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I thought my spoiler also covered the bottom part before I signed off, so I apologize. I will say to anyone who read Noluxe's post above mine, not to worry, as he didn't spoil anything. What he said didn't actually happen, it was just a figure of speech about the disappointment in the writing of the character.
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What in the Jiminy Cricket fuck kinda useless tit of a cliffhanger ending was that!?
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This whole season in a nutshell...
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 5, 2024 10:29:58 GMT
What the fuck? A whole lotta nothin’ goin’ ‘round here. Was Helaena controlling the Harrenhal witch? Or was she just seeing through her eyes? We knew she was a bit odd, but I didn’t think she was a Seer. Which makes what happened in Harrenhall all the weirder. After all that, Daemon gets shown a vision of death and destruction and decides that everything he’d believed until that point was wrong? I feel I must be missing something really obvious with this whole section. The only interesting thing the whole episode was the Velaryon girl finding the dragon in the wild of The Vale. I sort of half expected her to just go missing. It would’ve fit thematically with the rest of the episode. Bit of a let down, unfortunately .
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Agreed on the prophecy stuff this episode. The visions themselves were cool, but their presence really threatens to undermine the conflict, and sets up an annoyingly direct continuation between this show and season 8 of Game of Thrones. Which ain't a good thing. The premise for that last conversation was pretty silly. Like the meeting in the sept, the writer totally cheated to make it happen. That said, Alicent suing for peace and throwing herself and her family on Rhaenyra's mercy now that Rhaenyra has the upper hand, and specifically has it because she has more and bigger dragons, and Aemond's already started burning the kingdom down.... That seems a pretty logical thing to do. To Alicent's mind, King's Landing is a sitting duck and they've pretty much lost this war going by the numbers, and the only apparent choice now is whether to go out surrendering or forcing Rhaenyra (and Helaena) to commit war crimes to end it. I actually like that Alicent is the one between the two who's humble enough to submit at that point, when Rhaenyra specifically wasn't when they met in the sept, and her faction was in pretty much the same situation. Rhaenyra may waffle for peace, but she refuses to actually sacrifice her own position to achieve it.
What made me lose my mind was Alicent affirming everything Rhaenyra's been doing all series. Being nothing but a belligerent presence at court, betraying her family and putting their and her children's heads on a chopping block by using her guards as sex objects and setting up a sham of a marriage just in order to have her cake and eat it, too, and -so far as Alicent knows- having her lawful husband killed so she could marry her doting uncle instead, after she completely half-assed their attempts to have true-born children who wouldn't cause a civil war. Her suddenly acting like she wanted to be a "good" queen in episode 10 of season 1 seemed ridiculous, because up to that point she'd pretty much done everything a female heir could to undermine the realm and make a peaceful transfer of power as unlikely as possible. When that was her only job for twenty years. Because she "knew what she wanted" and Alicent didn't? What?
Meanwhile Alicent has completely sacrificed herself to what seemed like the good of the kingdom since she was a young girl, and threw herself into ruling the kingdom dutifully, sensibly and lawfully. And while she failed to raise decent human beings to replace Rhaenyra when that situation came to its natural conclusion (as it would have long before, and much earlier in Aegon's and Aemond's developments, if Rhaenyra and/or Viserys had followed the law and conceded/rearranged the succession after Jace was born at the very latest) the circumstances were very much against her on that.
Even if we assumed that Alicent was just telling Rhaenyra whatever she wanted to hear in order to try and butter her up (which is how I'd prefer to read the scene, but it sure doesn't feel like that's how this writer sees things) the conversation still absolutely cements Rhaenyra as a complete, irresponsible and self-righteous moron with shit for perspective on her own actions and responsibility. Which is pretty much in-character at this point, but still not fantastic?
And I'm going to assume that they have something different from the book in mind for next season, in regards to those two and King's Landing, since they felt the need to have these two stupid conversations this season instead of just saving them for later. Or that would make those scenes even more stupid than they already are, yes. Tyland's little adventure was a nice change of pace. Wish he had a better poker face when negotiating, but I'm proud of him for coming through for the Greens. Was a little afraid that Lohar would insist on buggering him on the entire trip back to the Gullet, but things turned out better for him than that! Hope we get just a little bit more of him and his brother going forward. The actor does a wonderful job with those two, both are charming and hilarious in totally different ways in every scene they're in. Also, this season has effectively repaired Cole as a character and made him human again after the "SIT DOWN" incident in the last one. His development into a weird, pious, clumsy psychopath was a major fumble, and I'm glad they took some effort to walk that back. Any scene with Ulf and Jace in the same room is also absolute gold. Loved that dynamic, even though it also makes Rhaenyra look pretty stupid. Overall I'm not quite as turned off by this as I was by the ending couple of episodes last season, excepting that insane Alicent/Rhaenyra scene. So I'll still be there next season for sure. But yeah, there's some real lack of consistency between episode quality.
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controlling the Harrenhal witch? Or was she just seeing through her eyes? We knew she was a bit odd, but I didn’t think she was a Seer. Presumably, that's exactly what she is. Albeit a nascent or "weak powered" one. (Or really powerful, depending on how you look at it. Just not a "Bran" powerful.) After all that, Daemon gets shown a vision of death and destruction and decides that everything he’d believed until that point was wrong? I feel I must be missing something really obvious with this whole section. Someone who knows the prophecy has to win this Dance. That number just went up from two (Rhaenyra/Jace) to three.
I think the idea behind the scene is that Daemon now knows the ASOIAF prophecy, how insignificant his part in it is, and how important it is that someone (Rhaenyra) manages to continue on. Lad got bitchslapped with some fourth wall breaking knowledge of how he really just is a character in a book. Existential crisis stuff. He mentions that his brother chose Rhaenyra because she could unify them all. (Not verbatim.) Couple that with that young lord of the Riverlands also putting Daemon in his place, I think Daemon realized he's not actually the best man for the job. He's a conqueror, not a unifier.
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Bit curious what that Satyr lookin' guy was that snuck behind the weirwood as Daemon was walking up to it. I sort of half expected her to just go missing. It would’ve fit thematically with the rest of the episode. ***
The episode felt like a great episode 8... of 10.
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Post by melbella on Aug 6, 2024 0:11:57 GMT
Bit curious what that Satyr lookin' guy was that snuck behind the weirwood as Daemon was walking up to it. An article I read summarizing the ep said it was one of the forest folk?
The episode felt like a great episode 8... of 10. Same. Lots of build up but nothing earth-shattering. That should come in the next episode or two, preferably a week away, not 1+ years.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Aug 6, 2024 0:46:49 GMT
I think my main problem (maybe I'm reading the writing wrong) but it feels like they want Alicent to be Rhaenrya's fan after all these years, and I don't understand it. They have lived longer in conflict together at this point than as friends. If I remember correctly, they even had Alicent ask if Rhaenrya would go away with her.....huh? Well, as far as anyone knows at this point, Daemon says thank you to that, because I couldn't see him ever walking away from the conflict. I liked the friendship and wanted to see a major falling out from it, but it seems the writers liked the friendship too much to let it go. I'll admit it bothers me that they wrote her with the willingness to give up her children after she's done everything to protect them. Besides it wouldn't just be Aemond or Aegon, there's a high probability that it would also cause the deaths of her brother, lover, and most of all her son Daeron who had nothing to do with all of this, etc. The fact that they also had Rhaenrya say that Alicent never sacrificed anything? I don't know if it's to show Rhaenrya's delusions or if the writers actually believed that.
I also didn't understand the Alys/Halaena thing and if it was Halaena controlling Alys, vice versa or working together but I seriously hope it wasn't Halaena helping her child killer.
If it wasn't for the Alicent scene/prophecy stuff and the fact that it was the finale I could've enjoyed it. With the slower pacing this season and there only going to be 4 in total, it makes me wonder if they're going to cut a bunch of stuff out, especially if they only get 8 episodes again. I truly wish they ended with the battle of the gullet or the fall of Kings Landing and that's what I thought they were going to do.
Tyland and Jace was the best thing about this episode and we can already see that Rhaenrya's choice over the dragonseeds will haunt her.
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 6, 2024 2:28:20 GMT
I think from her perspective, her odds of convincing Rhaenyra to spare her actually decent and non-murderous children are a lot better than any of her children's odds of survival in a war against Rhaenyra's full complement of dragons, not knowing the friction going on at Dragonstone. And I get what you mean, and can totally see why "she'd never betray her kids" would be a natural reaction. But we already have Helaena's example of a queen sacrificing her son to protect herself and her daughter this season.
And for all that Alicent no doubt feels terrible about the damage she's done to Aegon herself, it's still only been a month or at most two since she was holding back tears comforting, threatening and dozing his most recent rape victim. As he points out to Varys, he's also unable to create another direct male heir, now. Which was the whole pretext for usurping Rhaenyra in the first place. Which counts for something in terms of his objective value as a human being, going by good old feudalism.
The writer for this episode is the same one who had Cole squash Beesbury by accident, and Rhaenys crush a few hundred smallfolk in the biggest on-screen mass murder since Daenerys in season 8 of GoT, before and after monologuing sanctimoniously about the dangerous nature of us vile cockhavers compared to non-cockhavers. On top of having the supposedly intelligent and savvy Mysaria try to blackmail Otto Hightower to improve conditions around Fleabottom. With none of that ever really being addressed again.
After that, I'm just grateful that the rest of this episode progressed more or less seamlessly, except for the Mysaria scene which was worthless as usual. Much better than the overall writing and dialogue in S1E9. I've been resigned to this person screwing the pooch and pulling some silly agenda-based stunts we're just going to have to try and ignore once or twice a season ever since. Honestly, the more I think about it, the better I like Ulf for being completely obnoxious. He was just a common pleb trying to be good company around the tavern, and Rhaenyra was the one who approached him to give him the status of a demigod, completely for her own purposes. And he did stand before a hungry dragon and only survive by luck, because she asked him to. Which sure as shit should count for something, to him. Nobody ever bothered to teach him how to talk at a Queen's table. He's doing right by himself, is all. And all she's getting is exactly what she bargained for. This is what you get for opening your doors to the proletariat without preparing for a culture clash.
Puttíng aside Jace's own feelings about the whole thing, I can also totally see why "Hey, your mixed blood doesn't matter either. I'm with you. Go out and get what you're worth, no matter what people tell us." would totally be a real and earnest show of solidarity from Ulf's perspective. You can imagine a reality where Jace had grown up more exposed to commoners, like Corlys is from sailing and soldiering, where he could have taken that for what it was and drawn some strength from it, and used it to get on some kind of wavelength with the Dragonseeds. Making them his dragonriders as much or more than his mom's, maybe. I think the idea behind the scene is that Daemon now knows the ASOIAF prophecy, how insignificant his part in it is, and how important it is that someone (Rhaenyra) manages to continue on. Lad got bitchslapped with some fourth wall breaking knowledge of how he really just is a character in a book. Existential crisis stuff. He mentions that his brother chose Rhaenyra because she could unify them all. (Not verbatim.) Couple that with that young lord of the Riverlands also putting Daemon in his place, I think Daemon realized he's not actually the best man for the job. He's a conqueror, not a unifier.d There's also the fact that his original dream in season 1 was to be Viserys' strong right-hand man, and that the main barrier to that was that he was too volatile to trust, fundamentally because of the issues he's been coming to terms with this season, and that Viserys' policies and cause didn't really seem worth championing. Becoming King always struck me as a stand-in for his real desire to simply protect and fight for someone he loved and believed in, as a great warrior. A real purpose, rather than a title. Getting ahold of his issues with vulnerability and submission finally makes that possible for him, personally, and the revelation of the divine purpose of whoever sits the Iron Throne makes Rhaenyra someone who both needs and deserves that devotion. Theoretically. An article I read summarizing the ep said it was one of the forest folk? The Green Men. The warg/greenseer kings of the First Men, who had blood from the Children of the Forest and shared their connection with the Weirwood. The Durrandons, the First Men-descended Stormkings that Orys Baratheon (Aegon I's bastard brother) effectively subjugated and gave his own name while keeping their style and imagery, used the stag as an homage to the Green Men, who sometimes had antlers. Hence the Baratheons' fondness for antlers on their helmets and crowns. The old headquarters for the Children of the Forest and the Green Men is a stone's throw from Harrenhall. A lot of the theories that Larys might be a rat-warg came from him growing up so close to that nexus plus the First Men/Stark blood of the Strongs. What we see in the episode could be a legit Green Man still hanging around the area, or the memory/vision of one of the ancient druids who tended to the Weirwood, or maybe even a Green Man who specifically left that vision for Daemon in the tree.
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Post by LawBringerSR2 on Aug 12, 2024 21:34:41 GMT
I'm beyond disappointed with that season "finale", with the entire Season 2 in fact. The only good scenes were the Cargyll twins duel, Rook's Rest and the Red Sowing. Beyond that, the plot has advanced almost nothing since S1.
This makes me have 0 expectations for future ASOIAF adaptations, hopefully I'm wrong and A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms turns out to be fine, but I'm not holding my breath.
Season 1 was very nice, why did they had to ruin this show?!? They really cancelled Raised By Wolves for this? May the Reapers get those responsible.
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When even Epic Trailer guy is going, "you gotta be f**king kiddin' me" you know you dun bad. "House of the Dragon, season one... point five."
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 16, 2024 17:32:20 GMT
Yeeeeeah. Ending two consecutive seasons two years apart with "Okay, NOW it's time for war!" really wasn't the best strategy. If Alicent and Rhaenyra hadn't spent the entire season just dithering and wringing their hands it might have helped some, though. At this point in the original series, Stannis had killed his playboy little brother and united most of the Stormlands and the Reach, and was about to try and take King's Landing by force, Robb Stark had already seceded his kingdom, secured the Riverlands and taken Harrenhall, and was well on the way to conquering Casterly Rock, Theon had conquered Winterfell and Dany was... well, dithering around in Quarth, mostly. But she was on a roller-coaster in season 1, so that's okay. Also, I totally forgot about Larys masturbating to Alicent's feet. Another splendid choice by that particular episode writer, which has borne so much fruit in the story since.
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Post by q5tyhj on Aug 17, 2024 16:50:10 GMT
What in the Jiminy Cricket fuck kinda useless tit of a cliffhanger ending was that!? yeah really wtf
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Post by LawBringerSR2 on Aug 18, 2024 2:05:31 GMT
What in the Jiminy Cricket fuck kinda useless tit of a cliffhanger ending was that!? yeah really wtf This show got Dracarysed. Which is a damm shame after that very nice starting season it had
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 19, 2024 14:49:01 GMT
Damn. Sometimes I feel immense sorrow that really sharp and catchy writers waste their time doing hilariously biased articles on pop culture wherein they strategically ignore whatever scenes, lines and realities they need to in order to push their agendas, and other times I'm just relieved that real journalism dodged at least a couple of bullets. Specifically had no idea that 'ethical non-nonmonogamy' covered gambling with the lives of thousands of the people who have always supported your lavish lifestyle with their taxes in the vain hope that you'll make some effort to ensure a peaceful succession, entirely because you'd rather be free to wipe your cunny with whomever you please, damn the consequences to your children and everyone else.
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 2, 2024 14:26:40 GMT
Thought this was a solid breakdown of my many problems with season 2
The biggest is that the writers seem terrified of treating Rhaenyra or Alicent as gray characters with agency this season, reducing them to the put upon but pure victims of patriarchy.
And that they seem to really want to obliterate any ambiguity as to which side is the moral one.
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