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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2023 8:27:54 GMT
It’s not like we haven’t had companions who were tapping each other’s midnight still before. Really? Name an example. I don't recall any companion who was an item with another companion before they joined our team. The nearest I can think of is Isabella hinting that she had encountered Anders at the brothel in Denerim but that was very much a brief encounter, not a relationship. On the whole, companions only hooked up with one another in DAI after it was clear the PC was not interested in pursuing a long term relationship with them. It is possible that one member of the couple is killed by Solas (or someone else) and that prompts them to join up. So, Antoine could be killed and Evka is left bereft, or Viago is killed and that inspires retribution from Teia, but that could only apply to one couple, not all of them. Strife and Irelin are rather different because there has never actually been any mention of them being romantically involved. I just pointed out that they always seem to work as a couple of colleagues in the stories so far but the rather enigmatic Strife does seem to have more to him than he claims and could well end up leaving Irelin behind in order to join our team. Alternatively, perhaps she will stay in contact, keeping watch on him from a distance and then assisting as necessary. She is a shapeshifter after all, so could easily follow on as a bird or halla, swapping to bear when brute force is necessary, as was the case in Three Trees to Midnight.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on May 12, 2023 8:52:30 GMT
If I were to guess at a companion pair to be recruited in DAD I think I would guess a Mourn Watcher like Emmrich and a Greater Dead bound to them. Now that would be a possibility, except it would still only take up one companion slot, as Emmrich would be the companion and the Greater Dead would be under his control. The bond between Myrna and Audric is supposed to contain only a modicum of control, to prevent I think any future problems if he loses himself to anger in the future, I had the impression he would still have free will/thought and therefore that such a companion combo may take up two slots instead of one. "You are faced with a choice," Myrna said, coming over. "You have confronted your killer, and recognised your driving passion. You may rest now, guardsmen." "Or?" "Or you may work under the auspices of a Watcher," Myrna said. "Under a modicum of magical control. To avoid anomie, the bond must be given freely." "To you madam?" "If it's satisfactory." At the very least I would expect to be able to talk to them even if they weren't mechanically a companion in combat.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2023 8:56:48 GMT
at this point I doubt we'll get Mae as a companion. I doubt it too but I know some people are still hopeful of her inclusion. Also, Trespasser made a big deal out of Dorian and Mae forming the Lucerni and it seemed they were going to be a faction going forward but actually we have heard nothing of them as a group since then. In Tevinter Nights, instead of the eager group of enthusiastic young Magisters, their group just seemed like a regular group of drinking/gambling buddies just interested in gossip over a game of cards and little else. It occurred after the Wigmaker Job in the timeline as they referenced this, which must surely mean the invasion of the Antaam had already begun, yet it was never mentioned. Perhaps that is what they meant in the Behind the Scenes video about people in charge not addressing the real dangers that threaten them. What I am beginning to wonder is if Dorian is going to be sidelined going forward. It seemed like a given that he would be our contact in Minrathous, seeing as they insist on sending him back to Tevinter no matter what his relationship is with the Inquisitor, but then Neve is the person that Varric automatically goes to in the latest series. Admittedly, she would have better underworld contacts and so more likely have heard rumours of Solas but I still found it strange that they wouldn't contact him at all for information. I suppose it could be implied that if Dorian had anything useful he would tell the Inquisitor via the communication crystal but if the latter is in the south, then Varric would have been out of the loop whilst on the road with Harding. This is why I wondered if the absence of Dorian might be because there is going to be some major plot or sub-plot involving him that is important to the narrative in game. Perhaps he was elsewhere, where he should be, directing the fightback against the Qunari. He was announced at the Winter Palace as a member of the Circle in Vyrantium, so if that is now under siege, perhaps that is where we will find him.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2023 9:13:05 GMT
Old school paired companions like the original Baldur's gate had? I don't think they've done that in any games since, probably cause it annoyed people to have to take a character they don't want in order to get the one they do. I actually found it less of a problem in BG because at least it was a party of 6, so even if you had to keep a couple together, that still left 3 other slots open. The reduction of the party size to 4 means that a couple would reduce the addition to just one person, which would be even more restrictive if the couple are from the same class, as with Viago/Teia. If the leak was accurate and the party is going to be slimmed down to just 3 members, our Hero and 2 others, then how would you be able to have a balanced party if you are also from the same class as the couple? Admittedly, I did find it possible to run a majority mage with one rogue party in DAI, particularly if I was a Knight Enchanter, but really that should not have been the case. Ideally, it should be balanced so you run one person from each class, including the PC, and then have the additional slot as a wildcard.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 12, 2023 10:10:38 GMT
at this point I doubt we'll get Mae as a companion. I doubt it too but I know some people are still hopeful of her inclusion. Also, Trespasser made a big deal out of Dorian and Mae forming the Lucerni and it seemed they were going to be a faction going forward but actually we have heard nothing of them as a group since then. In Tevinter Nights, instead of the eager group of enthusiastic young Magisters, their group just seemed like a regular group of drinking/gambling buddies just interested in gossip over a game of cards and little else. It occurred after the Wigmaker Job in the timeline as they referenced this, which must surely mean the invasion of the Antaam had already begun, yet it was never mentioned. Perhaps that is what they meant in the Behind the Scenes video about people in charge not addressing the real dangers that threaten them. What I am beginning to wonder is if Dorian is going to be sidelined going forward. It seemed like a given that he would be our contact in Minrathous, seeing as they insist on sending him back to Tevinter no matter what his relationship is with the Inquisitor, but then Neve is the person that Varric automatically goes to in the latest series. Admittedly, she would have better underworld contacts and so more likely have heard rumours of Solas but I still found it strange that they wouldn't contact him at all for information. I suppose it could be implied that if Dorian had anything useful he would tell the Inquisitor via the communication crystal but if the latter is in the south, then Varric would have been out of the loop whilst on the road with Harding. This is why I wondered if the absence of Dorian might be because there is going to be some major plot or sub-plot involving him that is important to the narrative in game. Perhaps he was elsewhere, where he should be, directing the fightback against the Qunari. He was announced at the Winter Palace as a member of the Circle in Vyrantium, so if that is now under siege, perhaps that is where we will find him. Considering Dorian was used as an Inquisition contact in the Deception comic, him not being in this one might just be them not wanting to overuse him as well as establishing other characters. Really hope they don’t have him or the other senior Inquisition members ignoring the big issues like that trailer said (in this case both Solas and the Qun invasion).
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Post by Absafraginlootly on May 12, 2023 10:32:26 GMT
Who says we can only have one Minrathous contact? Neve could be our underworld contact whilst Dorian is our high society contact.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 12, 2023 10:40:49 GMT
Who says we can only have one Minrathous contact? Neve could be our underworld contact whilst Dorian is our high society contact. Given the apparent emphasis on factions, it's also possible that Neve represents the Shadow Dragons while Dorian represents the Lucerni.
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Post by colfoley on May 12, 2023 10:46:41 GMT
at this point I doubt we'll get Mae as a companion. I doubt it too but I know some people are still hopeful of her inclusion. Also, Trespasser made a big deal out of Dorian and Mae forming the Lucerni and it seemed they were going to be a faction going forward but actually we have heard nothing of them as a group since then. In Tevinter Nights, instead of the eager group of enthusiastic young Magisters, their group just seemed like a regular group of drinking/gambling buddies just interested in gossip over a game of cards and little else. It occurred after the Wigmaker Job in the timeline as they referenced this, which must surely mean the invasion of the Antaam had already begun, yet it was never mentioned. Perhaps that is what they meant in the Behind the Scenes video about people in charge not addressing the real dangers that threaten them. What I am beginning to wonder is if Dorian is going to be sidelined going forward. It seemed like a given that he would be our contact in Minrathous, seeing as they insist on sending him back to Tevinter no matter what his relationship is with the Inquisitor, but then Neve is the person that Varric automatically goes to in the latest series. Admittedly, she would have better underworld contacts and so more likely have heard rumours of Solas but I still found it strange that they wouldn't contact him at all for information. I suppose it could be implied that if Dorian had anything useful he would tell the Inquisitor via the communication crystal but if the latter is in the south, then Varric would have been out of the loop whilst on the road with Harding. This is why I wondered if the absence of Dorian might be because there is going to be some major plot or sub-plot involving him that is important to the narrative in game. Perhaps he was elsewhere, where he should be, directing the fightback against the Qunari. He was announced at the Winter Palace as a member of the Circle in Vyrantium, so if that is now under siege, perhaps that is where we will find him. In a way I suppose its weird but I am still taking lack of Dorian to indicate they are trying to save his role for Dreadwolf itself. Assuming of course they havne't changed direction or IRL concerns haven't gotten in the way. And at the risk of the logic getting a little convoluted but it wouldn't make much sense to ask Dorian for help when Solas knows who Dorian is and would be doing his darndest to avoid him. Which on that note being a major politician Dorian can't exactly blend in like Neve or the party of Varric/ Harding. On the note of Neve joining the party though and the note of a potential 'freeing the slaves' plot and also a potential grounding of the Player character in the issues of the people then Neve might be a good candidate for all of those roles. Granted again stressing I haven't read the comics yet but that would really seem to fit in with things. She could easily end up fitting into the role of Cole/ Solas/ or Sera. Which keeping this in mind could provide the valuable perspective and conversation I am talking about. Focus on the big issues sure, but then don't forget the little people on the way to do it either. Which was basically Sera's whole schtick. Who says we can only have one Minrathous contact? Neve could be our underworld contact whilst Dorian is our high society contact. Beautifully put.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2023 12:24:56 GMT
Who says we can only have one Minrathous contact? Neve could be our underworld contact whilst Dorian is our high society contact. This was my initial thought on the matter but then I realised that the Lucerni have had nothing written about them since Trespasser. In Luck in the Gardens, Dorian says how he and Maevaris have been trying to win over members of the Magisterum, as illustrated by their drinking party. However, in Trespasser he tells us that they have already had a degree of success and have a definitely recognised faction operating in the higher echelons of society, yet there is nary a mention of the name Lucerni when discussing their efforts in TN. Dorian has to advertise for an outsider to deal with the creature in the story, which makes me wonder why this is necessary if there are young Magisters wanting to prove themselves. Neither TN, the short stories or the comics feature the Lucerni as a faction. What is the point of them if they aren't fighting Venatori or the Qun? Considering Dorian was used as an Inquisition contact in the Deception comic, him not being in this one might just be them not wanting to overuse him as well as establishing other characters. Deception was a long time back now. He was there at the invasion of Tevinter, so you would imagine him returning to Minrathous and stirring the Lucerni into action defending their homeland even if the rest of the Magisterium is apathetic about it, yet the Antaam proceeded unchallenged down as far as Vyrantium. What I also found peculiar about TN and this subsequent comic series, is the degree to which the Crows have become involved with Tevinter affairs. May be that has some connection with the Shadow Dragons or the Lucerni or the Archon trying to keep himself one step removed but it seems forced to me, particularly when Antiva is now under direct attack from the Qun. What reason would be important enough for two Talons to absent themselves from their homeland at such a critical time? Now, it would have made more sense to have the people Varric/Harding ran into in Vyrantium to be Lucerni, sent there by Dorian to investigate the degree of Venatori activity in the city because of the threat they pose to the stability of the Imperium at such a sensitive time. Yet, they preferred to continue to involve the Crows, showcasing them as a faction in the next game, which makes me think the Lucerni are going to play a bit part at best.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2023 12:40:07 GMT
it wouldn't make much sense to ask Dorian for help when Solas knows who Dorian is and would be doing his darndest to avoid him. Which on that note being a major politician Dorian can't exactly blend in like Neve or the party of Varric/ Harding. That didn't stop them using Varric in this series, who is after all the Viscount of Kirkwall as well as someone that Solas knows even better than Dorian. As I've said above, they could have introduced us to some members of the Lucerni acting on behalf of Dorian, particularly down in Vyrantium, yet this faction, which was given such a high profile at the end of Trespasser, has been totally ignored in subsequent stories. If the comic's main purpose was to introduce the major factions we will be working with, then clearly the Lucerni are not one of them. Remember, the factions in the comic were also featured in the 2020 trailer and short stories, so, together with Tevinter Nights, that means the Lucerni have been side-lined and have not played a part at all, nor are considered among the main factions we will be working with. Incidentally, Neve is not unknown to Solas, since his agent was specifically recommended to her by Irelin if she needed a job done on the quiet but she insisted she needed a thief. So, underworld contact or not, I imagine Solas is well aware of who she is. Let's face it, she doesn't exactly dress inconspicuously, which I have to admit I find odd for a private investigator.
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Post by necrowaif on May 12, 2023 14:38:06 GMT
Hmmmm. I have a sinking feeling that the Lucerni (a perfectly decent moniker) got renamed to “Shadow Dragons” because either Patrick or John thought it sounded cooler.
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Post by Iddy on May 12, 2023 15:36:19 GMT
Hmmmm. I have a sinking feeling that the Lucerni (a perfectly decent moniker) got renamed to “Shadow Dragons” because either Patrick or John thought it sounded cooler. The Lucerni aren't an underground group. As the name suggests, they operate in the light.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 12, 2023 15:41:52 GMT
Hmmmm. I have a sinking feeling that the Lucerni (a perfectly decent moniker) got renamed to “Shadow Dragons” because either Patrick or John thought it sounded cooler. The Lucerni aren't an underground group. As the name suggests, they operate in the light. Maybe they are a group that the Lucerni has allied with, working and doing things they can’t do.
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Post by Reznore on May 12, 2023 16:05:26 GMT
Hmmmm. I have a sinking feeling that the Lucerni (a perfectly decent moniker) got renamed to “Shadow Dragons” because either Patrick or John thought it sounded cooler. I think the Lucerni is a political group trying to gain power in the Tevinter senate. Calling yourself Shadow Dragons is political suicide.
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Post by dayze on May 12, 2023 16:34:54 GMT
The Lucerni aren't an underground group. As the name suggests, they operate in the light. Maybe they are a group that the Lucerni has allied with, working and doing things they can’t do. Honestly they sound like some kind of crime cartel or some such thing......"maybe" a nationalist group from Tevinter and that's only because the name kind of reminds me of "The Black Dragon Society" from Japan.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2023 16:40:49 GMT
Maybe they are a group that the Lucerni has allied with, working and doing things they can’t do. Now this is a possibility I can accept. I did wonder where the money came from that hired Lucanis and speculated at the time that it might be Dorian doing something similar to the Archon in Mage Killer. Certainly, Imperial Templars weren't going to have that sort of money. However, the Lucerni wanted to reform Tevinter whilst retaining the current power structures, whereas the Shadow Dragons seem to want to change things entirely, or at least return to how things were immediately after Hessarian adopted the Andrastrian faith. Now it is possible that some of the Lucerni would be happy with this so long as Tevinter survives as a nation but not all of them, particularly if it meant giving up their slaves. Even Maevaris seemed to regard Dorian as somewhat eccentric for freeing his after returning from the south. Nevertheless, I am sure both groups vehemently oppose the Venatori and so "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" probably applies in this case.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2023 16:49:20 GMT
The Lucerni aren't an underground group. As the name suggests, they operate in the light. As you say, their name means the complete opposite to an organisation that works from the shadows. I think the Lucerni is a political group trying to gain power in the Tevinter senate. Exactly and they are quite open about it. Of course, that doesn't mean they might not have agents among the Shadows and vice versa, particularly if they want to take out corrupt Magisters who have too much power to do so openly. What I am hoping is that one of those they have in their sights is the Black Divine. It was clear from the narrative about him in Asunder that he is totally corrupt in advancing his own power, with many of his friends in high places, and Dorian mentioned how he is quite open about eliminating his enemies personally, so it would be quite difficult to oppose him successfully in the Senate. However, feeding information to a clandestine organisation like the Shadow Dragons and financing their efforts might be a way of achieving this. I've speculated in the past that he might be that weird bald headed dude being carried around on a litter by hidden slaves in the concept art.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2023 17:20:16 GMT
For clarification I mean this guy, who can also be seen outside a building in the right of the bottom picture that could be the Cathedral in Minrathous.
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Post by necrowaif on May 12, 2023 18:00:13 GMT
Hmmmm. I have a sinking feeling that the Lucerni (a perfectly decent moniker) got renamed to “Shadow Dragons” because either Patrick or John thought it sounded cooler. I think the Lucerni is a political group trying to gain power in the Tevinter senate. Calling yourself Shadow Dragons is political suicide. There you go, bringing logic into the discussion. I’m suggesting different creative sensibilities now guide the development of DAD. I mean, yeah, to a sensible person “Shadow Dragons” is a terrible name for an abolitionist political party. But you have to consider that it sounds TOTALLY RADICALin a low-budget 80s action movie kinda way. Regardless, time will prove me right or wrong. Hopefully the latter.
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Post by colfoley on May 12, 2023 18:43:58 GMT
Yeah I'm with everyone else on this. The lucerni and Shadow Dragons are seperate groups with different tactics.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on May 12, 2023 22:57:57 GMT
Incidentally, Neve is not unknown to Solas, since his agent was specifically recommended to her by Irelin if she needed a job done on the quiet but she insisted she needed a thief. So, underworld contact or not, I imagine Solas is well aware of who she is. Let's face it, she doesn't exactly dress inconspicuously, which I have to admit I find odd for a private investigator. Eh? Irelin the dalish/veil jumping shapeshifter and Neve Gallus the minrathous detective have never met. And there aren't any Solas agents in either of their TN short stories that we know of. Are you sure your not confusing them with Vadis the altus cat burgler and Irian her elven lover? Cause Vadis was hired by a Solas agent to steal something. Or do you mean Irian suggested that agent go to Neve instead of Vadis? (possible I haven't read that story in a while.)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 12, 2023 23:03:19 GMT
Maybe they are a group that the Lucerni has allied with, working and doing things they can’t do. Now this is a possibility I can accept. I did wonder where the money came from that hired Lucanis and speculated at the time that it might be Dorian doing something similar to the Archon in Mage Killer. Certainly, Imperial Templars weren't going to have that sort of money. However, the Lucerni wanted to reform Tevinter whilst retaining the current power structures, whereas the Shadow Dragons seem to want to change things entirely, or at least return to how things were immediately after Hessarian adopted the Andrastrian faith. Now it is possible that some of the Lucerni would be happy with this so long as Tevinter survives as a nation but not all of them, particularly if it meant giving up their slaves. Even Maevaris seemed to regard Dorian as somewhat eccentric for freeing his after returning from the south. Nevertheless, I am sure both groups vehemently oppose the Venatori and so "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" probably applies in this case. Yeah. Between the Venatori, the Qunari, and now Solas they have plenty to go “We need to work together now, and later we can work something out.” Also for your other reply to me about Dorian, him not being here could simply be he is helping elsewhere in Tevinter or maybe can’t get back to Minrathous.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 13, 2023 8:27:51 GMT
Or do you mean Irian suggested that agent go to Neve instead of Vadis? (possible I haven't read that story in a while.) Sorry, I got the names mixed up. You are quite correct, it was Vadis who suggested the agent use Neve Gallus for clandestine work and it was Irelin who had previously been approached by agents of Solas with a view to recruiting her. The main point is that there are clearly plenty of his agents active in Minrathous and Neve Gallus seems to be generally known as someone to use if you want to avoid official channels, so it is hardly surprising if Solas was behind what went down in issue 4, he knew that likely Varric's first port of call would be Neve. More than one reviewer has expressed their doubts that the elven slave who killed the "Venatori" following them was just an innocent escapee who happened to know where Solas would be headed next. In fact, there was no way of knowing if that information was correct because they didn't go in pursuit of Solas but opted to help the slaves instead. Had they chosen not to do so, they may still have not found him and assumed they arrived too late. It seems to me that the intent by the elf was to flush out the person who had been following Varric/Harding in order to kill them. Now there had been some confusion over this because it seemed possible that had been Solas in disguise. Clearly, people like myself were wrong about this. However, did they actually examine the corpse? Was it female? Was there any indication other than the clothes that they were Venatori? For example, what if they were an agent of the Executors in disguise, hoping that Varric would lead them to Solas? Such a person might well possess the sort of magic that would shield them from Solas so he was unable to track them. It might also explain how they seemed able to cope with the strange magic in Arlathan Forest better than some of the others in order to save Varric, which is why some people assumed it had to be Solas. I am not the only person who finds the conclusions that Varric and Harding keep coming to in the series are rather contrived: The person following them kills in the manner of the Venatori. How exactly since this was never a feature of them before? If they have got some sort of ritualistic way of killing their enemies, it would be easy enough to copy. The person was dressed like a Venatori. They did not all dress the same in the past and anyway, anybody can dress like another group. Solas did this himself in Tevinter Nights. The person had not tried to kill them and in fact saved Varric. So, it was obvious the "Venatori" was using them to find Solas. They completely overlooked the fact that the actual Venatori in Vyrantium had tried to kill them, twice. Surely if this was all part of the plan of the Venatori, they would have done a better job of ensuring their survival and that of members of their own group? How did Varric and Harding know to go to Minrathous in order to find Solas? There was no indication in issue 3 of a clue that would send them that way. Actually, I think Varric was probably right to try and intercept the person following them before heading there. The fact that they eluded them also seems to suggest someone with powers beyond that of a regular Venatori. Was the "Venatori" actually with the other group? Were they genuinely trying to attack Varric? Naturally, we will never know but the elf killing them outright does seem very suspect to me. Whilst, Solas may have wanted to help the slaves anyway when he freed them, it is entirely possible that he was actually aiding one of his agents to escape, who then had a cover to infiltrate other groups in Minrathous. Yet, this possibility never even crossed the minds of Varric and Harding. Varric is a devious wheeler dealer from Kirkwall and Harding was meant to have been trained up as a replacement spymaster by Leliana, yet they never consider any of this, despite knowing how Solas and his agents have operated in the past. No wonder the Inquisition is having such lack of success in tracing him.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 13, 2023 8:41:50 GMT
Also for your other reply to me about Dorian, him not being here could simply be he is helping elsewhere in Tevinter or maybe can’t get back to Minrathous. This is why I am holding out hope that his absence may be due to some major plot path in the game, or at the very least some sub-plot. If you get the epilogue in Trespasser for the Iron Bull/Dorian romance, the latter does get kidnapped by the Venatori when on his way to one of their trysts. This shows that he was still a target for that faction, likely because of his political activity with the Lucerni and his pursuit of them. Was he not looking for Venatori in Ventus in Deception? I also seem to recall that he thought his father had got him the job of Ambassador for Tevinter at the Exalted Council in order to get him away from danger and that the Venatori murdered his father instead. Part of the reason he wanted to return to Tevinter was to be able to hunt down his father's killers and I did wonder if this might be a personal quest on behalf of him as an adviser in the next game. This could still be the case but starts with trying to find Dorian first because he has gone missing. Anyway, I'm hoping it is something on those lines and not just that they decided to reduce his importance and that of the Lucerni going forward.
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Post by phoray on May 15, 2023 0:27:15 GMT
I bought the first issue of "The Missing", read it, and ended it feeling angry. Varric is the Viscount. Solas knows Varric. Literally anyone other than Varric could do this, so I could not swallow the big line about how it had to be him. I was busy anyway, so I figured, when my mind cooled down, and all the issues were out, maybe I'd pick it up again. But all the spoilers I read through, it all sounds stupid (except the arlathan thing sounded cute/funny). IT sounds very easy to skip and that absolutely nothing about it will contribute to my understanding of DA:D.
Now that I think of it, the only comics I ever really liked about Dragon Age were the ones about already beloved characters going on another adventure. But Varric has so worn out his welcome there are holes in the carpet.
Spring 2024 then?
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