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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 6, 2023 8:37:39 GMT
Afaik darkspawn avoid Red Lyrium like a plague. Bioware better make some amazing reason for combining them. They do? Since when? I think Darkspawn tend to avoid normal Lyrium as evidenced by the Bastion of the Pure but considering that the Red stuff is Blighted Lyrium it wouldn't make much sense for them to avoid it and that would seem to be the bad writing. I agree there is no evidence that the darkspawn avoid red lyrium. If anything I would imagine the "song" it emits would attract them, which might also explain the aversion to pure lyrium as its "song" probably causes them pain. Also, we've known since the concept art and trailer from 2020 that red lyrium darkspawn are a thing and those infused with it are likely even more powerful, which would explain the writers deciding to combine the two.
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Post by saandrig on Dec 6, 2023 9:01:00 GMT
They do? Since when? I think Darkspawn tend to avoid normal Lyrium as evidenced by the Bastion of the Pure but considering that the Red stuff is Blighted Lyrium it wouldn't make much sense for them to avoid it and that would seem to be the bad writing. They avoid since the introduction of Red Lyrium. The Ancient Thaig was clear of darkspawn and they haven't even touched it for millennia. I am pretty sure there were Codex tidbits that pointed how darkspawn and Red Lyrium don't mix, mainly because the darkspawn are absent near it. But Red Lyrium actually doesn't mix with anyone, so maybe it's the darkspawn having some sense.
DAI was also very careful in making sure the darkspawn don't appear in Red Lyrium parts of any map.
Also worth of note is that until DA2 Red Lyrium was virtually unknown to the world. But we know that the darkspawn are still moving and present near normal lyrium veins and have been for millennia. We see it even in the Descent DLC, although the deeper we go, the less darkspawn signs there are - probably because of the guardians and the Titan presence. But there were plenty darkspawn near the rich lyrium veins in the higher Descent areas. And despite the constant darkspawn presence, no regular Lyrium has ever turned to Red for millennia. Which suggest the correlation is not Darkspawn>Red Lyrium, but most likely Red Lyrium>Darkspawn. Or they are two different ancient experiments gone bad.
My theory is that the Black City is a quarantined zone for a highly infectious Red Lyrium (or similar) that spreads the Blight virus. On the other hand the Red Lyrium we saw so far doesn't spread the Blight (that we know of), but grants powers (like super-boosted normal Lyrium) and creates a twisted crazy thrall-like behavior (like the normal Titan thralls seem to act, minus the crazy twisted). The way Corypheus used Red Lyrium makes me think he was at least aware of what it does. In a way he even seemed to be under its influence as well.
Combining Red Lyrium and Darkspawn seems redundant. They are basically the same side of a coin - Blight. The darkspawn already can use Blight Magic and are thralls. Adding Red Lyrium to them may be a super booster, but contradicts some established lore. And would require someone with great control over the darkspawn (Old God Dragon perhaps?) and understanding of Red Lyrium, plus a supply of it. And the supply is a curious thing. How, where, etc.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 6, 2023 9:14:14 GMT
full reveal summer 2024, release date 2034 with possible delay to 2044 All jokes aside, I's guessing that voice at the end is going to be for Elgar'nan & BW are going to double-down on on the Elven gods were evil, Solas was right route. Just a thought in my head, we'll see what's revealed in summer. No, the last voice is definitely an old god. It is mixed with a dragon's growl. Hey, old goods = elven gods
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Post by saandrig on Dec 6, 2023 9:24:07 GMT
No, the last voice is definitely an old god. It is mixed with a dragon's growl. Hey, old goods = elven gods Heresy!
As Dorian said as a crazy Inquisitor in Greedfall while choking you to death - "RENOUNCE YOUR GODS!!!"
Listen to the only truth - mine! And don't ask for proof, heathens! Take it all on faith. It's in the name after all! The Elven gods are locked away somewhere tight, be it Black City or an Eluvian type dimension. The "Old God" Dragons are the seals that keep them locked.
I like the idea of an Old God Dragon retaining some regular consciousness and running around with an own agenda. Solas can't afford to kill it, but has to somehow deal with it.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 6, 2023 14:31:22 GMT
Hey, old goods = elven gods Heresy!
As Dorian said as a crazy Inquisitor in Greedfall while choking you to death - "RENOUNCE YOUR GODS!!!"
Listen to the only truth - mine! And don't ask for proof, heathens! Take it all on faith. It's in the name after all! The Elven gods are locked away somewhere tight, be it Black City or an Eluvian type dimension. The "Old God" Dragons are the seals that keep them locked.
I like the idea of an Old God Dragon retaining some regular consciousness and running around with an own agenda. Solas can't afford to kill it, but has to somehow deal with it.
What if Old Gods could switch between dragon form and humanoid form, just like... No, no, no. You ain't getting your crazy ideas into my head!
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 6, 2023 15:28:01 GMT
more ideas from Jackdaw.
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Post by Beerfish on Dec 6, 2023 16:24:38 GMT
Ugh, the Crows, another totally incompetent organization. Grey Wardens? Unless we have a blight I don't want to hear from those whiney wasteful bastards. Combat? I am not too worried about it, I will adapt, UNLESS they go all dark souls. Give me good companions, some actual good sidequests and a villain I can hate but respect. But the Crows are usually funnily incompetent.
The Grey Wardens are a blight themselves. But just outside actual Blights.
If they go Dark Souls, ooops, I just went Cheat Engine modifying.
So we want another DA2? Deal DA2 was my fav game so yeah i'd go for that. The fact that DA2 took like 2 year to make vs 10 is something else.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 6, 2023 16:27:35 GMT
Interestingly, he indicates at 11.46 that the voice over the Antivan section is definitely Teia and she is portrayed by Karolina Rasa (well that is the spelling the close caption gives). Does anyone know where he obtained that information? Does he simply mean her portrayal in the comic series was based off that person as a model or is this actual information concerning the voice on the teaser? I was pretty convinced there are two different voices on that section, with the second definitely referencing the Crows being older and likely Catarina Delamorte, whilst the first one could be Teia or someone unconnected with the Crows. Also it was interesting that he thought the dragon rumble at the end with the wolf howl were an indication of Solas and his wolf dragon hybrid, whereas I thought the dragon was associated with the human voice and an indication that they probably had a connection with a dragon in some way, with the wolf howl being Solas offering his challenge to their plan. So, any thoughts about which it might be?
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Post by g_scoundrel on Dec 6, 2023 19:02:21 GMT
It's Carolina Ravassa (thanks Google), and it might be just his speculation, like other people speculate Voice 3 is male Hawke and voice 4 is Patrick Stewart. Maker it's so hard to write here via phone
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Post by Solas on Dec 6, 2023 19:08:18 GMT
We have what now?
Afaik darkspawn avoid Red Lyrium like a plague. Bioware better make some amazing reason for combining them.
They do? Since when? I think Darkspawn tend to avoid normal Lyrium as evidenced by the Bastion of the Pure but considering that the Red stuff is Blighted Lyrium it wouldn't make much sense for them to avoid it and that would seem to be the bad writing. some people think this dude is a red lyrium darkspawn
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Post by Iddy on Dec 6, 2023 22:58:00 GMT
On a different note, how do you guys imagine a Qunari protagonist would be viable in this game? (If at all)
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Post by colfoley on Dec 6, 2023 23:19:08 GMT
Ashe throws her hat in the ring on the analysis.
Her mentioning and talking about the shift to leader and drawing attention to it is an interesting one.
On the one hand this could indicate a shift back to the stupid binary morality of Origins where being evil means being a raging, moronic, psychopath most of the time. It it could indicate a general shift towards a shadow war and like how she tied in with the n7 day a character which will have to make tough choices.
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Post by SwobyJ on Dec 6, 2023 23:22:32 GMT
On a different note, how do you guys imagine a Qunari protagonist would be viable in this game? (If at all) Every region having some excuse for things ranging from barely tolerating a Qunari (rather, Vashoth Kossith?), to them being a normal sight (such as possible Qunari occupation in a part of Antiva). We could be in a particular point in time that Kossith in northern Thedas isn't so very unusual or necessarily immediately threatening. Tevinter could be too immediately crippled to do too much about their presence (or otherwise we REALLY exist in the shadows), Antiva could be hosting them, Rivain isn't that hostile to them, and Anderfels may have other, horrible fish to fry. That's how the Eluvian can be useful for storytelling - put us in hotspots where ultimately, few care too much as long as you're willing to help. But it also could be what keeps us from Seheron or Nevarra. Seheron could be written to be too much of a conflict spot or else just Qunari land that Bioware doesn't want to deal too much with yet, and Nevarra could be.. fine until further notice, so just popping in there, assuming race selection is a thing, might not make much sense. But this is just me handwaving stuff. We'll probably be collecting the more shadowy sorts in northern Thedas, and we may end up a very unsung hero that may very well be the new 'Dreadwolf', the hero of a major crisis that nonetheless ends up rather demonized.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 7, 2023 2:38:55 GMT
Just having another look at this... Treviso is in surprisingly good shape given the occupation. I wonder if they'll let us boat around the canals...
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 7, 2023 8:02:20 GMT
Interestingly, he indicates at 11.46 that the voice over the Antivan section is definitely Teia and she is portrayed by Karolina Rasa (well that is the spelling the close caption gives). Does anyone know where he obtained that information? Does he simply mean her portrayal in the comic series was based off that person as a model or is this actual information concerning the voice on the teaser? I was pretty convinced there are two different voices on that section, with the second definitely referencing the Crows being older and likely Catarina Delamorte, whilst the first one could be Teia or someone unconnected with the Crows. Also it was interesting that he thought the dragon rumble at the end with the wolf howl were an indication of Solas and his wolf dragon hybrid, whereas I thought the dragon was associated with the human voice and an indication that they probably had a connection with a dragon in some way, with the wolf howl being Solas offering his challenge to their plan. So, any thoughts about which it might be? He discusses this in his live. The Voice actress was a guess from a watcher and he looked it up and lissen to her voice. Like you see with the other voice actor. Teia is his guess to. The live goes 5 hours, but you need only the first hour or so.
And i am sure the crow voice is one femal voice because their is a Pattern. Coutry, voice and picture. If the crow where 2 the other have to be 2 as well.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 7, 2023 8:11:51 GMT
Just having another look at this... Treviso is in surprisingly good shape given the occupation. I wonder if they'll let us boat around the canals... Jackdaw was having similar thoughts in his anyalisis video.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 7, 2023 8:14:37 GMT
On a different note, how do you guys imagine a Qunari protagonist would be viable in this game? (If at all) It'll be a step back if they didn't include the horned beef boi. So I imagine they'll be playable.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 7, 2023 8:22:49 GMT
On a different note, how do you guys imagine a Qunari protagonist would be viable in this game? (If at all) It'll be a step back if they didn't include the horned beef boi. So I imagine they'll be playable. So do I but this is something I've been wondering in the back of my head how they are going to make it work given all the information out there.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 7, 2023 8:43:31 GMT
On a different note, how do you guys imagine a Qunari protagonist would be viable in this game? (If at all) Could be a defector from the Antaam, or a prisoner of war, or a slave, or an inhabitant of the Kon-Tar region in Rivain which is attacked in retaliation for what the Antaam are doing elsewhere (in Tevinter Nights they were targeted by a follower of Solas wanting to bring the neutral Qunari into the war with Tevinter), or they could be a Grey Warden recruit (if they go down the path of starting us with a faction). There are plenty of ways they could justify their involvement but we might have to endure even more prejudice than we did in DAI. Nevertheless, anyone who knows about Solas is getting to be pretty suspicious of any elf, so they might suffer even more from preconceptions than a qunari would. Of course a lot depends on where they are in the timeline of the Antaam's war against Tevinter. The Missing had them as far south as Vyrantium, which appeared to be under siege. I'd love to know why the Imperium has mounted such a lousy defense this time round. The latest teaser didn't seem to suggest that Antiva was currently under atack despite the fact that the short story last year had the attack on Treviso fully underway. The associated writing with the teaser suggested was that something odd was happening. I'd call an direct assault by the Antaam a little more than "disturbing". However, if they were trying to undermine the leadership prior to a peaceful coup that would fit with what we learned in Tevinter Nights, so that short story last year did seem out of place. I've always maintained the Antaam would be crazy to divide their forces onto two fronts, particularly when breaking the Llomerryn Accords would automatically bring in the rest of Thedas against them, so a covert operation does seem the better approach and something a lone Hero and their companions might be able to counter.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 7, 2023 8:52:07 GMT
And i am sure the crow voice is one femal voice because their is a Pattern. Coutry, voice and picture. If the crow where 2 the other have to be 2 as well. Then I stand by my assessment that at the end it sounds like an older person, so far more likely to be Catarina than Teia. However, one does it have to be one voice? If there is some dissent among the Crow leadership, two voices could hint at this. Initially the voice declares they are fighting for all but then asserts the Crow's supremacy, so the first seems to see themselves as defending all the people of Antiva, whilst the second is asserting protecting the status of the Crows. Of course, they could be mutually compatible, since the Crows have only enjoyed their status because their reputation had discouraged attacks by other nations but if that deterrent has now failed, then not just the ordinary people but the royalty and merchant princes might feel they no longer owed the Crows anything. I would mention that during the 4th Blight, the Crows didn't seem to do much to protect the ordinary citizens and it was left to the Grey Wardens to evacuate the nobility, albeit with the assistance of one Crow mage. So, the Crows looking after themselves and disappearing until the situation improves would not be a new thing. Also, the 2020 Behind the Scenes video talked about our Hero and their team dealing with problems that those responsible for leadership were ignoring. Now the Crows know the Antaam are a threat and seemed intent on dealing with it but may be things changed. It will be interesting to see what the writers do with Antiva
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Dec 7, 2023 15:22:56 GMT
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Post by Bann Duncan on Dec 7, 2023 18:46:22 GMT
Lmao I love how Gaider made a comment on the art of one of the cities, which he found cool, then someone replied asking for his full thoughts and he said there's no other substance in the trailer. I love how the ex BioWare (and even current BioWare team, on their priv accounts) writers are calling things out now.
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Post by SwobyJ on Dec 7, 2023 19:12:11 GMT
Lmao I love how Gaider made a comment on the art of one of the cities, which he found cool, then someone replied asking for his full thoughts and he said there's no other substance in the trailer. I love how the ex BioWare (and even current BioWare team, on their priv accounts) writers are calling things out now. Well he's basically right. Anything else there only alludes to things, suggests possible things, etc. But that's not what we'd call *of substance*.
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Post by Beerfish on Dec 7, 2023 19:22:57 GMT
On a different note, how do you guys imagine a Qunari protagonist would be viable in this game? (If at all) Not for me unless I can make him/her a turn coat Qunari who wants the Qunari off the continent.
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Post by g_scoundrel on Dec 7, 2023 19:36:15 GMT
Just having another look at this... Treviso is in surprisingly good shape given the occupation. I wonder if they'll let us boat around the canals... I've never noticed it until I read it somewhere else (I barely keep up!) but there's a Qunari banner hanging off the middle building so it looks our romantic boats will be watched at all times
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