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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2024 19:11:24 GMT
Daemon needs to pick his assassins better. Not sure how they managed to mistake a boy who looks like a girl for a man with one eye. ![:hithead:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/BnTvXUVlogUfdrmfWgiy.gif) Yeah they weren't very sharp. If only someone like Jaqen had been available...
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Jun 19, 2024 22:50:27 GMT
That first scene with Cregan's monologue in the North and his conversation with Jace at the Wall was awesome The lines were awesome, but I thought the delivery was very wooden.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 20, 2024 22:08:21 GMT
Daemon needs to pick his assassins better. Not sure how they managed to mistake a boy who looks like a girl for a man with one eye. ![:hithead:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/BnTvXUVlogUfdrmfWgiy.gif) Well, it's not a mistake technically....just laziness. They asked Daemon in the scene "what they should do if they did not find Aemond", they all go silent and the focus centers on Daemon without another word said. There is an implication that Daemon said any son will do if they don't find Aemond even though it's not showed, in fact that's the line they give Helena "a son for a son." They get paid and it's easier for them. Other then that something about the scene felt really off for me even though I can't quite put my finger on it, it strangely lacked emotion, (and no I'm not saying I wanted to see anything graphic) I think it's because the mind play in the book is far worse, that or the acting really didn't resonate with me. I largely enjoyed the episode though, but I have a strange feeling they're going to go with Rhaenyra not knowing about the plot to avenge her son, I guess we'll wait and see. Crispy Cream is also still a clown and taking Alicent down with him, shame.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2024 23:02:12 GMT
Crispy Cream is also still a clown and taking Alicent down with him, shame. Birds of a feather, those two.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jun 22, 2024 4:40:32 GMT
I, for one, am kind of happy that Alicent finally gets to have a man half as attractive as she is, who cares for her as a person. She let a rotting corpse hump her for over a decade and carried three children in the name of duty, Realm and family, and nothing we've seen even indicates she was unfaithful to Visery while he was alive. Unlike bratty teenage Rhaenyra, middle-aged Alicent has actually earned the right to a forbidden romance with a handsome and devoted knight! Who by now is old enough that it's definitely his own fucking fault if he gets gelded over it.
And I liked the assassin sequence somewhat better, except for the ending. Daemon magically having an opportunity to smuggle assassins into the Red Keep, and doing it to kill children for revenge but not Aegon or Aemond or even indiscriminately to help win the war, always struck me as really weird. Same with them being less than ultra-competent. If it was that easy to get to royalty and kill them, royalty wouldn't be a thing. It's just one of those passages that make you go "that's not quite how it would have gone if Martin actually had to show us exactly how it happened", and I'm glad the series made an adjustment there.
Too bad they chickened out with Helaena's choice. Whole scene isn't nearly as hard to watch as Ramsay feeding his mother-in-law and her baby to his dogs. Liked her acting, though. Her seeming totally overwhelmed, and also having the detachment to pick her daughter up and leave the room (which she shouldn't have been allowed to, but okay, guess it takes two grown men to saw a child's head off) to go and find her mother/kingsguard while her son was being murdered resonated well for someone on the spectrum. Where a more rational and functional mother would just have screamed at her kids to run and fought back against the attackers as violently as she could, especially once they let go of her to attack the son instead, making as much noise as possible.
Not a fan of the dialogue so far. It seems a lot more bald-faced and direct and straightforward, with people saying exactly what they mean and how they feel, than in the first season. Cregan's blunt "Obviously we're bound by our oaths, but this and this and this" speech was a bit jarring, and it didn't seem to get better from there. First season was really, really good about coaching characters' meanings in more casual and interesting dialogue where you had to actually listen to understand what was going on, and all the subtle nuances being communicated without having to be stated outright.
Enjoyed Aegon a surprising amount. Was very surprised when he just took a deep breath and asked Helaena about his son's whereabouts again instead of flying off the handle about never having been given the option "not to be king" himself, and his son having no choice in the matter. Same with him low-key standing up to Ser Otto in the throne room, and Otto recognizing that he might actually have a point about making an effort with the peasantry. From the start it's been clear that Otto has some Tywin-like control issues when it comes to ruling, while not being nearly as good at it. Tywin would definitely have made sure to cultivate Aegon beforehand, and been completely unmerciful in turning him into a loyal and functioning king instead of a dysfunctional puppet.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 23, 2024 3:46:32 GMT
I probably agree with you halfway on the Alicent part, I think she is a pretty sympathetic character all things considered, however I really wasn't happy that Halena found Alicent and Cole after the blood and cheese scene. The scene with Halena running through the castle and not one guard to be found gave the impression that some were sent away, just so they could continue their affair. That's a pretty big mistake right when a war is breaking out. I also think it comes down to the fact that I just don't really like Cole's character. I do think the hidden romance was making Alicent a little more understanding towards Rhaenrya's past mistakes though, because sacrificing yourself for duty can well....suck. I don't mind the beginning of the assassin sequence either, like you said it's how the end played out, and yes allowing halena to just run from the room seemed odd, it took me out of the scene. I also understand that the show doesn't have (Maelor sp?) but I think they could've pulled a Sofie's choice with the daughter if they didn't have B&C tell her "a son for a son," off the bat. If it were up to me I probably would've left out their confusion over which was the boy or girl, have Halena choose her daughter to be executed, and then have B&C do the opposite and kill the son. I think the actors did their best with what they could work with, but idk, I think the direction could've been handled a lot better towards the end, and it didn't need to be gory if that's what they were concerned about. One thing is for certain, I would've preferred Alicent to have been in the room with Halena. I also agree about Aegon, I started off hating him in season 1, however he's grown to be one of the more enjoyable characters to watch on screen and the actor really sells it. If I was a lowly peasant, and let's face it I would be, I would've probably walked away from the throne room thinking he was a pretty cool king lmao. I really hope Aegon finds his own footing without some puppet master pulling his strings.
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I laughed my ass off at Larys basically going "Could I have a moment to manipulate you, my liege?" to Aegon in the hallway. That's the clearest example of the dialogue seeming rather inelegant compared to the first season, when you put it up against him sitting down among the ladies and listening to gossip in episode 3. And yeah, Aegon's character development is one of the things I'm pretty excited about. He's the one with the most room for exceptional character growth, which is both hindered and helped by having been introduced as such an absolute degenerate. The crowning was my favorite moment of the last two episodes of season 1. Unfortunately followed by my least favorite scene of the whole season, with Rhaenys magically getting to her dragon, armoring up and murdering a bunch of peasants just to make a face at Alicent. It was good to see Daemon take her to task over that. Hope someone forces her to explain what the hell was going through her head in that whole sequence, and why she thinks anyone should respect her for it. Security in the Red Keep absolutely needs an upgrade, yeah. That was a major contrivance. Alicent and Criston didn't even lock that door. Personally, my sympathies have been with her and against Rhaenyra from the beginning, and my issues with Cole are more the occasional weirdness where he randomly kills someone and gets away with it for no reason than the general arc of his character and motivation, which I find fairly understandable and sympathetic. I also love the stepdad relationship between him and Aemond. "Don't be so hard on your mother. She has her reasons, and we need to respect that." Would love to see some Daemon dragon-handling, soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 14:52:02 GMT
Well, Criston is legendary incompetent... and yet got promoted as Hand replacing the competent Otto. Idiotic move, Aegon, but then again we expected no less.
And Aemond has some... curious tastes (no I'm not judging him for preferring mature women, my point is that there are very beautiful ones in the world and yet that was not the company he chose). A beautiful maiden playing the therapist would make far more sense to me, but you do you.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jun 24, 2024 16:33:02 GMT
Well, Criston is legendary incompetent... and yet got promoted as Hand replacing the competent Otto. Idiotic move, Aegon, but then again we expected no less. And Aemond has some... curious tastes (no I'm not judging him for preferring mature women, my point is that there are very beautiful ones in the world and yet that was not the company he chose). A beautiful maiden playing the therapist would make far more sense to me, but you do you. I'd put that on Arryk, personally. The guy really was a security concern that couldn't be tolerated after the Crown Prince was assassinated, and sending him to kill Rhaenyra solves at least one out of two problems. Arryk was the one who made some really weird decisions in how he approached the whole thing. And honestly, Rhaenyra's reputation with the general nobility should be so deeply in the tanker already that Aegon hanging a few servants and trying to have her killed in revenge for his son should make no difference on that count. Whoever wrote this episode had some really nebulous and arbitrary ideas about what the other houses would think of recent events. And I think the Aemond scene was specifically supposed to communicate that he has mommy issues. Curling up in the lap of a very matronly figure, because his actual mom doesn't understand a thing about him, and can't justify her reasoning to him. Feels like a big theme this episode was Alicent's failures as a mother to her children, using them as chess pieces and expecting them to obey and exist like that because that was how Otto used her. As a result, she has no idea how to relate to any of them even when she wants to, and they're all spiraling in their own ways. And like her, they're brittle people who have to find comfort in strange or fucked-up ways because their family life has been too inauthentic and mired in schemes to emotionally rely on the people closest to them. In contrast, Rhaenyra's one actual, substantial virtue in my eyes is that she seems to be a pretty good mother, at least in the purely domestic 'raising a functional human being' sense. In the 'making decisions that won't likely result in your kids' ruination or death' sense? Not so much.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 24, 2024 23:54:03 GMT
There was a definite theme of family relationship failure in this episode, so yeah it doesn't surprise me that Aemond has mommy issues. Aegon walks right by Helaena without saying a word, Otto tells Alicent "I don't want to hear it" when she opens up and says "I've sinned" And the saddest of all imo, was when Alicent walked in on Aegon crying and didn't even attempt to comfort him, it's such a such a deep contrast to my own family that it's depressing to watch. Meanwhile, you have the twins sadly killing each other, Daemon not being completely honest with Rhaenyra before acting on important decisions etc. I also guessed that they would soften Rhaenyra up over B&C and they absolutely did. With Aegon, I'm not sure why he wouldn't just have Blood point out Cheese before executing him, maybe have Halaena confirm it for good measure, would've been pretty easy. Otto has his problems but I vastly prefer him over Cole, Otto also gets some points for giving me a good chuckle with his sass this episode, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 10:13:16 GMT
This show keeps delivering, HOTD is the BG3 of TV shows
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Post by melbella on Jul 1, 2024 23:13:12 GMT
I don't watch anything else so have nothing to compare it to, but I don't much care for any of the characters. They are all horrible people in some way, shape, or form. So, when they start fighting for real and sending their dragons to their deaths, I'll have a reason to actively hate them all.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jul 2, 2024 20:53:25 GMT
they cut Aegon's line when he fires Otto- "my new Hand is an iron fist, we are done with writing letters" ![:why:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/MVXW0DmcTsJZlBSSOwAc.png)
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they cut Aegon's line when he fires Otto- "my new Hand is an iron fist, we are done with writing letters" ![:why:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/lkDHhDnNWGOBwftCrIDX.png) Pffft, like Crispin even knows how to read and write even if he did need to send a letter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2024 9:28:56 GMT
The scene with Rhaenyra dressed as a hot septa felt like out of a parody or even a porno lmao. I love the show to death but that scene was ridiculous.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 4, 2024 20:53:19 GMT
The scene with Rhaenyra dressed as a hot septa felt like out of a parody or even a porno lmao. I love the show to death but that scene was ridiculous. Agreed, I felt like the scene made both Rhaenyra and Alicent look dumber. I think if the writers really wanted a scene like this to take place, then it should've at least happened before lucerys death or the B&C situation, because this far along thinking you can stop everything just seems silly to me. I'm not sure why show Rhaenyera thought meeting Alicent would do much at all, it's not like Aegon would go "ok I'll step down now, no problem mom". That said, even though I didn't like the scene, I think both of the actors were really good in their delivery of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2024 21:17:09 GMT
The scene with Rhaenyra dressed as a hot septa felt like out of a parody or even a porno lmao. I love the show to death but that scene was ridiculous. Agreed, I felt like the scene made both Rhaenyra and Alicent look dumber. I think if the writers really wanted a scene like this to take place, then it should've at least happened before lucerys death or the B&C situation, because this far along thinking you can stop everything just seems silly to me. I'm not sure why show Rhaenyera thought meeting Alicent would do much at all, it's not like Aegon would go "ok I'll step down now, no problem mom". That said, even though I didn't like the scene, I think both of the actors were really good in their delivery of it. Rhaenyra's son put out Alicent's son's eye, then Aemond fed Lucerys to Vaghar. Then Rhaenyra's husband sent assasins that beheaded Alicent's grandson in front of his mother. This scene taking place is UNTHINKABLE. Even if Rhaenyra is dumb enough to go to King's Landing after that (and you gotta be really, REALLY dumb to even consider that), Alicent would have her killed as soon as she saw her. Twice as unthinkable. Who wrote this?!?
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Post by q5tyhj on Jul 6, 2024 17:37:22 GMT
The scene with Rhaenyra dressed as a hot septa felt like out of a parody or even a porno lmao. I love the show to death but that scene was ridiculous. Agreed, I felt like the scene made both Rhaenyra and Alicent look dumber. I think if the writers really wanted a scene like this to take place, then it should've at least happened before lucerys death or the B&C situation, because this far along thinking you can stop everything just seems silly to me. I'm not sure why show Rhaenyera thought meeting Alicent would do much at all, it's not like Aegon would go "ok I'll step down now, no problem mom". That said, even though I didn't like the scene, I think both of the actors were really good in their delivery of it. felt like a filler scene to me, and I agree the placement after Jace/Aemond and Blood and Cheese is a bit odd- wouldn't both of their reaction to the presence of the other be to try to murder them with their bare hands?
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 6, 2024 19:31:26 GMT
Agreed, I felt like the scene made both Rhaenyra and Alicent look dumber. I think if the writers really wanted a scene like this to take place, then it should've at least happened before lucerys death or the B&C situation, because this far along thinking you can stop everything just seems silly to me. I'm not sure why show Rhaenyera thought meeting Alicent would do much at all, it's not like Aegon would go "ok I'll step down now, no problem mom". That said, even though I didn't like the scene, I think both of the actors were really good in their delivery of it. felt like a filler scene to me, and I agree the placement after Jace/Aemond and Blood and Cheese is a bit odd- wouldn't both of their reaction to the presence of the other be to try to murder them with their bare hands? That's what I think most reactions would be personally, especially with the emotional note they ended the first season on with Rhaenyra. Even if you wanted to ignore Rhaenyra's risk taking by sneaking in, or Alicent realizing Viserys was talking about Aegon the conqueror, one woman just had their son murdered with a dragon chomp and the other's grand baby brutally murdered by assassins. I can't picture most people letting that go, let alone in Westeros. Even if they both were willing to let bygones be bygones to find a way towards peace, Aegon certainly wouldn't and he's the one with the power now. Definitely not a good filler scene, I'm not sure what their angle was but it was silly imo. I love the show but every once in a while they throw in a scene that completely baffles me.
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Otto driving back to Hightower: ( BtS photos) ![](https://preview.redd.it/2pl8tcdea3bd1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2d505c38b1e99dd8c8038d03327b8029f63ae2ac) I present to you, YOUR KING! ![](https://preview.redd.it/os5e8g3ea3bd1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c051b58af620e919d9664c6c5c1460c8f56a74e4)
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 8, 2024 2:33:35 GMT
So it was Aegon that got 2V1 in this, guess he shouldn't have bullied Aemond so much...The dragon fight itself looked great even with the bright lighting, but watching the giant Kaiju dragons murder each other and hearing their cries was painful, they didn't deserve this. Seeing Sunfyre boop Aegon earlier, and Meleys giving Rhaenys a goodbye look before she goes out was brutal. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/yWehKVtlVAi0LtdsyaCq.png)
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Post by q5tyhj on Jul 8, 2024 3:04:24 GMT
That might have been the most entertaining episode so far this season. Good shit. Can't wait for next week
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If only Aemond had succeeded in taking out his dear brother... he's so much worthier of the throne than that fucking drunkard rapist degenerate bully. At least he got crisped.
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Post by melbella on Jul 9, 2024 0:38:44 GMT
If only Aemond had succeeded in taking out his dear brother... he's so much worthier of the throne than that fucking drunkard rapist degenerate bully. At least he got crisped.
I'm not sure a sociopath is a much better option lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 1:06:17 GMT
If only Aemond had succeeded in taking out his dear brother... he's so much worthier of the throne than that fucking drunkard rapist degenerate bully. At least he got crisped.
I'm not sure a sociopath is a much better option lol
Better than what Aegon is to be sure. He may be blood thirsty but he is hard-working, driven, cultivated, doesn't rape maids nor gets off at watching children (including his own) tear each other apart, unlike his brother.
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