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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 22, 2024 22:49:28 GMT
I believe Daemon's adventure should've been two episodes tops. I love show Viserys character but felt nothing from his vision with Daemon and why? not only has it been dragged out past its welcome, but they were also repeating the same conversation from season one, nothing new. This has been my main complaint with the season, they don't know how to fill in the blanks so they continually have repeated conversations with different people over and over. GOT would sometimes leave out main characters for an episode or two to focus on other characters, and that's what the writers should've done in my opinion. Leave Matt, Emma, and Olivia out on occasion to focus on Jace, Baela, Haleana, etc. (who are pretty good actors) making them more than just paper-thin background dressing. They're cutting out some good story they could've given them, because they seem laser-focused on making Rhaenrya, Daemon, and Alicent the only main stars, instead of spreading it around more.
I would've loved a scene with Aemond telling his family about what happened with luc at the beginning of season two, or show Halaena's loss of her child, and Aemond regretful his actions led to it. Feels like everyone just forgot about the kid.
As for Mysaria, she's manipulating Rhaenrya's attraction to her imo. She's about self-preservation, they barely know each other, she was on the other side not long ago.....and if they stick to more of the book major beats later (although that's up in the air) well, "if you think this has a happy ending then you weren't paying attention".
EDIT: fixed embarrassing typo
This is kind of how I felt with The Witcher show, mostly enjoyed the first season, but then season 2 hit and it started veering off for me. I hope it course corrects.
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Post by melbella on Jul 23, 2024 0:09:43 GMT
Sea Smoke for best supporting actor. ![:wub:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/jwVfGOorAkFXVXIgTqXt.png)
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 23, 2024 0:44:30 GMT
Sea Smoke for best supporting actor. ![:wub:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/jwVfGOorAkFXVXIgTqXt.png)
Felt a bit sorry for the Darklyn guy. Yes, he knew the risks, and rolled the dice anyway, but still.
Sea Smoke was just "pfft - you ain't my real Dad".
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 23, 2024 0:45:50 GMT
One minor thing I forgot, and really liked The tiny baby dragon playing with Rhaenyra's two little kids at the Eyrie was utterly adorable.
Like a puppy mixed with a bat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2024 1:23:22 GMT
You what I think the show lacks? Bronns and Tyrions and Varys'. Bronn is a treasure and any time he joined an arc he added to the entertainment value exponentially. Him and Tyrion are my favorite "couple" from the books and the show. Him and Jaime too, but him and Tyrion had me in stitches numerous times, they worked so well together. The show is missing that sly (and sometimes not so sly) wit that the aforementioned characters all brought to the table in some fashion. GoT for all its drama and red weddings was quite funny at times. HotD, now I think on it, really lacks that quality. We need more of ↓these↓ types of scenes and background characterizations. Pretty cool that a dragon was able to sniff out a half-Valyrian from that distance. ![](https://y.yarn.co/a1e2f0de-f1c9-4008-88c2-5d31808ca727_text.gif) But honestly, I "magicked" that one away without spite. The bond clearly has some inexplicable properties. Daenerys surviving the fire, the hair, the bond itself, etc.
Maybe Seasmoke realized that humans are quite short lived and that if he didn't go out and look for the right one the right one might not live long enough to find him. Or maybe Seasmoke just didn't want to keep torching canned-humans because he can't eat them.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 23, 2024 1:29:56 GMT
You what I think the show lacks? Bronns and Tyrions and Varys'. Bronn is a treasure and any time he joined an arc he added to the entertainment value exponentially. Him and Tyrion are my favorite "couple" from the books and the show. Him and Jaime too, but him and Tyrion had me in stitches numerous times, they worked so well together. The show is missing that sly (and sometimes not so sly) wit that the aforementioned characters all brought to the table in some fashion. GoT for all its drama and red weddings was quite funny at times. HotD, now I think on it, really lacks that quality. We need more of ↓these↓ types of scenes and background characterizations. Agreed. Possibly an effect of the nature of the source material? ASoIaF is a POV series where the reader gets into the head of the character having the screen time. DoD was - I believe, I haven't read it - a sort of 'in universe' history, written by a Maester who researched the events in question. Not that that would (or should) stop them from adding their own voice (which could include humour) to it. Something like - yes, the Maester said this in his book, but that would have made random powerful House angry. This is what really happened. Sea Smoke found his forever human. So sweet.
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Post by melbella on Jul 23, 2024 2:12:58 GMT
The show is missing that sly (and sometimes not so sly) wit Aemond telling Larys he wanted a real Hand and not a sycophant was pretty funny. Finally, someone not taken in by his wannabe smooth-talkiness. And then of course the latter slinks away to become indispensible to the crippled-but-not-dead-yet king.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jul 23, 2024 21:31:49 GMT
Not much to ponder over this episode. I am sick of Daemon wandering around a castle doing nothing except have visions of his past.
Rhaenyra has a new trusted friend? Or a new manipulator?
Seeing his other bastard son riding his 'dead' legitimate son's old dragon is likely going to be a trip for old Corlys Velaryon. He's kind of lucky he won't have to look Rhaenys in the eye when this comes to light.
Well, outside of a certain kiss scene at any rate. Still trying to unwrap that one.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jul 23, 2024 21:33:30 GMT
I didn't care for this episode, especially after last week. It's not that I think it has to be action all the time, one of my favorite scenes is dying Viserys walking towards the throne, and I love character building. However, I wasn't even finding the conversations intriguing except for Baela and Jace (both carried the episode for me), it just felt like the same conversations with different people. That's fine sometimes, but this is only an 8 episode season and we don't have a lot. My main complaint is Daemon, I was fine with him doing his haunted side quest tripping balls, and even found it interesting in the beginning, but now I'm over it. I know at this point in the book he's not doing much so I get they have to wing it but I still think it could be better. Also why a weird dream about banging his mother that he never had, why introduce Alyssa that way? At first, I thought it was Aemma which would've honestly made more sense to me. I don't care where you take him, more or less evil, more grey etc. but don't massacre him and make him boring until a certain part The positive is at least we won't get to see Alicent and Ser Coleslaw go at it anymore. Anyway, they should give Baela and Jace more to do, they're pretty good with their acting when the script gives them something to chew on other than having them stand in the background. they pretty clearly have no idea what to do with Daemon.. why not have him warring in the Riverlands? Could have him swagger about, cook some mofos with his dragon, keep him in people's minds even as the more weighty plot developments happen in the other storylines
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 24, 2024 11:10:45 GMT
I'm happy. The dialogue subtext from season 1 is back, and the character work has been feeling mostly natural and engaging. Apparently the director of episode 9 from the first season was responsible for a couple of the early season episodes, so that might have been why it felt all wrong. Have been watching a bit of season 1 this week, and Daemon's "Baaah! Harrenhall's curse is just a ghost story." retort when Rhaenyra angsts about Harwin's death got a chuckle out of me this time.
I think they've been shooting for a subtler, longer-term character arc with him than expected. Remember the choice they made to show him leaving his daughters to grieve for their mother alone, even though there are set pictures of him embracing them in that scene instead? It seems like they wanted to commit to the idea that his inability to set aside his own masculine pride and just BE THERE for his loved ones when they're in pain is what he's being forced to reckon with, because it was the root of the rift with his brother.
The "repeated" throne room/banishment scene from the pilot with Viserys, only with Viserys' tone being despairing and pleading and anguished instead of indignant and vengeful, and Daemon banging the doors to get out of the uncomfortable situation instead of standing his ground pretending to be tough, felt pretty accurate to what both men would actually have been going through internally in that scene. That really drove it home that it's not just his insecurities he's been diving into, it's also the real shit he's been ignoring under the surface of all his relationships since he started using his strength and wildness as a shield. Which hopefully means he'll be more ready to connect with his family emotionally from now on, and make it easier for them to trust him and his judgement. Enabling more badassery. Pretty powerful stuff for a character like that. But yeah, I hope we're ready to move on next episode.
His daughters and Jace were great this episode, too. Cutting Nettles out makes sense to me. Even with me normally resenting that kind of pearl-clutching, it'd be hard to make that relationship with this Daemon work in any tasteful way on-screen, no matter which version of it they went with. If that connection could be replaced with him reconnecting with his dragonless daughter in the coming episodes, with his new, marginally more sensitive outlook, then it seems like that'd only be another improvement over the source material.
Seasmoke sniffing Adam out was a surprise, but I find it pretty credible. He's clearly Laenor's brother, and has a lot of the same dynamic and restless energy as Laenor did. And they have the same favorite fishing spot. If i was a dragon and I didn't care about hair color, I might have gone "Waaaah, you've returned for me, daddeeeeee! They tried to bond me to some walking tin can today! You have to be my daddy again!" too.
And I am SO ready for Corlys to take charge of Rhaenyra's war council and some more determined warrior figures to join them. It's been so frustrating to watch her meander and complain and refuse to listen to reason, while scheming with the totally untrustworthy former traitor to her father's rule and punishing initiative from the people who love her and want them all to live. The line "The queen makes a wish. Which dutiful member of the realm would not strive to fulfill it?" from Larys to Alicent last season also resonated a lot with her erratic leadership and punishment of Daemon recently, for essentially following the only clear command she's been arsed to give since this war (that started because of HER entitlement and irresponsible harlotry and lack of political engagement) began.
Along with Rhaenyra, Mysaria is turning into the weak link each episode. I'm getting nothing from her performance, and by my reckoning she should maybe, MAYBE have been allowed to leave her cell by the end of this episode. Under guard. After having been forced to supply them with names and ideas from behind bars, on pain of torture followed by execution. Rhaenyra's clinging so tightly to that woman, that quickly, for no reason, is seriously undermining her as a credible ruler, leader and sensible adult. And she didn't need more undermining, frankly. At this point, if I was Jace, I would have flown to Harrenhall and colluded with Daemon to perform a coup and have my silly mother confined to her chambers for the remainder of the war, and taken charge myself.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 24, 2024 11:57:34 GMT
Oh, and there's a line in season 1 when Rhaenyra and Alicent get into a catfight about the Blackwoods and Brackens. "I've heard tell that Lord Grover's son now rules Riverrun in all but name." that feels like nice foreshadowing that the Tullys maaaaaybe aren't as indecisive and reliant on old Grover's decision-making as they've been letting on in season 2, even with that son dead. It'll be nice to see them stepping more into the fore. Even beyond Catelyn, they were a seriously underrated bunch of scene-stealers and character actors in Game of Thrones. Tobias Menzies totally out-acting Nicolaj Coster-Waldau while tied to a post in a great scene for both of them is still one of the few highlights of the later seasons for me. Rewatching those first season episodes and picking up on little throwaway foreshadowings like that feels great. Kind of like reading the books, and picking out the underlying meaning of a line or seemingly pointless flavor factoid on the third pass, that suddenly recontextualizes things.
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Post by melbella on Jul 29, 2024 2:56:39 GMT
Well, Vermithor is challenging Sea Smoke for best supporting actor, I see. At first I thought it not a good plan to bring all the wannabees in at once, but then I thought maybe it was a good plan since if they went in groups, as soon as the first group got smoked/incinerated/chewed/eaten/spit out the rest would run for the hills.
Anyone else think Alicent is going to drown herself? That's the first impression I got when she waded out in the water.
Haven't read the book so I have no idea.
Who's the dragon at the end, the one with the eggs?
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 29, 2024 3:09:02 GMT
Jace is correct, besides Rhaenrya is handing out Westerosi nukes to Jim Bob down the street without knowing if they will hold any loyalty to her in the long run. She should be trusting Jace, Baela, Corlys and her council, etc, not the slithering Mysaria. I'm also not sure why they didn't get on their dragons and tear Aemond apart when he chased Silverwing that far, they could've taken out the most important player right there.
Vermithor is cool, I couldn't help but notice that he liked his dinner well done! but gotta love that Silverwing boop, she is now rivaling Sunfyre and the long noodle Caraxes as the most loveable dragon imo. If you don't want to see a minor spoiler about Alicent don't click below, (about the drowning question) She doesn't drown herself, (or shouldn't) not in the book anyway. Who knows, they might diverge and try it in the show, but she still shouldn't die here.
Also, the Dragon at the end was Silverwing.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 29, 2024 4:34:51 GMT
Jace being mortified that dragons being handed out to Targaryen bastards totally undermines his own legitimacy felt like the final nail in the coffin for Rhaenyra. She should have taken her responsibility as the future ruler seriously as a girl, and failing that, she should have conceded her claim to Aegon first thing when Jace was born. Failing to do either of those things brought them here, when she finally raises dragonriders she has no hope of being able to control instead of accepting that she's losing or has lost the war for her crown, the existence of which essentially destroys any small hope she had of passing her heir off as legit even if she wins. Or of avoiding dragon war and chaos even if she loses or surrenders, for that matter. I'm also not sure why they didn't get on their dragons and tear Aemond apart when he chased Silverwing that far, they could've taken out the most important player right there. Aegon vs. Rhaenys was a pretty good showcase of how much of a difference dragonrider experience can make. Aemond has been preparing himself to ride Vhagar into battle his entire life, and Hugh, Adam and Ulf probably can't even pronounce "Dracarys" yet. And if Aemond drew the Black dragons back toward King's Landing, Rhaenyra might be expecting Helaena to join the fight on Dreamfyre to take revenge for her son? The show has pretty much canonized that bigger dragons are faster, too, so he'd still have the ability to engage and disengage at will, even against Vermithor. Which feels like a pretty huge advantage when fighting in three dimensions with a breath weapon. The thing that annoyed me even before this episode is that nobody seriously discussed the possibility of Caraxes, Maleys, Syrax, Vermax and Moondancer all storming the Red Keep at night and locking or outright burning it down before Aemond or Aegon could get to Vhagar and Sunfire. They knew that was where both slept, and at the time I assumed all the Green dragons to be kept in the Dragonpit(Maegor had it built for himself, so it should be big enough to have housed Belarion when he wasn't much smaller than Vhagar is now) which would give them at least a good fifteen minutes to half an hour before they would expect to be challenged even if Aemond managed to escape somehow. Especially if they put a dragon on the entrance to the Dragonpit itself. Sacrificing the Red Keep to end the war before it really properly began seemed like the next best thing to Rhaenys just frying the Greens in that ridiculous mass-murderous stunt she pulled that nobody ever called her on. In general, the Greens having to spend so much time and go to so much effort to mount their dragons is a massive security weakness. Same for word of a foreign dragon approaching not getting to Aemond until it's right on top of King's Landing. There should be a guy with a big-ass horn and a telescope pointed straight at Dragonstone at all times. And even then, unless they were stupid enough to attack while he was in the middle of patrolling around the city on Vhagar, I honestly don't see how he would expect to be able to defend it from a coordinated dragon attack without pitching a tent right next to his dragon and holding Small Council meetings from there. This also completely vindicates Daemon's plan to take Rhaenys and just make a beeline to kill the fucker in the first episode. The war would totally have ended right there, and Luke's death would have worked perfectly fine as pretext. Would have liked Rhaenyra to put a bit more weight on Vermithor's history as the dragon of her great-grandfather (and Hugh's grandfather) Jaehaerys, the Good King, while hyping him up for the dragonseeds. Both in order to motivate them and reassure them that the beast will be ridden by the right person, and to associate it with a sense of duty and loyalty to the Targ main line in their minds. But then, Rhaenyra is pretty terrible at everything to do with other people. Her scene with Mysaria was cringe as usual this episode. She also completely failed to take any kind of responsibility for putting them all in this position when Jace threw it extremely gently in her face, for the first time.
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Post by melbella on Jul 29, 2024 11:13:06 GMT
I just noticed this but Vhagar seems to have an Iron Bull thing going on - massive body, tiny head. ![:huh:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/0jfwitAClmGMfZHOkpXP.png)
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 29, 2024 14:55:19 GMT
If it wasn't for her crazy attachment to Mysaria, I'd half-expect Rhaenyra to put the moves on Hugh while Daemon is out of the house. Dude has some serious Harwin Strong vibes in that tunic.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jul 29, 2024 19:21:42 GMT
So do we think/know if Nettles has been written out of the TV version, the way Mushroom was?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 29, 2024 21:11:02 GMT
Pretty good episode. I am well sick of Daemon's story line this season, but at least something happened in this one. Dude was totally outplayed by a child. And he knew it, too. Nice moment. Not for the Bracken guy, sure. But in terms of themes/story beats I liked how it outlines just how much the dragonlords depend on the little people (and calls back to Varys riddle in GoT about power - again).
Half surprised that - I'm terrible with names - Corlys' bastard chose Rhaenyra, although it may have been abject terror and he would've bowed to the first Targaryen that appeared. Thought his resentment towards his father for not acknowledging him might've led him towards the Greens. Turns out, all he wanted was a tiny bit of kindness from Daddy, and he got it. "Well done". Top effort, pops.
Rhaenyra's Targaryen Suicide Squad both couldn't have gone much worse and couldn't really have been any better. The expected survivors (if there were to be any) survived and a whole lot of potentially inconvenient, totally innocent people were cindered or eaten of their own free will. I really thought the second dude might've been dragon food when he stumbled into Silverwing, though. At first I thought the flight to Kings Landing was a stupid mistake, that he'd just climbed on and been taken for a ride and said to my wife - "this clown has just cost Rhaenyra a dragon", but then when Aemond called Vhagar away - bitch is absolutely thirsting for a fight - and saw Rhaenyra standing there with all her dragons, it became clear. It had been a message. You're outnumbered. What is it, if you count Daemon...? Five to one. Six? Yes Vhagar is the biggest, but Vermithor is almost as big, and apparently meaner.
I do wonder if the dragon wizards - the singing people - leaving and not being part of the bonding process will cause a problem later on. For the moment, though - advantage Black. Alicent I don't know about drowning herself. Maybe? She certainly is struggling with how things have turned out.
I feel for her, though. Whored out by her own father for political gain to a broken, old and very sick - even then - man and then to watch her own children be passed over by clearly illegitimate children of her childhood friend who was having her cake and eating it too, as well as stealing from Alicent's plate. That kind of long term injustice could easily lead even the most level headed into poor decisions.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 29, 2024 21:48:14 GMT
So do we think/know if Nettles has been written out of the TV version, the way Mushroom was? The writers have not said anything as far as I know, but Nettles should've been introduced by now, and fans have speculated (because it seems obvious) that they are going to give a similar story to Daemon's daughter Rhaena. Daemon's vision of Laena asking him if he's "looking out for our girls" pointed to a redemption arc with his children as well. There is some speculation that Nettles could appear in season 3 to claim a different dragon, maybe Cannibal, etc. but I doubt that theory myself.
Kind of a shame, as I do think they could've added her in while still having Daemon repair his relationship with his daughters. Even cut out his rumored affair with Nettles if they didn't want to go that route, but it seems the writers chose differently.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 29, 2024 23:37:44 GMT
I'm not particularly attached to Nettles from the book. Developing Daemon's relationship with his existing daughter seems more efficient, screentime-wise. That said, Rhaena feels like the weakest link among the younger cast by far. I'm not sure I've even seen the actress with more than a single expression on her face(the someone-has-stolen-my-puppy one), and Aemond already did the 'dragonless sibling getting their own back' arc way more emphatically, and in just two episodes.
There's also something really disgusting about her attitude, to me. The way she acts when Rhaenyra tasks her with leading, protecting, teaching and loving her younger siblings, and raising them far away in case something happens to the adults, like she's essentially being thrown in the trash... and then abandoning them to their retainers at the first opportunity... Jesus. No regard whatsoever for the importance or trust being placed in her, when any knight of the Kingsguard in the history of the kingdom would have felt honored beyond belief being given that job.
If they'd established her as being particularly scared for her remaining family, or feeling like the odds are stacked really badly against them and it's her fault for not also having a dragon, or generally martial in nature like her sister and father, I could see it. And maybe when I go back and rewatch the season, little pieces of dialogue along those lines might jump out at me in a way they didn't on the first pass, while assuming she was on her way out. But as things stand, it just feels like she doesn't give a damn about anything other than having a dragon and being treated like she's as cool as Baela. Which was cute for bullied 10-yearold Aemond, but isn't for a grown woman whose entire family is facing destruction, including the little ones who need protection.
To be fair, it also feels like they might have cut some of her story out of the season. Those scenes with Jenye Arryn had such a heavy vibe, I thought they were going to be the marginally-less-implausible-and-insane lesbian couple of the show, and that time would be wasted in the Vale just indulging that. Was confused when I got to the end of that one episode without seeing their first dinner together, and even moreso now that it seems like she's going to play a much bigger role going forward, and that opportunity to develop her at the Eyrie sparring with someone like Jeyne (who seems way more grounded and worldly, and unintimidated by her heritage) was wasted in favor of so much cringe Rhaenyra/Mysario plotting, and maybe one too many Daemon mushroom trips.
Though I guess maybe there's time to make up for some of that next episode, or next season if she sticks around the Vale for a while yet. It feels like recent episodes have upped the pace a bit, and the timeline from the books is collapsing so it's hard to gauge how much focus there'll be time for, for each storyline. Daemon's story this season made it clear that they're not afraid of taking their time to indulge in a particular character arc, at least.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 30, 2024 2:05:21 GMT
Some of the points and feelings you made about Rhaena's attitude, are what I suspect is going to help cause Rhaenyra to order Rhaena's (in place of Nettles) death later on. Especially when the battle of the Gullet takes place, and with what happens to Jace, Viserys, Stormcloud, etc. I can see a pretty believable path of Rhaenrya snapping further and blaming Rhaena. I'm at least positive they're not going to go with some affair route with Daemon and Rhaena.......at least I hope not......... It's hard for me to say for certain that it's her acting, but I think in general she's just not that interesting when it comes to the writing imo. Aside from a few characters on the Black side, I tend to find episodes that focus on the Greens more interesting to watch in general, especially Aegon who gets to go through a large range of emotions and does it exceptionally well. It's why I would've preferred at least 10 episodes to flesh more characters out, and I at least hope they would give 10 for the 3rd season. There are a number of characters I wish had more time and I think my enjoyment of them might improve.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 30, 2024 17:41:30 GMT
I had the same sense of Jace before he started becoming more active and engaging with the conflict beyond just being the good prince. His and Rhaenyra's scenes have been a treat lately. Overall, except for Daemon, the Blacks are just too healthy and wholesome as a family unit to be interesting to observe when having interpersonal drama vs plot and worldbuilding drama. And Rhaenyra's anxious indecisiveness has just been incredibly frustrating. Making the shift from that crap to questions about the power of the Targaryen lineage, dragon lore and some of the deeper stuff that's been going unsaid since the middle of season 1, and is kind of supposed to be the crux of the story, is a huge improvement. Rhaenyra's attempts to court the smallfolk could have been just as great if her sudden connection with Mysaria hadn't threatened to made the whole thing look stupid, just for having sprung out of that trust. Mysaria betraying Rhaenyra down the line would at least make that storyline feel more natural. Although I'd really prefer it if Rhaenyra turns out to have been playing her the last batch of episodes, instead. That would redeem a LOT of those scenes, and help repair Rhaenyra's character too. I also find it strange that they've left Jace's and Baela's on-screen relationship so... unromantic. What with them being bethrothed and all, and neither seeming to be the kind to hold themselves back from indulging in that kind of thing, at least emotionally. They're supportive enough of each other, but a hint that there's actually something there would go a long way toward making the Black cause feel more complete and purposeful, having a prospective budding new family at the core. And be a stark contrast to Aegon and Helaena. It's been too long since I read the book to remember much about the progression from the Gulet and onward, but at this point my money would be on Rhaena actually betraying and/or abandoning Rhaenyra after the God's Eye and the Gullet, either because there's not enough left to hold her, because she carries serious resentment for Rhaenyra, or because Rhaenyra will have seemed to disgrace herself somehow by then. That seems the best way to try and thread the needle, keeping both characters edgy and fundamentally admirable at the same time. Or trying to, at least. Which seems to be the way the show wants to lean. And agreed. Cutting out two episodes really feels like it's done a number of the season's pacing, even disregarding all the potential cut development. Daemon's tripping would have felt better paced if we still had three more episodes to go, too.
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Post by melbella on Aug 5, 2024 2:26:40 GMT
Well, that finale had way less fire and blood than I was expecting. ![:why:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/MVXW0DmcTsJZlBSSOwAc.png) Is that the first season finale where no one died??
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 5, 2024 2:28:55 GMT
Well, that finale had way less fire and blood than I was expecting. ![:why:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/lkDHhDnNWGOBwftCrIDX.png) Is that the first season finale where no one died?? Alicent's character was assassinated pretty thoroughly?
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Aug 5, 2024 3:00:37 GMT
I am not happy, this season was disappointing for me as a whole and the finale was uninspiring. Maybe the finale wouldn't have felt that bad if it wasn't the end before a two-year wait, or if they didn't murder Alicent, but as it stands every plot line dragged unnecessarily, and it ended on a whimper. Rhaenrya peace waffling (when she shouldn't), Daemon visions until the end, Alicent now peace waffling (when she shouldn't), Rhaena not claiming sheep stealer yet, etc. They made both Rhaenrya and Alicent passive beyond belief.....I originally liked their friendship in the first season but now it feels like an anchor on the show, a friendship that should've long been broken, which was set up at the end of season one and sould've been finished off after B&C. Remember this Alicent, I do and so does Pepperidge Farm. I miss this Alicent. Now they thought making her a turn cloak that still has fuzzy feelings for Rhaenrya and is willing to sacrifice family over it, was a good idea. I think they want to force scenes with them together, and in doing so they came up with a nonsense scene that is not faithful to Alicent's character. If they wanted scenes with them together then wait for the fall of King's landing and they would have had them. Now moving on to Halaena who I always wanted more scenes with, and who always spoke of her visions cryptically... well now they're clear, and in doing so they had her spoil a big plot point for non-book readers, good job. If I continue on, one thing that bothered me for the entire season is that B&C fizzled when it should've held weight, kind of how Ned Starks death resonated through GOT. Halaena should've had a big plot point over the death of her son from the books. As for the prophecy GOT stuff, I never liked it and just wanted the war over succession, but if it was kept at a minimum and just for Rhaenrya, I could ignore it. Now however they've even given Daemon a vision, no thanks. It makes the world feel small and Marvel-esque, and I don't like how it changes motivations. I guess that's all for now. I'm not here to ruin a vibe, especially if others enjoy it, so I'll bow out. I'll probably watch the first episode of season 3 to see if it's noticeably better but after this, I'm doubting it.
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