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Post by Bondari the Reloader on Mar 5, 2024 5:50:32 GMT
I don't remember seeing it in the CC when I created my PC. I just started getting dialogue options tagged with it and assumed my character was from Baldur's Gate. I wish we had a little more info about our PCs before they got tadpoled. Or maybe that comes up later? My MP group is still in Act I.
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Post by azarhal on Mar 5, 2024 13:06:38 GMT
Thanks. Maybe it was more obvious in the CC once? Or did I just miss it this time around? I think it's more that tags used to more visible instead of being hidden at the bottom of the 3rd tab (character).
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 5, 2024 23:06:38 GMT
I don't remember seeing it in the CC when I created my PC. I just started getting dialogue options tagged with it and assumed my character was from Baldur's Gate. I wish we had a little more info about our PCs before they got tadpoled. Or maybe that comes up later? My MP group is still in Act I. I think they made the balduran thing just a conversation tag rather than a character creator thing because Tav (as opposed to durge) doesn't have a set background, so if the background you've invented for them doesn't include being from Baldur's gate, you can just not select those dialogue options.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 6, 2024 5:56:40 GMT
Thanks. Maybe it was more obvious in the CC once? Or did I just miss it this time around? I think it's more that tags used to more visible instead of being hidden at the bottom of the 3rd tab (character). Yeah, there it is. There's always a bit of tension between how much information to throw at the player and how much to tuck away.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 8, 2024 22:33:03 GMT
It is done! Finished the game yesterday. My savegame says 227 hours. My Steam clock shows significantly more but I did do a couple of reloads to test stuff and I did have the game idling for quite a bit at times, so that makes sense. In any case, IMO they could have easily sold every act as a single game and made this a trilogy if they had wanted and I don't think anyone would have complained. So good on you Larian for making this one super-giant game. Overall, I'd say this is probably the single most ambitious and content rich SP game I have ever seen in my over 35 years of gaming experience. The sheer magnitude is astonishing. One single playthrough is this long and I have seen maybe a tenth of the iterations that are possible. And the quality of everything from gameplay mechanics, to visuals to writing to VO is amazing. This game really does deserve all the hype and the praise and the 10/10s it got last year, every bit of it. So is it my favorite game of all time? No, not really. For some reason, I connected better with the Mass Effect and Dragon Age universes but objectively, there is just no way not to acknowladge that this is unequivocally a masterpiece. If I were really harsh, I might take away .5 or 1 point for the rather lackluster beginning (especially for D&D noobs like me) but the game more than makes up for it later on, so i am not gonna quibble over it. Also, especially in act 3, I did run into a couple of scripting bugs and logic issues where some dialogue didn't quite fit my situation even with Patch 6 but hey, in light of the sheer number of variations and confluences in the plotlines, this is easily excused and it's amazing to me that 99% of it works as well as it does in the first place. So, overall (and I guess to the surprise of absolutely no one) I agree with everyone else and give this one an easy 10/10 little brains with tiny little feet. Well done Larian, you set a new gold standard for story driven games.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Mar 11, 2024 11:53:20 GMT
As I get towards the end of the tale of Belisarius the Ancients paladin I start to think about whether I want another PT. I could go back to my abandoned Gloomstalker Ranger, but I wasn't having much fun stealthing and shooting everything whilst the rest of the party hung back waiting for an emergency.
Various possibilities come to mind and I was considering a Sorlock (Sorc 10/War 2) as a change from a martial. Playing as Karlach or Shadowheart came to mind as well.
Trouble is I think Belisarius may be my Ur PT. I do like Paladins and martials in general in fantasy RPG's. Plus playing through with three martials in the party has proven to be much more effective than the Bard led party of my first (unfinished) PT.
Decisions, decisions.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 14, 2024 5:04:32 GMT
These two drifted across my feed the other day: Mav and Snacks
I don't watch too many gameplay vids, but I was interested in watching how a couple of total noobs would handle BG3. These ladies fit the bill. They apparently have zero FR, D&D, or turn-based experience, or even much exposure to BG3 before playing it beyond a couple of memes, and it shows. You wouldn't believe how long it takes them to grasp the concept of an AoO, for instance. So if you're looking for a well-played game, it is not here. But they're game, and willing to roll with it. God knows a Lolth-sworn drow druid is not a character concept I'd ever come up with on my own. My big takeaway is just how fundamentally weird it is for BG3 to be a mainstream success.
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Post by azarhal on Mar 14, 2024 12:47:37 GMT
My big takeaway is just how fundamentally weird it is for BG3 to be a mainstream success. It shouldn't be, it's 110% a nerd game made by nerds. It's turn-based a supposed super niche genre for 20 years now. Storytelling/questing is based on exploration over hand holding. You don't even have to do what the quest log tells you outside moving forward. It's hard, especially when you don't know what you are doing. It's over 100 hours (even 200 for some) if you try to do all the content per PT. You can't see everything in a single PT since some stuff are exclusive to play as specific origin. It got barely any marketing, it was mostly a few Panels from Hell over the years of early access, some gaming award trailers and appearing at convention. It's cutscene/companion/camp system was ripped off Dragon Age Origins which released in 2009... It's basically the anti-mainstream/big publisher game. It sold over 10m copies (and the game has legs, I'm seeing new buyers asking questions online every day). It won basically every GOTY despite a strong gaming year and a Nintendo darling. I'm seeing people asking questions about Dragon's Dogma 2 referencing BG3 to compare features.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Mar 14, 2024 18:15:56 GMT
Baldur's Gate 3, now 10% off on Steam until the 20th of March, and on PS5 until the 24th of March!
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 16, 2024 16:11:09 GMT
I just made this guide to max Minthara's approval 100% roleplaying a good/neutral character, just in case you guys want it, gonna copy and paste what I wrote in bg3 reddit Guide to max Minthara's approval in a good/neutral run, NO ROMANCE!
First if you are roleplaying a Paladin or some righteous by the book character, I dont think some dialogue choices of this guide or even Minthara will fit that kind of character, but it’s all about you and your headcanon so why not? My canon character was neutral good sarcastic warlock so there’s room for some flexibility (Saying that you will take over the Absolute with Minthara was my warlock’s way of being a real neutral sarcastic bastard lol also lots of approval points!). Of course this is my take to max her approval choosing good/neutral options, opinions can vary of course! I just went through a lot of metagaming headache and I thought I could do this for other people that are in the situation I was with this character (I dont like playing evil so this is the only way I could see her content properly)
There are several good/neutral approval points you can get early in Act 2 but that would imply taking the evil path to get them such killing the tieflings or doing the drider patrol first, some points: refusing Jaheira’s drink, helping the hyena, convince the drider to leave without the lantern, saying Isobel that Marcus is a true soul, etc. But in a Good run those moments already happened once you save Minthara in Moonrise Towers. This guide is only for those who chose the good path and join the harpers patrol after saving Isobel.
ACT 2
+5 At camp, when she remembers what she did while serving the Absolute choose “To Lose your free will and be forced to kill. That must be horrible.”
+1 Defeating Gerringothe Thorm through dialogue.
+5 Succeeding all the checks with Thisobald Thorm (three drinks, two stories)
+2 Persuade Malus Thorm to have the Sisters kill each other and then persuade Malus kill himself.
+1 Helping the gnolls in the kitchen of Moonrise Towers.
+1 When talking to Zrell after Minthara's trial, pass a check if you chose to spare the goblins.
+1 Persuade Balthazar to give you the bell to summon Flesh (According to wikia, I didn't do this) or steal Mother Dearest and with her in your inventory say: "What happened to your mother?" -> "Actually, I have your mother." -> "No, I think I'll keep her." (sorry this is just the most chaotic neutral trolling ever I HAD to do it, fuck Balthazar)
+1 Convince Nessa to help you against Yurgir, saying her meat is magically dosed.
+1 Agree to help Shadowheart with her trials when interacting with the Pedestal of Reckoning.
+1 Tell Ketheric Thorm that seeing your enemies cowed never gets old.
Now you need to bring Minthara with you to Act 2 boss fight, this is mandatory to get a big chunk of approval with her after the fight. In the Mind Flayer Colony there will be a -1 if you save the people in the pods (I havent tried it but if she is far away in another room maybe she wont notice, I took the -1 point for this guide) you can gain that point back if you tell the hard truth to the “Fresh Mind” that she is not going to wake up. EDIT. I just tested it and it worked, no point lost!
+20 When she is in Ketheric’s throne choose the following dialogues: We make a good team -> Once she's dead, the cult will need new leadership, perhaps we can take her place -> i'm with you -> I want revenge on those who did this to me. Approval should be at 49.
+1 Ask "You respected him?" when discussing Ketheric's death.
+6 When talking about the time she invaded Moonrise, choose: "Pride can be a great weakness" or ""Understanding. Ketheric gave you the welcome you felt you deserved." (same points, it's your choice)" and "You'll have your revenge".
+1 When talking to Jaheira after killing Ketheric, ask her if she is having fun, then tell her that you're "having the time of your life."
+6 At camp, when she asks you to see your thoughts (this is a romance conversation) say yes without questioning why "Only if I can see your thoughts as well" -> then "I'm flattered". Tell her you see her as friend (This guide is only for a non-romance good/neutral path, if you romance her it will be a lot of easier to max her out)
ACT 3
(You should have 63 approval points by this time)
+5 Tell her that you will let her use the Astral-Touched Tadpole. (It's her choice after all)
+1 Tell to the strange ox “It takes worse than a bit of gore to turn my gullet” IMPORTANT: If you go to the city before talking to the ox, he will disappear.
+2 Offer Yenna help to find a guard and then giving food or some money to her.
+3 Choose “It's only fair thar they should earn their keep.” after helping Yenna. (True neutral dialogue choice in my opinion).
+1 Telling Nestor that you will take a donation. (Dismiss Minthara and make the donation after being a sarcastic jester lol).
+1 Use persuasion to extort the postmaster in the “finding the missing letters” quest. (He has shady business with the Zhentarim, fuck him!)
+3 Getting in jail in Rivington and talk with the talking skull, use persuasion "You talk like a drunk poet" and then choose the correct answers: shadow and anvil. (Minthara needs to be near, as well as other companions)
+2 In the Circus of the Last Days, you can get several points in different ways, I got 2 by letting Minsc getting to the stage (I needed Minsc points at that time and I got +2 with Minthara so it was a win win for me), the combination is up to you.
+1 Reject helping Manip Falcäo.
+1 Getting access to Wyrm's Rock Fortress gives you 1 point, no matter how you do it as far I know.
+1 Convince Arkleia Oloril to trade with you.
+1 Say that you should not trust the Steel Watchers because they will turn on everyone while talking to Lord Amber's Bodyguard, Lady Durinbold's Attendant and Lord Shattershield's Attendant.
+1 When asking her if she has seen anything like the Steel Watchers before, tell her you wish you had such devices of your own. (They would be so handy, at least until you find out how they are made yikes!)
+1 Successfully lie to Aradin when he asks you about the Nightsong in Sorcerous Sundries. Or fail the check and say at camp that you are going to enjoy chopping his head off for an extra point!!
+1 Telling Scratch he is where he belongs, if you didnt let Mar'hyah take him. (there's +1 if you let her and then open his cage but I wouldnt do that even if someone pays me lol)
+2 Resist the madness when accepting the monk's curse after delivering his amulet, she will disapprove but if you pass the checks she will approve again.
+1 When talking about Menzoberranzan, tell her that her upbringing made her strong.
+3 Buy a Baldur's Mouth Gazette copy and ask her what she would do if she ran the paper.
+1 Intimidate Helsik to keep the gauntlets of hill giant strength (Fuck you Helsik!)
+5 +1 Let Orin kidnaps her and then after the battle at camp choose: “You sound disheartened” and “You're nothing like Orin”. If she is not kidnapped she only gives +3. Your choice!
There are like 2 or 3 points in different parts of the game that I dont remember now how I got them (I didnt do Helsik’s gauntlets or convinced Arkleia with Minthara in the party, thats for sure) but with all the above you have about 100 approval points without need to be evil.
Sorry for the rough guide, english is not even my language and sometimes I copy'd and paste'd text from the wikia haha (aint nobody have time for that!)
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 16, 2024 18:03:30 GMT
Can someone give me a valid RP reason for a good PC to leave Minthara alive? The above guide looks interesting, but I'm having trouble visualizing using it.
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Post by Curious Crow on Mar 16, 2024 21:13:26 GMT
Can someone give me a valid RP reason for a good PC to leave Minthara alive? The above guide looks interesting, but I'm having trouble visualizing using it. Some potential reasons but how valid or good they are is a matter of opinion. They never kill if they can help it and always have the knock out option activated. Or are playing a pacifist challenge. They were influenced by the attempted mind overtake before/near the camp and hold on to the hope she might redeem herself given a second chance. She cast feign dead and passed the dice check. PC is enamoured and thinks with the wrong head. Other party member is enamoured and sneakily lets her live during the battle. The Tadpole is enamoured and tricks the PC into sparing her. The artifact sees her as a potential ally and tricks the PC into sparing her/ does some magics so she wont die. PC is Kazuma Kiryu and won't hit kill a woman. They left to Moonrise ASAP and forgot to resolve the whole Grove business. Granted not a good thing to do, but what if you turned in the grove and ate all the children?
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Post by talyn82 on Mar 16, 2024 21:44:02 GMT
Can someone give me a valid RP reason for a good PC to leave Minthara alive? The above guide looks interesting, but I'm having trouble visualizing using it. In my current playthrough as a Paladin I saved here in the Goblin stronghold. But last night I reloaded an earlier save before entering the stronghold. I mean why would a Paladin think to save a drow? Especially one as sadistic as Minthara? Anyway if I ever gain the guts to do an evil playthrough I will recruit her then.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 16, 2024 22:57:33 GMT
Can someone give me a valid RP reason for a good PC to leave Minthara alive? The above guide looks interesting, but I'm having trouble visualizing using it. I can think of a few: 1. Character avoids killing when possible 2. Sympathetic to True Souls due to knowing what has them doing this. 3. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. 4. Inspired by someone else, either Prism, your deity, patron, and so on. Etc She’s not the only evil companion we have, Astarion and Lae’zel also are when we start, so any justification for keeping them can apply to her as well.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 16, 2024 23:55:34 GMT
Can someone give me a valid RP reason for a good PC to leave Minthara alive? The above guide looks interesting, but I'm having trouble visualizing using it. for how clunky it is the form she is recruited in a good run, just headcanon you tried to kill her and you didnt by pure luck not doing a lethal blow. Then in Moonrise Tower you will learn she is just another victim with valuable information so she is a good ally. Personally she really grew in me, like I love she is not cartoonishly evil, she hates violence for the sake of it. She likes power and pragmatism, so my character can get behind that. She is just so boss ass bitch I love her so much hahaAlso, her final thoughts about her saying if she is like Orin just breaks my heart. IMO as much as I like Astarion, he is more evil than her in the sense he is more chaotic. If pre-redemption arc Astarion, Lae'zel or Shadowheart can be ina good party, I dont see why Minthara is any different.
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Post by talyn82 on Mar 17, 2024 0:51:50 GMT
Personally she really grew in me, like I love she is not cartoonishly evil, she hates violence for the sake of it. She likes power and pragmatism, so my character can get behind that Yeah I've seen clips of some of her scenes in the party on youtube and I like her as well.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 17, 2024 4:28:49 GMT
Can someone give me a valid RP reason for a good PC to leave Minthara alive? The above guide looks interesting, but I'm having trouble visualizing using it. welp my drow eilistrae cleric is going to have sympathy for the fact she's being mind controlled by an evil "god", as by the time you meet her the relic has noticably protected you. Will be unable to be sure whether she was a lolth worshipper before the tadpole or not, she could be another eilistrae worshipper for all she knows, she's hardly going to assume drow=evil. Additionally she is devoted to undermining lolth and turning others from her worship - for which an individual recently isolated, and manipulated by yet another evil god, is potentially an ideal candidate. Also even a pure lolth lover can be a useful weapon against the absolute/mindflayers if handled correctly.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 18, 2024 2:54:59 GMT
My big takeaway is just how fundamentally weird it is for BG3 to be a mainstream success. It shouldn't be, it's 110% a nerd game made by nerds. It's turn-based a supposed super niche genre for 20 years now. Storytelling/questing is based on exploration over hand holding. You don't even have to do what the quest log tells you outside moving forward. It's hard, especially when you don't know what you are doing. It's over 100 hours (even 200 for some) if you try to do all the content per PT. You can't see everything in a single PT since some stuff are exclusive to play as specific origin. It got barely any marketing, it was mostly a few Panels from Hell over the years of early access, some gaming award trailers and appearing at convention. It's cutscene/companion/camp system was ripped off Dragon Age Origins which released in 2009... It's basically the anti-mainstream/big publisher game. It sold over 10m copies (and the game has legs, I'm seeing new buyers asking questions online every day). It won basically every GOTY despite a strong gaming year and a Nintendo darling. I'm seeing people asking questions about Dragon's Dogma 2 referencing BG3 to compare features. I thought of your post when I read this article: Warner Bros. plans to stop working on successful games to double down on unsuccessful ones
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 18, 2024 2:57:12 GMT
Can someone give me a valid RP reason for a good PC to leave Minthara alive? The above guide looks interesting, but I'm having trouble visualizing using it. for how clunky it is the form she is recruited in a good run, just headcanon you tried to kill her and you didnt by pure luck not doing a lethal blow. Then in Moonrise Tower you will learn she is just another victim with valuable information so she is a good ally. So we left her for dead but she didn't die? I can work with that.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 18, 2024 16:03:18 GMT
for how clunky it is the form she is recruited in a good run, just headcanon you tried to kill her and you didnt by pure luck not doing a lethal blow. Then in Moonrise Tower you will learn she is just another victim with valuable information so she is a good ally. So we left her for dead but she didn't die? I can work with that. Yessss, haha the one toggling non lethal damage option was Lord Ao! And for real, Minthara is a great companion, i dont usually enjoy evil characters but she is great!
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Very AFK @cromwelp Someone just drive-by farted our table at the GDC awards. I’ll find you.
(It's shameful how long I laughed at this...)
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 27, 2024 6:02:39 GMT
Just looking through my achievements. How is it that only 8.8% of players have "Kill Two Birds with One Gnome"?
It's a bonus action which can do damage to two enemies. I've got Karlach using this all the time,
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Mar 27, 2024 12:11:48 GMT
Just looking through my achievements. How is it that only 8.8% of players have "Kill Two Birds with One Gnome"? It's a bonus action which can do damage to two enemies. I've got Karlach using this all the time, I've generally found it more effective to just hit things with large pieces of metal. I've never used Improvised Weapon, never mind using another creature to do so.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 27, 2024 22:54:41 GMT
But it's in addition to the metal swinging.
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