron Bull), would likely mean not relly having a relationship. They can talk but unless Dorian can somewhow make frequent trips to the South, which has already been discussed as being problematic, they'd be kind of doomed from a romantic angle. So, not entirely a big deal for a cameo or even significant involvement in the plot which remains likely given his position in Tevinter and given how he is essentially one of the leaders of the opposition. Well if the inquisitor disbands the inquisiton he could probably go to tevinter as long as he doesn't make himself well known. After all how many people in Tevinter have actually seen the inquistor.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 15, 2021 14:42:18 GMT
Well if the inquisitor disbands the inquisiton he could probably go to tevinter as long as he doesn't make himself well known. After all how many people in Tevinter have actually seen the inquistor. Yes he and the Inquisitor may have a romance arc going but such a long distance relationship (unless we are prepared to suggest that he can just sneak the Inquisitor into Tevinter, which should logically have about as many problems as Iron Bull), would likely mean not relly having a relationship. Trespasser says this about their long distance romance: Magister Pavus's allies said that his greatest strength lay in the lover he left in the South, but still conversed with via message crystal. Some claimed to have seen the Inquisitor on the streets of Minrathous on rare occasions, sneaking into the heart of Tevinter to aid his amatus.This seems to imply that whether you disband or not, occasionally they do make it into the heart of the Imperium to see him. Of course, this is only rumours, which can be found to be false. Also, whilst a human, dwarf or elf would pretty much blend in, you would imagine a Vashoth would have the same problem as Iron Bull. Except, part of the problem I highlighted with Bull is that he tends to take his mercenary band with him and he also has a very distinctive appearance. It is highly likely that Tevinter spies (or secret Venatori in the Magisterium) would have fed back the fact that he was originally a member of the Ben'Hassrath (since he admitted he was a spy for the Qun when he joined the Inquisition) and most people in Tevinter would probably not believe that he was now a genuine Tal'Vashoth. So this could be why it is expedient for him not to try and enter Minrathous. Also, when writing that epilogue about an Inquisitor romancing Dorian they may have overlooked the fact that he could be Vashoth and likely to raise serious objections once the Qun invaded because most people don't see much difference between one horned guy and another.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 15, 2021 14:50:44 GMT
Dorian is a romance companion so he should be a quantum character. They have already covered themselves with the romance. See my post above. The implication is that the Inquisitor may very occasionally sneak in to see him but not enough that you would expect to see them. Meanwhile Bull never goes to see Dorian in Tevinter. What it does mitigate against is Dorian being a potential romance in DA4 but if they weren't going to include him at all, because of the romance, then why not let him stay in the south instead of always sending him back to Tevinter whether he is in a romance or not? Instead they have his father murdered and Dorian inheriting his seat on the Magisterium, plus setting up the Lucerni with Maevaris. As joint head of an important faction in Tevinter politics it does seem they were planning on including him next game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 15, 2021 15:08:26 GMT
Please no we already have 3 Qunari companions (Iron Bull is more Qunari than a real Tal-Vashoth) i would much prefer her as a true Tal-Vashoth for the entire game.
Why not a Vashoth though? A Tal-Vashoth would have rejected the Qun outright, so we could learn why they did this but we have encountered more Tal-Vashoth NPCs than we have Vashoth, so it would make it interesting if she was one and give her a backstory of something other than mercenary (as was the case with the Inquisitor Vashoth). I must admit either would explain why she seems to be working with the Crows. I imagine they would value a genuine Tal-Vashoth for the insights they could give them about their enemy. The reason I thought she might be Ben'Hassrath or have some sort of connection with the Qun is the idea she could be Rasaan. We know she is actively seeking information about Solas with which they hope to undermine him in some way. Also WoT2 said of her that if the invasion went ahead (as it has done) " the humans of Thedas will soon see a great deal more of Rasaan than they care to". Now technically she is the Ariqun in waiting rather than Ben'Hassrath but that still makes for a fascinating character. Since normally she should be with the Arishok and advising him but isn't in Tevinter Nights, that would suggest she is no longer with him in the Antaam but has been seconded to the Ben'Hassrath because the Antaam have allegedly broken away from Par Vollen and also it is likely that the Ariqun thinks dealing with the threat of Solas more important than advising the Arishok, particularly if he has already rejected her advice. To be able to interact with and influence the future Ariqun could be very important. Also, she ought to be able to give accurate insights into the Qun and should absolutely know their origins, so expanding our knowledge of them.
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Post by catcher on Dec 15, 2021 22:21:27 GMT
Some observations not so much about the current line of discussion but impacting earlier ones and the topic as a whole. 1: What Fen'Harel is contemplating is several orders of magnitude BIGGER than what the piker Corypheus wanted to do. Cory was just trying to punch himself through the Veil. The Wolf is taking the whole thing down, completely altering reality. In DA:I, Cory tells the Inquisitor that she/he "interrupted a ritual years in the making'. It's no wonder Fen'Harel was despondent when the Focus was destroyed and was forced to absorb the spirit of Mythal. As the noted magical scholar, Tim "the Staff Man" Taylor, said. "MOAR PWR!" Even with that and other sources he's picked up along the way, is it any wonder that the actual spells to take down the Veil could take a decade or more? Just kind of surprises me how quickly some Players think this will happen. 2: Regardless of what you choose in Tresspasser (or if you don't play Tresspasser at all), the Inquisition is not well-equipped to deal with a threat like Fen'Harel. They are too Southern for an adventure that seems focused in the North. It would be hard for the Big Inquisition (or the smaller one under the Andratean Divine for that matter) to operate in the North without looking like an invasion. The smaller notQuisition doesn't start with the resources or contacts in the North it would need. Further, the Inquisition as it grew, was focused on high levels and on big threat footprints. Corypheus threw around armies of people that made for a big show. Fen'Harel is likely using smaller groups of socially invisible elves and the Eluvian network that would fall below Inquisition detection range. Beyond that, he's been supporting more than a little of the unrest in the North to cover his tracks. Whatever state the Inquisition is in after any ending (and the disbanded Inquisition is actually better equipped than the other two, but not well equipped at all), it's not hard to see why they aren't kicking down the door while Fen'Harel waxes his moustache with Snidely Whiplash brand twirling wax. This challenge is going to require something very different from the Inquisition. 3: The ending of Trespasser was written when DA4 was young and coming soon. We're...a long way from that and trying to force whatever DA4 is going to be to fit whatever was being contemplated back then is an exercise in futility. Its not the writers fault. There was no way anyone then could see what kind of Development Hell awaited the next installment. At the same time, development was early enough where they no doubt had to 'hedge their bets' on what role the Inquisitor would or would not play in the new game. All those plans and contingencies have since been blown away by six years of reboots and resignations. It's not realistic to expect the writing team now to hew to those same plans now. Thanks for your time.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 16, 2021 0:27:52 GMT
Another aspect of this which should dove tail nicely with where Inquisition was. I think the time skip will help reinforce an entire new generation of heroes. Most of the characters and heroes we have looked up to at this point has been very young in the time during the Dragon Age so now is the time for more people to rise up that have spent probably most of their lives in the DA and not really influenced by anything from before hand. Which fits nicely with Inquisition being what pivoted to us and heralded in the new age.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 16, 2021 8:38:16 GMT
I think the time skip will help reinforce an entire new generation of heroes. Whilst I don't subscribe to the notion that a hero can't be from the older generation, I have to admit that most players are likely to see themselves as somewhat younger and our previous PCs are falling outside the age range that most would identify with. Naturally you could play the Inquisitor as any age you wished in your head, but on the whole, given their respective back stories, they were likely older than either the Hero or Hawke when they entered the picture. This seems reinforced by the fact that the majority of our Inner Circle were in the 30-40 bracket +/- a couple of years either way when we meet them. People were in their respective roles because they had experience behind them, even Sera although she was the youngest and to my mind the only one who could conceivably be in her early 20s. (I don't count Cole as although he presents as a young man, he has been in his Cole persona for a number of years and spirits are ageless). Even 3-4 years after defeating Corypheus (depending on how much time you thought it took) had moved them upwards, often into a different age range to the one they started with. The Inquisitor by virtue of their age if nothing else would invite questions as to their past life and the suspicion that information was being withheld if they weren't open about it. This would be true of any of their trusted agents from the Inquisition. As has also been pointed out they are not really familiar with the northern culture and so might make mistakes that would draw attention to themselves. So even without the angle that "Solas knows them", it made sense to recruit new, younger agents with a background in the north so they could more easily blend in and stay undetected. I assume once that had been established by the writers, why not the time skip to make a clean break of it? Funnily enough, I remember several of us commenting on the slide for Dorian at the end of Trespasser seeming to show an older version than we were accustomed to. That would seem to have been anticipating the time skip as Dorian in 9:52 is 41 years of age.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 16, 2021 9:21:40 GMT
I think the time skip will help reinforce an entire new generation of heroes. Whilst I don't subscribe to the notion that a hero can't be from the older generation, I have to admit that most players are likely to see themselves as somewhat younger and our previous PCs are falling outside the age range that most would identify with. Naturally you could play the Inquisitor as any age you wished in your head, but on the whole, given their respective back stories, they were likely older than either the Hero or Hawke when they entered the picture. This seems reinforced by the fact that the majority of our Inner Circle were in the 30-40 bracket +/- a couple of years either way when we meet them. People were in their respective roles because they had experience behind them, even Sera although she was the youngest and to my mind the only one who could conceivably be in her early 20s. (I don't count Cole as although he presents as a young man, he has been in his Cole persona for a number of years and spirits are ageless). Even 3-4 years after defeating Corypheus (depending on how much time you thought it took) had moved them upwards, often into a different age range to the one they started with. The Inquisitor by virtue of their age if nothing else would invite questions as to their past life and the suspicion that information was being withheld if they weren't open about it. This would be true of any of their trusted agents from the Inquisition. As has also been pointed out they are not really familiar with the northern culture and so might make mistakes that would draw attention to themselves. So even without the angle that "Solas knows them", it made sense to recruit new, younger agents with a background in the north so they could more easily blend in and stay undetected. I assume once that had been established by the writers, why not the time skip to make a clean break of it? Funnily enough, I remember several of us commenting on the slide for Dorian at the end of Trespasser seeming to show an older version than we were accustomed to. That would seem to have been anticipating the time skip as Dorian in 9:52 is 41 years of age. So not only are the Inquisitors worthless bums now, but they’d be idiots? Yeah heaven forbid they learn about other cultures. It’s not like they do that in DAI. Oh wait… Also all three protagonists are around the same age, since BioWare said Inky can be anywhere from 20-40 in DAI. Hawke is actually the oldest since they are set at being 23-24 at the beginning of DA2.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 16, 2021 12:26:10 GMT
Also all three protagonists are around the same age, since BioWare said Inky can be anywhere from 20-40 in DAI. Hawke is actually the oldest since they are set at being 23-24 at the beginning of DA2. Which means the median is around 30 and on the whole I would say they would be mid-twenties onwards in the majority of cases. I would suggest the human noble background probably leave greatest amount of wiggle room for being younger. So not only are the Inquisitors worthless bums now, but they’d be idiots? Yeah heaven forbid they learn about other cultures. It’s not like they do that in DAI. Oh wait… Where did I say that? I was pointing out that overall the cultures up north are going to be different to what we have been accustomed to down south. The differences between Orlais and Ferelden aren't as great as between those nations and, say, Tevinter. Now I thought it odd that a Dalish elf could gain admittance to the Conclave, let alone get anywhere near the Divine, so clearly logic doesn't always play a part in the writers' thinking on these matters. However, there are problems that certain races are going to encounter up north which I hope they don't just hand wave away. On the other hand, being a mage in Tevinter will be a totally different experience from down south. So to give an example, if you are a mage the general expectation will be that you received an education in a Circle (unless like Calpernia you were a slave). The next obvious question would be which Circle or who was your sponsor? Despite being the dominant factor in Tevinter mages are not as numerous as the Soporati by quite a long way, and the Circles do seem to be restricted to the main cities, meaning the options are limited, so you would have to be careful about what you claim for yourself and your cover story might get very complicated very quickly. That is all I was suggesting. A Soporati would probably not have quite the same level of problem but a local would still have grown up there and be totally immersed in the culture, so answering questions would come naturally in a way that would not be the case with a southerner and if you make even a small slip up, it could arouse suspicion. There is also the matter of accent. Naturally you could change your accent but local people will often spot if it is fake. The Inquisitor did not have this problem in the south because all of them came from the Freemarches, which is basically an offshoot of the nations to the south, with a corresponding mix of accents, and everyone knew you were an outsider (to Ferelden and Orlais) so it wasn't an issue. Luckily Tevinter is very large and cosmopolitan, so apparently someone with an Antivan accent (as we must assume is the case with the various Crows in the stories and comics) doesn't really stick out that much, although to be honest you would think the two in the Wigmaker Job would, particularly if you are expecting to be attacked by Crows. Still, to return to my original point, whilst we learned about various southern cultures whilst we were Inquisitor, it wasn't vital to our role, because we were already known to be an outsider. After the Conclave our presence was not exactly a secret. Trying to go under the radar in Tevinter (or Antiva or the Anderfels for that matter) is a completely different challenge where they don't want people to suspect their identity or even their origins. A Dalish Inquisitor for example, unless they romanced Solas and let him remove their vallaslin, would stick out immediately. The fact that if you romance Dorian, you are rumoured to be sneaking into Minrathous, suggests that despite their efforts to stay incognito, someone spotted them and realised who they were. That doesn't bode well for concealing one's movements.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 16, 2021 18:18:55 GMT
Guarantee the new PC is going to be an outsider. BioWare always does that so it makes sense why they are asking all the questions about the culture and events they should know. Also the Inquisitor was able to learn and master things far beyond their usual things. A Dalish could become well-versed in human politics, a Dwarf with magic, etc. I don’t see why they couldn’t do that with the Northern things, especially since they have years instead of months and have people who know all those things like Dorian, Josephine, etc to help teach.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 16, 2021 19:56:18 GMT
I don’t see why they couldn’t do that with the Northern things, especially since they have years instead of months and have people who know all those things like Dorian, Josephine, etc to help teach. Yes, and of course they have had 8 years in which to get up to speed, so I see your point. Guarantee the new PC is going to be an outsider. I thought someone might point out the big drawback to my argument, which is that as players we don't know any more than a southerner would in world. Of course, that is why I suggested that having a slave background could work best because you could be in Tevinter and yet not completely familiar with it, particularly if you had been captured from somewhere down south instead of born and raised as a slave in Tevinter. My only counter is that I was talking about the Inquisitor standing out because of their age in connection with their unfamiliarity. People would expect them to know things through lived experience that they might excuse in a younger person. Nevertheless, ignorance of the culture of their country of origin, whatever that might be, is going to be a problem when writing the new PC. I'm hoping they give us some sort of origin story prologue, like DAO, or at the very least some sort of lead in story to ease us into the role and the setting, rather than just plonk us down in the middle of the action, like in DAI. However, I suppose they could keep just chucking codices at us and then give us a few option for conversation that lead us in the right direction so don't appear totally ignorant, a bit like when Josephine discusses our background with us.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 16, 2021 20:34:03 GMT
For reference here is how I tend to view such things.
My Inquisitor-She'll be 37 by the time DA 4 will roll about, assmuing she isn't killed off screen. A bit young admittedly but she's already fought in one world war she is not too eager to fight in another.
Leiliana- I am given the impression that she will be in her fifties at that time and in Tresspasser was actively contemplating retirement and training her successors.
Cassandra- Fifties and Divine, Thedas pope. I don't see her doing a lot of traveling.
Cullen- Mid Forties and while he could be leading the Inquisition's army (and in my personal headcanon I even have him as Inquisitor) and plus the distinct impression from how I have left the world state he and my Inquisitor is off living their lives as quietly as I can.
Dorian- Early Forties and is leading the Tevinter Official Opposition Party. Too important of a figure to risk on the frontlines though we could see him.
Blackwall- Age unknown but he does seeem to be a pretty seasoned warrior who is off on his 'redemption tour'.
Which pretty much just leaves Varric, Sera, Iron Bull, and Morrigan. Which I would say Varric might also be pushing it in age but we already know he will have some roll in DA 4. Iron Bull is off leading his Chargers (maybe) and Morrigan is pretty much the only character that might return in some form despite her age as well, which is indeterminate but I get the feeling she has to be pushing it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 16, 2021 20:42:12 GMT
I don’t see why they couldn’t do that with the Northern things, especially since they have years instead of months and have people who know all those things like Dorian, Josephine, etc to help teach. Yes, and of course they have had 8 years in which to get up to speed, so I see your point. Guarantee the new PC is going to be an outsider. I thought someone might point out the big drawback to my argument, which is that as players we don't know any more than a southerner would in world. Of course, that is why I suggested that having a slave background could work best because you could be in Tevinter and yet not completely familiar with it, particularly if you had been captured from somewhere down south instead of born and raised as a slave in Tevinter. My only counter is that I was talking about the Inquisitor standing out because of their age in connection with their unfamiliarity. People would expect them to know things through lived experience that they might excuse in a younger person. Nevertheless, ignorance of the culture of their country of origin, whatever that might be, is going to be a problem when writing the new PC. I'm hoping they give us some sort of origin story prologue, like DAO, or at the very least some sort of lead in story to ease us into the role and the setting, rather than just plonk us down in the middle of the action, like in DAI. However, I suppose they could keep just chucking codices at us and then give us a few option for conversation that lead us in the right direction so don't appear totally ignorant, a bit like when Josephine discusses our background with us. Even with age, I don’t see unfamiliarity with the culture as an issue. People immigrate at all ages. Plus let’s be honest, there are a lot of outsiders who know more about a country than people who have lived there their entire lives. As for origins, personally I hope they don’t. Ironically they were my least favorite part of Dragon Age: Origins. I could see them doing some sort of lead in, though being dropped into the action might fit with the themes.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 17, 2021 8:05:50 GMT
I could see them doing some sort of lead in, though being dropped into the action might fit with the themes. I suppose it depends on how they want to develop the story. Immediately after Trespasser when I thought the game was going to start with the Qunari invasion, I could see them beginning with the PC going about their lives in, say, Qarinus, and then the Qunari attack, which would plunge you straight into the action. However, that idea was done away with by the comic series. Of course, they could still have your settlement attacked by the Qunari but by 9:52 this should be less of a surprise attack and people ought to be prepared. They said in that video last year they wanted to explore what it was like having no power, at least at the beginning. Then the trailer emphasised that you shouldn't expect any special traits that single you out from everyone else. In some ways it does get back to the scenario at the beginning of DA2. Hawke started off from rock bottom as a penniless refugee and strangely enough they also spent a lot of their time dealing with problems that those in power were either unwilling or unable to deal with, which was said to be another theme of DA4. Mind you, dealing with the chaos when no one else will was actually the theme of DAI and so far as my Inquisitor is concerned, they are still doing so. I'm assuming that the new PC won't be aware of the threat from Solas immediately though. It does seem likely they will get involved with other major issues, like the Qunari invasion and problems with the Grey Wardens, during the course of which they are made aware of an even bigger threat and presumably that is when the Inquisition steps in a fills them in on what they know and they join forces. Alternatively, they do recruit us from the beginning of the game as an agent but that seems less likely as you would automatically be part of the group that still does have some degree of power and influence with people, thus rather negating the idea that they are going to explore what it is like having no power. More likely, it would start with us experiencing some sort of danger, and the Qunari are the most obvious but it could equally be from the list of threats in the trailer: demons, dragons or darkspawn. Then after surviving that initial threat maybe we head off for, say, Minrathous, to petition the Magisterium for help for our people/settlement/region. That would then involve us in trying to navigate the political complexities of Tevinter, which someone from the provinces might not be familiar with (so learning opportunity) and in the course of that they gain contacts and allies.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 17, 2021 15:15:00 GMT
I could see them doing some sort of lead in, though being dropped into the action might fit with the themes. I suppose it depends on how they want to develop the story. Immediately after Trespasser when I thought the game was going to start with the Qunari invasion, I could see them beginning with the PC going about their lives in, say, Qarinus, and then the Qunari attack, which would plunge you straight into the action. However, that idea was done away with by the comic series. Of course, they could still have your settlement attacked by the Qunari but by 9:52 this should be less of a surprise attack and people ought to be prepared. They said in that video last year they wanted to explore what it was like having no power, at least at the beginning. Then the trailer emphasised that you shouldn't expect any special traits that single you out from everyone else. In some ways it does get back to the scenario at the beginning of DA2. Hawke started off from rock bottom as a penniless refugee and strangely enough they also spent a lot of their time dealing with problems that those in power were either unwilling or unable to deal with, which was said to be another theme of DA4. Mind you, dealing with the chaos when no one else will was actually the theme of DAI and so far as my Inquisitor is concerned, they are still doing so. I'm assuming that the new PC won't be aware of the threat from Solas immediately though. It does seem likely they will get involved with other major issues, like the Qunari invasion and problems with the Grey Wardens, during the course of which they are made aware of an even bigger threat and presumably that is when the Inquisition steps in a fills them in on what they know and they join forces. Alternatively, they do recruit us from the beginning of the game as an agent but that seems less likely as you would automatically be part of the group that still does have some degree of power and influence with people, thus rather negating the idea that they are going to explore what it is like having no power. More likely, it would start with us experiencing some sort of danger, and the Qunari are the most obvious but it could equally be from the list of threats in the trailer: demons, dragons or darkspawn. Then after surviving that initial threat maybe we head off for, say, Minrathous, to petition the Magisterium for help for our people/settlement/region. That would then involve us in trying to navigate the political complexities of Tevinter, which someone from the provinces might not be familiar with (so learning opportunity) and in the course of that they gain contacts and allies. Not to be "that guy" but that bit about "having nothing" and not being "special" is very vague on their part so I wouldn't focus on that too much as it was made years before the game even came out as well. I mean DA2 you start with nothing but in DAO they could say the exact same thing depending on what backround you took. If you are a city elf for example you are dirt poor and about to be killed by the guards. Dwarf commoner backround is the same. Even the dwarf noble has nothing if you think about it and is no longer special. So it could mean we start as anything in DA4.
Not trying to be an a** hole I am just pointing out I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Remember Cyberpunk 2077 put out a trailer that showed the game being in third person and then changed the whole thing to be first person. Trailers are there to hype up interest for the game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 17, 2021 16:51:35 GMT
Not to be "that guy" but that bit about "having nothing" and not being "special" is very vague on their part so I wouldn't focus on that too much as it was made years before the game even came out as well. I mean DA2 you start with nothing but in DAO they could say the exact same thing depending on what backround you took. Oh I'm not offended. I did say that really starting from nothing is not exactly a new theme. I used DA2 as an example rather than DAO because once we get past the origin stories you do have a certain status by virtue of being a Grey Warden and having the treaties to back you up. You have to undertake various quests sorting out local difficulties before people will commit to honouring those treaties but once you do sort out those problems, the various factions come through for you. Whereas in DA2, at least in Act 1, you do have nothing but your own abilities to progress in the world. To be honest though, I think those references to having no power in the video, followed by the "no magic hand" in the trailer were simply meant to emphasise that we will be playing as a new hero, not the Inquisitor.
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Post by hero11n7 on Dec 17, 2021 19:40:40 GMT
It could be possible that our new protagonist is some kind of mercenary. Just some anonymous sellsword (possibly from the south) who got swept up in important events because they just so happen to take a job that put them at the right place at the right time (not so different from Hawke). It might fit with the idea of our character being someone that people “wouldn’t see coming” since most mercenaries are written off as just hired muscle to be used as pawns in the grand schemes of “more important” people.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 17, 2021 20:54:42 GMT
It could be possible that our new protagonist is some kind of mercenary. Just some anonymous sellsword (possibly from the south) who got swept up in important events because they just so happen to take a job that put them at the right place at the right time (not so different from Hawke). It might fit with the idea of our character being someone that people “wouldn’t see coming” since most mercenaries are written off as just hired muscle to be used as pawns in the grand schemes of “more important” people. Oh joy, we're going to be forced to be some sellsword who does anything for money.
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Post by hero11n7 on Dec 17, 2021 21:05:49 GMT
It could be possible that our new protagonist is some kind of mercenary. Just some anonymous sellsword (possibly from the south) who got swept up in important events because they just so happen to take a job that put them at the right place at the right time (not so different from Hawke). It might fit with the idea of our character being someone that people “wouldn’t see coming” since most mercenaries are written off as just hired muscle to be used as pawns in the grand schemes of “more important” people. Oh joy, we're going to be forced to be some sellsword who does anything for money. I was just suggesting an idea to add to the conversation; don’t need to get all sour over it. Also, whether or not a mercenary is willing to do anything for money is up to them. They usually get to pick and choose what jobs they are willing to take. Plus, this would just be a starting point for the character, in theory.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 17, 2021 21:07:49 GMT
Oh joy, we're going to be forced to be some sellsword who does anything for money. I was just suggesting an idea to add to the conversation; don’t need to get all sour over it. Also, whether or not a mercenary is willing to do anything for money is up to them. They usually get to pick and choose what jobs they are willing to take. Plus, this would just be a starting point for the character, in theory. The problem is we don't get to pick and choose. Bioware will be doing that for us, then forcing their choices on us.
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Post by hero11n7 on Dec 17, 2021 21:12:12 GMT
I was just suggesting an idea to add to the conversation; don’t need to get all sour over it. Also, whether or not a mercenary is willing to do anything for money is up to them. They usually get to pick and choose what jobs they are willing to take. Plus, this would just be a starting point for the character, in theory. The problem is we don't get to pick and choose. Bioware will be doing that for us, then forcing their choices on us. Wouldn’t that be a problem regardless of the set up for our character? This a video game with limits to its programming, not a tabletop game like D&D where you can pretty much do anything. There’s always gonna be some element of railroading and limits to the choices we can make.
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 17, 2021 21:37:34 GMT
It could be possible that our new protagonist is some kind of mercenary. Just some anonymous sellsword (possibly from the south) who got swept up in important events because they just so happen to take a job that put them at the right place at the right time (not so different from Hawke). It might fit with the idea of our character being someone that people “wouldn’t see coming” since most mercenaries are written off as just hired muscle to be used as pawns in the grand schemes of “more important” people. Oh joy, we're going to be forced to be some sellsword who does anything for money. Oh come on, 90% of all RPG's start with the protagonist doing odd jobs and menial tasks to level and explore the world. We will be able to choose which quests to pursue, so you're not going to be forced to do *anything* for money. Contrary to popular stereotypes about mercenaries, it is possible to be a blue collar professional and still have morals and ethics. Unless you're one of those people that just *have* to play as the Chosen One of an Elite Order of Heroes...
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 17, 2021 21:43:27 GMT
I was just suggesting an idea to add to the conversation; don’t need to get all sour over it. Also, whether or not a mercenary is willing to do anything for money is up to them. They usually get to pick and choose what jobs they are willing to take. Plus, this would just be a starting point for the character, in theory. The problem is we don't get to pick and choose. Bioware will be doing that for us, then forcing their choices on us. Bioware has NEVER done completely blank slate protagonists in their RPGs. You knew this coming in, we all did. If playing slightly structured characters is such an issue for you, why did you keep playing Bioware games?
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