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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 11, 2023 9:28:21 GMT
Slowly at first. Then it speeds up a little bit once it figures out where your sweet spot is. Not like the original trilogy they knew how to work the balls and tease it out a little bit and let's face it, what the next game needs is for someone to take their time and nurture it a lil before bringing it home with an explosive climax. Because after Mass Effect 3's unsatisfying ending most players found themselves spent and their reward for sticking it out with BioWare despite all of her broken promises was Andromeda. The daughter we didn't want. To the wife we never loved. And the idea of returning to the cat peoples home is quite frankly a turn off I have no desire to see Liam and Jaal get naked for no reason, again. I don't want to find out PeeBee is Liaras half sister. I don't care who the benefactor is. I just wanna be Commander Shepard again, SPECTRE, saviour of the citadel, banger of the things.
May Niftu be with you.
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Liara, shake dat ass.
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Post by vonuber on Nov 11, 2023 10:59:53 GMT
Which outcomes are you happy to discard to play shepard again? Curing the genophage? Miranda being alive? Destroy being Canon by necessity? No Wrex?
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Post by lavigne on Nov 11, 2023 13:30:22 GMT
It's a moot point anyway as we won't be playing as Shepard again.
That said, I have no issue with them canonizing outcomes in order to facilitate a post-ME3 timeframe again. There's loads they could do in a post-Reaper war construction era. I'd rather they do that than keep running away and not addressing the ending.
I think if they were canonizing things then they'd go down the "perfect" route. The Genophage would be cured, peace would be brokered between the Quarians and the Geth, and you could probably make either of the ending choices work.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 12, 2023 16:45:35 GMT
Honestly I don't want 'either' thing, so while the wait and suspense can be frustrating, I'm liking almost every bit of a tease Bioware is sending us. (Except Liara trailer focus; I only approve of her emphasis if she actually gets one of the best Bioware or even RPG stories of all time, and no, she definitely hasn't had that yet.)
Shepard has never been all that to me. I don't respond the best to badass being the overriding character appeal. Like it can be a thing, and characters can have it, but its not usually going to put them as a great protagonist in my book. I loved MET partially despite Shepard, even if I didn't mind them. The vision of the character also became understandably inconsistent through the trilogy, because it was well, a trilogy where BW was figuring this shit out. I don't mind Shepard being a thing, even to the point of being a major character somehow in the next game, but I was never a 'well MY Shepard does this, MY Shepard does that'. He was only a remote controlled figure to me until nearly the end.
Andromeda is a soft flop in my eyes, but I do want the setting recognized and built upon. Its there, it didn't totally suck (IMO), so use it. But I'm also so glad that we so far don't seem to be getting MEA with Ryder @ co. They did not have a great basis to go trotting all over the galaxy and its empires and peoples and so on. Not as a playable group. I'd maybe be up for sidegames (literally even mobile stuff, because I'm a sucker for it) that went there, but not a highly invested in AAA title. Think FFXII Revenant Wings.
Its too bad about Andromeda but to this day I don't say 'Andromeda Sucks!'. I just go more like uh, 'what Andromeda did to the series sucks'. I'd still play the game today, but I don't have much of a *pull* to do it unless I'm already playing the other games through. It annoys/bores me in equal measure to enticing/engaging me.
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Post by shermos on Nov 12, 2023 18:12:16 GMT
'what Andromeda did to the series sucks'
You've hit the nail on the head. I'd rather Andromeda not be acknowledged in the next game because of this, but I understand why Bioware wouldn't want to entirely throw it away.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 12, 2023 18:20:36 GMT
'what Andromeda did to the series sucks'
You've hit the nail on the head. I'd rather Andromeda not be acknowledged in the next game because of this, but I understand why Bioware wouldn't want to entirely throw it away.
Yeah my middle ground is in 'give it a rest, and give its setting a more reasonable grounding to be actually really interesting for later'. I think if they were more 'spamming' us with Mass Effect games in the 2010s then Andromeda could more easily slip through the cracks as a spinoff (like how say, the MCU will never ever acknowledge Inhumans except as a future alternate universe faction or in a reboot), but there was just ME3, and Andromeda, making Andromeda far more of a 'ME4-ish'. So give it its due, which is realistically at least a LITTLE, and do it well, then maybe we'll be on board with even a MEA spiritual sequel at best. Like, we don't need to be, but if this is Bioware's agenda, this is the least they'll have to do. And even then, no, I don't want to leave the MW 100% behind, you goofs! UNDER 10% OF IT HAS BEEN EXPLORED. Destroying it with the Crucible didn't do squat to myself and most others' perception of the setting as a perfectly usable one. I think going to Andromeda is cool in the sense of an addition of 'new rules' that don't follow the Reapers' cycle (and I even like theories that try to tie both settings together in the broader lore), but there absolutely is still a place for the home galaxy. They could literally go into other universes and dimensions or whatever the crap, and people will still like the Mass Effect Milky Way.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Nov 13, 2023 15:34:27 GMT
A certified ZipZap classic.
Yes, Biower would be wise to leave the Face is Tired galaxy locked in the freezer that it put the ME series in for 10 years.
If they try to revive it, we probably get another 4/10 game and a dead for good franchise this time.
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Post by lavigne on Nov 13, 2023 16:19:44 GMT
'what Andromeda did to the series sucks'
You've hit the nail on the head. I'd rather Andromeda not be acknowledged in the next game because of this, but I understand why Bioware wouldn't want to entirely throw it away.
Andromeda wasn't the root-cause, ME3 was. I loved 95% of ME3, but the ending, and the choices.....BW are still running away from dealing with the fallout from that. That's how we ended up with MEA, because they didn't want to acknowledge or deal with the consequences of ME3. I am NOT a fan of MEA, but I think it's unfair to put all the blame on that game for what's happened in the past 4 or 5 years. It obviously didn't help, but if the end of ME3 hadn't been screwed up so royally then we wouldn't have had to jump forward 600 years and completely remove ourselves from everything we loved about the OT. I do NOT want to be in the MEA timeline. I have nothing against the characters, but setting it that far ahead continues to run away from the core issue, and keeps things too far removed from the OT for my liking. Bringing Liara back is not my idea of tying things back into the OT. If BW are ever to fix what's wrong with ME in its current state then they need to stop f*cking about trying to fix the symptom (MEA) and focus on the root-cause. Without doing that I can't really see how BW can save the franchise. They would have to create a great game solely on its own merits and I'm far from convinced that current BW has that in them.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 13, 2023 18:26:40 GMT
I don't feel ME3 did anything on its own, it just enabled everything else to go off.
They could have still made games during the trilogy. They could have done a more limited prequel (that adds story to be relevant later). They could have indeed tackled the ME3 endings. None of these were impossible things. But they didn't want to do any of that.
I guess I'm being personally specific if I say 'what ME3 did to the series was very problematic' rather than 'sucks'. Many gamers still had interest and faith in Mass Effect after ME3, we were just also roiled in the controversy. I didn't see much Mass Effect Is Dead. People were actually demanding *more* Mass Effect; 'fix' the endings/extended cut, post-ending DLC, a follow up game, game content explanations for what was done in ME3, more Milky Way games. If people were Mass Effect is Dead they were already the EA-Bioware Has Died crowd, it wasn't so ME3 specific.
Point is, they still had attention, still had engagement, still had many with hopes, still many that were even crushed feeling from ME3 ending but still called themselves FANS.
I think MEA - while acknowledging that it did part of its job in retaining some fans, gaining some others, but ONLY some - was what stunk up the series. You can like the game, you can be a new series joiner from it, you can appreciate what it brought etc. But you can't say it helped the series out from a company perspective. You just really, really can't. There were enough elements of it that *significantly harmed* consumer interest in any future title. With ME3, I'd say more that it *risked* that. That they shouldn't just let it be and move on/run away (though they did, with MEA), because it'll cause long term damage. But ME3 itself is still highly regarded in many ways, MEA is just, I dunno, liked enough for a AAA game release maybe?
It could be a perspective thing, but this is where I come from. MEA has stink on it that sure, if you wash that all off, the future series entries might work off of its better elements, but ME3 itself doesn't have that. Its ENDING did and still somewhat does, but most audiences don't get THAT riled up by an ending. I'd agree with the devs that only a vocal minority were --- but I'd also add that a vocal minority can totally bust up your multimillion dollar franchise so they're not exactly irrelevant. This minority was given enough fuel with MEA that it caught onto a much wider consensus that Mass Effect isn't what it once was. And that just makes it even harder for any future title to impress.
A better ME game years after ME3 would have largely softened players about ME3('s ending). A fantastic game at this point several+ years after MEA, won't really fix the 'weak patch' of the series. It'll still stick out, still need its defenders to point out its brighter sides and advocate for its elements, and still be honestly a bit of a joke to many looking back (in my circles, in many online circles, and in general reviews). Things were going wrong with ME3 but there was a chance to pitch upward. They went for Anthem instead, and punted Mass Effect to a new studio that apparently wasn't ready except to grow into studio rivalries for design choices and resource sharing.
Call ME3 a root cause and I don't really mind, but I wouldn't say it needed to be a chronic cause. It wasn't an actual bodily health issue. It was part of an entertainment franchise that people could have just moved on from/with, if the series was treated better. MEA was not it being treated better. MEA was 'scrap this experimental nonsense, finally ship something for God's sake'. That's the last tone that most fans have been left with (if they didn't focus on MELE perhaps). A bad ending with hope that a few years in the future it'll get better, is better than a crushing of hope and left to wait perhaps a decade or more.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2023 22:41:27 GMT
Andromeda is without question the best game in the franchise.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 14, 2023 1:18:31 GMT
Andromeda is without question the best game in the franchise. It has the best fight in all of videogame history. hahahahahahaha
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Post by bierkrug on Nov 14, 2023 10:08:25 GMT
Just bought it in a Steam sale. I'm already afraid I wasted 5 bucks 🤣
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 14, 2023 16:40:33 GMT
Just bought it in a Steam sale. I'm already afraid I wasted 5 bucks 🤣 IMO its not a waste of $5, but I certainly felt distinctly disappointed for the first time when buying a new Bioware game. There's fun, go have it. If it drags, focus nearly exclusively on the main story (and major character quests). The difference between that and the 'exploration' parts is bigger than in most games I've played.
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Post by Noxluxe on Nov 14, 2023 17:21:40 GMT
ME3's ending was better.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Nov 14, 2023 17:29:28 GMT
Andromeda is without question the best game in the franchise. Ah yes, because all “best” games get all their DLC shitcanned, and then get the franchise they are a part of put “on ice” for at least a decade. Please pump some of that grade A copium right into my induction port.
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Post by bierkrug on Nov 14, 2023 17:53:06 GMT
Please pump some of that grade A copium right into my induction port. That's a straw. 🫡
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Post by Tonymac on Nov 14, 2023 18:08:36 GMT
Andromeda is without question the best game in the franchise. Ah yes, because all “best” games get all their DLC shitcanned, and then get the franchise they are a part of put “on ice” for at least a decade. Please pump some of that grade A copium right into my induction port. Emergency Induction Port.
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Post by Guardian on Nov 15, 2023 0:30:23 GMT
Just bought it in a Steam sale. I'm already afraid I wasted 5 bucks 🤣 IMO its not a waste of $5, but I certainly felt distinctly disappointed for the first time when buying a new Bioware game. There's fun, go have it. If it drags, focus nearly exclusively on the main story (and major character quests). The difference between that and the 'exploration' parts is bigger than in most games I've played.
Agreed; it's worth a play through at least once. But it can drag on in the exploration (much like Mass Effect did), but at least here it's nicer to look at while exploring. Best game of the series? Hardly, but it's not the worst of the series, either. But to say it sucks? Eh...that's subjective, just like saying it was the best game of the franchise, without question. Both those statements are subjective and a bit of hyperbole. Though I am curious where people outside of this forum would put the four games in order. I put it at about a 6.5 out of 10 myself.
Still, $5 for Andromeda? Yeah, I'd say it's worth that; I'd even argue $10. $15? Eh....maybe....but that'd be a harder sell. Anything after that and I'd probably bow out.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 15, 2023 4:38:25 GMT
My order, now, with all updates, DLC, and honestly mod potential, is: ME3, ME2, MEA, ME1.
ME3 above ME2 just out of comfort. Its more nice for me to experience. I'm still bothered by all sorts of things about it, but I'd still rather play it than ME2.
MEA above ME1 just out of modernity, and while I have MELE but haven't tried it yet, I doubt the improvements will change this enough. Take my emphasis on 'does this reflect a more current day AAA game' out, and MEA flops down.
If we're talking about particular facets of the games, things will shift around. Typically putting ME2 to first place instead of second, and MEA to last place instead of third, but sometimes its more surprising (like I enjoy ME1's world 'tone' more than all the others).
For scores in single digits scores, the games in order go: ME1 7/10, ME2 8/10, ME3 8/10, MEA 7/10.
If I can give half points: ME1 7.5/10, ME2 8.5/10, ME3 8/10, MEA 7/10.
Why ME2 over ME3? Because I feel my preference for ME3 is more personal and particular than how I'd suggest the game to others. Take my story issues out of it, and ME3 would be an 8.5 or even maybe a 9.
MEA sometimes disappoints me like its a 6/10, but when I try to get more objective about it, and I judge the current day post-patched version, I'll softly give it its 7.
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Post by lavigne on Nov 15, 2023 8:17:38 GMT
IMO its not a waste of $5, but I certainly felt distinctly disappointed for the first time when buying a new Bioware game. There's fun, go have it. If it drags, focus nearly exclusively on the main story (and major character quests). The difference between that and the 'exploration' parts is bigger than in most games I've played.
Agreed; it's worth a play through at least once. I played it through once. I've tried to replay it twice to play the sibling, however I gave up both times a couple of missions in. The exploring is tedious to the extreme, and the prospect of wading through that, even minimally, is just an instant turn off for me. I'd say $5 is a no-brainer though. It's good for at least one play-through, but when you know what to expect then there's a good chance you won't want to replay it. But still, $5 for 20-30 hours of game play is ok IMO.
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Post by Guardian on Nov 15, 2023 13:32:33 GMT
I'd say $5 is a no-brainer though. It's good for at least one play-through, but when you know what to expect then there's a good chance you won't want to replay it. But still, $5 for 20-30 hours of game play is ok IMO. Yeah, it's probably the second BioWare game I had no major desire to go back and play again after playing it once (first being Inquisition). There's a number of factors or me why I have no real desire, but you're right about this.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 15, 2023 17:07:42 GMT
Agreed; it's worth a play through at least once. I played it through once. I've tried to replay it twice to play the sibling, however I gave up both times a couple of missions in. The exploring is tedious to the extreme, and the prospect of wading through that, even minimally, is just an instant turn off for me. I'd say $5 is a no-brainer though. It's good for at least one play-through, but when you know what to expect then there's a good chance you won't want to replay it. But still, $5 for 20-30 hours of game play is ok IMO. Yeah, its like, fine, like, yeah. Haha. I'm very much a big shrug about MEA. It didn't accomplish its objectives IMO, but if it was say, the first game of a new scifi series (obviously stripped of relation to previous Mass Effects), it'd have been a potentially intriguing first entry. Not 10/10, probably not even 8/10, and people wouldn't necessarily *love* it still, but I think it'd have gotten a fairer shake. Reduce the price some, and many would love it in a way some love Eurojank. This is damning with faint praise but I really do mean the faint praise. I personally don't want everything of MEA left behind. There's a whole list of things I enjoy enough about it, even with they always come with a caveat that I didn't love how they were a part of that particular game. Like the music; I like much of the OST! The placement of it and volume balancing really messed up though. That's just one example. I did my 100% on a dying PC (could still play on High-ish but there were framerate hitches), and intended on at least one more full playthrough, and I'll get around to it, but haven't yet. When I do my full series/MELE playthrough, it'll include that one run of MEA then I'll leave it alone perhaps forevermore. I don't see myself digging into the needlessly (with its updates) grindy MEA MP.
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Post by lavigne on Nov 15, 2023 17:38:12 GMT
I played it through once. I've tried to replay it twice to play the sibling, however I gave up both times a couple of missions in. The exploring is tedious to the extreme, and the prospect of wading through that, even minimally, is just an instant turn off for me. I'd say $5 is a no-brainer though. It's good for at least one play-through, but when you know what to expect then there's a good chance you won't want to replay it. But still, $5 for 20-30 hours of game play is ok IMO. Yeah, its like, fine, like, yeah. Haha. I'm very much a big shrug about MEA. It didn't accomplish its objectives IMO, but if it was say, the first game of a new scifi series (obviously stripped of relation to previous Mass Effects), it'd have been a potentially intriguing first entry. Not 10/10, probably not even 8/10, and people wouldn't necessarily *love* it still, but I think it'd have gotten a fairer shake. Reduce the price some, and many would love it in a way some love Eurojank. This is damning with faint praise but I really do mean the faint praise. I personally don't want everything of MEA left behind. There's a whole list of things I enjoy enough about it, even with they always come with a caveat that I didn't love how they were a part of that particular game. Like the music; I like much of the OST! The placement of it and volume balancing really messed up though. That's just one example. I did my 100% on a dying PC (could still play on High-ish but there were framerate hitches), and intended on at least one more full playthrough, and I'll get around to it, but haven't yet. When I do my full series/MELE playthrough, it'll include that one run of MEA then I'll leave it alone perhaps forevermore. I don't see myself digging into the needlessly (with its updates) grindy MEA MP. I just can't face the prospect of another play through. I'm really hoping that any new game that draws on MEA includes another interactive comic so that I don't have to actually replay the game.. If there was a way of stripping out all the tedious stuff, it would probably take about 10 hours to complete. I could do that!
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Nov 15, 2023 18:34:32 GMT
Even if you skip all the 70 hours of some terrible aliexpress knockoff of an Ubisoft open world fetch quest bloat, you still have to stomach playing as a massive whimp who gets walked all over by random nobody thugs, worthless incompetent politicians and even your own subordinates (the failed cop and the schizo asari needed an all expenses paid one way trip out the airlock after the shit they pull).
The game needs a complete rewrite with about 3000% more Renegade interrupts before it would be worth playing. Face is tired bitch, wannabe dictator salarian shitbird and clown colored bandit queen all deserved to be slapped, shot, incinerated by a fuel pipe or shoved out a window far more than Udina or that poor eclipse merc/krogan ever did.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 15, 2023 19:38:59 GMT
According to my PS5 I have logged played MEA for 641 hours, DA1 for 609 hours, Assassin' Creed: Valhalla 409 hours, and ME:LE 209 hours. I have played Shepard's story and have very little interest in a post-Reaper War MWG I not interested in rebuilding a failed state and any stories would just rip-offs of Battlestar Galactica which I have more than enough of in my sci-fi diet and want something more light hearted and fun.
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