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Post by smilesja on Dec 4, 2022 16:57:06 GMT
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Post by smilesja on Dec 4, 2022 17:08:21 GMT
Could this be leggy?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 4, 2022 18:13:00 GMT
Do you mean the lady on the roof? Quite possibly. However, the picture doesn't go with the story, so leggy is not involved in that.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 4, 2022 18:15:57 GMT
Do you mean the lady on the roof? Quite possibly. However, the picture doesn't go with the story, so leggy is not involved in that. Yeah, the two in the story were definitely older Crows.
Worth noting though, just in case they show up in DA:D...
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 4, 2022 18:18:57 GMT
Well, well, to the Antaam really did invade Antiva. A big mistake, to my mind, since that means they have broken the Llomerryn Accord and that means all the southern nations will now come in on the side of Tevinter, whatever the leadership in Par Vollen might try to maintain.
Also, the chances that we will spend some time in Antiva would seem to have substantially increased.
Interesting that the story was set in Treviso as that is in the northern half of Antiva but over on the coast, so it hardly seems likely they have crossed over from Tevinter but more likely invaded from coast in the north on the border between Antiva and Rivain.
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Post by necrowaif on Dec 4, 2022 19:06:32 GMT
So the Qunari invaded Treviso. Well, we knew they were coming. Doesn’t sound like they’ve gotten much farther, though.
I kind of wish that the Qunari spoke a bit more Qunlat to his men, but I recognize it is for the sake of legibility.
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Post by LonerAngel on Dec 4, 2022 19:10:19 GMT
Wow, things are getting very exciting. I wonder if we're going to have to choose which cities to try and save? Sure would make a cool origin for our characters, that is, if origins were an actual thing in the game.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 4, 2022 20:23:44 GMT
So another story which focusses on the Crows? They are really selling the Crows and, well, marketing and setting them up. Of course the Wardens don't need any introduction, nor does the Inquisition, and its possible they don't want to put too much attention to the Lords of Fortune for...reasons...yet the Crows are probably the faction that has been with us from the beginning but we haven't really learned much about them...and what we do know about them comes from very biased, very anti sources, until TVN. What this means for Dreadwolf, well, at the very least they are going to be a major faction for us in Antiva...other then that speculation, speculation. Perhaps surprisingly though the biggest thoughts I've had on this story is from a gameplay perspective, this has happened before, but continuing to look at all of this as some sort of soft core marketing. And this short story gives off a lot of Assassin's Creed vibes. Like a lot. Obvious in the assassination, the parcour, and the hunting down specific targets, as well as Assassins= Freedom Fighters, but this particular assassination seemed very in depth and layered which harkens to what I've heard from AC pre Odyssey and also what they may try and bring back with Mirage. As a fan of Assassins and Rogues in general this does provide me with some intrigue and I wonder how much of this will show up in game, though much like with Mirage I am worried about me sucking at such things so I hope the game is a bit more...forgiving. Nevertheless the big problem with this idea though is I can see parcour for rogues and themes of assassination and espionage are all very rogueish activities but it does not work as well for warriors. Leiliana and Sera could probably run across roof tops and jump from perch to perch...could you see Blackwall do it? Allistair? Iron Bull? On the one hand this could indicate a way more liberal way of approaching quests for the warriors or a more of a blurring of the lines between the two classes. Or maybe all this stuff will stay in the short stories only. One complaint: The Qunari saying the world is next seems a little muhahaha for them.
Sure I think the Qunari are pure evil and the second biggest threat to Thedas but once again the problem with such muhahaha writing is they don't see themselves that way. They see themselves as a purifying, stabilizing, ordering force. Conquerors yes, but conquerors with a manifest destiny to enligten all the bas.
On the flip side there is another line later that might justify this. The Antaam might be insane. This has been hinted as there being some schism within the Qunari before but 'the Lash' mentions that 'soon I will be bigger'. Well this makes me think of Red Lyrium so if the Antaam has been corrupted by Red Lyrium soon that pretty much explains all the inconsistencies.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2022 21:37:03 GMT
Well, well, to the Antaam really did invade Antiva. A big mistake, to my mind, since that means they have broken the Llomerryn Accord and that means all the southern nations will now come in on the side of Tevinter, whatever the leadership in Par Vollen might try to maintain.
Also, the chances that we will spend some time in Antiva would seem to have substantially increased.
Interesting that the story was set in Treviso as that is in the northern half of Antiva but over on the coast, so it hardly seems likely they have crossed over from Tevinter but more likely invaded from coast in the north on the border between Antiva and Rivain. Yeah. Sure goes against what was set up at the end of Trespasser. Especially ones where in base game you had an alliance with them. Just a giant middle finger towards those players from Patrick I guess. Unfortunately it seems so. And not even seeing it in all its glory but all war torn. As I said in the Twitter thread, feels like Thessia in ME3 all over again and I hate it. And with all this focus, no doubt they’ll write Antiva off as explored so not included in future games meaning we’ll never see it. Unless at this point all of Antiva is already conquered, the only fighting left being resistance movements like the Crows.
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Post by necrowaif on Dec 4, 2022 21:45:11 GMT
The Qunari saying the world is next seems a little muhahaha for them. Yeah, they seems to be carrying on the trend of sadistic Qunari commanders who bully their men that was started in “Three Trees to Midnight,” which doesn’t strike me as very Qunari. On top of the magic bullhorn where the local warlord doles out proclamations, it kind of feels like BioWare wants to make a Far Cry game. In spite of these gripes, I will note that it was a well-written story.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 4, 2022 21:51:46 GMT
And with all this focus, no doubt they’ll write Antiva off as explored so not included in future games meaning we’ll never see it. Unfortunately this fear isn´t far-fetched. I mean will we ever see Val Royeaux again in all in its beauty? Not impossible but (highly?) unlikely. Oh no i haven´t thought about this. So the legendary Antivian crows aka Assassins are now just lame freedom fighters?
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Post by colfoley on Dec 4, 2022 23:26:14 GMT
The Qunari saying the world is next seems a little muhahaha for them. Yeah, they seems to be carrying on the trend of sadistic Qunari commanders who bully their men that was started in “Three Trees to Midnight,” which doesn’t strike me as very Qunari. On top of the magic bullhorn where the local warlord doles out proclamations, it kind of feels like BioWare wants to make a Far Cry game. In spite of these gripes, I will note that it was a well-written story. IDK I think that could easily fit in with the Qunari...I'm trying to figure out how to put what I'm trying to say. Basically I'm not sure if 'superiors being dicks to their subordinates' is a Qun thing but it strikes me given what we know about the race it probably is something they'd do. The problem with the Qunari is we really haven't seen that much of their day to day activities to really make a judgement call on how they'd behave in general, so that means a lot of stuff does go. And it struck me since I am watching someone play Origins for the first time and Sten's backstory...sometimes the Qunari strike me as being of the same vein as Vulcans. Instead of logic though they got the words relayed to them by Koslun. Because they are pretty universally a violent people. All the Qunari we've seen outside the Qun has been violent and the second that Sten loses his weapon, his crutch, his rules, he violently slaughters an entire family. And then on top of that even with their rules don't prevent them from being a very violent conquest laiden race that is threatening Thedas. Long winded explanation of saying I don't think it would be impossible for the Qunari to be dicks to their people. The Farcry idea gave me a chuckle though.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 4, 2022 23:40:18 GMT
So this is officially war, they've broken the Llomerryn Accords, so hopefully, the rest of Thedas will retaliate against this invasion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2022 23:42:20 GMT
So this is officially war, they've broken the Llomerryn Accords, so hopefully, the rest of Thedas will retaliate against this invasion. Probably exactly what Solas wants, since that leaves all nations too distracted to focus on his activities. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is manipulating the Antaam somehow.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 4, 2022 23:43:42 GMT
So this is officially war, they've broken the Llomerryn Accords, so hopefully, the rest of Thedas will retaliate against this invasion. Probably exactly what Solas wants, since that leaves all nations too distracted to focus on his activities. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is manipulating the Antaam somehow. That is another explanation for the odd behavior.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 4, 2022 23:59:13 GMT
Interesting that the story was set in Treviso as that is in the northern half of Antiva but over on the coast, so it hardly seems likely they have crossed over from Tevinter but more likely invaded from coast in the north on the border between Antiva and Rivain. So just east of the arlathan forest, probably taking Brynnlaw the closest antivan city to that forest on the way? Perhaps surrounding Arlathan was what was so important that it was worth breaking the Llomeryn accords before Tevinter was fully conquered? Edit: y'know since they already took the closest Tevinter city to arlathan forest.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 5, 2022 0:01:41 GMT
Interesting that the story was set in Treviso as that is in the northern half of Antiva but over on the coast, so it hardly seems likely they have crossed over from Tevinter but more likely invaded from coast in the north on the border between Antiva and Rivain. So just east of the arlathan forest, probably taking Brynnlaw the closest antivan city to that forest on the way? Perhaps surrounding Arlathan was what was so important that it was worth breaking the Llomeryn accords before Tevinter was fully conquered? Edit: y'know since they already took the closest Tevinter city to arlathan forest. This short story does bring to mind that maybe Tevinter has already been conquered at this point? Doubtful given the other plotlines that they seem to want to set up in Tevinter but from a tactical standpoint it does make some sense.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 5, 2022 0:04:14 GMT
So just east of the arlathan forest, probably taking Brynnlaw the closest antivan city to that forest on the way? Perhaps surrounding Arlathan was what was so important that it was worth breaking the Llomeryn accords before Tevinter was fully conquered? Edit: y'know since they already took the closest Tevinter city to arlathan forest. This short story does bring to mind that maybe Tevinter has already been conquered at this point? Doubtful given the other plotlines that they seem to want to set up in Tevinter but from a tactical standpoint it does make some sense. They've said they're excited to show us Minrathous so i figure that that city atleast is not yet conquered.
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Post by phoray on Dec 5, 2022 1:35:50 GMT
As Antivan Crow as that ending is, which makes me smile... it still makes me grumpy. Why would the Crows, wanting to show who owned Antiva, wait for contracts to be drawn up? What is the purpose of a Qun Occupation if it isn't to force convert the very population that surrounds them ? Why would Southern Thedas sit there and watch the Qun occupy Antiva, a clear break of the Llomerryn Accords, and not think it's time to rally? Especially since as of comics, it seems like Tevinter is losing ground fast. Why have the qunari military leaders devolved into minor warlords? Why would the Qun even allow the sort of soldiers that lack any control of their chaos, practically Tal Vashoth in their violent intensity, even willing to beat, flog, and flay their own fellows? These sorts of people had to haven been allowed to exist before being sent out into the field.
Ya, I know it's not my story, not my Qun, but this all just seems so out of character. I actually used to be fearful of a Qunari invasion, the mere idea intimidating, but this a fractured violent mess easily mopped up as soon as people get their heads out of their asses and actually organize a force against them. As I think more on it, it's possible they're Tal Vashoth without realizing it. The priesthood haven't officially sanctioned this war, as there is some sort of schism. There is no logic/purity of their religion to rein them in. As as they slowly lose themselves, things that would have been immediately questioned seem tame comparatively to the chaos all around them.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 5, 2022 1:57:19 GMT
As Antivan Crow as that ending is, which makes me smile... it still makes me grumpy. Why would the Crows, wanting to show who owned Antiva, wait for contracts to be drawn up? What is the purpose of a Qun Occupation if it isn't to force convert the very population that surrounds them ? Why would Southern Thedas sit there and watch the Qun occupy Antiva, a clear break of the tLlomerryn Accords, and not think it's time to rally? Especially since as of comics, it seems like Tevinter is losing ground fast. Why have the qunari military leaders devolved into minor warlords? Why would the Qun even allow the sort of soldiers that lack any control of their chaos, practically Tal Vashoth in their violent intensity, even willing to beat, flog, and flay their own fellows? These sorts of people had to haven been allowed to exist before being sent out into the field. Ya, I know it's not my story, not my Qun, but this all just seems so out of character. I actually used to be fearful of a Qunari invasion, the mere idea intimidating, but this a fractured violent mess easily mopped up as soon as people get their heads out of their asses and actually organize a force against them. 1. They are Assassins, that is what Assassins do. Someone somewhere would have to draw up a contract on someone and the Crows will accept it and then kill the target, as well as anyone else out there. Remember despite being apparently Antiva's only military they are still a private, mercenary, organization. Power brokers, merchants, and the rulers of Antiva will have a vested interest in stopping them so they won't hurt for said contracts but they must make their money somehow considering they can't rely on taxes. 2. Where do you get them not converting people from this one short story? I see the implication of plenty of conversion going on and most of the other short stories and the stuff in TVN still shows the main objective of this invasion is conversion/ conquest. Indeed I'd be shocked if the Antaam has any other motivation since only the Ben-Hasrath seem to be interested in Solas. 3. Who says they are? We are only dealing from the perspective of one very focused short story where we don't even really know the timeline. So we don't know if the Southern forces aren't preparing a counter attack to liberate Antiva and nor do we know if they have actually launched said invasion. Though BioWare might keep the Orlesian and Ferelden militaries in the South, for various in world reasons, in order to avoid any connections with the previous three games. This is the 'north's' problem to solve. 4. Why wouldn't they? Minor warlords I took to mean the same thing as generals or military governors. And the Qunari do have various roles already assigned for such things in the first place. It will be curious to see but I doubt the Qunari Antaam is that fractured. We've seen no evidence. 5. Now this could be some evidence of some outside influence and corruption but I'm not the least bit surprised by the Qunari behavior. See my response to Necro for further detail but the Qunari have always been a violent, controlling people. Hell they cut the tongues out of their own mages and lobotomize unbelievers you want me to believe that beating their own soldiers to keep them in line is OOC? Especially if they don't have Ben Hasrath to help reducate dissenters? I'm just the opposte. The more this goes on the more terrified. I am getting in the Qun. While it has taken them awhile to do so, as such is the nature of Medieval warfare, they have already struck out and probably conquered a significant amount of Tevinter as well as they now have a known foothold in Antiva. Given how far they have penetrated I don't think its unreasonable to wonder how much of Tevinter is still free, what of Rivain, what of the Anderfels, and how much of Antiva will also be conquered by the time we get to things in DAD. Even with a united front this is already quite a military situation that we're going to have to reverse so I don't imagine it will be easy...and lends more thought to my original theory on the matter I don't think the Qunari situation will be resolved by the end of the base game of DAD.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 5, 2022 2:20:44 GMT
Perhaps surprisingly though the biggest thoughts I've had on this story is from a gameplay perspective, this has happened before, but continuing to look at all of this as some sort of soft core marketing. And this short story gives off a lot of Assassin's Creed vibes. Like a lot. Obvious in the assassination, the parcour, and the hunting down specific targets, as well as Assassins= Freedom Fighters, but this particular assassination seemed very in depth and layered which harkens to what I've heard from AC pre Odyssey and also what they may try and bring back with Mirage. I was definitely feelin' the AC vibes as well, right down to the ziplines. It's supposed to be a more action-oriented game, so I can imagine them going down this direction. This is definitely my jam, so I'm all for it if they do.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 5, 2022 2:21:56 GMT
Perhaps surprisingly though the biggest thoughts I've had on this story is from a gameplay perspective, this has happened before, but continuing to look at all of this as some sort of soft core marketing. And this short story gives off a lot of Assassin's Creed vibes. Like a lot. Obvious in the assassination, the parcour, and the hunting down specific targets, as well as Assassins= Freedom Fighters, but this particular assassination seemed very in depth and layered which harkens to what I've heard from AC pre Odyssey and also what they may try and bring back with Mirage. I was definitely feelin' the AC vibes as well, right down to the ziplines. It's supposed to be a more action-oriented game, so I can imagine them going down this direction. This is definitely my jam, so I'm all for it if they do. I don't think I noticed the ziplines.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 5, 2022 2:29:29 GMT
This story reminds me a little of this concept art...
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Post by phoray on Dec 5, 2022 2:35:48 GMT
colfoleyI'm no more intimidated and frightened by the warlords ravaging Tevinter and Antiva than I was by Immortan Joe and his henchmen from Mad Max: Fury Road. Lack of organization matters when it comes to war, and their very minds seem to be coming apart at the seams. What they seem to be doing is making a lot of initial momentum due to Tevinter being so corrupt they're literally frozen in uncertainty for lack of real leadership. And taking one Antivan city on the coast, a nation with no army, is hardly a masterful feat.
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