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Post by zipzap2000 on Dec 12, 2023 10:21:28 GMT
Which outcomes are you happy to discard to play shepard again? Curing the genophage? Miranda being alive? Destroy being Canon by necessity? No Wrex? Which endings am i prepared to disregard to never play as Ryder again. Would be the direction I'd take this in. With that in mind. All of them. *Swirls Ryncol*
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Post by zipzap2000 on Dec 12, 2023 10:25:22 GMT
You've hit the nail on the head. I'd rather Andromeda not be acknowledged in the next game because of this, but I understand why Bioware wouldn't want to entirely throw it away.
Andromeda wasn't the root-cause, ME3 was. I loved 95% of ME3, but the ending, and the choices.....BW are still running away from dealing with the fallout from that. That's how we ended up with MEA, because they didn't want to acknowledge or deal with the consequences of ME3. I am NOT a fan of MEA, but I think it's unfair to put all the blame on that game for what's happened in the past 4 or 5 years. It obviously didn't help, but if the end of ME3 hadn't been screwed up so royally then we wouldn't have had to jump forward 600 years and completely remove ourselves from everything we loved about the OT. I do NOT want to be in the MEA timeline. I have nothing against the characters, but setting it that far ahead continues to run away from the core issue, and keeps things too far removed from the OT for my liking. Bringing Liara back is not my idea of tying things back into the OT. If BW are ever to fix what's wrong with ME in its current state then they need to stop f*cking about trying to fix the symptom (MEA) and focus on the root-cause. Without doing that I can't really see how BW can save the franchise. They would have to create a great game solely on its own merits and I'm far from convinced that current BW has that in them. You can write an Apocalyptic future or you can create an apocalypse for the universe in terms of writing. No future setting is viable because the entire universe that BioWare created has been obliterated from the foundation up, even the mass relays are destroyed.
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Post by Spectr61 on Dec 13, 2023 16:51:09 GMT
Chris L'Etoile should have been left in charge of the Geth. Really he should have been the head writer since its obvious based on his contributions to the narrative and world building during Mass Effect 1&2 that he the only writer there interested in science fiction as opposed to 'Rule of Cool' and space magic. The dip in quality is pretty noticeable once he left and it's really only the attachment that the players had formed with the series up until that point that most didn't notice the cracks until the last moments. In looking back though you can see the decline writing from the Geth becoming just little Pinocchio bots, loosing all of their former nuance in favor of becoming real boys like everyone else, to Cerberus suddenly becoming the Sith Empire and amassing a naval presence that rivals galactic superpowers in the span of six months, etc. It's even more painfully obvious that BioWare didn't have any quality science fiction writers on staff when they made Andromeda as well. And I always thought that SAM would be a much more compelling plot device if it was more like STEM from the film Upgrade. Imagine if that's how Ryder would react when they give SAM control in fights. +10 Chris L'Etoile leaves and instead of him being lead on ME2, Mac Walters is promoted to that role, and then Director for ME3. And we all know how that turned out. The beginning of the end.
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Post by ergates on Apr 2, 2024 18:47:45 GMT
I've made a few attempts to replay ME:A over the last few years, but I always end up feeling burned out and incapable of continuing when I get to the half way stage.
Maybe if I could train myself to ignore all the busywork and filler content and just focus on the main story only things would be better for me, but I'm cursed with a 100% completion mentality that I cannot seem to shift.
I still maintain that Bioware-style games do not work as open world games. They're not right for the format. They work far better as tightly-plotted, linear, narrative-driven games. My burnout is caused by endless repetitive cycles of trundling for miles over empty landscapes, and constantly stopping to collect 10 McGuffins to tick off my 'shopping list' of side quests, and eventually the act of treating the game as a checklist rather than an immersive experience kills adventure stone dead.
ME:A was not a bad game at all, it had some good elements, some good characters, good combat and decent features - but it was a very, very mixed game, and for every decent game mechanic there's a bad one to counterbalance it.
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Post by skekSil on Apr 2, 2024 21:47:49 GMT
I still maintain that Bioware-style games do not work as open world games. They're not right for the format. They work far better as tightly-plotted, linear, narrative-driven games. My burnout is caused by endless repetitive cycles of trundling for miles over empty landscapes, and constantly stopping to collect 10 McGuffins to tick off my 'shopping list' of side quests, and eventually the act of treating the game as a checklist rather than an immersive experience kills adventure stone dead. So how did you feel about Salarian medallions, Asari writings and a dozen of different materials in ME1 that you had to collect for that 100% completion mentality?
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 2, 2024 22:25:20 GMT
I would rather return to Andromeda with Ryder and company for another fun/pulp sci-fi (like GOTG) style adventure than another boring/bad ultra super grimdark James Bond spy/military space war "epic", been there and done that...a lot.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 2, 2024 22:47:30 GMT
I would rather return to Andromeda with Ryder and company for another fun/pulp sci-fi (like GOTG) style adventure than another boring/bad ultra super grimdark James Bond spy/military space war "epic", been there and done that...a lot. So you're ok to play again as an incompetent, undisciplined, little duck? Remember it's the same character who was ok with two squadmates doing stupid stuff without getting in their face of how bad they ****** up? That would have been a great opportunity to add a choice to have the squadmate removed from the roster or not. The same character being led on a leash by a voice in the head to get things done? MEA was supposedly to be a step forward yet it removed stuff from the trilogy, one's that were optional, from the game. The game removed the power wheel making having squadmates more as a decoration than anything else. There is no choice to not recruit a squadmate. No choice to have a squadmate die. MEA took a step backwards. There are problems with the game at the very start. One problem is after gaining control of Ryder, a piece of machinery breaks down. It turns out Ryder has a scanner yet the maintenance personnel, you know, the one's who maintain the equipment, machinery, and other stuff for the ship, don't have a scanner. Why is that?
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 2, 2024 22:53:32 GMT
I would rather return to Andromeda with Ryder and company for another fun/pulp sci-fi (like GOTG) style adventure than another boring/bad ultra super grimdark James Bond spy/military space war "epic", been there and done that...a lot. So you're ok to play again as an incompetent, undisciplined, little duck? Remember it's the same character who was ok with two squadmates doing stupid stuff without getting in their face of how bad they ****** up? That would have been a great opportunity to add a choice to have the squadmate removed from the roster or not. The same character being led on a leash by a voice in the head to get things done? MEA was supposedly to be a step forward yet it removed stuff from the trilogy, one's that were optional, from the game. The game removed the power wheel making having squadmates more as a decoration than anything else. There is no choice to not recruit a squadmate. No choice to have a squadmate die. MEA took a step backwards. There are problems with the game at the very start. One problem is after gaining control of Ryder, a piece of machinery breaks down. It turns out Ryder has a scanner yet the maintenance personnel, you know, the one's who maintain the equipment, machinery, and other stuff for the ship, don't have a scanner. Why is that? Beats having T'soni shoved in our faces.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 2, 2024 22:57:27 GMT
I've made a few attempts to replay ME:A over the last few years, but I always end up feeling burned out and incapable of continuing when I get to the half way stage. Even with all the mod's I have for the game, I'm having a hard time trying to do a 2nd run. Try doing a speedrun. When I was going for the insanity trophy, I kept getting killed in the same area. After a few more try's, I said to heck with it, and went back to the main story. I decided to speed through the rest of the game. The end time wasn't bad. After that, I did some speedrun's. But only so many can be done before it's not worth it anymore. I will say, it made MEA a good game being able to skip nearly all the stuff in the game.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 2, 2024 22:57:55 GMT
So you're ok to play again as an incompetent, undisciplined, little duck? Remember it's the same character who was ok with two squadmates doing stupid stuff without getting in their face of how bad they ****** up? That would have been a great opportunity to add a choice to have the squadmate removed from the roster or not. The same character being led on a leash by a voice in the head to get things done? MEA was supposedly to be a step forward yet it removed stuff from the trilogy, one's that were optional, from the game. The game removed the power wheel making having squadmates more as a decoration than anything else. There is no choice to not recruit a squadmate. No choice to have a squadmate die. MEA took a step backwards. There are problems with the game at the very start. One problem is after gaining control of Ryder, a piece of machinery breaks down. It turns out Ryder has a scanner yet the maintenance personnel, you know, the one's who maintain the equipment, machinery, and other stuff for the ship, don't have a scanner. Why is that? Beats having T'soni shoved in our faces. well if we had T'soni again, would you throw her into volcano for the lolz
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Post by themikefest on Apr 2, 2024 22:59:50 GMT
Beats having T'soni shoved in our faces. At least with the asari, she can be ignored the rest of the time, whereas with Ryder, he/she cannot be ignored since, you the player, play as Ryder for the whole game.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 2, 2024 23:01:44 GMT
Beats having T'soni shoved in our faces. well if we had T'soni again, would you throw her into volcano for the lolz Why yes, yes I would. And I bet she'd smell like calamari and yum.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 2, 2024 23:04:54 GMT
Beats having T'soni shoved in our faces. well if we had T'soni again, would you throw her into volcano for the lolz If ME1 were to be remade, I would remove that line because I would have t'soni replace Shiala making the rescuing t'soni mission obsolete. To answer your question, yes.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 2, 2024 23:16:49 GMT
Lets face it, If i was writing the new Mass Effect, it would be an option to do that and there will plenty of roleplaying reasoning for that actions.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 2, 2024 23:50:26 GMT
Lets face it, If i was writing the new Mass Effect, it would be an option to do that and there will plenty of roleplaying reasoning for that actions. Let's face it take 2. You and I would have Cerberus be front and center. It would make sense. ALL HAIL TIM
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Post by Phantom on Apr 3, 2024 0:14:14 GMT
Lets face it, If i was writing the new Mass Effect, it would be an option to do that and there will plenty of roleplaying reasoning for that actions. Let's face it take 2. You and I would have Cerberus be front and center. It would make sense. ALL HAIL TIM Just curious, would you have the Player Character becomes the NEW T.I.M?
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Post by themikefest on Apr 3, 2024 0:16:08 GMT
Let's face it take 2. You and I would have Cerberus be front and center. It would make sense. ALL HAIL TIM Just curious, would you have the Player Character becomes the NEW T.I.M? Yes. The female would be known as TIW(The Illusive Woman)excellent.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 3, 2024 0:31:25 GMT
Just curious, would you have the Player Character becomes the NEW T.I.M? Yes. The female would be known as TIW(The Illusive Woman)excellent. Well I would approve of that. Also my idea of a backstory of the Player Character is that they were a former N7 Major and was Battle of Torfan. It is pretty dark and lost bunk of his soldiers under his command and became aware of Cerberus. Tessa, one of his engineer, went to care of her twin sister, Delilah. The Twins became members of Cerberus for their skills. Tessa develop a talent of Power Armor engineering. Yes T.I.M. did use her talents with Power Armor engineering as a cash flow. there are several other characters i would love to see into Mass Effect
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Post by ergates on Apr 3, 2024 10:03:01 GMT
I almost felt the same, and these collections are some of the least enjoyable aspects of Mass Effect 1, for me at least. In fact the entire business of landing on planet after planet, driving around to collect the same anomalies, downed satellites etc. can get pretty tedious after a while. I've always said so.
But this is counterbalanced by the awesome main plot, the deep RPG mechanics and the fact that the actual side missions inside those copy and pasted abandoned mines, research stations and habs are, for the most part, quite interesting.
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Post by hulluliini on Apr 4, 2024 8:49:49 GMT
I almost felt the same, and these collections are some of the least enjoyable aspects of Mass Effect 1, for me at least. In fact the entire business of landing on planet after planet, driving around to collect the same anomalies, downed satellites etc. can get pretty tedious after a while. I've always said so. But this is counterbalanced by the awesome main plot, the deep RPG mechanics and the fact that the actual side missions inside those copy and pasted abandoned mines, research stations and habs are, for the most part, quite interesting. I always wished I could actually _read_ those Matriarch Dilianaga's writings. Or see pictures of the Salarian Medallions. What I didn't like is that you just clicked and that was it. If there had been a text box or image, that would have been more satisfying. In MEA, you couldn't just instatravel and click, you had to drive around in the Mako for a similarly underwhelming reward. The reward was text or dialogue in MEA but it wasn't rewarding enough in relation to the trouble you went through to get it. There needs to be a balance to make it work. Some of the MEA side quests were also interlinked so that you had to do some crazy planet hopping to finish one after another, when in reality you would have to think about fuel consumption and stuff in order to justify that. It doesn't seem like it would be so difficult to fix issues such as these but I guess it must be rocket science since BW still hasn't found the right balance....
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The best sci-fi doesn't worry about fuel unless it's important to story being told.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 4, 2024 20:38:40 GMT
I almost felt the same, and these collections are some of the least enjoyable aspects of Mass Effect 1, for me at least. In fact the entire business of landing on planet after planet, driving around to collect the same anomalies, downed satellites etc. can get pretty tedious after a while. I've always said so. But this is counterbalanced by the awesome main plot, the deep RPG mechanics and the fact that the actual side missions inside those copy and pasted abandoned mines, research stations and habs are, for the most part, quite interesting.
For me I found them easier to ignore as they were set up more like an achievement style system vs a quest. I don't remember bumping into frank turian friend who said he was a big turian medal collector and he wanted me to find him 10. I don't try to 100% every achievement, I long got past that from the ubisoft games. But if someone gives me a quest i want to complete it. No idea why that small difference changes my outlook on collection things, but it does.
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Post by ergates on Apr 5, 2024 11:56:33 GMT
I said earlier that I feel compelled to do 100% completion on games, but I guess that's not really accurate. I typically ignore collectibles in games, I just have no interest in them. I'll pick one up if I stumble upon it but never go out of my way to get them. I also tend to ignore achievements. If I get them I get them, if I don't I don't.
But I have a 100% completion mindset when it comes to missions and quests and the problem with the ME:1 collection missions for ore, medallions, insignias, writings etc. is that they're added to my mission log, and I'm always conscious of them, and above and beyond that they provide credits and XP whereas most collections in games provide nothing tangible or game-related.
Consequently I'm compelled to do them all, else I end up with unfinished missions in my mission log which just feels off.
Probably if they were in a separate menu called 'collections' I'd ignore them. It makes no logical sense, but there it is.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 6, 2024 4:02:19 GMT
I said earlier that I feel compelled to do 100% completion on games, but I guess that's not really accurate. I typically ignore collectibles in games, I just have no interest in them. I'll pick one up if I stumble upon it but never go out of my way to get them. I also tend to ignore achievements. If I get them I get them, if I don't I don't. But I have a 100% completion mindset when it comes to missions and quests and the problem with the ME:1 collection missions for ore, medallions, insignias, writings etc. is that they're added to my mission log, and I'm always conscious of them, and above and beyond that they provide credits and XP whereas most collections in games provide nothing tangible or game-related. Consequently I'm compelled to do them all, else I end up with unfinished missions in my mission log which just feels off. Probably if they were in a separate menu called 'collections' I'd ignore them. It makes no logical sense, but there it is.
Fair enough. While they were in the mission log we never really had someone give us a quest so I always saw them as achievements more than quests. I do the matriarch writings one though as i like how it pans out in me3, though my first me3 play through that happened on its own due to luck i guess as the save i used happened to have enough, i think because i had collected a lot due to an assumption more would transfer to ME2 but all this was way too many years ago so i might have got it due to some other random occurance. And heck I pick up whatever i come across so maybe another one gets completed by accident.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 6, 2024 19:25:58 GMT
Like I said, I feel like Bioware is going to try to appease MET fans and only give ME:A fans crumbs. Which would be incredibly stupid on BioWare since many user reviews on sites like MS Store, PS Store, Amazon, and even Steam constantly given ME:A plenty of high reviews often around a 4 out of 5 which is a not bad rating, but because of Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes are the only reviews that are worth a damn to big media companies, so yeah I expect them to return to MWG and that will be a huge mistake, because pandering backwards fanservice gets old faster than a lot of media companies think. Bold, new and risky directions can fall too, but at least it shows that a company and/or a franchise can and are willing to take a chance and if succeeds then you have years of new storytelling options to explore. Instead of sticking to Shepard and company and wearing them out because of a vocal minority of fans got their feelings hurt with the endings to ME3 and won't be happy even if BioWare canonizes that damn ME happy ending mod. I want new worlds, aliens, ships, vehicles, ideas, weapons, enemies to fight not the same old worlds, aliens, vehicles, weapons, and enemies like the geth, collectors, and reapers leftovers to fight.
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