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Post by wickedcool on May 16, 2024 15:37:15 GMT
The warden basically drinks medicine that a percentage survive and you connect to darkspawn.
The Bg3 hero gets a worm in their eye that connects them to the bad things and there is an equivalent of a Flemith type that intervenes to help you
Just like more than 1/2 the companions in the dragon age universe have their own motivations to help you . Some of you don’t have the right dialogue will attempt to even kill you
Zevran-I like him but honestly I didn’t know I could recruit him and killed him my first playthrough Wynn-almost killed her Bull-first time dlc stunned when he attempted to kill me Solas-could potentially be the next big villian and yes he’s nice once you get to know him but honestly I bet 1/2 casual gamers don’t like him Varric- insane how many petitions to kill this guy when he’s the most loyal of all next to allistair
Dragon age takes a lot of work just like Bg3 to like these people. Shadowheart and gale are amazing companions once you get to know them etc
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 13, 2024 12:19:50 GMT
Apparently, you're only allowed to play one or the other. Says PC Gamer.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jun 13, 2024 12:45:26 GMT
I really wish people would stop this. I like BG3, I like DA. So far, I have no reason to believe I will not enjoy DA:tV. Even if it turned out to be the best game I’ve ever played, It would not ruin what I got out of BG3.
If it sells well, it’ll help get the point across that SP games are worth the investment. We want that. Good games are good news for everybody.
Besides, BG3 was last year, they don’t even have to compete for the same awards and whatnot. There really is no need to make this a competition.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jun 13, 2024 13:31:49 GMT
Pc gamer has dummies trying to get some attention is what it is. They’ve had the need to do like 3 different DA4 articles all being negative without being neutral for something that’s not out yet while then making that dumb*** comparison to dragon age 4 “already existing” with BG3. If that’s not clear bias then idk what is. It’s why I don’t listen to gaming journos cause they don’t give stuff a chance that they don’t want to. Which is fine until it’s your job not to be that way.
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Post by wickedcool on Jun 13, 2024 14:20:48 GMT
I think it’s fair. It’s what we do in society
Non gaming. Sports team compared to a team that 1 it years ago. Tom Brady compared to the greatest. Old Star Wars compared to new and what’s greater Star Wars or Star Trek
Bg3 is considered to be 1 of the greatest RPGs ever. Many in the industry were disappointed in dai. The trailer got poor reviews with comparisons to Fortnite graphic styles
For me i want da4 to be praised like Bg3. This could be a great game but guess what if it doesn’t sell its over
I don’t want da4 to be attacked for being an inclusive game but other than that it’s all fair.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 13, 2024 14:36:44 GMT
I really wish people would stop this. I like BG3, I like DA. So far, I have no reason to believe I will not enjoy DA:tV. Even if it turned out to be the best game I’ve ever played, It would not ruin what I got out of BG3. If it sells well, it’ll help get the point across that SP games are worth the investment. We want that. Good games are good news for everybody. Besides, BG3 was last year, they don’t even have to compete for the same awards and whatnot. There really is no need to make this a competition. Yeash I'veno tbeaten BG3 but I d olike i t and i tdeserved th eaccoloades bu tjournos hav et oermember tha tDA an dBG3 are different entities thast reall y onl yhave 2 htings in common. That they'er both RPG's an dthey'r'e both hav emagic an ddragons an dwha thav eyou .Evreythin gels ei sdifferent BG3 is a tactical RPG Dragon Age has always been moer o fan Action RPG tha thasalways hadstuff like tactical pause for when you need t oissue commands to your comrades. Whils t I don't kno wif I'll like Veilguard as much as Inquisition I feel tha tI owe i ta tleast a chance based of what I'v eseen becaus ewhilst I was concerned abou tthe speed o fcomba tthey have at leas ttried t okeep accessbility in mind by givin gus lik estory mode difficulty and such lik ethat. As this is one hting I've always admired about Biowaer's games in tha tyou ca npla ythem and tweak them topla yhow yo uwant an dthe genera lmechanics that Bioware's RPG's use once you understand them mak eth egames relatively straihgtforward and fun to play. I will adm t hough I do lik ethe graphics and the hair and evreything so lookin gforward t oseeing the CC in fact once I see that Ican definitel ysee mysel fgivin gthem my money
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 13, 2024 14:46:22 GMT
I think it’s fair. It’s what we do in society Non gaming. Sports team compared to a team that 1 it years ago. Tom Brady compared to the greatest. Old Star Wars compared to new and what’s greater Star Wars or Star Trek Bg3 is considered to be 1 of the greatest RPGs ever. Many in the industry were disappointed in dai. The trailer got poor reviews with comparisons to Fortnite graphic styles For me i want da4 to be praised like Bg3. This could be a great game but guess what if it doesn’t sell its over I don’t want da4 to be attacked for being an inclusive game but other than that it’s all fair. Yeah I've just come to hte conclusion tbh that if this is the end for Biowaer after Veilguard I'll just continue to enjoy the games the yhave produced .I d ohop ethey give us an offline version o fth ekeep though given Veilguard won' t be using it. As e need tha ta tleast fo rInquisition as e know there aer stor ythreads tha tcros over from the first 2 games into Inqusition suc ha swhether Morrigan's child Kieran exists o rno t an dstuff like that. Those choices can onl ybe put in off the keep
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Post by wickedcool on Jun 13, 2024 16:48:01 GMT
I do Hope we get more resolutions in this game and we get cameos maybe explaining what we missed
I can’t understand the big tease for veteran da players. Bg3 there are cameos from other games and they give us some good nuggets
Dai we meet morrigan and we meet potentially our kid. Rumors etc etc give us the feeling that maybe the warden could be at the same keep that the warden/hawke will investigate once they leave you after the fade (1 survives no matter what) .
At this point dao is 15 years old while dai is 10 years old. I think it’s time to put the bs to bed. Instead I think we are going to get another tease. How do I know (the griffon) is most likely tied to weissaupt and that where the “contact” was last seen
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Post by dagless on Jun 14, 2024 20:45:49 GMT
Rather than talk about BG3 vs DA, I’d like to say a few words about what they have in common.
Back in the day DAO was hailed as the spiritual successor to BG1 & BG2. Bioware took a lot of what they did in the BG games and put it in their own world, built a 3D engine, added all the dialogue and cutscenes, etc, etc. Not unlike going from KOTOR to Mass Effect.
BG3 is the actual successor to BG1 & BG2, but in many ways also the spiritual successor to DA. Larian did there own thing of course, with all the ways you can approach things, the interacting systems, making every mundane utility spell in D&D useful, etc. But the DA influence is all over it, particularly DAO. From the campsite chats, to starting a flirty cut scene covered in blood.
The big thing though is the companion relationships. I see so much Bioware in BG3. It’s easy to have companions tied to side quests, romancable or otherwise. What Bioware did so well was make them feel so tied to the whole journey. Most notably Alistair and Morrigan in DAO where your relationship has real end game implications. BG3 felt very similar to me for many characters.
Someone said earlier that you can shag some of the characters really early and easily. This is true, but the relationships with those characters still evolve throughout the game. And how that turns out depends on the things you do. Many of the characters can be nudged towards redemption or being power hungry bastards. Also, it took me most the game to get into Shadowheart’s pants.
I hope that Bioware have being paying attention to all the praise for BG3. The main lesson being “that’s what everyone used to love about us”. Despite recent stumbles, I hope they haven’t lost it.
I don’t actually doubt they’ll do a decent job with companions, but that can’t be everything. They also need all the other characters, the side quests, the choices, the exploration, etc. All the RPG fundamentals.
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Post by TheInvoker on Jun 14, 2024 21:33:31 GMT
Let's also compare Fifa with Tomb Raider
what i can say is that Veilguard seems much more similar to Inquisition than BG3 was to BG2
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Post by jediguardian on Jun 15, 2024 2:58:47 GMT
I can enjoy both Action RPG and Turn base RPG but Baldur's gate3 is just too hard for me.
I have to stop play the game around act3 because I feel too exhaust.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 15, 2024 3:17:17 GMT
What you're saying is subjective as well. To some of us, BG3's approach to romance is far more liberating. Not to say you're wrong, of course, but it's subjective on which approach one likes best. Overall true, but the not subjective part is DA has more options for people than BG3 does. I can play as someone with my orientation in the former but not the latter. Oh, the irony of this post now that we know that in DAV there’s no romances that have Ace relationships.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 15, 2024 18:33:05 GMT
I can enjoy both Action RPG and Turn base RPG but Baldur's gate3 is just too hard for me. I have to stop play the game around act3 because I feel too exhaust. Yeah I enjo yboth types Midnight Suns was m yfavouriet gam eo f2022 fo rexample an d I reall yenjo ythe X comm games. I recentl yacquierd a nw eturn based game Capes though I haven' troun dt oplaying i tyet. I'm thinking I migh tgive tha ta tr yonc eI finish m yactiv eMidnight Suns run. I think I can bea tBG3 eventually bu tneed t ob ebette rand smarte rabou tthe decisions I mak ewhen I next try
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Post by Kabraxal on Jun 15, 2024 18:34:25 GMT
Apparently, you're only allowed to play one or the other. Says PC Gamer. They’d screech a lot then when I bin BG3 for any DA game if forced to make a choice. I find it so amusing that so many gamers assume BG3 is the chosen RPG of every gamer. Course, that was the discourse back when TW3 released too. And that fandom seems particularly offended that it didn’t manage to cast Inquisition into irrelevance. Wonder if the same will happen if Veilguard gets a stable and noticeable fanbase like every single player based Bioware game has. There is room for the CRPG, for the more restrictive RP of a Witcher, and the unique beast in the RPG that Bioware makes. Non of the three really overlap. I can’t get what Larian offers from Bioware or CDPR but then I can’t get what Bioware offers from the other two either. They might all be RPGs, but many gamers today forget how expansive that label is. Maybe celebrate that we have multiple devs trying to create different RPGs instead of wishing everyone develops one style?
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There is room for the CRPG, for the more restrictive RP of a Witcher, and the unique beast in the RPG that Bioware makes. Non of the three really overlap. I can’t get what Larian offers from Bioware or CDPR but then I can’t get what Bioware offers from the other two either. They might all be RPGs, but many gamers today forget how expansive that label is. Maybe celebrate that we have multiple devs trying to create different RPGs instead of wishing everyone develops one style? Yes, and also no. Even if they are making very different games, which they absolutely should be, there’s still a lot they can learn from each other about what works well. One of the standout things about the Witcher 3 is the huge amount of detail and world building that went into even the most minor side quests. Including all the Witcher contracts which could have easily just been a way to earn cash, get loot and XP. Bioware must have very paying close attention to how well that was received, particularly just after the what everyone said about all the collectibles in DAI. Also how much less well CDPR did on that in their next game. Similarly, it would be simply insane if they didn’t jump immediately onto the BG3 early access to see what another developer was doing with what was once their IP. How much that might have influenced their own development remains to be seen.
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Apparently, you're only allowed to play one or the other. Says PC Gamer. They’d screech a lot then when I bin BG3 for any DA game if forced to make a choice. I find it so amusing that so many gamers assume BG3 is the chosen RPG of every gamer. Course, that was the discourse back when TW3 released too. And that fandom seems particularly offended that it didn’t manage to cast Inquisition into irrelevance. Wonder if the same will happen if Veilguard gets a stable and noticeable fanbase like every single player based Bioware game has. There is room for the CRPG, for the more restrictive RP of a Witcher, and the unique beast in the RPG that Bioware makes. Non of the three really overlap. I can’t get what Larian offers from Bioware or CDPR but then I can’t get what Bioware offers from the other two either. They might all be RPGs, but many gamers today forget how expansive that label is. Maybe celebrate that we have multiple devs trying to create different RPGs instead of wishing everyone develops one style? Exactl yan dthe nyo uhav ethe soulsbourn etypes too developed b yFrom Soft. I mno tint oth eSouilsbourn eones bu tth eothers BG3/DA and th eWitcher sure. I tr yt oenjo y wha tthe yall brin gt oth etable. Even Firraxi sto a poin twit hX com and Midnight Suns.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 17, 2024 7:59:09 GMT
There is room for the CRPG, for the more restrictive RP of a Witcher, and the unique beast in the RPG that Bioware makes. Non of the three really overlap. I can’t get what Larian offers from Bioware or CDPR but then I can’t get what Bioware offers from the other two either. They might all be RPGs, but many gamers today forget how expansive that label is. Maybe celebrate that we have multiple devs trying to create different RPGs instead of wishing everyone develops one style? Yes, and also no. Even if they are making very different games, which they absolutely should be, there’s still a lot they can learn from each other about what works well. One of the standout things about the Witcher 3 is the huge amount of detail and world building that went into even the most minor side quests. Including all the Witcher contracts which could have easily just been a way to earn cash, get loot and XP. Bioware must have very paying close attention to how well that was received, particularly just after the what everyone said about all the collectibles in DAI. Also how much less well CDPR did on that in their next game. Similarly, it would be simply insane if they didn’t jump immediately onto the BG3 early access to see what another developer was doing with what was once their IP. How much that might have influenced their own development remains to be seen. 1. You can only learn, if you have the skill to do it. Or you get DAIs open world. 2. You can only learn what EA approve. 3. In my eyes it is better to look what they can do and not running after trends. In 3 years many can change.
So let's see what will happen in the future.
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1. You can only learn, if you have the skill to do it. Or you get DAIs open world. 2. You can only learn what EA approve. 3. In my eyes it is better to look what they can do and not running after trends. In 3 years many can change. [/div]
So let's see what will happen in the future.
[/quote] Indeed. And you should only try to learn things that fit with the games you make. So it’s reasonable to learn some things from comparable games like the Witcher 3 and BG3, which are single player RPGs with a heavy emphasis on relationships with the various characters. Obviously EA shouldn’t make Bioware just follow general gaming trends or they’d end up doing something really daft, like making an online multiplayer looter shooter. Can you imagine?
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 26, 2024 12:51:35 GMT
With more and more gameplay reveals I want to say I might be wrong about da4. Game so far looks good
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Post by githcheater on Aug 26, 2024 13:58:32 GMT
With more and more gameplay reveals I want to say I might be wrong about da4. Game so far looks good DA4 looks good, but it won't be as good as BG3 in my opinion, as it won't be full Pause & Play and won't allow full control over companions. Unfortunately, it will likely be several years before Larian and Owlcat release a new turn-based RPG.
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Post by celestielf on Aug 26, 2024 19:23:46 GMT
With more and more gameplay reveals I want to say I might be wrong about da4. Game so far looks good DA4 looks good, but it won't be as good as BG3 in my opinion, as it won't be full Pause & Play and won't allow full control over companions. Unfortunately, it will likely be several years before Larian and Owlcat release a new turn-based RPG. Fortunately, rpgs are so much more to me than just combat style IMO. I'm glad we're quite spoiled for choice between Bioware, Larian, and Owlcat. I think I'll prefer DA4 because the story will be more focused and more connected to the preceeding games. I'm still trying to finish BG3 and while I'm enjoying aspects of Act 3, I feel no sense of urgency or excitement. BG3 also feels like an alternate reality to the world of BG and BG2 because WotC changes lore and characters so much in their mission to constantly monetize the setting.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 26, 2024 19:27:44 GMT
With more and more gameplay reveals I want to say I might be wrong about da4. Game so far looks good DA4 looks good, but it won't be as good as BG3 in my opinion, as it won't be full Pause & Play and won't allow full control over companions. Unfortunately, it will likely be several years before Larian and Owlcat release a new turn-based RPG. another reason why I haven't adopted it yet. Really wish they gave us the option to have companions take their own turns.
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With more and more gameplay reveals I want to say I might be wrong about da4. Game so far looks good DA4 looks good, but it won't be as good as BG3 in my opinion, as it won't be full Pause & Play and won't allow full control over companions. Unfortunately, it will likely be several years before Larian and Owlcat release a new turn-based RPG. Thre ar eother people making games lik etha tthe yjus tdon' tgenreall ysell that well so tbh BG3 is a bi tunique in hta tit brok eth eusual traits of it's own genre.
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DA4 looks good, but it won't be as good as BG3 in my opinion, as it won't be full Pause & Play and won't allow full control over companions. Unfortunately, it will likely be several years before Larian and Owlcat release a new turn-based RPG. another reason why I haven't adopted it yet. Really wish they gave us the option to have companions take their own turns. I don't think that could really work with BG3's gameplay, as the AI could screw things massively. BG3, and those type of RPGs, aren't really suited to allow the player to control just one character and leave the companions to do their own things.
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