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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 5, 2023 11:33:12 GMT
In DAI I used tactical view for two reasons:
1. Because the tutorial told me to (briefly) 2. To cheese looking around corners to see what was coming.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 5, 2023 11:50:46 GMT
Not necessarily. Perhaps 'origins' are back? I want to dismiss this speculation because of the previous games and what Bioware have said back then. But hear me out i still think 6 origins like DAO with a voiced protagonists are crazy but maybe it´s time that should change my point of view and don´t look just only at the races and more about the 3 classes. Warrior: Grey Warden Origin Rogue: Antivan Crow Origin Mages: Slave, Lucerni or Tevinter version of the Circle of Magi?
The player can play all Class Origin with each race (human, elf, dwarf or qunari) the only exception is you can´t play a dwarven mage.
I think 3 voiced Origins are way more reasonable than giving each race one or two of its own like in DAO. Also with the Qunari it would be 7 oder 8. Those days are over so it´s not that realistic in my opinion. But 3 i can see that.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 5, 2023 12:19:26 GMT
I say, let's just wait and see for further confirmation from Bioware. It's still in development, after all.
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Post by Gwydden on Feb 5, 2023 12:34:33 GMT
BioWare always wanted to move away from tactical RPGs. Yeah, since at least Jade Empire, which came out back in 2005. Origins (which is still my favorite game of theirs) was a weird throwback, and they immediately started walking it back in DA2. Personally, I didn't enjoy the combat in DA2 or DA:I and know there's no chance in hell they were ever gonna go back to the way it was in DA:O, so I'm glad they're done splitting the difference and are just doing what they've clearly wanted to all along, action combat. I've always got Baldur's Gate 3 for a more tactical, Origins-like experience, which I stopped expecting from Bioware a long time ago.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 5, 2023 12:52:55 GMT
I completely forgot about the Jade Empire.
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Post by Gwydden on Feb 5, 2023 13:00:26 GMT
I completely forgot about the Jade Empire. So did Bioware
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 5, 2023 13:17:07 GMT
Not necessarily. Perhaps 'origins' are back? I want to dismiss this speculation because of the previous games and what Bioware have said back then. But hear me out i still think 6 origins like DAO with a voiced protagonists are crazy but maybe it´s time that should change my point of view and don´t look just only at the races and more about the 3 classes. Warrior: Grey Warden Origin Rogue: Antivan Crow Origin Mages: Slave, Lucerni or Tevinter version of the Circle of Magi?
The player can play all Class Origin with each race (human, elf, dwarf or qunari) the only exception is you can´t play a dwarven mage.
I think 3 voiced Origins are way more reasonable than giving each race one or two of its own like in DAO. Also with the Qunari it would be 7 oder 8. Those days are over so it´s not that realistic in my opinion. But 3 i can see that.
I find it doubtful we'd have Grey Warden Origin, especially tied to a class since all classes and all species can be Grey Wardens.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 5, 2023 13:23:38 GMT
I find it doubtful we'd have Grey Warden Origin, especially tied to a class since all classes and all species can be Grey Wardens. Well this is other option the playercharacter is only a Grey Warden and there is no real origin. And its true that other classes can also be Grey Warden but same could be sad about the Crows. Maybe there are also Crow Warriors and Mages. I don´t say that they don´t exist but you can´t play as one.
Like for example you can´t play the Dalish Origin as a Mage. It´s limited by design. Also i would argue it would be more strange if you can´t play a grey warden as a warrior but more as a mage.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 5, 2023 13:31:34 GMT
So Rook could be the name / nickname / title of the protagonist and not the name of the female dwarven rogue. Well there is still a small hope for Harding. But with Davrin as almost safe companion my heart will say Harding but my brain says Bellara.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 5, 2023 13:37:37 GMT
Well there is still a small hope for Harding. I will always have high hopes for Harding.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 5, 2023 13:43:02 GMT
Well there is still a small hope for Harding. I will always have high hopes for Harding. Maybe someone could ask the leaker if they know who the companions are in Demo? Davrin obviously (could still be temp but i highly doubt that) and this female dwarven rogue. Don´t ask for a companion menu screenshot yes would be neat but just a namedrop.
But i think we can all agree that with female dwarven rogue there is no room for Varric in the party?
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Post by azarhal on Feb 5, 2023 13:51:57 GMT
The (reddit) leaks reminds me of the first stuff we saw of Inquisition in a behind the scene video years before release. Just a bit more finished, the DAI video had a lot more grey unfinished textures. The visual bug with the dialogue subtitle is funny...but that might be just me. The drop kick is freaking awesome! Please, leave it in. Also, I think we can see the s&s warrior dodging and it's not a stupid dodge roll skill like in Inquisition. Art style looks similar to DAI. That's like a first, every DA game had different art style even if certain things were kept around. I'm wondering how long after the switch from MP this build was made, because I think we can see a lots of things left from it that might not be around at release.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 5, 2023 13:52:28 GMT
In DAI I used tactical view for two reasons: 1. Because the tutorial told me to (briefly) 2. To cheese looking around corners to see what was coming. Same here. Mostly on harder level to stop and see where should next hit go. I think someone from BioWare said tactical cam was not used much, if I remember right...
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 5, 2023 13:58:30 GMT
So Rook could be the name / nickname / title of the protagonist and not the name of the female dwarven rogue. I'd considered that too but that would be weird. I know we had Hawke but they are at least birds of prey. Rook just doesn't have the same ring to it. At least make it Raven, if it has to be a member of the crow family (That was the name of my female city elf Warden). I'd also find it difficult to take it seriously owing to a comedy sketch from years ago where there was a restaurant called the Rook, the menu was shaped like a rook and everything on the menu was some form of rook. But i think we can all agree that with female dwarven rogue there is no room for Varric in the party? Not necessarily considering the comic series has just him and Harding working together. However, if Bellara is a female dwarf, then that could rule out Harding as a companion and vice versa. However, I'm not convinced Bellara is a dwarf. Also, Harding could still feature in the same capacity as she did in DAI; she scouts out an area for us and then gives us the lowdown.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 5, 2023 14:12:50 GMT
I find it doubtful we'd have Grey Warden Origin, especially tied to a class since all classes and all species can be Grey Wardens. Well this is other option the playercharacter is only a Grey Warden and there is no real origin. And its true that other classes can also be Grey Warden but same could be sad about the Crows. Maybe there are also Crow Warriors and Mages. I don´t say that they don´t exist but you can´t play as one.
Like for example you can´t play the Dalish Origin as a Mage. It´s limited by design. Also i would argue it would be more strange if you can´t play a grey warden as a warrior but more as a mage.
We don't even know would next protagonist be a Grey Warden. You can use Grey Warden Armor in DA2 and DAI after all.
Sure it's possible we can become Grey Wardens or are Grey Wardens by default( although still have origin story like in DAI), but I doubt BioWare wants to return back to playing as Grey Warden protagonist. They like to do something new each time, but time will tell.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 5, 2023 14:13:11 GMT
I'd considered that too but that would be weird. I know we had Hawke but they are at least birds of prey. Rook just doesn't have the same ring to it. At least make it Raven, if it has to be a member of the crow family (That was the name of my female city elf Warden). I'd also find it difficult to take it seriously owing to a comedy sketch from years ago where there was a restaurant called the Rook, the menu was shaped like a rook and everything on the menu was some form of rook. I won´t rule this out but Rook is a bit to similar to the Rock. Maybe this isn´t the best idea because we all know that The Rock jokes will happen if the hero is true. The leaker said that the other companion along with Davrin is a female dwarven rogue. Could be Harding, Bellara or someone else. With that information i don´t see that we have two dwarven rogues so Varric is out if the female dwarven rogue isn´t a temp companion well then there is still a chance.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 5, 2023 14:17:57 GMT
'm wondering how long after the switch from MP this build was made, because I think we can see a lots of things left from it that might not be around at release. The switch to SP was in early 2021 and this build is supposedly around a year old, so it could be from early 2022 or about a year after the switch. Not sure how accurate that timeframe is, but regardless it makes sense to me that newer builds are going to have fewer remnants of the MP direction and over time it may resemble something closer to previous SP DA games. There will probably always be some of the MP influence felt in the game though and maybe design decisions they wouldn't have done in a SP game but are too expensive to change.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 5, 2023 14:18:06 GMT
I will always have high hopes for Harding. Maybe someone could ask the leaker if they know who the companions are in Demo? Davrin obviously (could still be temp but i highly doubt that) and this female dwarven rogue. Don´t ask for a companion menu screenshot yes would be neat but just a namedrop.
But i think we can all agree that with female dwarven rogue there is no room for Varric in the party?
I doubt we will get any answers, because leaker is likely in deep trouble. OP in reddit removed all links to leaked footage when multiple people told him he's putting his friend's career in trouble.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 5, 2023 14:18:07 GMT
We don't even know would next protagonist be a Grey Warden. You can use Grey Warden Armor in DA2 and DAI after all. We do know that the playercharacter is a male elven Grey Warden. This screenshot says it all.
Are other origins possible? Yes but one if not the only option is to play as Grey Warden or i guess become one after some quests.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 5, 2023 14:25:51 GMT
The way that reads Level [redacted] Grey Warden seems like "Grey Warden" is a class or a specialization for the Warrior class. But I would love to have multiple origins based on class. Perhaps it will be more like DAO and you start in a different area based on your class (for example, Weisshaupt for Warrior / Grey Warden, Antiva for Rogue / Crow, Nevarra for Mage / Mortalitasi)?
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 5, 2023 14:27:54 GMT
We don't even know would next protagonist be a Grey Warden. You can use Grey Warden Armor in DA2 and DAI after all. We do know that the playercharacter is a male elven Grey Warden. This screenshot says it all.
Are other origins possible? Yes but one if not the only option is to play as Grey Warden or i guess become one after some quests.
Hmh, we can't rule out this was, now cut out, online feature.
Because as you can see, there is no character name at all. Which is strange, no BW game had protagonist named only as their class. There was always custom name and preset surname. This looks more like online character.
Afterall we were not meant to see this, so we can't look into it too deeply on what's on text and UI side of stuff.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 5, 2023 14:38:39 GMT
Hmh, we can't rule out this was, now cut out, online feature. I highly doubt it the leaker would have mentions if this had been online. It looks Singleplayer to me. Simple this are just placeholder name but for playertester is more than enough. The leaker said: "The player character is an Elvish "Knight" Class (the character screen actually says they are a mid-level Grey Warden), they've got a sword and a shield. They also have two party members, another knight dude and a female dwarf rogue." And those three along with some random NPCs are near Weisshaupt pretty much sounds like Grey Wardens and singleplayer.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 5, 2023 14:40:57 GMT
Hmh, we can't rule out this was, now cut out, online feature.
Because as you can see, there is no character name at all. Which is strange, no BW game had protagonist named only as their class. There was always custom name and preset surname. This looks more like online character.
Afterall we were not meant to see this, so we can't look into it too deeply on what's on text and UI side of stuff.
The character name seems to be edited out if it was in top left corner.
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Post by fistoffiori on Feb 5, 2023 14:42:21 GMT
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