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Post by colfoley on Dec 7, 2023 23:10:31 GMT
Honestly if there is anything of substance in these trailers then Bioware will have failed at making trailers. At least in terms of character and story. Trailers are supposed to tease and cause speculation. Not give the game away.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 8, 2023 1:37:01 GMT
Honestly if there is anything of substance in these trailers then Bioware will have failed at making trailers. At least in terms of character and story. Trailers are supposed to tease and cause speculation. Not give the game away. The thing is, it leaves us speculating about whether the game even exists. Static images and voiceover aren't very reassuring.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 8, 2023 1:43:40 GMT
Honestly if there is anything of substance in these trailers then Bioware will have failed at making trailers. At least in terms of character and story. Trailers are supposed to tease and cause speculation. Not give the game away. The thing is, it leaves us speculating about whether the game even exists. Static images and voiceover aren't very eeassuring. Depends on who you are I suppose but I'm very reassured right now. A. we got more information in this trailer then we have ever done before without it straying too far into the 'giving the game away territory'. And B. they have now given us a very specific time frame for more information.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Dec 8, 2023 4:35:27 GMT
Lmao I love how Gaider made a comment on the art of one of the cities, which he found cool, then someone replied asking for his full thoughts and he said there's no other substance in the trailer. I love how the ex BioWare (and even current BioWare team, on their priv accounts) writers are calling things out now. Well he's basically right. Anything else there only alludes to things, suggests possible things, etc. But that's not what we'd call *of substance*. I think they're just throwing pretty things at the wall to see if anything sticks.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 8, 2023 8:12:44 GMT
I've never noticed it until I read it somewhere else (I barely keep up!) but there's a Qunari banner hanging off the middle building so it looks our romantic boats will be watched at all times My eyesight isn't what it once was as I can't see the banner even when it is pointed out. May be if it was daylight. So, if there is a Qunari banner on display, that would suggest they hold at least part of the city. That would fit with last year's short story but that city looks too peaceful to be under occupation, if only partial. Plus it doesn't fit with the blurb that was posted about Antiva. The Crows think something doesn't seem right about the city. Well, occupation by a group of horned giants would certainly qualify. So, what else could be odd that is more worrying to the Crows than occupation by the Qunari? Yikes!
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 8, 2023 8:26:46 GMT
Trailers are supposed to tease and cause speculation. Not give the game away. Exactly and that is what we have been missing for the last year if you don't count the comic series and the "leak". Remember how much fun we had speculating about potential companions during the protracted lead in to DAI? How we wondered about "Dramatic hands moustache guy" who turned out to be Dorian and had all sorts of theories about Solas when he was revealed. I remember an early trailer where they just took us on an ariel tour of locations we would be visiting, introducing it as showing what was at stake that we needed to save. I get similar sort of vibes about this latest teaser, particularly the view of Treviso and I think the associated blurb on the website even suggested as much. There was very little new information to come out of the teaser. It confirmed that most of the city concept art was of Antiva and the Crows are going to be heavily involved in the game, that Weisshaupt Fortress and the Grey Wardens are going to feature and that Tevinter is probably going to be the main focus. Rivain did come as something of a surprise. Whilst it had seemed likely we might get a companion who originated from there, I didn't expect to be actually visiting it. However, given the emphasis on its maritime connection, that would fit with the concept art of shipwrecks and sea monsters, so now we know the context for those. Also, in keeping with the concept art in the Bioware anniversary book it would seem that one or more ancient gods will be returning to Thedas, or at least someone claiming to be them. Speculation is always part of the fun in the lead up to games. The main disappointment is that we are going to have to wait for 6 months or so for anything specific to work with. Don't think what we have seen in the latest teaser is going to be sufficient to fill in that amount of time.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 8, 2023 8:41:35 GMT
Trailers are supposed to tease and cause speculation. Not give the game away. Exactly and that is what we have been missing for the last year if you don't count the comic series and the "leak". Remember how much fun we had speculating about potential companions during the protracted lead in to DAI? How we wondered about "Dramatic hands moustache guy" who turned out to be Dorian and had all sorts of theories about Solas when he was revealed. I remember an early trailer where they just took us on an ariel tour of locations we would be visiting, introducing it as showing what was at stake that we needed to save. I get similar sort of vibes about this latest teaser, particularly the view of Treviso and I think the associated blurb on the website even suggested as much. There was very little new information to come out of the teaser. It confirmed that most of the city concept art was of Antiva and the Crows are going to be heavily involved in the game, that Weisshaupt Fortress and the Grey Wardens are going to feature and that Tevinter is probably going to be the main focus. Rivain did come as something of a surprise. Whilst it had seemed likely we might get a companion who originated from there, I didn't expect to be actually visiting it. However, given the emphasis on its maritime connection, that would fit with the concept art of shipwrecks and sea monsters, so now we know the context for those. Also, in keeping with the concept art in the Bioware anniversary book it would seem that one or more ancient gods will be returning to Thedas, or at least someone claiming to be them. Speculation is always part of the fun in the lead up to games. The main disappointment is that we are going to have to wait for 6 months or so for anything specific to work with. Don't think what we have seen in the latest teaser is going to be sufficient to fill in that amount of time. Not sure I agree, at least with what I think your message is. I really wasn't hooked into the Dragon Age fandom too much around Inquisition came out. But for the speculation and teasing with what we got so far The 2018 trailer- The resurgence of the Red Lyrium Idol which came as quite a surprise as well as the introduction of the 'tamborine' and then what seemed like a bald Elf (Solas) on one side protecting a tree (presumably a tree at the heart of an alienage) against the Dread Wolf. Lots of speculation and the start of some marketing trends. The 2020 game awards trailer- The introduction of 'moonhead' and 'beetle' as well as the Varric voice over. The 2022 DA Day trailer- Solas's description, him looking like he is going to tear down the Veil, very specific imagery relating to the black city, and then the Tamborine gets a very interesting symbolic update. And then finally the 2023 DA Day trailer... Plus a lot of other little things here and there in the Missing, Absolution, the Vinyl release, and a few things all seems to be painting some sort of pretty specific picture pointing in a direction...thus speculation and teasing has been abound thus far and they even have pushed the envelope imo with the 2022 trailer.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 8, 2023 10:02:40 GMT
I would say that the most interesting teasers during the last 8 years have been:
2018 reintroduction of the red lyrium idol. This was then confirmed in Tevinter Nights as being important to Solas. I think this was a positive move on their part because the idol always seemed more significant than just what occurred in DA2. Initially this seemed because of its construction from red lyrium, which was highlighted and had revelations concerning it in DAI, but bringing back the idol confirmed it was significant in itself. The "tamborine" did cause a degree of speculation but it could only take us so far.
2022 DA Day Trailer: This linked back to the tamborine in a significant way. Suddenly all the speculation about the Old Gods and the Evanuris was given a fresh significance. I also saw a connection between the image of Solas with the sword and what was described in Dread Wolf Take You by the Mortalitasi in Tevinter Nights. Of course, people who hadn't read the book wouldn't spot this.
My main point was that whilst we have been given little tit-bits of information that we could speculate about, that only keep us going for a few weeks and then it was back to the lengthy wait for anything new, so enthusiasm tended to die down again. I feel we now have a fairly broad picture of where they will be taking us, factions we will encounter and connection with lore from past games but I seem to be suffering from teaser fatigue. Back in 2020 when that trailer came out with Varric's VA and culminating with Solas, I got really excited and enthusiastic about the new game but 3 years later to some extent I feel I am just going through the motions with speculation and not getting the same thrill as before in seeing it. May be it is because most of it has been shown before and perhaps the fact that they have confirmed the big reveal is still six months away.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 8, 2023 11:09:08 GMT
I think that trailer was clearly meant for existing fans to give them something to talk and speculate about. It doesn't look like it's suitable to attract any new players since it's so completely substance free without any glimpse at the actual game itself. If I didn't know any better I'd think it's showing something that's in pre-production instead of close to release. To the average person it probably just says "Here is a fantasy setting and something's awry". That's as generic as it gets.
The only thing that I found mildly interesting was that apparently Sir Patrick Stewart is voicing someone who'd like to be in charge of the world and thinks he's going to do a better job than everyone else including Solas just after we handed the previous ancient evil an eviction notice. No wait, that was ten years ago.
As far as trailers go BioWare really needs to up their game a bit... but maybe their actual marketing trailers (as opposed to this one being another from the "we're not dead yet" shelf) will be great.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 8, 2023 11:14:50 GMT
I would say that the most interesting teasers during the last 8 years have been: 2018 reintroduction of the red lyrium idol. This was then confirmed in Tevinter Nights as being important to Solas. I think this was a positive move on their part because the idol always seemed more significant than just what occurred in DA2. Initially this seemed because of its construction from red lyrium, which was highlighted and had revelations concerning it in DAI, but bringing back the idol confirmed it was significant in itself. The "tamborine" did cause a degree of speculation but it could only take us so far. 2022 DA Day Trailer: This linked back to the tamborine in a significant way. Suddenly all the speculation about the Old Gods and the Evanuris was given a fresh significance. I also saw a connection between the image of Solas with the sword and what was described in Dread Wolf Take You by the Mortalitasi in Tevinter Nights. Of course, people who hadn't read the book wouldn't spot this. My main point was that whilst we have been given little tit-bits of information that we could speculate about, that only keep us going for a few weeks and then it was back to the lengthy wait for anything new, so enthusiasm tended to die down again. I feel we now have a fairly broad picture of where they will be taking us, factions we will encounter and connection with lore from past games but I seem to be suffering from teaser fatigue. Back in 2020 when that trailer came out with Varric's VA and culminating with Solas, I got really excited and enthusiastic about the new game but 3 years later to some extent I feel I am just going through the motions with speculation and not getting the same thrill as before in seeing it. May be it is because most of it has been shown before and perhaps the fact that they have confirmed the big reveal is still six months away. I'm not unsympathetic but I also have a slightly different take on it. Sure you are right that we're just probably going to be talking about this thing for a couple of weeks, if that, but really that is kind of a situation that would've happened regardless. Unless they go all out on a very short, very condensed, marketing blitz there is still bound to be down time even after marketing kicks in over the summer. One of the benefits of having a shorter campaign I guess. And well as the post above mine indicates BioWare was forced in kind of a damned if you do position where they did have to at least read some kind of trailer in order to at least let us know they were still kicking. Ugh its been far too long even since Andromeda. But yeah, I remain excited.
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Post by celestielf on Dec 8, 2023 18:31:53 GMT
Ghil'dirthalen pointed out that the last VA in the trailer sounds a lot like Joseph Capp as the Shadow Prince in DoS2. He also voiced Nere in BG3. After listening to a lot of different VA's people threw out there for this mystery voice, I agree that Joseph Capp is the closest fit I've heard so far. Not that it gives us any clue as to who that voice belongs to, character wise.
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Post by wright1978 on Dec 9, 2023 19:46:47 GMT
Are the 'risen gods' the Evanuris. If so does that make the voice at the end Elgar'nan. If so 'peace and comfort' sign my MC up. Happy to deliver solas on a platter too. I can take the grey warden's pious grandstanding but seriously rolling my eyes(& concerned about MC and any nuanced morality) if crows are claiming to be 'ruling for everyone'
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Post by Iddy on Dec 10, 2023 2:31:25 GMT
Are the 'risen gods' the Evanuris. If so does that make the voice at the end Elgar'nan. If so 'peace and comfort' sign my MC up. Happy to deliver solas on a platter too. I can take the grey warden's pious grandstanding but seriously rolling my eyes(& concerned about MC and any nuanced morality) if crows are claiming to be 'ruling for everyone'
That's what I've been thinking too. If the howl at the end is meant to be Solas standing against the villain in the teaser, then it doesn't make sense to think it is an Old God. After all, he completely opposed the Grey Wardens' plan to destroy the Old Gods preventively.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2023 8:47:04 GMT
After all, he completely opposed the Grey Wardens' plan to destroy the Old Gods preventively. We don't know exactly why be objected to their action but his anxiety over preventing it could have something to do with what happens when all the Old Gods are dead. He makes this point to Blackwall and he hasn't been the only one to ask this question. If the Old Gods are what is keeping the darkspawn underground, then if all the Old Gods are killed, it could result in an endless Blight on the surface. Another theory that has been put forward is that the Old Gods were part of his trap and each time one is freed, it weakens the wards holding back the Evanuris. Solas didn't want them released until he was ready to deal with them. Also, if the Old Gods are related to the Evanuris, I had a theory that perhaps killing the dragon releases the soul to return to its counterpart wherever they are located, making them stronger as a result, rather than simply destroying it as the Grey Wardens believe. This would fit with Flemeth wanting to capture the essence and absorb it, so she has the power instead. The only problem with this is that the outcome for the Old Gods has not been consistent, particularly when it comes to our decision in DAO, so this would introduce a variant that has to be accounted for in the narrative going forward. Nevertheless, there is some possibility of a split soul of the Evanuris being involved with the Old God dragons and if the last two were to arise without being corrupted this could be interesting.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Dec 16, 2023 4:53:36 GMT
Yet another teaser for a teaser. Getting tired of being strung along.
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Post by Spectr61 on Dec 16, 2023 17:59:25 GMT
Yet another teaser for a teaser. Getting tired of being strung along. C'mon, it's only been a decade. Sheesh.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 16, 2023 20:49:04 GMT
After all, he completely opposed the Grey Wardens' plan to destroy the Old Gods preventively. We don't know exactly why be objected to their action but his anxiety over preventing it could have something to do with what happens when all the Old Gods are dead. He makes this point to Blackwall and he hasn't been the only one to ask this question. If the Old Gods are what is keeping the darkspawn underground, then if all the Old Gods are killed, it could result in an endless Blight on the surface. Another theory that has been put forward is that the Old Gods were part of his trap and each time one is freed, it weakens the wards holding back the Evanuris. Solas didn't want them released until he was ready to deal with them. Also, if the Old Gods are related to the Evanuris, I had a theory that perhaps killing the dragon releases the soul to return to its counterpart wherever they are located, making them stronger as a result, rather than simply destroying it as the Grey Wardens believe. This would fit with Flemeth wanting to capture the essence and absorb it, so she has the power instead. The only problem with this is that the outcome for the Old Gods has not been consistent, particularly when it comes to our decision in DAO, so this would introduce a variant that has to be accounted for in the narrative going forward. Nevertheless, there is some possibility of a split soul of the Evanuris being involved with the Old God dragons and if the last two were to arise without being corrupted this could be interesting. At this point, it may be more of a question of "what kind" of connection there is between the Evanuris and the Old Gods, rather than "if". Isn't it odd that Flemeth was able to take the Urthemiel's soul into herself with such ease. There must be a certain compatibility. And back in DAO, she made it a priority to get her hands on it. Unlike Morrigan, I don't think she would seek the OG soul out of greed or romantic views on old magic. On a side note, does anyone think the villain at the end was Elgar'nan?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 17, 2023 8:59:43 GMT
Isn't it odd that Flemeth was able to take the Urthemiel's soul into herself with such ease. There must be a certain compatibility. Absolutely. Morrigan confirmed this when talking about Flemeth transferring to the body of one of her daughters and how the more alike the object of the transfer is to the original, the easier it is for the soul to bed in. However, Flemeth also says that the soul cannot be forced on the unwilling. Hence, the Arch-demon not being able to jump to a Grey Warden in the same way it jumps to an ordinary darkspawn. Yet Cory was able to jump to Wardens, which presumably has to do with his control over their mind. This is also relevant to what happens at the end with Flemeth and Solas. Whatever passed from Flemeth to Solas clearly was clearly willing to transfer and Solas was willing to receive it but also Solas was sufficiently alike that the transfer could take place. This would seem to be a spiritual compatibility as much as a bodily one. After all, Flemeth and Kieran are human but Mythal was elven, yet she made the original transfer to Flemeth from the Fade. I suppose a clue might lie in the fact that spirits can possess the bodies of mortals and coexist with the original soul, as with Wynne and Anders, but if this is a forcible possession the result is an abomination, both spiritually and physically. It is easier for spirits to possess mages than non-mages because the former already have a stronger link to the Fade and, possibly, something within their blood, (traces of lyrium maybe?), that eases the transition. In the case of Kieran, the physical marker was the darkspawn blood and the soul had not yet developed enough of an identity to reject the incoming one. I also find it interesting that Kieran was suffering from troubled dreams but after Urthemiel had passed to Flemeth, he asked and was reassured there would be "no more dreams". And back in DAO, she made it a priority to get her hands on it. Which again I feel ties in with Solas' concern about the Grey Wardens killing the last two Old Gods. Flemeth says it was "snatched from the jaws of darkness", which almost makes it sound like a rescue mission. Perhaps that has to do with freeing it from the corruption of the blight, which Flemeth was clearly concerned with. There does seem a definite connection between the Blight/red lyrium and what happened with Mythal and the other gods. Solas says they were driven by a desire for power when they killed her. Were they lusting after red lyrium? Had she realised the danger it posed? Is saving the souls of the Old Gods part of her revenge over those who killed her? On a side note, does anyone think the villain at the end was Elgar'nan? If it is one of the Evanuris, I think he is the most likely candidate and the dragon rumble was likely him in dragon form. The alternative would be the Old God, Lusacan, who could be one and the same with Elgar'nan, him being the god and light and darkness in the Dalish legend. Another candidate would be Falon'Din who was linked with Lusacan in the codex about the constellation Tenebrium. Whatever the identity of speaker, I think the wolf howl following was a clear indication that Solas would be in opposition to them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 17, 2023 15:30:37 GMT
At this point, it may be more of a question of "what kind" of connection there is between the Evanuris and the Old Gods, rather than "if". Forgot to ask in previous post. Who do you think the other god is, assuming they are the two individuals painted by Solas in his mural? The two most obvious candidates are Andruil or Ghilan'nain. In the concept art showing an "evil god" threatening Thedas, the individual is holding a glowing spear, something the codex in the ToM says that Andruil was known for. There is a load of weird stuff happening in the Arlathan Forest which Strife says in TN was the domain of Andruil. However, when he and Irelin are featured in the DA Day short story, they are seeking a halla statue, which we would associate with Ghilan'nain. There has also been a focus on someone in Trespasser, whom we assume is Ghilan'nain, conducting experiments on elves(?) and then in TN the Horror of Hormak seems to make continued references to Ghilan'nain in association with the strange pools. We also know from the entry about her elevation to godhood that she created a great many monsters, the majority of which she was later obliged to destroy. However, the Dalish have always linked her with Andruil as her chosen and the text about her monsters seems to imply that she created them in order to give Andruil new prey to hunt. It was also Andruil who approached her on behalf of the other gods to get her to destroy them in return for elevating her to their ranks. It does appear that Ghilan'nain was subordinate to Andruil and did her bidding. So, ultimately, perhaps the responsibility for the pools and the monsters lies with Andruil as Ghilan'nain was only doing as ordered. Was it Mythal who brought pressure to bear on Andruil to instruct her to do this? Then Pride (Solas) intervened with Ghilan'nain to prevent the destruction of the sea monsters. Was that due to Mythal wanting to save them or did he do this on his own? If we go by the gods who likely had the biggest grudge against Mythal and most likely to be responsible for her death, then Falon'Din and Andruil would be the two featured gods in the mural. They were also the two kept out of the inner sanctum in the ToM, suggesting the priesthood may have moved them after the episodes in which Mythal had to discipline them and bring them back under her control. However, the other gods may well have been persuaded or tricked into helping them. An extra thought. I saw a suggestion somewhere on You Tube that since Mythal desires vengeance and Elgar'nan's name literally means "Spirit of Vengeance", then possibly she had already absorbed/united with him.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 18, 2023 10:20:25 GMT
Who do you think the other god is, assuming they are the two individuals painted by Solas in his mural? For me the one with the water. See Bioware book. Is very likely Ghilan'nain. She has created the Seemonster. For the other i am not so sure. I think Elgar'nan or Dirthamen can fit. the second because the one in the mural looks like Dirthamens Vallaslin. And the other: if we go to the solas in game introduction the same symbols as the head of the one in the mural, is in the center. Elgar'nan as Leader would get the center place i belive.
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Post by n7double07 on Dec 30, 2023 6:57:02 GMT
Are the 'risen gods' the Evanuris. If so does that make the voice at the end Elgar'nan.
This is the common sense answer. I don't get how no one seems to have thought this lol
The corrupted Solas theory is plausible, but Elgar'nan is what my mind jumped straight to.
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Post by SwobyJ on Dec 30, 2023 19:38:41 GMT
Are the 'risen gods' the Evanuris. If so does that make the voice at the end Elgar'nan.
This is the common sense answer. I don't get how no one seems to have thought this lol
The corrupted Solas theory is plausible, but Elgar'nan is what my mind jumped straight to.
I did.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 1, 2024 12:11:58 GMT
I've been looking at the Bioware site and the page associated with the trailer on DA Day. I noticed a couple of things I don't think have been mentioned before.
First, an interview with Corinne B with the following: [Corinne] Thank you, Mark! I fondly remember playing each entry in the Dragon Age franchise, being completely immersed and enamored in the world you all had built. It amazes me to be here now, working alongside you and the team, to bring new stories and characters (not to mention a few returning characters) to all of the fans of the franchise. Dragon Age: Dreadwolf is the product of hard work and love. We know how much this world means to all of you, how these experiences stay with you. We want to get it right, so we’ve taken our time.
So confirmation that there will be more than just Varric returning. Harding seems another likely candidate based off the Missing and the epilogue to Trespasser, with Charter also likely based off the various comic series. That would amount to a "few" returning characters but it is possible it could mean more. Dorian is obviously the most likely in Tevinter but I suppose we could encounter familiar faces in other locations.
Further down the page in the general blurb about the upcoming game it says: Know this, though: The Dread Wolf has not been idle these past years. His reach is far, and soon his plans will come to fruition—a cataclysmic rejoining of magic and realms hundreds of years in the making.
That is curious as it suggests his plan started many centuries in the past, yet he claims he was napping for millennia and only awoke around a year before he joined the Inquisition. However, was that the action of Solas himself or Flemeth/Mythal? She has certainly been nudging events over a long period of time.
They also say: Will you be able to stop him? We hope so. Does that mean it will be possible to fail? Or will he have partial success in a localised area, or more than one, that we will have to deal with?
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Post by colfoley on Jan 2, 2024 12:11:23 GMT
I've been looking at the Bioware site and the page associated with the trailer on DA Day. I noticed a couple of things I don't think have been mentioned before. First, an interview with Corinne B with the following: [Corinne] Thank you, Mark! I fondly remember playing each entry in the Dragon Age franchise, being completely immersed and enamored in the world you all had built. It amazes me to be here now, working alongside you and the team, to bring new stories and characters (not to mention a few returning characters) to all of the fans of the franchise. Dragon Age: Dreadwolf is the product of hard work and love. We know how much this world means to all of you, how these experiences stay with you. We want to get it right, so we’ve taken our time.
So confirmation that there will be more than just Varric returning. Harding seems another likely candidate based off the Missing and the epilogue to Trespasser, with Charter also likely based off the various comic series. That would amount to a "few" returning characters but it is possible it could mean more. Dorian is obviously the most likely in Tevinter but I suppose we could encounter familiar faces in other locations. Further down the page in the general blurb about the upcoming game it says: Know this, though: The Dread Wolf has not been idle these past years. His reach is far, and soon his plans will come to fruition—a cataclysmic rejoining of magic and realms hundreds of years in the making.That is curious as it suggests his plan started many centuries in the past, yet he claims he was napping for millennia and only awoke around a year before he joined the Inquisition. However, was that the action of Solas himself or Flemeth/Mythal? She has certainly been nudging events over a long period of time. They also say: Will you be able to stop him? We hope so. Does that mean it will be possible to fail? Or will he have partial success in a localised area, or more than one, that we will have to deal with? There is a couple of different explanations for the time discrepency: 1. She mispoke, more or less, and she is talking about that this plan was in the making since the Veil went up for the first time. And given some of the fan theories I've seen out there there could even be some legitimacy to that. However the issue then sort of becomes it would've been better to say thousands of years but again could just have been a simple mispeak since after hundreds of years...whose counting anyways? 2. Given the theory that Solas awoke before in Thedas's history, namely that he is Shartan, this word choice does become a little more interesting. If he was running around then during the time of Andraste then had to go back intio hiding/ that deep Elven sleep that I can't quite remember the name of, then he would've known the state of the Elves and the rest of Thedas even before awkening before the Conclave. This would've let him start his plan way back then, thus hundreds of years. Though it is interesting to note that his plan in this case might be Plan B and his Plan A was to join with Andraste and have her free the Elves and make the lot better for all Theodosians. But then when that failed he had to go back to sleep for some reason with the idea of just saying screw it and then resolved to tear down the Veil. And this is the thing and I think it is very possible to fail or at the least have a localized Veil breach. Certainly enough things pointing towards it. Like if our theory is right about the voice being Elgar'nan then this is something we have never seen before...at least if a few other theories also end up being right. We've presumably seen Old Gods being corrupted into Arch Demons but the process leaves them animalistic, lacking intelligence. That voice was clearly speaking. Had intelligence. Only way I think this could happen is if Solas does weaken the veil enough for Elgar'nan to reunite with his body. As an aside though I do wonder if Ghili'nain is just going to be more animalstic in her aspect.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 3, 2024 8:57:28 GMT
1. She mispoke, more or less, and she is talking about that this plan was in the making since the Veil went up for the first time. I did say that this part was under the general comment about the game from Bioware, not Corinne's interview. So, this would mean the marketing team have got it wrong and no one on the rest of the team picked up on it. Thus, I think it was deliberate and suggests that the writing team may have been tinkering with the backstory again. 2. Given the theory that Solas awoke before in Thedas's history, namely that he is Shartan, this word choice does become a little more interesting. I've mentioned before how ridiculous the idea is that Solas could have been Shartan unless he died and was resurrected. Alternatively, perhaps he did a body sharing trick with an elf called Shartan, so when Shartan perished, the spirit of Solas/Fen'Harel, or whoever he really is (Rasaan claims Solas is not his true name), returned to his body wherever it was located. There is no doubt that Shartan was a real person (regardless of what the "scholars" suggested in WoT2) and his death is remembered by the Dalish (Dalish origin) and recorded in the Canticle of Apotheosis, although he is referred to there as the Liberator, no doubt a move by the Chantry to conceal his identity but consistent with the oral tradition of the Dalish recorded in the Canticle of Shartan where Andraste makes him her Champion of Freedom (after he saved her at the Battle of Valarian Fields). To be honest, I think that Solas is more likely the Maker who spoke to Andraste than Shartan. Let's face it, he did create the current state of Thedas and was not happy about what the rulers had done with it since then. Also, again according to the Dalish, Andraste's main emphasis was on freeing the slaves from the tyranny of Tevinter, which we know now bears great resemblance to set up in ancient times under the Evanuris, so that would be consistent with Solas, or alternatively Mythal, influencing Andraste. According to the Canticle of Andraste she called out to various gods (likely Alamarri/Avaar) to aid her people to no avail and then basically said "is anyone out there who can help me?", after which the "Maker" responded. It is entirely possible that Solas did speak to an elven slave called Shartan via the Fade and encouraged him to lead a rebellion at the same time. Of course, if there was some element of co-existence or he was Solas himself, then following his "death" he would have needed several centuries to recover and even reform his body. I hope the latter is not the case, though, as I would like to keep at least one genuine elven hero I can admire. None of this would actually contradict their assertion that they would never prove or disprove the Maker since just because the person identifying themselves as the Maker was not in fact the Creator of the ancient world, does not mean it disproves his existence. All it would do is disprove the Chantry's version of the Maker, which wouldn't be that shocking since the writers have been doing that continually both in game and in associated writings. However, I do agree that if Solas was in some way involved with Andraste's rebellion then that could account for why he has ruled out changing the ruling order by conventional means. It is also possible that he was not aware of how badly the Blight had affected the world back then, so thought it possible to improve things without dropping the Veil. The reason he woke when he did before DAI was the discovery of the ancient thaig and the bringing of red lyrium to the surface. This is the only thing that I can think of that would account for him waking when he did. His agents had already been active in the world for many years but something caused him to revive as a matter of urgency and then plan to take action when he was still weak from his slumber. I suppose it could have been because of the activation of the eluvian network but he seemed content to let Briala use it initially and so I think red lyrium was likely the driver. This might well fit with why he locked up the Evanuris in the first place. If he did it to prevent them from bringing red lyrium to the surface then his plan had been thwarted and so he needed to take drastic action to remedy the situation.
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