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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Jul 9, 2024 9:28:38 GMT
The Dance truly begins, this actually did the impossible and turned me around on that awful Coronation scene from the first Season, that being why Rhaenys turns back
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 20:04:05 GMT
You know, I was wondering why the show bothered to bring in the whole "Lord Velaryon has a bastard and he saved his life" arc. Rhaenys telling Alyn Velaryon his mother must've been beautiful and whatnot. I didn't understand the purpose behind it.
But with her dead that changes things significantly. He knows Jacaerys doesn't have a drop of Velaryon blood in him. Now he has a bastard he can claim, a bastard who saved his bloody life no less. And who Rhaenys, before her death, literally told him should be raised up and honoured, not hidden beneath the tides.
Makes me think Corlys is going to cause some trouble and publicly change heirs. Maybe even switch sides to Green to make it happen.
What's interesting to me, is the potential new heir, Alyn, seems extraordinarily uncomfortable and reluctant. I wonder if that'll play into things as well.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 10, 2024 21:12:52 GMT
The most recent episode was comfortably the best of the season so far. The Dance truly begins. There seems to be some uncertainty over whether or not Aegon is still alive - Sunfyre clearly is, technically, though not in good shape and probably not for much longer. If the shitface king does live, I'll be disappointed in the show (and maybe book - haven't read it). Because no-one should be able to survive that.
Fair play to Rhaenys - she wasn't expecting Aegon to show up, but reminded him what an experienced Dragon Rider atop an experienced dragon can do.
And then the show provided us with a reminder that all the experience in the world won't make much difference if another nuke is bigger than yours. It's ridiculous, but the shrieking in pain of the dragon and the look Meyleyse (sp?) gave Rhaenys right at the end was heartbreaking. None of that was real, but it still stung. Even though she'd just done that exact same thing to a dragon younger and smaller than herself. She got a few good digs in, and you can't fault her for rolling the dice. She and her dragon had been together a lot longer than Aemond/Vhagar and if she'd pulled it off? With Aegon's son murdered, all of a sudden, only his daughter sits on the line of succession for the Greens - lol girls - and a lot of lords might have switched sides at that point.
Not to be, though, and Cole's plan came to fruition anyway, as one of the final scenes showed the army storming the castle walls that had been destroyed by Rhaenys and her dragon falling on them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 21:38:12 GMT
There seems to be some uncertainty over whether or not Aegon is still alive Drunks More Likely to Survive Injuries, Study Suggests *** But really, I am unclear on this too. At first I thought he was dead, which was why Aemond was sheathing his clean sword.
Then I saw someone assuming he was alive, rewatched that bit, realized I couldn't tell a bloody thing from the scene, and started to wonder if Aemond sheathing his sword meant something else. That he had, in de facto, allowed his brother to live instead of putting a blade through him before Criston showed up. Or that maybe Criston showed up early forcing him to? I dunno.
The art-direction/direction for that last scene was done poorly. Either they wanted us to know whether he is dead or alive and just executed it poorly, or they wanted it left as a cliffhanger which just results in confusion on something that's unnecessarily a cliffhanger. It's a loss/loss proposal.
That said, I absolutely agree it's the best episode of this season.
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Aemond was fun to watch but he had a lot of typical villain plot armour backing him up to get him there this ep.
First, he manipulated his brother perfectly. Now, they're brothers so it makes sense to a degree, but to that level? Really? This is the first stretch but not snap.
Second, he knows precisely how long to wait, and magically his brother shows up exactly on time. Who knew dragonflight ETAs were so precise?...
Third, he basically utilizes the only thing that could provide cover for his dragon, being the sea cliffs and castle. While Rhaenys flies directly over the only suitable cover in the entire area for a flying dragon fight. Forest ambushes notwithstanding, once they're aloft that forest is a million blades, not cover. So in this case, Rhaenys and Meleys(Proper spelling FYI <<<) who are the more experienced by decades fly the only way possible to get ambushed at the only spot around them capable of hiding a dragon of that size in flight.
Finally, as you mention, he gets a double whammy. Either it was luck or it was inspired tactics, but Meleys' corpse breaching the walls was quite a bit of salt in the wound.
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![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) Figures. But really, I am unclear on this too. At first I thought he was dead, which was why Aemond was sheathing his clean sword.
Then I saw someone assuming he was alive, rewatched that bit, realized I couldn't tell a bloody thing from the scene, and started to wonder if Aemond sheathing his sword meant something else. That he had, in de facto, allowed his brother to live instead of putting a blade through him before Criston showed up. Or that maybe Criston showed up early forcing him to? I dunno.
The art-direction/direction for that last scene was door poorly. Either they wanted us to know whether he is dead or alive and just executed it poorly, or they wanted it left as a cliffhanger which just results in confusion on something that's unnecessarily a cliffhanger. It's a loss/loss proposal.
That said, I absolutely agree it's the best episode of this season.
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Aemond was fun to watch but he had a lot of typical villain plot armour backing him up to get him there this ep.
First, he manipulated his brother perfectly. Now, they're brothers so it makes sense to a degree, but to that level? Really? This is the first stretch but not snap.
Second, he knows precisely how long to wait, and magically his brother shows up exactly on time. Who knew dragonflight ETAs were so precise?...
Third, he basically utilizes the only thing that could provide cover for his dragon, being the sea cliffs and castle. While Rhaenys flies directly over the only suitable cover in the entire area for a flying dragon fight. Forest ambushes notwithstanding, once they're aloft that forest is a million blades, not cover. So in this case, Rhaenys and Meleys(Proper spelling FYI <<<) who are the more experienced by decades fly the only way possible to get ambushed at the only spot around them capable of hiding a dragon of that size in flight.
Finally, as you mention, he gets a double whammy. Either it was luck or it was inspired tactics, but Meleys' corpse breaching the walls was quite a bit of salt in the wound.
Ok - so I looked it up, as I wasn't too concerned about this particular one as a spoiler, but have spoilered it for those that do. After the fall, Aegon Is alive in the book. Apparently in a coma/unresponsive type state, but technically his reign continues. Aemond is giving big Littlefinger with a dragon vibes, at the moment. Every play he makes is coming up aces. I suspect he will meet a similar end, though.
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I suspect he will meet a similar end, though. In terms of the long run, the winner has to be someone who knows and carries on the ASoIF prophecy, right? At least that's what I've been going with in my "who wins at the very end" predictions. Right now that whittles it down to just Rhaenyra and Jace. Speaking of, he looked like he hit his emo/goth phase this ep. And was acting like a bit of a lil shit too. (Albeit understandably at this point.)
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Post by melbella on Jul 11, 2024 0:45:33 GMT
Right now that whittles it down to just Rhaenyra and Jace. Speaking of, he looked like he hit his emo/goth phase this ep. And was acting like a bit of a lil shit too. (Albeit understandably at this point.) Is he supposed to look like a Rob Stark ancestor? I was under the impression Aegon was dead but the end scene where Aemond sheathes his sword just as Playboy walks up made me think he was going to put him out of his misery but had to nix it due to a witness.
I'm gonna have to re-watch this episode as I missed a lot of the first half due to watching news about local fires instead.
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Is he supposed to look like a Rob Stark ancestor? IIRC, he did seem comfortable up there negotiating, maybe?
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Are you saying that you think Aemond manipulated Aegon to go off on his own? I just sort of took the situation as incredible dumb luck, but that it wasn't in Aemond's original plans to piss Aegon off to such an extent. Especially when Aemond whispered "idiot" and decided to wait after Crispy Cream gave the signal. "Oh the troglodyte is here and entering the dragon fight on his own? I'll wait for his ass to get handed to him and then finish him off". I guess I didn't see Aemond riling his brother up at the council as anything more than simple revenge for the brothel incident. I might be misunderstanding though, I'm tired. Aemond is looking like a very handsome anime villain though.
It was pretty dumb imo, how such a large dragon like Vhagar could be so stealthy and got the drop on Rhaeneys, and it was done by her being hit with an idiot stick. As much as I enjoyed the episode and the fight, if I'm being nit-picky I kind of wish they did that scene a little differently... Sneak 100
As for the sword-sheathing scene, I kind of took it the way Mebella did, Aemond heard someone walking up, so it wasn't a good time to finish Aegon off in front of a witness.
Also, while I can see Corlys switching things up with heirs, (and I don't even think show Rhaenyra would care). I don't see him going over to the greens, not at the moment, not after Rhaenys's death, I think he genuinely loves his grandchildren too much for that, even though deep down he had to know they were not his blood. His relationship with Lucerys last season seemed really sweet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2024 3:10:09 GMT
Are you saying that you think Aemond manipulated Aegon to go off on his own? Very much so, yes. That whole theatre performance in the council chamber with the map and highlighting Aemond's strategic prowess, as well as being more adept at High Valyrian. Felt like a slap in the face to get him riled up to go. For Corlys, I'm more just generally predicting trouble because of the aforementioned, rather than specifically thinking he'll go over to the greens. But, I wouldn't put it off the table. Could be interesting if he swaps to Daemon too. They worked together before, so I dunno.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 5:42:48 GMT
Bit of a filler ep after the events of the last one. Alyn becoming a dragonrider ups the ante if Corlys acknowledges him as his rightful heir after he's won a battle. They laid on Corlys' reticence nice and thick this episode while his granddaughter did some awfully nice speechifying. Which pretty much is making me double down on my prediction that whole thing is a shitstorm brewing.
Uh Daemon's creepy nurse. I'm not sure if this was intentional, or just poorly framed. But she flat out disappears behind Ser Simon in one scene as she exeunts and he starts his lines. She walks away weirdly, directly towards the wall, then she's completely shielded by Simon. But you should (theoretically) see her walk past his left side down some steps.
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I didn't care for this episode, especially after last week. It's not that I think it has to be action all the time, one of my favorite scenes is dying Viserys walking towards the throne, and I love character building. However, I wasn't even finding the conversations intriguing except for Baela and Jace (both carried the episode for me), it just felt like the same conversations with different people. That's fine sometimes, but this is only an 8 episode season and we don't have a lot. My main complaint is Daemon, I was fine with him doing his haunted side quest tripping balls, and even found it interesting in the beginning, but now I'm over it. I know at this point in the book he's not doing much so I get they have to wing it but I still think it could be better. Also why a weird dream about banging his mother that he never had, why introduce Alyssa that way? At first, I thought it was Aemma which would've honestly made more sense to me. I don't care where you take him, more or less evil, more grey etc. but don't massacre him and make him boring until a certain part The positive is at least we won't get to see Alicent and Ser Coleslaw go at it anymore. Anyway, they should give Baela and Jace more to do, they're pretty good with their acting when the script gives them something to chew on other than having them stand in the background.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 15, 2024 18:26:01 GMT
My main complaint is Daemon Fully agree with your spoilered part. I thought they'd had to use another actress or something, because his banging his brother's wife made sense. Then it turns out to be an Oedipus-thing? Just, weird. The Harrenhal-spooky plot's been going on long enough that it's starting to get stale. *** This is the scene I was referencing above. Apparently I'm not the only one to notice it. The vid isn't playing for me for some reason but I think I know what you're referencing. I had to rewind when I was watching to make sure I wasn't seeing things, but yeah she just disappears behind Simon Strong and you never see her walk down the stairs. I think they did it on purpose, but now they have me wondering if anyone other than Daemon at all has been shown to see or interact with her at all.
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Fully agree with your spoilered part. I thought they'd had to use another actress or something, because his banging his brother's wife made sense. Then it turns out to be an Oedipus-thing? Just, weird. The Harrenhal-spooky plot's been going on long enough that it's starting to get stale. *** This is the scene I was referencing above. Apparently I'm not the only one to notice it. The vid isn't playing for me for some reason but I think I know what you're referencing. I had to rewind when I was watching to make sure I wasn't seeing things, but yeah she just disappears behind Simon Strong and you never see her walk down the stairs. I think they did it on purpose, but now they have me wondering if anyone other than Daemon at all has been shown to see or interact with her at all. Yup, that's the scene. And what's a bit odd is that people have looked at her, a couple times. Ser Simon even gives her an odd look as she passes by him in that very scene. That made me wonder if it was just weird framing in the shot and she ducked down or something. But, I dunno.
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Managed to watch a bit earlier than I normally do. Jacerys The boy has stones. I was not expecting that. Although - that probably has something to do with the preening he's been doing this season. The deal with the Frey's is a good one, on face, but we likely all remember the last deal we saw between a boyishly good looking dark haired member of a royal family and the Freys. Hope he sticks to his word.
But his best moment was in talking to Rhaenrya. Yes! Two dragons, below Dragonstone. Waiting. Not as big as Vhagar, sure. But nearly. They just need riders. If only you were to find yourself in the centre of a compendium of the history of the blood of Old Valyria in Westeros...wait... The Sea Snake Agree that his moping - and Baela's very good speech - is likely pointing to his bastards legitimisation and bonding with a dragon. Daemon ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdDNudTRkdjdwYjVhY3UyeWphazljdWlwYms5N2N2OWJ3czVvbW9jdCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/7NWtgvnS70EEyysvLt/giphy.gif) Um...there's a lot to unpack there, but honestly, I think the most surprising thing wasn't actually shown...that he didn't burn the Blackwoods to a crisp for walking away. Restraint. From Daemon. His line to the Harrenhall lord was funny, because...he's got a point. "Your Grace". "You should call me King" "King....Consort" "That last bit seems redundant. What do you call the Queens husband?" The Lord was of course thinking of the line of succession, and who it passes through, but...the line is Daemon's children with Rhaenyra and back through Viserys who was Daemon's brother. *insert he's out of line, but he's got a point gif here* The Handmaiden who snuck into Kings Landing The woman who opened the door...was that the one Aegon Shit King raped in season one? The maid at the Red Keep? Assorted God I hate Cole. "Sunfyre is guarding Rooks Rest." Sure he is, buddy. Sure he is.
Aemond and Cole absolutely worked this out by themselves, but Aemond is several orders more intelligent than Cole so knew what the gaslighting in the small council would do to his brother. In the interests of fairness...at least he had the fucking ratcatchers cut down.
Rhaenrya and Alicent are both receiving instruction - probably unwelcome - in women attempting to rule when ruling has been the domain of men. Alicent being sidelined by everyone and Rhaenyra being patronised and cajoled by most in her circle. One or both of them is going to snap soon, I hope. But only one of them has a dragon.
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The Sea Snake Agree that his moping - and Baela's very good speech - is likely pointing to his bastards legitimisation and bonding with a dragon. The Handmaiden who snuck into Kings Landing The woman who opened the door...was that the one Aegon Shit King raped in season one? The maid at the Red Keep? It's tied to the conversation Rhaenyra has with Mysaria (Daemon's former lover and nominal "speaker for the small people") just before that scene about how there are different ways to win a war and the people of King's Landings aren't very content... ![](https://y.yarn.co/0ecfa0f4-9f41-4674-9533-2a53a831b160_text.gif) ![](https://y.yarn.co/92e14f0e-5a85-4cfe-b7e9-36314cbcd428_text.gif) /thread
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As a reader of the book, as someone who loved the book, I'm horrified by how terrible this show is. There are so many things that are wrong. I'd say it was decent during season 1 until episode 8. The beginning of the end for me started with episode 9, and what they have made of the green council. It was supposed to be a great moment, and they so much wasted the potential where Cole decides who is king, where the green council with Alicent as the leader of the move purposely decided to steal the throne with a good and rational reasoning. For the showrunner the goal of this green council was only to show that Alicent was not responsible, surrounded by warmonger men however, unlike what you had in the books, it resolved around that. Cole killing by error that poor guy was such a ridiculous idea, it totally made loose the signifiance of what his gesture meant, as the kingmaker. They didn't even give his words after killing the man. I waited so much that moment, it made me so mad when I saw the result. Episode 10 wasn't much better with the dragons. Strange idea from the show. Rhaenys, escaping and not killing the whole green family and especially Aegon was being crowned instead of Rhaenyra, was also so dumb. And Aemond, geez, OOPS I didn't want to kill Lucarys, I was just trying to do whatever was in my mind while I was purchasing him in the sky and my dragon was attacking his. To be honest since the beginning I had a bad feeling about this show when I investigated about the showrunner, her profile, exactly the same feeling, the same fear as with the witcher series before I started. And yet I always try to give a chance. I tried to keep an open mind. The big problem I have with these people doing the show most of all, it's that they are always convinced they can do better, can write better than the author, without mentioning their usual obsessions. They changed so many things and details from the storyline and not a single time, it was made better, always worse than what GRR Martin wrote. Making things difficults for themself since by not following the book, they were forced to take into account new consequences to imagine and not present in GRR'sMartin content as well, and it is always bad. For example cole killing like a mad man that poor knight during the party. The poor idea of the showrunner, not in the book. What was the consequences ? Oh zero. Didn't get any punishment from the king, more than that, Cole got a better position years after. WTF. This is that sort of personal changments that are problematic. They don't even know what to do with them. Just follow the damn book. You don't write better than GRR Martin. I will just focus on Rhaenyra and Alicent as characters. The first one is supposed to be all about fire, and the second one is a cold heart. They were both very interesting and compelling characters in the books and they were both responsible of the war, yes. You could love them, you could hate them, but you couldn't be indifferent, or mock them or find them bland. They were great and important characters before and during the war no matter what. But the showrunner changed everything, the only thing that mattered to her was to be sure that the public wouldn't think the two women were responsible. Her obsession is obvious from the beginning, it's to show that the war and its horrors that started and kept going, are because of men, and the two female protagonists are absolutely not responsible of the whole crap, they tried beyond reason to avoid all of this at least. They were the only reasonable people in this world of madness. Okay why not. The issue, is that this obsession from the showrunner turned Rhaenyra into a very bland and boring character that has little to do with Rhaenyra the dangerous, ruthless and threatening woman of FIRE, that keeps only crying and complain, and do nothing in the show, they totally assassinated her character. She is supposed to be the only reasonable voice according to the showrunner surrounded by fool men who think onky about blood. Okay; Alicent in the show is absolutely useless, a lost and petty woman without any substance that keeps fucking with Cole, while in the book she seemed to be a very focused, rational and dangerous woman. Not once did we have any line in the book about any degenerate behavior from her unlike Rhaenyra. That was precisely this point that made her to be liked by a lot of folks and the common people in comparison to Rhaenyra. she seemed to be a pure woman. The worst and dumbest scene was problably Rhaenyra going to see Alicent to save peace, disguised in a priest, forgetting all the blood and members of families killed as well. Oh my god, it was too much. But even without all of this, there are some issues with the rythm, the dialogues but I'll stop there. I stopped watching, I will just be happy with the version of the book.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 22, 2024 3:55:36 GMT
As a reader of the book, as someone who loved the book, I'm horrified by how terrible this show is. *snip* I do feel your pain, many shows have been like that for me and this is starting to get there. I will say that I rather enjoyed the first season although I did have issues with the exact scenes you mentioned, especially with Rhaenys making her escape on Meleys to roar at Alicent and stomp out peasants. Although I didn't mind some changes or their reasoning, even thought that some worked really well etc. However season 2 has been disappointing for me, aside from an episode or two. I do agree that they made Rhaenrya faar too pacifist now, especially when she had the perfect reason to become more ruthless after the death of her son....Honestly, after the look she gave the camera from last season's episode, that's what I thought what we were going to get, instead at the start of season 2 her character almost seemed reset? Alicent feels that way as well, she went from being paranoid and hellbent to getting Aegon on the throne for her children's safety, to suddenly being more about peace, banging Cole, and hurling shade. Rhaenrya is only now starting to show cracks of becoming more ruthless, but it was at the cost of show pacing/writing. All for a ridiculous scene of a sept Rhaenrya and a Alicent who didn't want to murder each other even after all the bloodshed, while Daemon spent the whole season on an LSD trip. The direction of the B&C scene was another a big disappointment for me after the sept scene, even though it wasn't nearly as bad. They also seemed to cut out what could've been interesting story lines/characters. I haven't quite got to the point where I've given up yet and I'm giving until the end of this season and maybe the first 2 episodes of season three for them to start improving, or I'm done. I actually don't know what to make of it, this was another episode that felt wasted again, aside from a couple of scenes.
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Post by Syv on Jul 22, 2024 12:54:41 GMT
As a reader of the book, as someone who loved the book, I'm horrified by how terrible this show is. *snip* I do feel your pain, many shows have been like that for me and this is starting to get there. I will say that I rather enjoyed the first season although I did have issues with the exact scenes you mentioned, especially with Rhaenys making her escape on Meleys to roar at Alicent and stomp out peasants. Although I didn't mind some changes or their reasoning, even thought that some worked really well etc. However season 2 has been disappointing for me, aside from an episode or two. I do agree that they made Rhaenrya faar too pacifist now, especially when she had the perfect reason to become more ruthless after the death of her son....Honestly, after the look she gave the camera from last season's episode, that's what I thought what we were going to get, instead at the start of season 2 her character almost seemed reset? Alicent feels that way as well, she went from being paranoid and hellbent to getting Aegon on the throne for her children's safety, to suddenly being more about peace, banging Cole, and hurling shade. Rhaenrya is only now starting to show cracks of becoming more ruthless, but it was at the cost of show pacing/writing. All for a ridiculous scene of a sept Rhaenrya and a Alicent who didn't want to murder each other even after all the bloodshed, while Daemon spent the whole season on an LSD trip. The direction of the B&C scene was another a big disappointment for me after the sept scene, even though it wasn't nearly as bad. They also seemed to cut out what could've been interesting story lines/characters. I haven't quite got to the point where I've given up yet and I'm giving until the end of this season and maybe the first 2 episodes of season three for them to start improving, or I'm done. I actually don't know what to make of it, this was another episode that felt wasted again, aside from a couple of scenes. Absolutely, I agree with every point you made. Especially Daemon going on an LSD trip indeed ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) (WTF, why would they do that) and the fact that everyone expected Rhaenyra to show who she really was after the look she gave the camera in end of season one. I know a few folks who have been her supporters and who were disappointed by her not being ruthless, and like you said, she was allowed to after everything she went through. Most people wouldn't have been angry against her. And that's what is the most annoying, the two showrunners, wanted to be certain that Rhaenyra would be painted as the good reasonable girl, but they made her look weak. They needed another whole season showing that Rhaenyra is not bad because they think their audience is dumb, and after perhaps we'll start seeing something in season 3 or even at the end of season 2 maybe. To be honest I quite enjoyed the first season too, in spite of some really annoying mistakes or changes. There was still a lot of potential. My hope was that with the season 2, they could only improve, but it seems actually worse than the first one. The two last episodes felt indeed wasted, and we have only 8 episodes instead of 10 for the season 2 apparently. What's going on and what does that tells us about the direction of the show ? Do they even know what they are going to do after, where they want to go ? I'm not even certain of that. I mean you would think they decided to give less episodes than in season one, so we could have a show way more intense and focused, but it's not even that. Feels like season 8 from GOT, when they decided they would only give 6 episodes, a lot of people assumed that it was because they were going to give a very intense season, very focused. Nope, it was just rushed, with teleportation battles and all. Even a few people I know who didn't read the books feel like the show is somewhat directionless now. You are brave to finish the season. I can't anymore infortunately. Maybe I'll try just out of curiosity the first episode of season 3.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 22, 2024 20:00:06 GMT
Not much to ponder over this episode. I am sick of Daemon wandering around a castle doing nothing except have visions of his past.
Rhaenyra has a new trusted friend? Or a new manipulator?
Seeing his other bastard son riding his 'dead' legitimate son's old dragon is likely going to be a trip for old Corlys Velaryon. He's kind of lucky he won't have to look Rhaenys in the eye when this comes to light.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 21:12:35 GMT
Not much to ponder over this episode. This one felt like a lot of filler, with only a little setup. I am sick of Daemon wandering around a castle doing nothing except have visions of his past. Dude. ![](https://tuesdayswithlaurie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/cooling-your-heels-by-len-buchanan.jpg) Also Daemon's just acting a bit stupid. He's blaming his steward/castellan who's the epitome of "running with it" while the evil sorceress is handing him cups full of random medicinals and knowing things she really ought not to know. Plot contrivance there. And poor Caraxes probably wondering why his rider is trippin' balls. *** Rhaenyra has a new trusted friend? Or a new manipulator? Unsure. Thing is, both of them are Daemon's (ex)lovers. So there's a weird sexual connection there. The other end to that is that Mysaria seems like one of the least shitty people in the show. She's concerned for the smallfolk, and herself, but she doesn't seem to have delusions of Littlefingerhood. While I absolutely see her capable of that kind of manipulation I'm not sure that's what went down. Very well could be though, I just dunno what her long game is. *** Seeing his other bastard son riding his 'dead' legitimate son's old dragon is likely going to be a trip for old Corlys Velaryon. He's kind of lucky he won't have to look Rhaenys in the eye when this comes to light. Seasmoke was great. "This is my human. There are many like it, but this one is mine." *** Felt bad for the first attempt guy. The nanosecond he was onscreen the bell in my head that signifies death started ringing like a gong. "He won't make it through the episode." Then he kept digging his grave further and further until I had to revise my original assessment to, "he won't make it through the first third of the episode." *** I found it vaguely amusing that the Blacks blockade Kings Landing starving them, then later send in little boats full of food with their flags on em to alleviate the shortage they created. If we didn't have American politics I'd argue that that was a stupid obvious ploy that'd never hoodwink the general populous, but... well. Clearly it's working. ![:banghead:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/thVpR0PuuvogT0QLwVUG.gif) *** Alicent. She's arguably as bad as Daemon this season. She's swinging down the social ladder and that's about it. Seems like they're pushing her down so she'll have some surprise at the end of the season. Hope it was worth it? *** Otto Hightower left em all on read. ![:hue:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/ZDCxlLVfxVqwoLq0PQbI.png) Wonder what it'll be like if/when daddy comes home.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 22, 2024 21:19:21 GMT
Otto Hightower left em all on read. ![:hue:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/ZDCxlLVfxVqwoLq0PQbI.png) When your troll level is Mastery.
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