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Post by colfoley on Dec 5, 2022 2:52:06 GMT
colfoley I'm no more intimidated and frightened by the warlords ravaging Tevinter and Antiva than I was by Immortan Joe and his henchmen from Mad Max: Fury Road. Lack of organization matters when it comes to war, and their very minds seem to be coming apart at the seams. What they seem to be doing is making a lot of initial momentum due to Tevinter being so corrupt they're literally frozen in uncertainty for lack of real leadership. And taking one Antivan city on the coast, a nation with no army, is hardly a masterful feat. Between the Ben hasrath the Antaam and the rest of the Qun there does not seem to be a lot of organization, which may be what helps us defeat them... But given they have been able to keep this invasion up for at least eight years and have been able to threaten so much of Thedas in that time points to the Antaam themselves being organized. Even their initial invasion being a surprise could probably point in that direction to. And while Tevinter is corrupt and was caught off guard in the initial strike they are also one of the most powerful nations in Thedas from a military standpoint who are also the only other nations to actively employ mages which are the only real counter to the Qunari and their abilities. And while it may just be one Antivan city and while Antiva may not have a military the Qunari invading them may either mean that they have conquered enough of Tevinter to feel confident in said invasion's success or that they just feel bold enough to make the attempt anyways. Either way it makes the Qunari dangerous.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 10:19:32 GMT
The Qunari saying the world is next seems a little muhahaha for them. Sure I think the Qunari are pure evil and the second biggest threat to Thedas but once again the problem with such muhahaha writing is they don't see themselves that way. They see themselves as a purifying, stabilizing, ordering force. Conquerors yes, but conquerors with a manifest destiny to enligten all the bas. On the flip side there is another line later that might justify this. The Antaam might be insane. This has been hinted as there being some schism within the Qunari before but 'the Lash' mentions that 'soon I will be bigger'. Well this makes me think of Red Lyrium so if the Antaam has been corrupted by Red Lyrium soon that pretty much explains all the inconsistencies. I've always thought the Antaam going rogue seemed a bit off. I am sure there is going to be more to it than we've been told. Red lyrium would make a lot of sense. Alternatively, someone controlling them in some other way. A lot comes down to whether Arishok/Sten is in control or not. He has always seemed pretty levelheaded, although he did panic when he lost his sword and struck out blindly against the family who had rescued him, so the potential is there for him to be manipulated. Maybe freeing him from his "compulsion", restoring order to the Antaam, will be one of the main plot threads.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 10:26:29 GMT
Probably exactly what Solas wants, since that leaves all nations too distracted to focus on his activities. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is manipulating the Antaam somehow. See my above "spoilered" comment. An agent of Solas was trying to escalate the war between Tevinter and the Qun, so it wouldn't be surprising if he was pulling the strings in some way. After all, the Antaam attacking the Tevinter mainland immediately followed on from him foiling their plot in the south, so maybe that was his main aim all the time and helping the south was just what he wanted us to believe. The Qun are terrified of the Fade and it may be that they have good reason for this beyond just regular demons. The Dalish Keepers speak of Fen'Harel stalking the Fade, so they at least have encountered him there. Perhaps the Qunari have had nightmares in the past of the Dread Wolf.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 10:51:49 GMT
Ya, I know it's not my story, not my Qun, but this all just seems so out of character. I actually used to be fearful of a Qunari invasion, the mere idea intimidating, but this a fractured violent mess easily mopped up as soon as people get their heads out of their asses and actually organize a force against them. As I think more on it, it's possible they're Tal Vashoth without realizing it. The priesthood haven't officially sanctioned this war, as there is some sort of schism. There is no logic/purity of their religion to rein them in. As as they slowly lose themselves, things that would have been immediately questioned seem tame comparatively to the chaos all around them. I've thought the whole idea of a schism in the Qun was odd from reading of it in Tevinter Nights. To my mind, there has to be something behind it. Is Arishok Sten dead? Was he assassinated and the Antaam went rogue whilst waiting for the priesthood to appoint a replacement? Is he alive but being controlled in some way by a force or person yet unknown to us (or even Solas)? You are correct. The Qun were terrifying because of their focus and discipline. Their armies were successful because they were well organised and supplied, whilst the enemies were often hamstrung by infighting. This is what we were led to believe happened at the end of Trespasser. There was no suggestion there that the Antaam were out of control but had just resumed their ongoing war with Tevinter. However, I am mindful that they may only have a veneer of civility and the barbarity is there just under the surface, which is why Tal'Vashoth tend towards brutality once the control is removed. Think back to the Arishok in DA2. When he finally cracked, he was terrifying, and his troops were brutal towards the citizens of Kirkwall. Remember them dragging that woman through the streets as though she was a sack? They rounded up the nobility and killed anyone who showed the slightest degree of even verbal resistance. Clearly, the Arishok was not bothered that he had broken the Llomerryn Accords without authorisation from Par Vollen. So, perhaps we have misunderstood the psyche of the Qun, at least among the Antaam.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 11:08:32 GMT
But given they have been able to keep this invasion up for at least eight years and have been able to threaten so much of Thedas in that time points to the Antaam themselves being organized. I would say that points more to Tevinter, or more correctly the current Magisterium, being an absolute incompetent bunch of idiots. As Dorian says to us, Tevinter were proud of the fact that they had managed to recover what they had lost on the mainland and hold the Qun at bay all these years, without the assistance of the southern nations. Last time, the Antaam tried a major assault, the year after Dorian was born, whilst initially they made gains because of the element of surprise, the Magisterium quickly managed to order a counter offensive that resulted in ignoble defeat for the Arishok of that time and his subsequent demotion. It was seeing this firsthand that made a young Sten declare they could only succeed with better intelligence. That would involve the Ben'Hassrath and it is clear that their activities did increase subsequently and could account for some of the ease of their success. However, Tevinter were also aware of this danger and had their own counterintelligence, so there must have been a big failure somewhere along the line for the Qun to have made such inroads with hardly any pushback from other side. As for the rest of Thedas. According to the epilogue of Trespasser, if you allied with the Qun, then Par Vollen were making friendly overtures towards the Divine in order to at least keep the south out of the war but even come in on their side. This being the case, breaking the Llomerryn Accord would make no sense unless the Antaam wanted the Divine to order an Exalted March against them and ally with Tevinter. In any case, what benefit do the Antaam think they get from fighting on two fronts? Splitting their forces in that way would surely weaken their offensive, unless they do now have the backing of Par Vollen. That is what puzzles me.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 11:19:27 GMT
So just east of the arlathan forest, probably taking Brynnlaw the closest antivan city to that forest on the way? Perhaps surrounding Arlathan was what was so important that it was worth breaking the Llomeryn accords before Tevinter was fully conquered? Edit: y'know since they already took the closest Tevinter city to arlathan forest. This could be a valid explanation for their actions. Rasaan was searching southern Tevinter for information on Solas. They know there is a threat of elven magic from the forest and that this might be the logical place to look either for him or information about him. I suppose it is also possible that the push further south into Antiva might be related to the Silent Grove, which I think is located in the Weyrs and we know is connected with Mythal, thus indirectly to Solas. Charter said that the Ben'Hassrath know more about Solas' movements than anyone, plus they know he is a threat, so logically they are going to focus on stopping him by any means necessary, even at the risk of an Exalted March.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 5, 2022 14:59:18 GMT
So just east of the arlathan forest, probably taking Brynnlaw the closest antivan city to that forest on the way? Perhaps surrounding Arlathan was what was so important that it was worth breaking the Llomeryn accords before Tevinter was fully conquered? Edit: y'know since they already took the closest Tevinter city to arlathan forest. This could be a valid explanation for their actions. Rasaan was searching southern Tevinter for information on Solas. They know there is a threat of elven magic from the forest and that this might be the logical place to look either for him or information about him. I suppose it is also possible that the push further south into Antiva might be related to the Silent Grove, which I think is located in the Weyrs and we know is connected with Mythal, thus indirectly to Solas. Charter said that the Ben'Hassrath know more about Solas' movements than anyone, plus they know he is a threat, so logically they are going to focus on stopping him by any means necessary, even at the risk of an Exalted March. Its also possible they attacked Treviso by sea and then moved north to Brynnlaw so they don’t have to thread supply lines around the edges of the Arlathan forest. I’m warming up to the idea that surrounding the forest is the actual purpose behind this whole invasion.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 15:44:02 GMT
I’m warming up to the idea that surrounding the forest is the actual purpose behind this whole invasion. Surrounding the forest may be one part of it but they didn't stop at Qarinus and headed down the east side of the Nocen Sea. There could be a two-fold reason for this. Firstly, the Venatori seem to have their greatest concentration of adherents in the south, particularly around Vyrantium, whilst the old fortress of Danarius was near Neromenian and also seemed connected to the Venatori, which connected up with Qarinus. We know the Qunari were really worried about red lyrium being utilised against them, so hitting hard against cities where they know there are Venatori sympathises would make sense. It will be interesting to see if they continued onwards after Vyrantium (assuming that they have taken the city by the start of the game). Secondly, there is Rasaan's quest for information on Solas. She was down in the Silent Plains and clearly had enough of the Antaam with her to deal with most eventualities, Genetivi and Co notwithstanding. She referred to them as her Antaam. Does this mean they are a different group from the main force or simply a small force from it that she commandeered for her own use? As second to the Ariqun, was she acting under orders from Par Vollen or on her own initiative? Anyway, I think the Antaam could be ensuring that areas they are particularly interested in are under their control. Hence me wondering if they would stop at Treviso or continue on down to the Weyrs. Back in the Steel Age, Yavana broke the Qunari seige of Seleny with her dragons. Assuming the Alistair did succeed in killing her, I wonder if a replacement daughter has taken up residence in the Silent Grove and may be moved to similarly help in the current war? Then again, that could account for any Qunari movement further south in Antiva, because they remember what happened in the past.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 5, 2022 16:08:31 GMT
Interesting that the story was set in Treviso as that is in the northern half of Antiva but over on the coast, so it hardly seems likely they have crossed over from Tevinter but more likely invaded from coast in the north on the border between Antiva and Rivain. So just east of the arlathan forest, probably taking Brynnlaw the closest antivan city to that forest on the way? Perhaps surrounding Arlathan was what was so important that it was worth breaking the Llomeryn accords before Tevinter was fully conquered? Edit: y'know since they already took the closest Tevinter city to arlathan forest. This makes me think that the way the major plots are going to be split will be something like: • Qunari invasion plot in Tevinter and Antiva with the Lucerni, Venatori and the Crows • Blight plot in Nevarra and The Anderfels with the Mortalitassi, Wardens and maybe Executors • Converging in the Arlathan forest with Solas, the weird Dalish clan from Three Trees to Midnight and maybe the elven gods Or I'm reading too much into it. I gotta say, spreading the story over 4 countries will either be underwhelming, a la Val Royeaux, or overwhelming, because you'd get 4 countries worth of developing content thrown at you, and I'm afraid a good part of it will feel like fluff.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 5, 2022 16:12:12 GMT
I’m warming up to the idea that surrounding the forest is the actual purpose behind this whole invasion. Surrounding the forest may be one part of it but they didn't stop at Qarinus and headed down the east side of the Nocen Sea. There could be a two-fold reason for this. Firstly, the Venatori seem to have their greatest concentration of adherents in the south, particularly around Vyrantium, whilst the old fortress of Danarius was near Neromenian and also seemed connected to the Venatori, which connected up with Qarinus. We know the Qunari were really worried about red lyrium being utilised against them, so hitting hard against cities where they know there are Venatori sympathises would make sense. It will be interesting to see if they continued onwards after Vyrantium (assuming that they have taken the city by the start of the game). Secondly, there is Rasaan's quest for information on Solas. She was down in the Silent Plains and clearly had enough of the Antaam with her to deal with most eventualities, Genetivi and Co notwithstanding. She referred to them as her Antaam. Does this mean they are a different group from the main force or simply a small force from it that she commandeered for her own use? As second to the Ariqun, was she acting under orders from Par Vollen or on her own initiative? Anyway, I think the Antaam could be ensuring that areas they are particularly interested in are under their control. Hence me wondering if they would stop at Treviso or continue on down to the Weyrs. Back in the Steel Age, Yavana broke the Qunari seige of Seleny with her dragons. Assuming the Alistair did succeed in killing her, I wonder if a replacement daughter has taken up residence in the Silent Grove and may be moved to similarly help in the current war? Then again, that could account for any Qunari movement further south in Antiva, because they remember what happened in the past. I think it all kind of feeds back into dealing with whatever threat the Qunari seem to believe is centered around the Arlathan forest and preventing interference. Taking Treviso allows them to supply and send soldiers to the north to surround the forest from the east/south. That doesn’t rule out further operations to the south if they want to head off any interference with their operation. Continuing to invade Tevinter allows them to keep the magisters on the back foot and make it harder for them to rally resistance. In terms of learning from the past, the Qunari may remember the last time they invaded in 9:12 Dragon when the magisters were able overcome them once they recovered from the shock of the initial invasion. Their interference with the Crows was similarly an effort to limit resistance in Antiva.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 5, 2022 16:27:17 GMT
As Antivan Crow as that ending is, which makes me smile... it still makes me grumpy. Why would the Crows, wanting to show who owned Antiva, wait for contracts to be drawn up? What is the purpose of a Qun Occupation if it isn't to force convert the very population that surrounds them ? Why would Southern Thedas sit there and watch the Qun occupy Antiva, a clear break of the Llomerryn Accords, and not think it's time to rally? Especially since as of comics, it seems like Tevinter is losing ground fast. Why have the qunari military leaders devolved into minor warlords? Why would the Qun even allow the sort of soldiers that lack any control of their chaos, practically Tal Vashoth in their violent intensity, even willing to beat, flog, and flay their own fellows? These sorts of people had to haven been allowed to exist before being sent out into the field. Ya, I know it's not my story, not my Qun, but this all just seems so out of character. I actually used to be fearful of a Qunari invasion, the mere idea intimidating, but this a fractured violent mess easily mopped up as soon as people get their heads out of their asses and actually organize a force against them. As I think more on it, it's possible they're Tal Vashoth without realizing it. The priesthood haven't officially sanctioned this war, as there is some sort of schism. There is no logic/purity of their religion to rein them in. As as they slowly lose themselves, things that would have been immediately questioned seem tame comparatively to the chaos all around them. Regarding the contracts, I take it more as the Crows need them for intelligence, rather than them not doing anything unless they're paid, especially with their own country getting invaded. They probably don't have the direct access or ways of gathering intelligence on the entire Antaam in such minutiae that they know exactly who to target kill in order to effectively cripple the Antaam themselves, so they rely on contracts because the ones writing them up do have that intelligence. As for the savagery of the leaders, I get it. I can buy that some of them aren't ready for this level of military action, Iron Bull himself is an example that it's easy to go berserk under enough strain, but first with with Bastaar and now the Lash, I feel they may try to portray all the Antaam leaders like this. I'd like to see a story where the Antaam leader, not a Ben-Hassrath, is that type of focused, controlled and unwavering general, the type of commander who led the Qunari to conquer almost half of Thedas the first time. Cruelty without bounds is effective only in the short term but it doesn't win wars, as we see in this story with the next in line to take over after the Lash just orders his men to leave him to his death. I don't imagine that the first Qunari invasion was riddled with Bastaar's and Lash's.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 5, 2022 17:51:52 GMT
Secondly, there is Rasaan's quest for information on Solas. She was down in the Silent Plains and clearly had enough of the Antaam with her to deal with most eventualities, Genetivi and Co notwithstanding. She referred to them as her Antaam. Does this mean they are a different group from the main force or simply a small force from it that she commandeered for her own use? As second to the Ariqun, was she acting under orders from Par Vollen or on her own initiative? In the story, we learn she didn't have permission, which makes me think Rasaan could be our qunari companion in DA:D.
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Post by Silvery on Dec 5, 2022 18:21:43 GMT
Wonder if this would have an impact on us going to Antiva at some point and/or increasing the odds of Zevran and/or Josie showing up in DA:D? I feel like a solid portion of the game will take place in Tevinter but at times we will have a main quest diversion to have to go to the say Antiva or the Anderfels or Rivain or etc. in order to do something. Would allow Minrathous to be fleshed out while being able to see the other countries in the north we have only heard about but also not seen.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 18:38:22 GMT
In the story, we learn she didn't have permission, which makes me think Rasaan could be our qunari companion in DA:D. I'm a bit skeptical about that. It's probably more she's been instructed to allow for "plausible deniability" by the leadership back in Par Vollen. Still, if she has gone rogue, that would indeed pave the way for her to be a companion, which I'm really hoping for. She would have the up-to-date intel on Solas from the Qunari perspective and know far more about the history of her race than even the Arishok would be party to. So, I would anticipate lots of interesting conversations.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 18:54:46 GMT
I'd like to see a story where the Antaam leader, not a Ben-Hassrath, is that type of focused, controlled and unwavering general, the type of commander who led the Qunari to conquer almost half of Thedas the first time. Cruelty without bounds is effective only in the short term but it doesn't win wars, as we see in this story with the next in line to take over after the Lash just orders his men to leave him to his death. I don't imagine that the first Qunari invasion was riddled with Bastaar's and Lash's. The thing is that according to the narrative they were pushing in Tevinter Nights, the reason they are behaving differently this time round is that they don't have the priesthood on hand to keep them in check. I suppose this could be plausible. In DAO Sten went crazy when he panicked on discovering the loss of his sword, before recovering his composure after murdering the family. In DA2 the Arishok finally blew a fuse when he had to cope without Rasaan to advise him. Presumably he went on the mission without her because it was thought to be a simple collection and delivery. Then apparently those back in Par Vollen couldn't send her or anyone else to advise him without his specific request. So, the hierarchy of the Qun does leave some problems when things don't go according to plan. The Qun were being pretty brutal towards the citizens of Kirkwall during that engagement. So, it is hard to know what might be typical behaviour by members of the Antaam towards the civilian population when not under the direction of the priesthood. However, we do know that many Tal-Vashoth turn savage after making their escape, which is why Bull so hated the idea of being one. However, he was from the Ben'Hassrath, so had already been assessed as being more than the average muscle required for the Antaam. Sten was also considered unusual among his fellow junior officers by the Tevinter spies because he had subtlety of thinking. Maybe most members of the Antaam, even senior officers, are just full of repressed savagery.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 5, 2022 19:24:28 GMT
I'd like to see a story where the Antaam leader, not a Ben-Hassrath, is that type of focused, controlled and unwavering general, the type of commander who led the Qunari to conquer almost half of Thedas the first time. Cruelty without bounds is effective only in the short term but it doesn't win wars, as we see in this story with the next in line to take over after the Lash just orders his men to leave him to his death. I don't imagine that the first Qunari invasion was riddled with Bastaar's and Lash's. The thing is that according to the narrative they were pushing in Tevinter Nights, the reason they are behaving differently this time round is that they don't have the priesthood on hand to keep them in check. I suppose this could be plausible. In DAO Sten went crazy when he panicked on discovering the loss of his sword, before recovering his composure after murdering the family. In DA2 the Arishok finally blew a fuse when he had to cope without Rasaan to advise him. Presumably he went on the mission without her because it was thought to be a simple collection and delivery. Then apparently those back in Par Vollen couldn't send her or anyone else to advise him without his specific request. So, the hierarchy of the Qun does leave some problems when things don't go according to plan. The Qun were being pretty brutal towards the citizens of Kirkwall during that engagement. So, it is hard to know what might be typical behaviour by members of the Antaam towards the civilian population when not under the direction of the priesthood. However, we do know that many Tal-Vashoth turn savage after making their escape, which is why Bull so hated the idea of being one. However, he was from the Ben'Hassrath, so had already been assessed as being more than the average muscle required for the Antaam. Sten was also considered unusual among his fellow junior officers by the Tevinter spies because he had subtlety of thinking. Maybe most members of the Antaam, even senior officers, are just full of repressed savagery. Supposedly Iron Bull was selected to be a spy rather than a soldier because his Tamassran saw that he would follow the letter of directions but not the spirit necessarily, whereas soldiers required obedience to letter and spirit of the order. That gives us some idea of what the Qunari look for in soldiers. For the purposes of this discussion, I think we should note it doesn’t indicate thoughtfulness as a desired trait. Soldiers are supposed to follow orders. It’s certainly possible that they are only restrained from brutality by those orders being advised by the priesthood.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 5, 2022 21:11:50 GMT
I'd like to see a story where the Antaam leader, not a Ben-Hassrath, is that type of focused, controlled and unwavering general, the type of commander who led the Qunari to conquer almost half of Thedas the first time. Cruelty without bounds is effective only in the short term but it doesn't win wars, as we see in this story with the next in line to take over after the Lash just orders his men to leave him to his death. I don't imagine that the first Qunari invasion was riddled with Bastaar's and Lash's. The thing is that according to the narrative they were pushing in Tevinter Nights, the reason they are behaving differently this time round is that they don't have the priesthood on hand to keep them in check. I suppose this could be plausible. In DAO Sten went crazy when he panicked on discovering the loss of his sword, before recovering his composure after murdering the family. In DA2 the Arishok finally blew a fuse when he had to cope without Rasaan to advise him. Presumably he went on the mission without her because it was thought to be a simple collection and delivery. Then apparently those back in Par Vollen couldn't send her or anyone else to advise him without his specific request. So, the hierarchy of the Qun does leave some problems when things don't go according to plan. The Qun were being pretty brutal towards the citizens of Kirkwall during that engagement. So, it is hard to know what might be typical behaviour by members of the Antaam towards the civilian population when not under the direction of the priesthood. However, we do know that many Tal-Vashoth turn savage after making their escape, which is why Bull so hated the idea of being one. However, he was from the Ben'Hassrath, so had already been assessed as being more than the average muscle required for the Antaam. Sten was also considered unusual among his fellow junior officers by the Tevinter spies because he had subtlety of thinking. Maybe most members of the Antaam, even senior officers, are just full of repressed savagery. See, the Arishok is the exact type of commander I'm talking about. He wasn't cruel to his subordinates and his subordinates weren't cruel to each other (not that we know of, at least). They were a single-minded, focused and terrifying small army that burned down most of Kirkwall in a single evening with no reinforcements and with half or more of their number having become Tal'Vashoth by that point, anyway. Of course they were savage towards their enemies, that's what they do as a conquering army, that's what they did during their initial conquest and all other subsequent ones. Since no priestesses were around to convert, the short term solution of getting Kirkwall to submit was to silence dissenters as soon as possible. That's what you do in that kind of situation if you want to conquer a city fast and with limited resources. The Arishok also didn't start killing everyone the moment he arrived in Kirkwall, he waited, watched, was patient. He steeped in the dregs of Kirkwall for years before he snapped because Kirkwall is Kirkwall. There are several points in the game where the Arishok indulges the solutions you bring to him instead of going on a murder spree at the drop of a hat. And with Sten, after that initial outburst, he is decidedly remorseful of what he'd done and does essentially what Iron Bull did. Had that happened to him in Seheron or Par Volen, he'd've given himself to be reeducated but, in absence of that, he let himself be captured and left to starve and be killed by darkspawn. Bringing him along in DAO, even if he still doesn't have his sword, he doesn't go on mindless murder sprees and he seems quite in control of himself whenever I talk to him. He pretty much always confronts the Warden's leadership ability and their choices, he doesn't seem to be in control of himself simply because the Warden is telling him what to do. Now, as you said, maybe the Arishok and Sten are the odd ones out and they're all filled with repressed savagery but they still need to have someone in charge who can keep them in check, otherwise it all goes pear shaped rather fast. I gotta say that isn't very interesting for a villain, nor is it threatening, in the long run they become a joke. Both Three Tree to Midnight and this new story have had a good amount of making the Qunari look like a joke and have the characters in the stories make jokes at their expense to drive that impression through. I want the Qunari to continue inspiring Borg levels of dread (when the Borg were also good, anyway).
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Post by phoray on Dec 5, 2022 22:11:15 GMT
I gotta say, spreading the story over 4 countries will either be underwhelming, a la Val Royeaux, or overwhelming, because you'd get 4 countries worth of developing content thrown at you, and I'm afraid a good part of it will feel like fluff......I want the Qunari to continue inspiring Borg levels of dread (when the Borg were also good, anyway). I am so ready to be overwhelmed. With 8 year gaps, I want it to last Also, yes, exactly my point. They're just "rawr, hulk smash, submit to the Qun!" With none of the same cold dread one would feel facing a borg cube.
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Post by bshep on Dec 5, 2022 22:28:18 GMT
Well, well, to the Antaam really did invade Antiva. A big mistake, to my mind, since that means they have broken the Llomerryn Accord and that means all the southern nations will now come in on the side of Tevinter, whatever the leadership in Par Vollen might try to maintain.
Also, the chances that we will spend some time in Antiva would seem to have substantially increased.
Interesting that the story was set in Treviso as that is in the northern half of Antiva but over on the coast, so it hardly seems likely they have crossed over from Tevinter but more likely invaded from coast in the north on the border between Antiva and Rivain. Guess the accord was just a way for them to gain time to reinforce their forces enough to start a full scale invasion of Thedas. As Trespasser showed, they never gave up on trying to conquer the whole continent.
Nice short story by the way.
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Post by githcheater on Dec 6, 2022 1:30:09 GMT
So just east of the arlathan forest, probably taking Brynnlaw the closest antivan city to that forest on the way? Perhaps surrounding Arlathan was what was so important that it was worth breaking the Llomeryn accords before Tevinter was fully conquered? Edit: y'know since they already took the closest Tevinter city to arlathan forest. This makes me think that the way the major plots are going to be split will be something like: • Qunari invasion plot in Tevinter and Antiva with the Lucerni, Venatori and the Crows • Blight plot in Nevarra and The Anderfels with the Mortalitassi, Wardens and maybe Executors • Converging in the Arlathan forest with Solas, the weird Dalish clan from Three Trees to Midnight and maybe the elven gods Or I'm reading too much into it. I gotta say, spreading the story over 4 countries will either be underwhelming, a la Val Royeaux, or overwhelming, because you'd get 4 countries worth of developing content thrown at you, and I'm afraid a good part of it will feel like fluff. Fluff = empty world aka DAI? Please Don't scare me.
So the pessimistic, sky is falling prediction is a release of DAI 2 in December 2024 with a marketing slogan of "Leave the Imperium"?
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Post by colfoley on Dec 6, 2022 6:02:08 GMT
I gotta say, spreading the story over 4 countries will either be underwhelming, a la Val Royeaux, or overwhelming, because you'd get 4 countries worth of developing content thrown at you, and I'm afraid a good part of it will feel like fluff......I want the Qunari to continue inspiring Borg levels of dread (when the Borg were also good, anyway). I am so ready to be overwhelmed. With 8 year gaps, I want it to last Also, yes, exactly my point. They're just "rawr, hulk smash, submit to the Qun!" With none of the same cold dread one would feel facing a borg cube. I'm with you, I'm ready to dump 200 hours into this sucker.
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Post by Beerfish on Dec 6, 2022 6:51:56 GMT
If we have to choose with siding with Solas OR the Qunari so help me I'm going to have a huge tantrum.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 6, 2022 7:00:16 GMT
This makes me think that the way the major plots are going to be split will be something like: • Qunari invasion plot in Tevinter and Antiva with the Lucerni, Venatori and the Crows • Blight plot in Nevarra and The Anderfels with the Mortalitassi, Wardens and maybe Executors • Converging in the Arlathan forest with Solas, the weird Dalish clan from Three Trees to Midnight and maybe the elven gods Or I'm reading too much into it. I gotta say, spreading the story over 4 countries will either be underwhelming, a la Val Royeaux, or overwhelming, because you'd get 4 countries worth of developing content thrown at you, and I'm afraid a good part of it will feel like fluff. Fluff = empty world aka DAI? Please Don't scare me.
So the pessimistic, sky is falling prediction is a release of DAI 2 in December 2024 with a marketing slogan of "Leave the Imperium"? Fluff more in the sense that it won't be impactful but rather there to fill in the time. I hope that won't be the case but I do fear that having to develop and show off 4 separate countries in a single game might lead to us either seeing very small areas of them (underwhelmed because that won't do those countries justice) or seeing big areas but mostly empty or having side content just to pad out play time (overwhelmed with quests but not impactful in the grand scheme of things). Mind you, this is merely my speculation based on the spotlight these settings and factions have been getting in extended media. Obviously, we don't know anything about the actual span of the game. Tevinter will surely be in the game due to the end of Trespasser. Antiva very likely, as well, because of the Qunari plotline connection. For Nevarra and the Anderfels I'm going on the fact that Tevinter Nights has 2 stories in Nevarra with the Mortalitassi, and a Mortalitassi character present in a third story, while the Wardens also have 2 stories and there was that one (supposedly) Grey Warden character, Davrin, in the BTS video from a while ago and also there was some concept art that might look like a Warden fortress in a desert (supposedly a fortress in the Anderfels if not Weisshaupt fortress itself).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 6, 2022 7:05:30 GMT
If we have to choose with siding with Solas OR the Qunari so help me I'm going to have a huge tantrum. If you have to choose between one evil and another…you’d prefer not to choose at all? But yeah, that doesn’t sound like it’d land all that well with a large tract of players.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 6, 2022 7:14:33 GMT
To be fair just because we've had short stories set in, or about factions from, Antiva, Nevarra, and the Anderfels doesn't mean we're going there in the game. Could just aswell be that they've been thinking/writing about those places/factions only because characters from them are going to be in it.
The only place we know we're going right now is Minrathous, because they've said they're excited to show it to us.
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