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Post by Ravenfeeder on Feb 6, 2023 19:20:53 GMT
My opposition to changing the combat to action style has little to do with nostalgia and everything to do with playability. Whilst I can get used to shooting from a distance in ME, anything close-up melee style doesn't work for me. I cannot play Witcher 3 for example, even though I really want to experience the story and design everybody raves about. The combat is just so much of a chore, even at the lowest difficulty levels, that it just isn't worth playing.
I love the DAO/I Companions/Lore/Story and would love to experience them again in a new game, but without a pause button and preferably an overhead view, I can't see myself playing it.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 6, 2023 22:28:09 GMT
I see it took us 3 days to get to the "true fan" strawman. Longer than I expected, honestly, this place is not as toxic as some would have me believe. Claps all around. Have you experienced the Andromeda years? It reminded of the old COD MW2 lobbies. Well almost lol. XD
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Post by lucidae on Feb 6, 2023 23:07:00 GMT
If Rook is the title for the new protagonist, I approve. I like how it sounds. The rook chess piece is often underestimated or forgotten, it can be a verb for swindling someone, and it is a variety of CROW.
It's a great name for us or a crow companion!!
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 6, 2023 23:32:14 GMT
The combat [In the Witcher 3] is just so much of a chore, even at the lowest difficulty levels, that it just isn't worth playing. The latest next-gen upgrade allows for sign-casting quick-keys on console, where it's a significant improvement.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 6, 2023 23:33:49 GMT
Thanks to this Reddit post i think we should talk more about 2020 Trailer. www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/10uqhia/spoilers_all_dreadwolf_class_system/So at 0:26 we see a Grey Warden protagonist, then at 0:33 a Tevinter Mage, at 0:43 clearly a rogue but a crow? maybe Bioware haven´t finished the crow design? But there are lot of concept arts about the Antivan Crow so i think it is one and last at 0:48 a Veil Jumper Grey Warden = Warrior Origin, Tevinter Mage = Mage Origin, Antivan Crows = Rogue Origin, Veil Jumpers = jack of all trades Origin or the Dragon Age class of the Mass Effect Andromeda profile Explorer.
By the way am i only one who doesn´t like jack of all trades classes?
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 6, 2023 23:35:48 GMT
This is going on the BSN promotional banner: "BSN: Not as toxic as some would have you believe."
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 6, 2023 23:36:21 GMT
Thanks to this Reddit post i think we should talk more about 2020 Trailer. https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/10uqhia/spoilers_all_dreadwolf_class_system/So at 0:26 we see a Grey Warden protagonist, then at 0:33 a Tevinter Mage, at 0:43 clearly a rogue but a crow? maybe Bioware haven´t finished the crow design and last at 0:48 Veil Jumpers. Grey Warden = Warrior Origin, Tevinter Mage = Mage Origin, Antivan Crows = Rogue Origin, Veil Jumpers = jack of all trades Origin or the Dragon Age class of the Mass Effect Andromeda profile Explorer. So to play my preferred class I have to be a scumbag who murders anybody I’m told to? Oh joy. 😡
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 6, 2023 23:40:52 GMT
So to play my preferred class I have to be a scumbag who murders anybody I’m told to? Oh joy. 😡 Or maybe they are joinable factions if they don´t want to make Origins again?
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 6, 2023 23:46:48 GMT
A very helpful DA fan just gave me a heads up on the DA:D Warrior sub-clases... Grey Warden Guardian seemed to be a subclass of the Warrior archetype, also includes Lords of Fortune Berserker and The Mourn Watch Reaper (magic based I think).
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Post by Pon.ee on Feb 6, 2023 23:53:07 GMT
A very helpful DA fan just have me a heads up on the DAD Warrior sub-clases... Grey Warden Guardian seemed to be a subclass of the Warrior archetype, also includes Lords of Fortune Berserker and The Mourn Watch Reaper (magic based I think). I was hoping they might get a little more creative with the warrior sub classes, i feel rogue and mage have had some really unique ones and warrior tends to just have the same 3 rehashed. If I was creative enough I'd suggest something cool but I'm not so :')
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 6, 2023 23:53:29 GMT
A very helpful DA fan just have me a heads up on the DAD Warrior sub-clases... Grey Warden Guardian seemed to be a subclass of the Warrior archetype, also includes Lords of Fortune Berserker and The Mourn Watch Reaper (magic based I think). Does this DA fan have some solid facts which could made this speculation more believable?
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Post by azarhal on Feb 7, 2023 0:18:29 GMT
A very helpful DA fan just have me a heads up on the DAD Warrior sub-clases... Grey Warden Guardian seemed to be a subclass of the Warrior archetype, also includes Lords of Fortune Berserker and The Mourn Watch Reaper (magic based I think). These sound like DAIMP classes/characters. The idea fit well with the arts from 2020: 1. pick faction (Warden, Crow, Lords of Fortune, Mournwatch...the weird dudes with triangles) 2. pick class with specialization (Mage/Warrior/Rogue for Wardens, Crows and weird dudes, LoF might be limited to Warrior/Rogue and mage(s) for Mournwatch) 3. Profit!!! 4. Receive Rook label
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2023 2:28:19 GMT
It will be curious if this is the only 'three' factions we get. That we won't get a Crow rogue but then a Grey Warden rogue a Lord of Fortune Rogue and a Mourn Watch Rogue and then the same goes for the mages.
Which will be interesting but it does fit. And as Grog said this could easily be a multiplayer hold over, and indeed that is a feeling I got from the BTS photo and with the comment 'unless' being made.
Its also something I was predicting as a solution to the problem they have had with classes in the game from the beginning since, again, I've always been a little critical of how BioWare has handled the whole Rogue/ mage/ warrior dynamic...but instead of generalizing and going classless or eliminating classes they add onto them. On the one hand I do like mixing and matching abilities and I don't think the replayabiluity argument is a compelling one given how many people don't tend to finish these games a first time let alone...9? but on the other it does help define things, probably, and it would really eliminate the issue with having dozens of abilities but only being able to chose 4 or 5 of them. (Still probably more).
Though it would also make sense that if they have a few common abilities that all rogues and mages and whatever can access but this is just spit balling if true.
Either way IF true there is some promise here and since this is a new system I have little to no experience with I am eager to see how BioWare does it.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 7, 2023 3:16:03 GMT
If this is true, that seems like a really cool way of handling it. Being able to play any class from any faction but with a distinct flavour sounds great to me.
... brb, off to add factions to the hypothetical DA4 characters in my spreadsheet. I guess there was a reason I made twelve world states after all!
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 7, 2023 3:35:01 GMT
It will be curious if this is the only 'three' factions we get. That we won't get a Crow rogue but then a Grey Warden rogue a Lord of Fortune Rogue and a Mourn Watch Rogue and then the same goes for the mages. The Mourn Watch being an option is interesting...
I'd say that improves the odds of visiting the Grand Necropolis.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2023 3:40:49 GMT
It will be curious if this is the only 'three' factions we get. That we won't get a Crow rogue but then a Grey Warden rogue a Lord of Fortune Rogue and a Mourn Watch Rogue and then the same goes for the mages. The Mourn Watch being an option is interesting...
I'd say that improves the odds of visiting the Grand Necropolis. Another great point though is this does raise the question IF we get Origins wonder how much of these other lands we will actually get to visit. Maybe each faction, like extrapolating this out to include the Crows, just start in their home nation...something weird happens there involving Solas...and then they have to move into Tevinter.
I think it should be noted that I am basically doing shot gun speculation on this and see what sticks and just posting ALL the thoughts that are occuring to me. This kind of stuff makes it really fun since I'm not taking the leaks at face value it also makes it really fun to apply these really random thoughts.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2023 3:45:25 GMT
Like its weird though. Grey Wardens as a warrior archetype makes perfect sense so then nine sub classes (or more?) and then each one of them belongs to a different faction and then they all make sense. But Lords of Fortune seems like a good jack of all trades organization, like they could be any class which is the whole point, despite Lacklon being a warrior, but then the Mourn Watch does seem perfect for a mage background so that suggests we will just get these three factions repeated throughout the classes.
I just hope to get a good bow option?
Of course then there is the whole Veil Jumper thing that seems primed to be a specialization of some sort but then where would it be?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 7, 2023 3:57:46 GMT
Like its weird though. Grey Wardens as a warrior archetype makes perfect sense so then nine sub classes (or more?) and then each one of them belongs to a different faction and then they all make sense. But Lords of Fortune seems like a good jack of all trades organization, like they could be any class which is the whole point, despite Lacklon being a warrior, but then the Mourn Watch does seem perfect for a mage background so that suggests we will just get these three factions repeated throughout the classes.
I just hope to get a good bow option?
Of course then there is the whole Veil Jumper thing that seems primed to be a specialization of some sort but then where would it be? Yeah, we don't have quite enough information to see how it all fits together right now, and that's assuming that this info is accurate and hasn't changed since early last year.
Like, you could do a system with three factions - Warden, Lord of Fortune and Mournwatch - and each has three specialisations. Or you could do a system with four factions and each one has two classes attached - like, the Mournwatch could have the Reaper Warrior and Mortalitasi Mage but no Rogue spec, while the Crow gets a Rogue and a Mage but no Warrior. But then you only get to eight subclasses unless one of them (Warden?) has an extra, and the Veil Jumper thing doesn't seem to have anywhere to go. Assuming it is indeed a specialisation in the first place!
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 7, 2023 4:07:30 GMT
Like its weird though. Grey Wardens as a warrior archetype makes perfect sense so then nine sub classes (or more?) and then each one of them belongs to a different faction and then they all make sense. But Lords of Fortune seems like a good jack of all trades organization, like they could be any class which is the whole point, despite Lacklon being a warrior, but then the Mourn Watch does seem perfect for a mage background so that suggests we will just get these three factions repeated throughout the classes.
I just hope to get a good bow option?
Of course then there is the whole Veil Jumper thing that seems primed to be a specialization of some sort but then where would it be? Yeah, those 3 factions certainly feel like they'll cross all the classes. If they didn't, I have a feeling there'd be some griping (Why can't I be a Warden Mage??) There'll undoubtedly be a number of cool factions we won't be able to join. Remember the Veilfire Archer tease way back when? Although this (and Veil Jumper) could be Skill Trees.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2023 4:34:01 GMT
The Mourn Watch being an option is interesting...
I'd say that improves the odds of visiting the Grand Necropolis. Another great point though is this does raise the question IF we get Origins wonder how much of these other lands we will actually get to visit. Maybe each faction, like extrapolating this out to include the Crows, just start in their home nation...something weird happens there involving Solas...and then they have to move into Tevinter.
I think it should be noted that I am basically doing shot gun speculation on this and see what sticks and just posting ALL the thoughts that are occuring to me. This kind of stuff makes it really fun since I'm not taking the leaks at face value it also makes it really fun to apply these really random thoughts. So Antiva would be wasted just for the Crow origin story, Anderfels wasted for the Warden, and Nevarra wasted for the Mourn Watcher?
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2023 4:39:04 GMT
Another great point though is this does raise the question IF we get Origins wonder how much of these other lands we will actually get to visit. Maybe each faction, like extrapolating this out to include the Crows, just start in their home nation...something weird happens there involving Solas...and then they have to move into Tevinter.
I think it should be noted that I am basically doing shot gun speculation on this and see what sticks and just posting ALL the thoughts that are occuring to me. This kind of stuff makes it really fun since I'm not taking the leaks at face value it also makes it really fun to apply these really random thoughts. So Antiva would be wasted just for the Crow origin story, Anderfels wasted for the Warden, and Nevarra wasted for the Mourn Watcher? If my theory is correct this would be done for two reasons essentially. 1. So they could focus fully on Tevinter in the next game and not get too spread out and 2. give these other places more proper time in future games. The danger of course happens if we don't get a future dragon age game... Though remember I am literally just spitballing here. These are very vague random theories and passing thoughts I'd still be willing to bet we see these places in full and they get their own stories within the game just like Origins. Just the possibility of visiting Tevinter AND the Anderfels AND Antiva AND Neverra and maybe places like Rivain and hopefully Kal Shirock and Par Vollen is certainly a daunting one, especially given the issues they had with Inquisition in this regard.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2023 4:46:24 GMT
So Antiva would be wasted just for the Crow origin story, Anderfels wasted for the Warden, and Nevarra wasted for the Mourn Watcher? If my theory is correct this would be done for two reasons essentially. 1. So they could focus fully on Tevinter in the next game and not get too spread out and 2. give these other places more proper time in future games. The danger of course happens if we don't get a future dragon age game... Though remember I am literally just spitballing here. These are very vague random theories and passing thoughts I'd still be willing to bet we see these places in full and they get their own stories within the game just like Origins. Just the possibility of visiting Tevinter AND the Anderfels AND Antiva AND Neverra and maybe places like Rivain and hopefully Kal Shirock and Par Vollen is certainly a daunting one, especially given the issues they had with Inquisition in this regard. I’m more worried that as you said there might not be future games, and even if there are they might write those places off as explored enough (like Free Marches after only one city-state). Especially if we’re just traveling via Eluvians. Overall I do agree that they shouldn’t spread too thin. They should just do Tevinter and Par Vollen plus Seheron and maybe Anderfels since the Blight is prevalent (and it’d be isolated from other nations while making more sense connected to Tevinter).
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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 7, 2023 5:10:52 GMT
Another great point though is this does raise the question IF we get Origins wonder how much of these other lands we will actually get to visit. Maybe each faction, like extrapolating this out to include the Crows, just start in their home nation...something weird happens there involving Solas...and then they have to move into Tevinter.
I think it should be noted that I am basically doing shot gun speculation on this and see what sticks and just posting ALL the thoughts that are occuring to me. This kind of stuff makes it really fun since I'm not taking the leaks at face value it also makes it really fun to apply these really random thoughts. So Antiva would be wasted just for the Crow origin story, Anderfels wasted for the Warden, and Nevarra wasted for the Mourn Watcher? I think if they have those places as origin stories they would likely have us return to each for a major quest as well. Although it does seem like a lot of locations for them to handle in one game.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Feb 7, 2023 6:29:46 GMT
I see it took us 3 days to get to the "true fan" strawman. Longer than I expected, honestly, this place is not as toxic as some would have me believe. Claps all around. Have you experienced the Andromeda years? It reminded of the old COD MW2 lobbies. Well almost lol. XD I been around the forums since ME3's development, although I don't make my way to the ME section all that often. I also don't really care for MEA, so I don't feel the need to go out of my way to talk about it. A very helpful DA fan just gave me a heads up on the DA:D Warrior sub-clases... Grey Warden Guardian seemed to be a subclass of the Warrior archetype, also includes Lords of Fortune Berserker and The Mourn Watch Reaper (magic based I think). Sounds like it could be similar to the DAI specializations and it certainly wouldn't be the first time we drank weird goop to pick up a Warrior specialization, although Grey Warden is a tad more of a gamble/permanent than Templar or Reaver.
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Post by necrowaif on Feb 7, 2023 7:47:41 GMT
You know, I got to thinking about it, and I remember there used to be this lady who worked at BioWare in UI design or some shit who complained loudly on Twitter that they were making her play God of War as a reference point for the next game.
She didn’t like it because of the controls and all the “toxic masculinity” displayed by Kratos. I think she got some shit for it because this was after the AMAZINGLY SUCCESSFUL launch of Anthem, and it wasn’t a great look for someone working at BioWare to be slagging that year’s Game of the Year.
Anyhow, what do you folks think about the nickname “God of Wolf”? Is the wordplay clever or a little too clumsy?
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