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Post by colfoley on Feb 28, 2024 1:59:39 GMT
R as in Rebirth? I suppose that is something I need to consider if/when I get along to playing the demo for the game. Remake. The first of the FFVII trilogy. Rebirth is the one releasing this week. It is likely very similar though, but I can’t say until the full game drops. Fascinating. I remember being vaguely frustrated by how ATB worked since it seemed like a really weird way to handle that sort of thing an oddly restrictive system where you just ran out of it with no real way to restock it. I guess the spell slots of D&D is also a pretty good one to one example to. But then I don't think I've ever considered it in these terms either.
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 28, 2024 2:16:51 GMT
Remake. The first of the FFVII trilogy. Rebirth is the one releasing this week. It is likely very similar though, but I can’t say until the full game drops. Fascinating. I remember being vaguely frustrated by how ATB worked since it seemed like a really weird way to handle that sort of thing an oddly restrictive system where you just ran out of it with no real way to restock it. I guess the spell slots of D&D is also a pretty good one to one example to. But then I don't think I've ever considered it in these terms either. In many ways, VIIR is s similar system to Inquisition: you can do normal attacks (and dodge/counters normally) but spells and abilities are tied to a gauge that fills. However, VIIR heavily uses a stagger system with a fairly complex affinity/weakness targeting and party switching… some of the most difficult bosses have to be strategically played or they will eat you alive. It’s one of the few games I will replay on its hardest difficulty because the systems are engaging. Very few real time action games are anywhere close to VIIR in my opinion. But, you can then play it on easy (or slap on gatterdamerung sp?!) and bitch slap everything to just enjoy the story. Surprised Square is the company that really nailed difficulty levels.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 28, 2024 2:33:29 GMT
Fascinating. I remember being vaguely frustrated by how ATB worked since it seemed like a really weird way to handle that sort of thing an oddly restrictive system where you just ran out of it with no real way to restock it. I guess the spell slots of D&D is also a pretty good one to one example to. But then I don't think I've ever considered it in these terms either. In many ways, VIIR is s similar system to Inquisition: you can do normal attacks (and dodge/counters normally) but spells and abilities are tied to a gauge that fills. However, VIIR heavily uses a stagger system with a fairly complex affinity/weakness targeting and party switching… some of the most difficult bosses have to be strategically played or they will eat you alive. It’s one of the few games I will replay on its hardest difficulty because the systems are engaging. Very few real time action games are anywhere close to VIIR in my opinion. But, you can then play it on easy (or slap on gatterdamerung sp?!) and bitch slap everything to just enjoy the story. Surprised Square is the company that really nailed difficulty levels. Fascinating. I played Remake on low difficulty because I did not expect to like the combat design because I expcted it to be closer to the original's turn based combat...and then it kind of became an issue where it wasn't jivving with me so I just kept it on easy because I just wanted to enjoy what was their in the story...and one of my complaints was it did seem kind of easy despite that. Only really had trouble in like three boss fights during the entire game and yeah just something I wanted to go with so its an interesting mind set to have. Of course it also sounds like that maybe they turn up the difficulty too much for me to handle which was kind of my fear to so not sure how much I will investigate on my own, but interesting perspective to have given my thoughts on the Remake's combat.
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 28, 2024 5:05:53 GMT
In many ways, VIIR is s similar system to Inquisition: you can do normal attacks (and dodge/counters normally) but spells and abilities are tied to a gauge that fills. However, VIIR heavily uses a stagger system with a fairly complex affinity/weakness targeting and party switching… some of the most difficult bosses have to be strategically played or they will eat you alive. It’s one of the few games I will replay on its hardest difficulty because the systems are engaging. Very few real time action games are anywhere close to VIIR in my opinion. But, you can then play it on easy (or slap on gatterdamerung sp?!) and bitch slap everything to just enjoy the story. Surprised Square is the company that really nailed difficulty levels. Fascinating. I played Remake on low difficulty because I did not expect to like the combat design because I expcted it to be closer to the original's turn based combat...and then it kind of became an issue where it wasn't jivving with me so I just kept it on easy because I just wanted to enjoy what was their in the story...and one of my complaints was it did seem kind of easy despite that. Only really had trouble in like three boss fights during the entire game and yeah just something I wanted to go with so its an interesting mind set to have. Of course it also sounds like that maybe they turn up the difficulty too much for me to handle which was kind of my fear to so not sure how much I will investigate on my own, but interesting perspective to have given my thoughts on the Remake's combat. It’s not really a make them a damage sponge and your characters weaker spike, but a spike of “affinity matters, proper materia/equipment set up matters, and paying attention to attacks matters”. And the only frustrating bosses (ie multiple runs likely) are Hell House and Absu… unless you tackle the superbosses (I hate you Bahamut and Weiss….. go away forever). But luckily, chapter selection post game with maxed everything can make it slightly less annoying. The only real gripe is the item/bench removal in the hardest mode. One needed to stay.
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Post by vonuber on Feb 28, 2024 9:15:46 GMT
The biggest turnoff for me of playing DA:I again is the combat, and it doesn't help there is so much of it.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Feb 28, 2024 22:12:31 GMT
The biggest turnoff for me of playing DA:I again is the combat, and it doesn't help there is so much of it.
Honestly for me, DAI has the best combat in the series.
DAO the combat is slow, dull, boring, and it's hard to control party members.
DA2 is bit too fast for me now of days (but that is life), but I still do like the idea of "thinking fast on your feet" approach though the execution leaves much to be desired. It's still more fun than than the combat in DAO but then watching paint dry is more fun that the combat in DAO.
DAI is a nice middle ground also it's the first game in the series that I actually like to play as a mage which is still my least favorite class in all of fantasy RPGs. Even in BG3 I hate playing as a mage and/or having to deal with mage companions is not fun for me. The combat in DAI is fun, challenging without being impossible to master, isn't headache inducing with the Inquisitor running, jumping, and spell casting around like the game is in fast forward mode or something and has enough variety in the classes to make each one a different playthrough. Is it perfect? No, but it's better than trying not to fall asleep in the middle of fighting undead in DAO (which has happened to me several times over the years) or getting a fucking headache trying to keep up with Hawke and company over the top antics.
Now I hate and still fucking hate that motherfucking god damn piece of shit real time War Table, something that MEA got 100% right and did better in every way.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 29, 2024 3:03:05 GMT
Fascinating. I played Remake on low difficulty because I did not expect to like the combat design because I expcted it to be closer to the original's turn based combat...and then it kind of became an issue where it wasn't jivving with me so I just kept it on easy because I just wanted to enjoy what was their in the story...and one of my complaints was it did seem kind of easy despite that. Only really had trouble in like three boss fights during the entire game and yeah just something I wanted to go with so its an interesting mind set to have. Of course it also sounds like that maybe they turn up the difficulty too much for me to handle which was kind of my fear to so not sure how much I will investigate on my own, but interesting perspective to have given my thoughts on the Remake's combat. It’s not really a make them a damage sponge and your characters weaker spike, but a spike of “affinity matters, proper materia/equipment set up matters, and paying attention to attacks matters”. And the only frustrating bosses (ie multiple runs likely) are Hell House and Absu… unless you tackle the superbosses (I hate you Bahamut and Weiss….. go away forever). But luckily, chapter selection post game with maxed everything can make it slightly less annoying. The only real gripe is the item/bench removal in the hardest mode. One needed to stay.
Items should have stayed, things like Phoenix Down are so integral to the setting having a difficulty that basically removed them felt off. Sure you technically had them you just could not use them. It kind of removed some of the feeling of it being a final fantasy. Still it was maybe the most fun I've had in a ARPG combat system. I really had to plan out some of the VR boss fights.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 29, 2024 8:01:18 GMT
The biggest turnoff for me of playing DA:I again is the combat, and it doesn't help there is so much of it.
Honestly for me, DAI has the best combat in the series.
DAO the combat is slow, dull, boring, and it's hard to control party members.
DA2 is bit too fast for me now of days (but that is life), but I still do like the idea of "thinking fast on your feet" approach though the execution leaves much to be desired. It's still more fun than than the combat in DAO but then watching paint dry is more fun that the combat in DAO.
DAI is a nice middle ground also it's the first game in the series that I actually like to play as a mage which is still my least favorite class in all of fantasy RPGs. Even in BG3 I hate playing as a mage and/or having to deal with mage companions is not fun for me. The combat in DAI is fun, challenging without being impossible to master, isn't headache inducing with the Inquisitor running, jumping, and spell casting around like the game is in fast forward mode or something and has enough variety in the classes to make each one a different playthrough. Is it perfect? No, but it's better than trying not to fall asleep in the middle of fighting undead in DAO (which has happened to me several times over the years) or getting a fucking headache trying to keep up with Hawke and company over the top antics.
Now I hate and still fucking hate that motherfucking god damn piece of shit real time War Table, something that MEA got 100% right and did better in every way.
I can't say Origins combat ever put me to sleep but other then that I really agree. DAOs problem was it tended to have a few very tanky baddies running around that took a while to kill. This problem was exasperated by the really silly defensive metrics and how they handled it. Just standing there in the middle of a hallway and *miss* *miss* *miss* *miss* without any real control or input by the player and on top of it it never made sense given that it was the enemies defensive rating which made it work. DA 2 meanwhile just had way too many bad guys in any one encounter and they just kept coming...and coming...and coming...and coming. Till the point fi you did die in an enocunter you just had to go back to the beginning of the enocunter and have to do it all over again. DAI meanwhile was the perfect balance between these two concepts...other then maybe a few bosses and there were occasional moments where if you didn't have the right gear you could lag behind but most of your combat encounters, except for a few really noteworthy ones...especially in the DLCs...were purely on the squad level. Your four man team versus like maybe a 10 man team or something like that. If that. And you could easily build your characters where your basic mooks could go down in a few hits most of the time. I even got my Inquisitor to the point where she could one hit some of the game in the...game...if she got a critcal hit. And things like Mark of Death could really be used to even help bring down some bosses very quickly. Yeah, had its issues but pound for pound bases...best user control over your character's builds, best balance of mook size and health...Inquisition was indeed the best.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Mar 1, 2024 12:03:27 GMT
Pretty much this, yeah. The it's raining men thing in DA2 in what was a pretty superficial action system, and the trying to appease tactical fans in DA:I when they in hindsight should have just gone straight action. I for one am really glad they didn't. I enjoyed DAI a lot and wouldn't have been able to had they gone all action. I used zoom out and pause all the time, every single combat including all the trash ones.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 1, 2024 13:37:04 GMT
ah yes, combat in DA. I agree with the poster above. DAO combat was a bit slow, but I didn't mind. DA2 combat took steroids. It was a step too fast for me. In regards to the enemies jumping out of nowhere. What really happened is they all joined the 82nd Airborne unit. A C17 would fly over Kirkwall circling around until Hawke showed up. Then the baddies would parachute out of the plane releasing their chute before reaching the edge of the player's screen. DAI combat I liked. A good balance of the previous two games. Hopefully the next game will be similar to the combat of DAI.
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Post by wickedcool on Mar 5, 2024 16:30:23 GMT
Just watched a da2 video on fools gold. This is basically where dai failed
Fools gold to rescue all or some of the dwarves has multiple options/endings alone. It shows how much effort went into this tiny quest. This is Bg3 quality and this was dumped in dai
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Post by dis_Op2399 on Apr 30, 2024 22:27:15 GMT
Now that the dust has settled somewhat on BG3 I find my opinion on it a bit divided. Some of that is being an Early Access burn out, I put roughly 300 hours in before the game released proper (albeit over nearly 3 years). I think my biggest gripe is the pace. The city should have been Act 2 and something like the Shadowlands should have been the final Act. DOS2 had a similar problem with pacing, but if anything it's worse in BG3. The city is both trying to be the chill out and take a breath place, where you can enjoy a proper inn and some goofy circus stuff, but also it's the end of the world and an army is at the gates and a blood crazed shapeshifter is kidnapping your party members. This messy tone is all over the game, talk to the cwute animals one minute but the next here's a child being murdered. It just feels muddled. Granted some of that is about freedom and non-linearity, which is a good thing, and nor would I want a purely dour or upbeat tone, but I think the Dragon Age games generally just handle tone consistency a little better.
Characters I give to Dragon Age. I just don't particularly care for BG3's characters, and there's too few of them. At least when you consider Jaheira and Halsin are Act 3 only and Minsc is basically an extended cameo. Minthara doesn't have much content, especially on a neutral run. During early access we knew that Karlach was coming, but there was a bit of a presumption on my part that we'd get a bunch of morally good companions on release, but in the end it was just Karlach. And they gutted Wyll, the character I was most keen to see progress. Makes you wonder what you might've missed if a DA game had ever been early access experienced. I'm only really interested in romance options if they give good lore, and Gale had some stuff going on with the Netheril connection, but it just felt like tidbits. Makes something like the Solas romance across into Trespasser look epic in comparison. Some of that FreeLC with new endings from Larian recently was nice though. Cynically you could call adding that in 5 months later "live service" but whatever, it was free at least.
Dark Urge was too edgy for my blood. I did genuinely enjoy Jaheira though, even if it was only for Act 3. By no means were the companions bad, but something feels off at times. It's almost like you can see the game's wheels turning at times. I'm replaying DA2 at the moment and it occurred to me how, for example, having Fenris with you during Arishok and qun scenes and he just fluidly joins the conversation to offer translations and insights. I feel like BG3 never has strong control of group dialogue scenes in such a seemingly effortless way. All that said, the BG3 performances and mocap nuances coming through, plus all the animal animation and NPC banter that Larian do so well, it's really a joy to behold.
Gameplay is simple answer, Larian knock it out of the park. Their encounter design is just phenomenal. The depth of builds, while being true to 5e rules afaik, expands so well with unique gear effects and a just rich enough exploration-reward system. Dragon Age's encounter design has ranged from serviceable (Origins), to open world (Inquisition), to non-existent (DA2). I know it's considered terribly gauche in the Dragon Age fandom to talk about the combat, but I would like it if DA4 could do what BG3 did and make me wake up in the middle of the night thinking about build ideas. Dragon Age can do its RTwP + settiting up companion tactics well though, and it's a very different beast for that. I still have some hope it can evolve well, even if people's definitions of "action RPG" differ from mine. All that's without even getting into BG3's batshit "kill an enemy with a salami at 200ft" stuff that you can multiplay with the bros. It's no wonder it did so well. None of that multiplayer stuff harms the single player narrative game either. It's kind of win-win that way.
For soundtrack BG3 joins DAI's soundtrack as one of my all time favs, the GOATs. Both are too great to compare.
Overall world and story goes to Dragon Age. I'm not a tabletop D&D player, nor familiar with Forgotten Realms. I caught up on lore in the prelude to BG3, and while there's a lot of great stuff there like Netheril history that you get bits of in BG3, it's nothing to where Dragon Age is now in terms of videogame suspense and NEED TO KNOW mysteries and old magics. How soulful the series has rendered those tropes is what makes it special for me. BG3 is an anarchic and absurdly fun videogame, but I wish it could do what Dragon Age did and make me wake up in the middle of the night thinking about lore.
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Post by ahglock on May 2, 2024 15:04:49 GMT
Now that the dust has settled somewhat on BG3 I find my opinion on it a bit divided. Some of that is being an Early Access burn out, I put roughly 300 hours in before the game released proper (albeit over nearly 3 years). I think my biggest gripe is the pace. The city should have been Act 2 and something like the Shadowlands should have been the final Act. DOS2 had a similar problem with pacing, but if anything it's worse in BG3. The city is both trying to be the chill out and take a breath place, where you can enjoy a proper inn and some goofy circus stuff, but also it's the end of the world and an army is at the gates and a blood crazed shapeshifter is kidnapping your party members. This messy tone is all over the game, talk to the cwute animals one minute but the next here's a child being murdered. It just feels muddled. Granted some of that is about freedom and non-linearity, which is a good thing, and nor would I want a purely dour or upbeat tone, but I think the Dragon Age games generally just handle tone consistency a little better. Characters I give to Dragon Age. I just don't particularly care for BG3's characters, and there's too few of them. At least when you consider Jaheira and Halsin are Act 3 only and Minsc is basically an extended cameo. Minthara doesn't have much content, especially on a neutral run. During early access we knew that Karlach was coming, but there was a bit of a presumption on my part that we'd get a bunch of morally good companions on release, but in the end it was just Karlach. And they gutted Wyll, the character I was most keen to see progress. Makes you wonder what you might've missed if a DA game had ever been early access experienced. I'm only really interested in romance options if they give good lore, and Gale had some stuff going on with the Netheril connection, but it just felt like tidbits. Makes something like the Solas romance across into Trespasser look epic in comparison. Some of that FreeLC with new endings from Larian recently was nice though. Cynically you could call adding that in 5 months later "live service" but whatever, it was free at least. Dark Urge was too edgy for my blood. I did genuinely enjoy Jaheira though, even if it was only for Act 3. By no means were the companions bad, but something feels off at times. It's almost like you can see the game's wheels turning at times. I'm replaying DA2 at the moment and it occurred to me how, for example, having Fenris with you during Arishok and qun scenes and he just fluidly joins the conversation to offer translations and insights. I feel like BG3 never has strong control of group dialogue scenes in such a seemingly effortless way. All that said, the BG3 performances and mocap nuances coming through, plus all the animal animation and NPC banter that Larian do so well, it's really a joy to behold. Gameplay is simple answer, Larian knock it out of the park. Their encounter design is just phenomenal. The depth of builds, while being true to 5e rules afaik, expands so well with unique gear effects and a just rich enough exploration-reward system. Dragon Age's encounter design has ranged from serviceable (Origins), to open world (Inquisition), to non-existent (DA2). I know it's considered terribly gauche in the Dragon Age fandom to talk about the combat, but I would like it if DA4 could do what BG3 did and make me wake up in the middle of the night thinking about build ideas. Dragon Age can do its RTwP + settiting up companion tactics well though, and it's a very different beast for that. I still have some hope it can evolve well, even if people's definitions of "action RPG" differ from mine. All that's without even getting into BG3's batshit "kill an enemy with a salami at 200ft" stuff that you can multiplay with the bros. It's no wonder it did so well. None of that multiplayer stuff harms the single player narrative game either. It's kind of win-win that way. For soundtrack BG3 joins DAI's soundtrack as one of my all time favs, the GOATs. Both are too great to compare. Overall world and story goes to Dragon Age. I'm not a tabletop D&D player, nor familiar with Forgotten Realms. I caught up on lore in the prelude to BG3, and while there's a lot of great stuff there like Netheril history that you get bits of in BG3, it's nothing to where Dragon Age is now in terms of videogame suspense and NEED TO KNOW mysteries and old magics. How soulful the series has rendered those tropes is what makes it special for me. BG3 is an anarchic and absurdly fun videogame, but I wish it could do what Dragon Age did and make me wake up in the middle of the night thinking about lore.
I agree with pretty much all of this, the game play with encounter design though I think comes down to it being turn based. The game is really small, if it were a action game non speed runs would be like 2 hours of game play with 100 hours of cut scenes. But with a turn based game people take longer for each fight, take longer to just walk from point A to point B, take longer to check out a room.(especially with how perception checks work) This means though they can spend the time in that smaller map making it incredible dense, every encounter will have it tricks and gimmicks, they can make every encounter special because unlike in a action game you aren't having 400 of them you have like 20 per act.
It is something the dragon age team will have to deal with. The faster the combat the more combats you s need, and therefore the less effort you can put into each fight. They will probably try and split the difference, make most fights quick and meaningless effectively a random encounter, but make sure story point fights have more meat to them.
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Post by wickedcool on May 2, 2024 15:18:52 GMT
Ahglock-I like your review and I agree on a lot of your points
Waking up for builds-I do it all the time Lore- both dai and Bg3 you stumble over a book or mosaic etc. it bugs me the developers put these there and sometimes there’s no follow up or mention
Dai there wasn’t much downtime or I guess it’s similar to dai. Dai you get the haven celebration which quickly turns into an attack
Da4 has big shoes to fill. Bg3 won every award and I mean every award and more than 1/2 my gamer friends don’t know or have never played these games
Fallout tv show shocked me on how many people are now going back to play both the video games and the rpg. Dragon age could use a fallout moment
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Post by witchcocktor on May 2, 2024 21:33:25 GMT
Now that the dust has settled somewhat on BG3 I find my opinion on it a bit divided. Some of that is being an Early Access burn out, I put roughly 300 hours in before the game released proper (albeit over nearly 3 years). I think my biggest gripe is the pace. The city should have been Act 2 and something like the Shadowlands should have been the final Act. DOS2 had a similar problem with pacing, but if anything it's worse in BG3. The city is both trying to be the chill out and take a breath place, where you can enjoy a proper inn and some goofy circus stuff, but also it's the end of the world and an army is at the gates and a blood crazed shapeshifter is kidnapping your party members. This messy tone is all over the game, talk to the cwute animals one minute but the next here's a child being murdered. It just feels muddled. Granted some of that is about freedom and non-linearity, which is a good thing, and nor would I want a purely dour or upbeat tone, but I think the Dragon Age games generally just handle tone consistency a little better. Characters I give to Dragon Age. I just don't particularly care for BG3's characters, and there's too few of them. At least when you consider Jaheira and Halsin are Act 3 only and Minsc is basically an extended cameo. Minthara doesn't have much content, especially on a neutral run. During early access we knew that Karlach was coming, but there was a bit of a presumption on my part that we'd get a bunch of morally good companions on release, but in the end it was just Karlach. And they gutted Wyll, the character I was most keen to see progress. Makes you wonder what you might've missed if a DA game had ever been early access experienced. I'm only really interested in romance options if they give good lore, and Gale had some stuff going on with the Netheril connection, but it just felt like tidbits. Makes something like the Solas romance across into Trespasser look epic in comparison. Some of that FreeLC with new endings from Larian recently was nice though. Cynically you could call adding that in 5 months later "live service" but whatever, it was free at least. Dark Urge was too edgy for my blood. I did genuinely enjoy Jaheira though, even if it was only for Act 3. By no means were the companions bad, but something feels off at times. It's almost like you can see the game's wheels turning at times. I'm replaying DA2 at the moment and it occurred to me how, for example, having Fenris with you during Arishok and qun scenes and he just fluidly joins the conversation to offer translations and insights. I feel like BG3 never has strong control of group dialogue scenes in such a seemingly effortless way. All that said, the BG3 performances and mocap nuances coming through, plus all the animal animation and NPC banter that Larian do so well, it's really a joy to behold. Gameplay is simple answer, Larian knock it out of the park. Their encounter design is just phenomenal. The depth of builds, while being true to 5e rules afaik, expands so well with unique gear effects and a just rich enough exploration-reward system. Dragon Age's encounter design has ranged from serviceable (Origins), to open world (Inquisition), to non-existent (DA2). I know it's considered terribly gauche in the Dragon Age fandom to talk about the combat, but I would like it if DA4 could do what BG3 did and make me wake up in the middle of the night thinking about build ideas. Dragon Age can do its RTwP + settiting up companion tactics well though, and it's a very different beast for that. I still have some hope it can evolve well, even if people's definitions of "action RPG" differ from mine. All that's without even getting into BG3's batshit "kill an enemy with a salami at 200ft" stuff that you can multiplay with the bros. It's no wonder it did so well. None of that multiplayer stuff harms the single player narrative game either. It's kind of win-win that way. For soundtrack BG3 joins DAI's soundtrack as one of my all time favs, the GOATs. Both are too great to compare. Overall world and story goes to Dragon Age. I'm not a tabletop D&D player, nor familiar with Forgotten Realms. I caught up on lore in the prelude to BG3, and while there's a lot of great stuff there like Netheril history that you get bits of in BG3, it's nothing to where Dragon Age is now in terms of videogame suspense and NEED TO KNOW mysteries and old magics. How soulful the series has rendered those tropes is what makes it special for me. BG3 is an anarchic and absurdly fun videogame, but I wish it could do what Dragon Age did and make me wake up in the middle of the night thinking about lore. Pretty much agreed with all of this. BG3, as good as it is, doesn't present a very immersive RPG world with boatloads of interesting lore that'll keep people talking for ages. It's immersive in its gameplay and freedom of choice, absolutely, but the world itself I found quite uninteresting. One big thing that makes a huge difference in how the world and lore are presented in BG3 and DAI is the choices you make. The choices you make BG3 affect the world and your gameplay in a wonderful way, giving you lots of replayability and potential for future runs, but overall the (big) choices boil down to good vs evil. The choices in DA:I, while they don't affect the gameplay as much which is a shame, there aren't really any '' right '' answers to the choices you make, and you really have to justify why your character would choose the things they do, because the choices usually aren't just a black and white good or bad. You really have to immerse yourself into the world and your character in order to make an informed decision, and that really adds to the immersion. I encountered very little of this in BG3.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 2, 2024 23:36:02 GMT
Pretty much agreed with all of this. BG3, as good as it is, doesn't present a very immersive RPG world with boatloads of interesting lore that'll keep people talking for ages. It's immersive in its gameplay and freedom of choice, absolutely, but the world itself I found quite uninteresting. One big thing that makes a huge difference in how the world and lore are presented in BG3 and DAI is the choices you make. The choices you make BG3 affect the world and your gameplay in a wonderful way, giving you lots of replayability and potential for future runs, but overall the (big) choices boil down to good vs evil. The choices in DA:I, while they don't affect the gameplay as much which is a shame, there aren't really any '' right '' answers to the choices you make, and you really have to justify why your character would choose the things they do, because the choices usually aren't just a black and white good or bad. You really have to immerse yourself into the world and your character in order to make an informed decision, and that really adds to the immersion. I encountered very little of this in BG3. BG3 (while a masterpiece of a game in many ways) is held back in that respect by taking place in the Forgotten Realms, a kitchen sink fantasy setting where Good and Evil objectively exist. Even if Larian wanted to do something more interesting with the lore, both the drag from decades of history and Hasbro oversight inevitably limit the possibilities. Thedas is also a collection of fantasy clichés, but at least the Dragon Age writers got to pick which ones they wanted to engage with instead of having to fit literally all of them into the same world even if it means jamming disparate elements in with a crow bar. They can also take advantage of a sense of mystery that is long, long gone from the Forgotten Realms. At this point these boards have spent ten years speculating about things like the nature of the Titans and the identity of the Forgotten Ones, I don't think anything in the BG3 lore could fuel ten days of discussion.
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Post by fairdragon on May 3, 2024 7:44:34 GMT
Pretty much agreed with all of this. BG3, as good as it is, doesn't present a very immersive RPG world with boatloads of interesting lore that'll keep people talking for ages. It's immersive in its gameplay and freedom of choice, absolutely, but the world itself I found quite uninteresting. One big thing that makes a huge difference in how the world and lore are presented in BG3 and DAI is the choices you make. The choices you make BG3 affect the world and your gameplay in a wonderful way, giving you lots of replayability and potential for future runs, but overall the (big) choices boil down to good vs evil. The choices in DA:I, while they don't affect the gameplay as much which is a shame, there aren't really any '' right '' answers to the choices you make, and you really have to justify why your character would choose the things they do, because the choices usually aren't just a black and white good or bad. You really have to immerse yourself into the world and your character in order to make an informed decision, and that really adds to the immersion. I encountered very little of this in BG3. BG3 (while a masterpiece of a game in many ways) is held back in that respect by taking place in the Forgotten Realms, a kitchen sink fantasy setting where Good and Evil objectively exist. Even if Larian wanted to do something more interesting with the lore, both the drag from decades of history and Hasbro oversight inevitably limit the possibilities. Thedas is also a collection of fantasy clichés, but at least the Dragon Age writers got to pick which ones they wanted to engage with instead of having to fit literally all of them into the same world even if it means jamming disparate elements in with a crow bar. They can also take advantage of a sense of mystery that is long, long gone from the Forgotten Realms. At this point these boards have spent ten years speculating about things like the nature of the Titans and the identity of the Forgotten Ones, I don't think anything in the BG3 lore could fuel ten days of discussion. I think the problem is: That Larian try so hard not to give a good vs evil story. If they would have gone with the setting and play with clichés, that would have been so much better. It would also be better if you couldn't kill every NPC. Then the story could been written with more influence in some parts. Also the Conection to BG hurt more than it helps.
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Post by wickedcool on May 3, 2024 13:06:44 GMT
Ok maybe I’m misremembering dai
Where is this neutral tone you are talking about. We have less grey choices in dai than in Bg3. I don’t remember these choices -the ballroom dance? No offense but that might be the best one in the game. The best outcome or the perfect dance is literally ask your dance partner well what do you think. This by the way pales in comparison the the dwarf king choice in origins. If you play the dwarf noble origin it’s far more impactful. The dai relationship between the queen and spy stinks compared to the novel
What are the grand choices in dai. You take out Cory or you don’t because you turned off game You say the right things to Leilani to choose the head of church. No offense but the dialogue on how you pick this is weak sauce You do enough mini approval quests to get a special companion scene (black wall) . Meanwhile astarion or every other Bg3 companion will stop me and say hey how about you do this or I’m doing this (literally you have companions fight each other over goals)
In regards to the giants. Basically introduced in a dlc and it’s just fandom wanting more but the writers have given us very little
Darkspawn lore is all over the place-they literally invent new stuff game to game unlike dungeons and dragons which has mostly 50 years of lore
The novel tie ins- not sure who else read them but now we have a mutant god thing that can turn darkspawn etc into scorpion like creatures etc
The demons and creatures behind the veil for he most part have been nerfed. There are 2 plus major demons in Bg3 and I’m sorry are far more interesting than the dai ones.
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Post by colfoley on May 3, 2024 19:28:59 GMT
Ok maybe I’m misremembering dai Where is this neutral tone you are talking about. We have less grey choices in dai than in Bg3. I don’t remember these choices -the ballroom dance? No offense but that might be the best one in the game. The best outcome or the perfect dance is literally ask your dance partner well what do you think. This by the way pales in comparison the the dwarf king choice in origins. If you play the dwarf noble origin it’s far more impactful. The dai relationship between the queen and spy stinks compared to the novel What are the grand choices in dai. You take out Cory or you don’t because you turned off game You say the right things to Leilani to choose the head of church. No offense but the dialogue on how you pick this is weak sauce You do enough mini approval quests to get a special companion scene (black wall) . Meanwhile astarion or every other Bg3 companion will stop me and say hey how about you do this or I’m doing this (literally you have companions fight each other over goals) In regards to the giants. Basically introduced in a dlc and it’s just fandom wanting more but the writers have given us very little Darkspawn lore is all over the place-they literally invent new stuff game to game unlike dungeons and dragons which has mostly 50 years of lore The novel tie ins- not sure who else read them but now we have a mutant god thing that can turn darkspawn etc into scorpion like creatures etc The demons and creatures behind the veil for he most part have been nerfed. There are 2 plus major demons in Bg3 and I’m sorry are far more interesting than the dai ones. The Mage/Templar choice. The servitude/ Alliance choice. The Warden Choice. The Hawke/ Stroud choice The Briala/Gaspard/ Celene choice. The 'who drinks from the well' choice. Virtually every single courtroom decision. All of them morally gray. All of them had an effect on the story, world, gameplay. Pretty much all of them has interesting long term story implications which has changed the face of Thedas forever. As far as the Titans are concerned that was told in DLC. Of course they aren't going to give us a lot of info in a DLC given how they tend to be viewed as bonus expansions that not everyone buys.
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Post by ahglock on May 4, 2024 2:06:27 GMT
Ok maybe I’m misremembering dai Where is this neutral tone you are talking about. We have less grey choices in dai than in Bg3. I don’t remember these choices -the ballroom dance? No offense but that might be the best one in the game. The best outcome or the perfect dance is literally ask your dance partner well what do you think. This by the way pales in comparison the the dwarf king choice in origins. If you play the dwarf noble origin it’s far more impactful. The dai relationship between the queen and spy stinks compared to the novel What are the grand choices in dai. You take out Cory or you don’t because you turned off game You say the right things to Leilani to choose the head of church. No offense but the dialogue on how you pick this is weak sauce You do enough mini approval quests to get a special companion scene (black wall) . Meanwhile astarion or every other Bg3 companion will stop me and say hey how about you do this or I’m doing this (literally you have companions fight each other over goals) In regards to the giants. Basically introduced in a dlc and it’s just fandom wanting more but the writers have given us very little Darkspawn lore is all over the place-they literally invent new stuff game to game unlike dungeons and dragons which has mostly 50 years of lore The novel tie ins- not sure who else read them but now we have a mutant god thing that can turn darkspawn etc into scorpion like creatures etc The demons and creatures behind the veil for he most part have been nerfed. There are 2 plus major demons in Bg3 and I’m sorry are far more interesting than the dai ones.
Compared to BG3 choices which were 99% of the time,
1. Sure I'll help you because Im not a total dirt bag. 2. I'd help you if you pay me enough. 3. help you, no i will murder you for no discernible reason.
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Post by wickedcool on May 4, 2024 2:42:29 GMT
99% of those choices had 0 impact on the game
Celene/gaspard- unlike dao there’s 0 impact on the end battle. They aren’t in the final battle
The warden-is keep choice from previous games. Hey I altered it to see and it’s cool but only hardcore dao etc care. They are barely in the game to care. Hey I’m hoping we see hawke in dreadwolfe or the warden but it’s total fan hope. They have given us nothing
The well-it’s another we shall see but didn’t have any impact in the dlc. Morrigan isn’t in it and not mentioned again
The haven battle-I’ve probably played it 100 times. The head of the mages shows up if you side with Templars. Not a whiff of dialogue . Not even a cutscene . Nobody if you choose mages
There is a smidge of an impact on court cases and the biggest is solas disapproval but only impacts if you don’t have high approval
99% of the thedas population doesn’t care if your qun elf etc and has minimum impact in the game. Had a lot more impact in dao. Now Bg3 has impact Drow-lots of roleplaying The durge-wow Duergar-some 1/2 elf, Dragonborn some Druid class-some Paladin-tons Bard-tons
You kill a companion bg3 and there’s impact. Some will leave. I kill bull or let black wall die etc there’s none. Only if I do enough acts will some leave
Combat in dai great. Not disputing has great lore but the rpg elements were the weakest in the 3. They cut a lot of corners to make the engine work
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Post by Walter Black on May 4, 2024 15:40:59 GMT
Just watched a da2 video on fools gold. This is basically where dai failed Fools gold to rescue all or some of the dwarves has multiple options/endings alone. It shows how much effort went into this tiny quest. This is Bg3 quality and this was dumped in dai Never played that one. Do they explain why it prohibits you from meeting Nathaniel in Act 3?
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Post by wickedcool on May 4, 2024 21:11:46 GMT
Totally agree Walter. It’s funny because t bg3 dwarves actually like ok more like dao/da2 dwarves. Food gold had the immersion and multiple endings
The npcs in dai outside the companions stink .
Another thing that dai took away believe it or not was shopping. There are more vendors in act 2 of Bg3 than the entire dai game plus dlc. I love collecting loot and trading with vendors for arrows or potions etc. the first halfling vendor has more personality than every vendor in dai and that was lost compared to even origins. The problem also is say you find a vendor in dai and they have one line. You go back there next time and they don’t even repeat the line
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Post by witchcocktor on May 4, 2024 23:50:37 GMT
You kill a companion bg3 and there’s impact. Some will leave. I kill bull or let black wall die etc there’s none. Only if I do enough acts will some leave Combat in dai great. Not disputing has great lore but the rpg elements were the weakest in the 3. They cut a lot of corners to make the engine work I think you are overselling it quite a bit. I killed Shadowheart in Act 2 and none of my companions said ANYTHING AT ALL about it. Not one line of dialogue. I let Orin kill Lae'zel in Act 3, Astarion approved and I think Karlach and Wyll disapproved, but nobody mentioned it further and there was no dialogue about it. BG3 is pretty rough when it comes to companions acknowledging things as well.
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Post by colfoley on May 5, 2024 1:15:50 GMT
I can't be sure since I've never done it but given that companions approve and dissaprove of every single other court decision it would be extremly bizarre if they didn't react to Blackwall being offed in the courtroom.
And this may be a vagery of language but there is still legions of difference between something not having impact and something, in someone's opinion, not having enough impact and something having an impact I didn't like. Again not to get too much into the weeds on this but every single one of the decisions I mentioned above had implact throughout the game and came up again in varying ways.
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