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Post by colfoley on Jun 10, 2024 11:48:36 GMT
How in the world the Veilguard an edgy name???
Veil is a thing and it is clear their objective is to protect the Veil against Solas and other threats. It's a simple to the point name.
Glad this new lot weren't in charge of Origins. The Warden wouldn't have been able to leave the wilds until they'd held a focus group to decide a name and PR campaign for the party. To be fair the Warden and co almost didn't leave the Wilds or almost very easily went up to the Anderfels instead because of Alistair's bickering.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 10, 2024 11:49:08 GMT
"A creative and romantic veil jumper obsessed with uncovering ancient secrets" Ahh so Peebee then Given the setting, I’d say Merrill was the first comparison that came to mind.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 10, 2024 11:50:53 GMT
"A creative and romantic veil jumper obsessed with uncovering ancient secrets" Ahh so Peebee then is Peebee a romantic?
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 10, 2024 11:58:03 GMT
Varric didn't meet Lucanis in the missing, the crows he met were Teia and Viago. Oups, I was working of half-memory there and I thought Viago was Lucanis.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 10, 2024 11:59:14 GMT
"A creative and romantic veil jumper obsessed with uncovering ancient secrets" Ahh so Peebee then Given the setting, I’d say Merrill was the first comparison that came to mind. Merrill but less insistence on blood magic?
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 10, 2024 12:00:53 GMT
How in the world the Veilguard an edgy name???
Veil is a thing and it is clear their objective is to protect the Veil against Solas and other threats. It's a simple to the point name.
Glad this new lot weren't in charge of Origins. The Warden wouldn't have been able to leave the wilds until they'd held a focus group to decide a name and PR campaign for the party. Grey Wardens.
Because, ehehe, they are morally grey, eheHEHAHA!
See, it cuts both ways.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 10, 2024 12:04:27 GMT
Given the setting, I’d say Merrill was the first comparison that came to mind. Merrill but less insistence on blood magic? It’s quite likely. I doubt she’d be a carbon copy of Merrill in any case, I just thought of her given the obsession part.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 10, 2024 12:06:52 GMT
Jackdaw has thoughts and he seems happy. Him slowing down a lot of the stuff really helped get more of an appreciation for things. Plus some of the conclusions he draws...it would be surprising if he is right...so honestly may not want to watch it but a lot of very interesting thoughts going on. Very interesting.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 10, 2024 12:13:02 GMT
In the Missing, Varrick does meet Neve and Lucanis. As well BioWare posted a screenshot of starting area, where we see Neve as your companion along with Harding.
Lucanis may be an option from the start too, or at least recruited in this mission.
So probably not seeking help of Solas, just Varric considering Neve( a detective that knows Minrathous) and Lucanis( is in the area) for aid.
I think you missed my insinuation. They aren't trying to get the help of the group attacking them just acknolowding that they are going to need help stopping Solas when fighting the group. Which suggests they could be related. Good thought about the starting area though. I was wondering for the longest time if we were going to start IN Minrathous then work our way out to the other areas or start ih the other areas and work our way into Tevinter. Mind you I am hoping in this case that the game comes full circle because I really would die if the final epic battle of the game took place in Minrathous, the Arlathan forest, or both. Sounds like they might be as I think the scsreenshots rer from early in the game. My gu tfeeling suggests the fina lmissoin could wel lb esomewhere near o rperhaps even in Skyhold ou rold Inquisitoin headquarters especiall ygiven as Solas said himself was his old home and likely where he put the veil up in th efirs tplace. Quite often i nstories like this the place you put it up is moer often than not the place whereyou hav et og oto take it down. I'mno tasying that is goin gt obe the case here but that's what I suspect
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 10, 2024 12:13:41 GMT
Glad this new lot weren't in charge of Origins. The Warden wouldn't have been able to leave the wilds until they'd held a focus group to decide a name and PR campaign for the party. I don’t see the big issue with this group having a name, or being part of an organization, which will likely be created in a different way then what the trailer suggested. It’s also a different situation from Origins, since the one that we’re tasked with actually stopping the Blight were only the protagonist and Alistar, who are part of an organization with a name. The party in this game will be all tasked with the game goal in mind. I do get *why* naming the group could bother some people, although I’d say that the inspiration could be closer to the genre Dragon Age was originally inspired to. I'd infinitely prefer the couple of characters linked to an established group (inquisition) and picking up a band of recruits along the way over pulling this new organisation out of thin air. Even in Mass Effect 2 where you are similarly recruiting the dirty dozen it isn't a case of forming a superhero gang called the collectorettes. It's not a deal breaker (it may just be a silly sop to the marketing department) but not a particularly positive sign imo.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 10, 2024 12:19:10 GMT
I don’t see the big issue with this group having a name, or being part of an organization, which will likely be created in a different way then what the trailer suggested. It’s also a different situation from Origins, since the one that we’re tasked with actually stopping the Blight were only the protagonist and Alistar, who are part of an organization with a name. The party in this game will be all tasked with the game goal in mind. I do get *why* naming the group could bother some people, although I’d say that the inspiration could be closer to the genre Dragon Age was originally inspired to. I'd infinitely prefer the couple of characters linked to an established group (inquisition) and picking up a band of recruits along the way over pulling this new organisation out of thin air. Even in Mass Effect 2 where you are similarly recruiting the dirty dozen it isn't a case of forming a superhero gang called the collectorettes. It's not a deal breaker (it may just be a silly sop to the marketing department) but not a particularly positive sign imo. I don't think the way the group will be formed would necessarily match the trailer, especially in regards of the protagonist. I'd say that personally they were inspired more about D&D (the last movie especially), then a superhero team. Giving a name to the party is very common in the former.
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Post by danaxe on Jun 10, 2024 12:21:00 GMT
The new title is too on the nose for my taste. I mean, as the Inquisition weren't we supposed to close the breach and deal with all things related to it? The breach was a hole in the veil. Now we will be the Veilguard, which guards the Veil? I dont mind the fact that the organization is called Veilguard but seems too close to Inquisition even if completely different in tone. I think a more subtle title would have been better. Create some mistery with it.
After 10 years this is what they come up with? With all 3 iterations of the game (heist to multiplayer to singleplayer) it wouldnt surprise me if we get an Andromeda situation where the final product ended up being developed in 18 months. And it seems clear there was no "guiding vision" to the project since leadership changed so much in the past few years.
I think what we will get is not really a Dragon Age main series game (Inquisition might have been the last one). With the oldguard mostly gone, what we have is a bunch of new developers just doing whatever they want with the lore wiki at their disposal.
Opinions on the trailer aside, it was a gigantic misstep. Whoever OK'd it is probably feeling really bad right now. It is to be expected to see Bioware haters jump on it, but as it stands, its not that they divided the fandom, they pretty much made a ratio of Diehard Bioware fans vs Everybody Else (haters and casuals alike, and even some old Dragon Age fans), and thats not good at all, the diehard fans are few and getting fewer.
Bioware couldnt afford to mess the first trailer this bad (previous videos werent trailers, they were teasers). I hope gameplay trailer redeems it, but might be too late. The first impression for casual gamers at large has already been made.
And please dont go trying to defend the trailer to me, it doesnt matter really. If you like it, awesome! But objectively looking at its reception, its bad for Dragon Age, period!
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Post by bierkrug on Jun 10, 2024 12:38:19 GMT
The trailers from ages ago? Since which a lot of crap might have been changed, including the title?
Solas will still be the center of the game don't know why they changed the title but I think it has something to do with Solas' plan with the veil. Well, it's not like Bio has good track record with pulling through story threads with adequate gravity from former games. *coughs in Mage-Templar conflict*
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 10, 2024 12:48:29 GMT
Good thought about the starting area though. I was wondering for the longest time if we were going to start IN Minrathous then work our way out to the other areas or start ih the other areas and work our way into Tevinter. Mind you I am hoping in this case that the game comes full circle because I really would die if the final epic battle of the game took place in Minrathous, the Arlathan forest, or both. It is possible that Minrathous will be our main hub from which we travel to other areas and then as you say come full Circle. If you look at the trailer again, you can see the scenery behind Taash would appear to be that coast in Rivain, which would make sense as she is from the Lords of Fortune, and also there was mention of increased activity by dragons there, which would attract her attention. Likely it will be looking into the cause of this that drives the narrative there. Lucanis is likely to be recruited in Tevinter and so if Minrathous is the only city we visit there, that is where we will find him. I think he may be in contact with Neve because of her connection with the Shadow Dragons. Whilst they weren't specifically named in Tevinter Nights, I think they were the group he had his contracts with to kill the Venatori in his short story. Someone powerful and rich was sponsoring his contracts but wanted to remain anonymous. (I was guessing at the time that might be Dorian but equally it could be Maevaris). However, the people who were assisting his efforts on the ground seemed to be more of an underground network like the Shadow Dragons. Thus if that screenshot is of an early part of the game likely Neve and Lucanis are going to be some of our earliest recruits and then we travel to the other areas. Could be interesting if we travel to Antiva with Lucanis since they think he is dead. However, in the story when Illario says about what will he do when people know his face in Tevinter, he jokes "grow a beard" and what does Lucanis have in the trailer but a beard, so I guess that perhaps he may have altered his appearance sufficiently that people in Antiva won't necessarily recognise him on sight. Perhaps he will be the reason we travel to Antiva though, either because he knows there is some magical artifact held by the Crows or he just feels guilty about abandoning his homeland just before the Qunari invasion. As for the other recruits, presumably we'll find Bellara in Arlathan Forest, Darvin in the Anderfels and possibly make a brief trip to the Necropolis in Nevarra to team up with Emmerich, unless he also has taken a trip to Minrathous. Harding, of course, is likely to be with us from the beginning.
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Post by bierkrug on Jun 10, 2024 12:51:57 GMT
How in the world the Veilguard an edgy name??? Veil is a thing and it is clear their objective is to protect the Veil against Solas and other threats. It's a simple to the point name.
I wouldn't call it edgy, I do think it has less of a punch than Dreadwolf. THough on some other forum someone mentioned Veilguard sounds like a feminine hygiene product and now I can't unsee it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 10, 2024 13:03:01 GMT
I wouldn't call it edgy, I do think it has less of a punch than Dreadwolf. It does depend on what you want to be the focus of attention. Previous games have tended to place it on the PC and their group. Origins related to the fact there were numerous origin stories and it was an introduction to Thedas. DA2 was to have been called Exodus which related to Hawkes' journey. Inquisition was definitely about the organisation we developed and thus the companions that formed part of it. So The Veilguard is part of the same theme. A focus being on our antagonist is more linked with Expansions and DLC: Awakening (awakened darkspawn); Legacy (what daddy Hawke did to bind Corypheus); Mark of the Assassin (Tallis - yet another companion who did the dirty on us); Jaws of Hakkon (our adversaries); the Descent (speaks for itself but discovered something in the depths) and Trespasser (which could be talking about any of us in the Crossroads but ultimately revealed that Solas was a trespasser in the Inquisition)
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 10, 2024 13:05:00 GMT
How in the world the Veilguard an edgy name??? Veil is a thing and it is clear their objective is to protect the Veil against Solas and other threats. It's a simple to the point name.
I wouldn't call it edgy, I do think it has less of a punch than Dreadwolf. THough on some other forum someone mentioned Veilguard sounds like a feminine hygiene product and now I can't unsee it. I'm really curious who pushed for the name change as it seems a very strange decision. I would have thought Dreadwolf would be more evocative to the wider gamer market too. It's not as if Witcher 3: the Wild hunt suffered because it was named after the antagonists.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 10, 2024 13:07:15 GMT
I wouldn't call it edgy, I do think it has less of a punch than Dreadwolf. THough on some other forum someone mentioned Veilguard sounds like a feminine hygiene product and now I can't unsee it. I'm really curious who pushed for the name change as it seems a very strange decision. I would have thought Dreadwolf would be more evocative to the wider gamer market too. It's not as if Witcher 3: the Wild hunt suffered because it was named after the antagonists. Based on what they stated, it's due to the fact they wanted to bring the focus on the companions. There is some speculation that the original idea as a live service game didn't have full-fledged companions (I do think the game was going to be quite multiplayer-heavy, but it's simply my assumption and I could be wrong), and that working on them during the years made them think of switching the name. According to Gamble, the DA team had in mind the change for a while.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 10, 2024 13:37:06 GMT
"A creative and romantic veil jumper obsessed with uncovering ancient secrets" Ahh so Peebee then is Peebee a romantic? Peebee is not a romantic, that's Vetra in MEA cast.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 10, 2024 13:41:47 GMT
Peebee is not a romantic, that's Vetra in MEA cast.
cool, she didn't seem romantic to me but I've never done her romance so i thought maybe it was hidden there.
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Post by sentinel87 on Jun 10, 2024 14:01:39 GMT
This trailer has left me feeling a little more neutral to DAV.
I didn't outright dislike the trailer, but I certainly didn't like it.
I will acknowledge that DA trailers have been poor in the past though. They've never felt aimed at me, but that does make sense to go after people who aren't the Bioware fanbase.
It just leads some more credibility for me towards the leak that the dialogue seemed to lean a bit more towards the Marvel side. Not a fan of that at all. Still, we'll have to see with the gameplay release. I am looking forward to that. I just hope it's not too spoilery since it's supposed to be from the game opening.
DAI's art style was good and they should have settled into one by now. This looks close, but with a cartoonish edge to it. It reminds me of hero shooters or maybe Dishonored. It worked in Dishonored. But that style was always present in the series.
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Post by githcheater on Jun 10, 2024 14:40:14 GMT
Sometimes marketing is gonna do a poop. Sadly, Dragon Age is no stranger to this and the devs don't seem to have that much power to decide versus what marketing says based on whatever graphs they cooked up with focus groups. Very true. I can just imagine some fresh marketing yo-yo with a Powerpoint presentation tell everyone what their trailer should be like. I still have hope for the gameplay trailer but this one didn't do them many favours. I can picture a cult of mustache curling EA executives conspiring to hijack the marketing team to kill off Bioware once and for all: "Lets make the art style super cartoony, and have Varric and Harding engage in snarky over the top banter to distract from the serious nature of the game."
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 10, 2024 14:55:18 GMT
How likely is the rumor that they just used a hero shooter trailer they had lying around from the live service game period to save money? It sounds so stupid that it could be true to me. Would definitely explain why the vibe is completely different from the actual game supposedly. I could totally see EA thinking this trailer was good enough and might even fool kids into buying the game thinking it was still a hero shooter type MP game. A sale is a sale, they don't have to actually play the game.
If the characters remained the same and they just added an actual story to the visuals, I could see that being possible.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 10, 2024 15:00:03 GMT
He said what i think.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jun 10, 2024 15:20:10 GMT
Very true. I can just imagine some fresh marketing yo-yo with a Powerpoint presentation tell everyone what their trailer should be like. I still have hope for the gameplay trailer but this one didn't do them many favours. I can picture a cult of mustache curling EA executives conspiring to hijack the marketing team to kill off Bioware once and for all: "Lets make the art style super cartoony, and have Varric and Harding engage in snarky over the top banter to distract from the serious nature of the game." I'm not imagining anything malicious, just a hint of idiocy and disconnect from reality. If Gaider has said multiple times that EA just hasn't been able to fathom Dragon Age's success with sales figures brining their eyeballs, clearly there's gotta be some trouble in the old neural pathways. Or so much stubbornness that they think reality should bend to their ideas.
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