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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 13, 2024 0:10:49 GMT
This is why. You said it yourself, so you understand. Lucanis is possessed by Spite. He will exhibit some of its features, much like Anders and vengeance Spite is actually the spirit of Determinaton (it's called that in game). Unlike Anders, Lucanis and Spite find a way to peacefully coexsit and Spite is not bent out of shape anymore to be just a negative aspect of itself, even if most everyone still calls it Spite - in that way, Lucanis is more like Wynne or Cassandra (who coexists peacefully - if not fully consciously - with spirit of Faith that gives her unique powers with no need of chugging lyrium), and not like Anders, who's never found a way to peacefully coexist with Justice. Is it peaceful though? Spite comes out forcefully at times and hurt Lucanis. I think Wynne and Cassandra were far more, idk, benevolent. Either way it's a good justification as any for why Lucanis acts relatively "spiteful" throughout the game. At least that's the vibe I got. Didn't necessarily consider the romance effect but it tracks too.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Nov 13, 2024 0:59:43 GMT
Tried saving Treviso just to see what it was like - there's *no* way either decision doesn't feel horrible. As a SD, both Neve and Tarquin eat you alive, too. Jesus Christ...
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 13, 2024 1:46:01 GMT
Tried saving Treviso just to see what it was like - there's *no* way either decision doesn't feel horrible. As a SD, both Neve and Tarquin eat you alive, too. Jesus Christ... Yea, I've saved Treviso with my Shadow Dragon, because it made more sense, theoretically at least - Treviso is a merchant city with no defenses or army to speak of, while Minrathous is much better fortified, has an army of powerful mages and a floating castle that shoots at flying stuff... then you go back to Dock Town and realize that half of the damage is the floating castle shooting blindly at flying stuff
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 13, 2024 9:18:46 GMT
Spite is actually the spirit of Determinaton (it's called that in game). Unlike Anders, Lucanis and Spite find a way to peacefully coexsit and Spite is not bent out of shape anymore to be just a negative aspect of itself, even if most everyone still calls it Spite - in that way, Lucanis is more like Wynne or Cassandra (who coexists peacefully - if not fully consciously - with spirit of Faith that gives her unique powers with no need of chugging lyrium), and not like Anders, who's never found a way to peacefully coexist with Justice. To be honest I thought that Anders and Justice were completely in union at the end. It can be implied (according to which dialogue you choose and whether you are friend/rival) that Justice was the dominant partner but actually the opposite seemed true, as Anders admitted earlier in the game, it was his emotion that altered Justice not the other way around. Having achieved his aim, Anders just tamely sat down and awaited his fate. He would have done nothing if Hawke hadn't let him live. If anything tamely awaiting his execution was Justice because the spirit felt it was justice that he should pay for his actions with his death. What puzzles me about Lucanis and his possession is how he resisted the demon when it became unhappy with the situation it was in. Spite says that Lucanis broke their deal. Never quite sure what that deal was other than escape from the Ossuary. However, if Spite could control Lucanis when is was asleep, why not when he was awake? There is a point in his personal quest then that does appear to happen but Lucanis manages to take back control. How? When is it said that it is really a spirit of determination? And, as I keep asking, why the wings? Spirits and demons in Dragon Age are not angels. They do not have wings. Why does Spite/Determination? Did Lucanis simply think it would be cool to have wings so Spite said okay?
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Nov 13, 2024 9:30:07 GMT
The Spite thing, yeah, I don't think that's it. Because then he wouldn't wanna bone Neve, either. And Lucanis has kept most of Spite's "demands" in check, against worse than boning. I just watched the two fully "admit their feelings for each other". Lovely...
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Nov 13, 2024 9:46:56 GMT
If only the stupid game let me know that Lucanis was off the menu... I probably would have lezzed out with Neve, which also precludes the two of them from boning. Two birds with one stone, as they say. See, that'd be spiteful. xD Oh, and Neve:
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 13, 2024 10:03:41 GMT
If only the stupid game let me know that Lucanis was off the menu... I probably would have lezzed out with Neve, which also precludes the two of them from boning. Two birds with one stone, as they say. See, that'd be spiteful. xD Oh, and Neve: I was gonna queen out with Neve til I met Davrin.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 13, 2024 12:37:30 GMT
The Spite thing, yeah, I don't think that's it. Because then he wouldn't wanna bone Neve, either. And Lucanis has kept most of Spite's "demands" in check, against worse than boning. I just watched the two fully "admit their feelings for each other". Lovely... That seems so spiteful on the part of the writers. Rook is forced to make a choice, Lucanis punishes them for it by refusing to continue their romance and then takes up with Neve! If he can forgive her for pitching for her team better than Lucanis, why can't he forgive Rook?
Also, something that occurred to me today, when he is saying how they should save Treviso he emphasises how it is just a load of defenseless merchants and my people. They aren't his people. His people are a bunch of (useless) assassins who are meant to protect those innocent merchants. Meanwhile, Neve asks Rook to aid the Shadow Dragons because they are fighting the racist blood mages he hated from taking over Tevinter and fighting the dragon will weaken them so that the Venatori succeed. That used to be his fight too, plus the Venatori were behind his imprisonment and attacks on the Crows generally. Why would he resent helping the Shadow Dragons so they are strong in their fight against the Venatori? It helps his people too. The logic behind his rejection of Rook just does not make sense to me.
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Post by TabithaTH on Nov 13, 2024 17:33:35 GMT
Tbh, Neve really got on my nerves with her blame game for choosing Treviso. What made it worse is how she was all ‘It wasn’t your fault’ towards Lucanis. I’m dreading having to go through all this again, but with Lucanis. Especially now when I read all this.
And personally I feel they should prioritise content the player can directly engage in. An npc romance getting more attention than the player version is not good imho. I'd rather they just weren't romanceable at all then.
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Post by Mresa on Nov 13, 2024 17:47:16 GMT
I dont have the game yet and reading all the stuff I have yet seems like I just wont be romancing anyone at all. Just doesn't really feel fun if the LI you're into isn't that into you. And when they are its still not rewarding enough.
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Post by TabithaTH on Nov 13, 2024 18:30:00 GMT
Don’t let this deter you. Lucanis’ romance is sweet enough to warrant a try out .
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 14, 2024 9:12:29 GMT
Don’t let this deter you. Lucanis’ romance is sweet enough to warrant a try out . Heck, I romanced Reyes in Andromeda...who doesn't have much content either aside from the Kadara arc, I don't even mind that Lucanis' romance is a slow burn
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Post by TabithaTH on Nov 14, 2024 13:27:51 GMT
Don’t let this deter you. Lucanis’ romance is sweet enough to warrant a try out . Heck, I romanced Reyes in Andromeda...who doesn't have much content either aside from the Kadara arc, I don't even mind that Lucanis' romance is a slow burn Oh I did too. Tbh I never really got into the character, it was obvious Ryder was young and inexperienced. It made sense to play her to be reckless and for her to fall for the bad boy who’s obviously a bad influence in the long run. I like the Lucanis romance, it’s just not right for my Rook. I just wanted to try it out. I am, however, sad you can’t romance him under specific circumstances, I’d have liked a sort of hate each other to lovers arc.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 14, 2024 17:43:53 GMT
Heck, I romanced Reyes in Andromeda...who doesn't have much content either aside from the Kadara arc, I don't even mind that Lucanis' romance is a slow burn Oh I did too. Tbh I never really got into the character, it was obvious Ryder was young and inexperienced. It made sense to play her to be reckless and for her to fall for the bad boy who’s obviously a bad influence in the long run. I like the Lucanis romance, it’s just not right for my Rook. I just wanted to try it out. I am, however, sad you can’t romance him under specific circumstances, I’d have liked a sort of hate each other to lovers arc. On one hand yes, on the other I get why he's unromanceable under certain circumstances, given that his way to cope with complicated feelings and situations is to shut away from them so tightly that not even a powerful demon like Spite can reach him in his mind (and that's in a universe he's not hardened)
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Post by TabithaTH on Nov 14, 2024 18:02:54 GMT
Why do people keep putting words in my mouth today.
Never said I didn't get it. I was just lamenting (and not even that aggressively) the fact that an idea I had for a story arc could was not viable.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 14, 2024 18:18:49 GMT
Why do people keep putting words in my mouth today. Never said I didn't get it. I was just lamenting (and not even that aggressively) the fact that an idea I had for a story arc could was not viable. ...Am I really putting words in any mouth? I'm only expressing that I get why it isn't a thing.
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Post by TabithaTH on Nov 14, 2024 18:44:17 GMT
Why do people keep putting words in my mouth today. Never said I didn't get it. I was just lamenting (and not even that aggressively) the fact that an idea I had for a story arc could was not viable. ...Am I really putting words in any mouth? I'm only expressing that I get why it isn't a thing. Sorry. Was literally just done typing something for someone else and was still in defense mode. To me ‘On one hand yes…’ is used as a direct response to something. In this case a response to the idea that him being disinterested wasn’t understandable, which I never indicated, thus a response assuming what my opinion was on the subject.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 14, 2024 19:25:38 GMT
...Am I really putting words in any mouth? I'm only expressing that I get why it isn't a thing. Sorry. Was literally just done typing something for someone else and was still in defense mode. To me ‘On one hand yes…’ is used as a direct response to something. In this case a response to the idea that him being disinterested wasn’t understandable, which I never indicated, thus a response assuming what my opinion was on the subject. The 'on one hand yes' was simply meant as an affirmation that yours would be a neat idea, I just get why it isn't in the game
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Nov 15, 2024 12:37:24 GMT
I'm getting very over Lucanis's bullsh*t. Now I gotta hear companions ask him about "coffee" with Neve. This guy clearly holds Rook to a whole different standard. Neve, of all people? Further along, he's even willing to forgive Illario, what kind of b*tchass Spite demon do you have inside of you, dude. Or he's just not that into Rook, and who am I to stand in the way of true love, right? Just... next playthrough (this one was kinda rushed to be fair, can't even be mad) let me know so I can pursue other... bone venues.
What bothers me more is the fact that Neve can be romanced, even if you save Treviso. Another double standard, and I don't love those. Smells of sexist BW BS (because, you know most straight dudes will wanna romance her, and caaaan't upset them, they're so fragile). Is there a point in saving Minrathous, some people are saying it goes to sh*t either way... I'm not there yet. Eh, whatever. Who cares. I'd save it again, anyways.
Also: Ms. Neve and Tarquin eat your @sshole and not even like, in the fun way some people are into. They're *really* harsh on a Mercar Rook (wondering if the Crows and Lucanis are the same to a Crow Rook). Tarquin is all like, you've been nothing but trouble since you came back to this city. B*tch, I'm the best thing that's happened to this city AND to the SDs! Their blame is misplaced. What exactly did you expect to go differently if Rook was there? They're just a mage, like you guys WHO ARE F*CKING INCOMPETENT AF. I get it done, no matter the city I choose. What's you guys' excuse? Dumbasses. I can't believe I wanted to bone Tarquin. Now? Not if his d1ck staff spat diamonds from the tip. (The Viper, I like. He's a cool dude.) Same with the Crows and Treviso. The mighty "Demon of Vyrantium" and his deadly Crows couldn't do sh*t by themselves. It's aaall on Rook. Sure!
Kinda wish I didn't see this side of Neve. What a ***t satchel. I used to like, really like her. Top 3 companion, ever since Tevinter Nights. She and Tarquin and Lucanis can F right off.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Nov 15, 2024 12:42:08 GMT
Wow. That felt good.
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Post by Liepsnele on Nov 15, 2024 14:07:43 GMT
We could have had it all. All the romances were okay-ish but very short. Seeing what could have beens for Veilguard makes me so emotional. I hope devs will spill the beans in what happened during the development just like they did for DA2. The original sketches and concept art for this game are so great but it feels like a game was skipped just to finally finish this story that has been set up since origins.
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Post by merane on Nov 15, 2024 14:09:26 GMT
I would have loved to have a first kiss in the rain with all sexual tension and restreint of Lucanis shattered, after kind a sort argument. The gondola ride would have been great too - wasted opportunity. I finished hid romance, both sex scene and him declaration of love are great, well written, in character and emotional. I loved. But the rest is a sideral void. The cake scene for soft lock is the same for Neve. Yep ... So between the cafe scene of act 1 and end of romance : - we have several unacknowledged flirts, - one half scene romance shared (cake is not just for you or Neve), - only one personnal scene romance (interrupt kiss, great scene, sexual tension at his peak), - one quest scene again at the cafe (both friend and lover), for 35 - 40 hours of gameplay. I know ours Lucanis is very introvert, independent, that he hides / represses his feelings and it is not the right time but I will have more flirts / scenes where we really feel an unfulfilled tension, a languished desire for us and a real soft lock scene just for us. I even feel like I spent more time with Davrin in the forest building ours friendship than my romantic relationship - and relationship in general - with Lucanis. I can say that I have a real connection with Davrin since the beginning while with Lucanis, I feel like I'm just starting at the end acte 2 / act 3 and not really sharing anything before. And the cherry on the cake that he has such great relationships with the rest of group. I love the banters. I used him especially with Davrin, Harding and Neve - she has a better relationship with Lucanis... Tash and him are hilarious too. Slow burn may be frustrating but it's also a great feeling. You can feel all the tension, repressed emotions and impossibility before it explodes. It's a delicious torture with a great reward. But here it's like a tasteless limp soufflé and if the end is very great, very emotional you feel like you missed the whole movie.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Nov 15, 2024 14:21:35 GMT
We could have had it all. All the romances were okay-ish but very short. Seeing what could have beens for Veilguard makes me so emotional. I hope devs will spill the beans in what happened during the development just like they did for DA2. The original sketches and concept art for this game are so great but it feels like a game was skipped just to finally finish this story that has been set up since origins. 😱 We could have boned in the water and the gondola... see, that'd have been worth saving his town for (screw Neve and the Dragons!), and also because blighted waters = sure way to get a UTI and who needs that aggravation.
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Post by fraggle on Nov 16, 2024 0:05:37 GMT
What puzzles me about Lucanis and his possession is how he resisted the demon when it became unhappy with the situation it was in. Spite says that Lucanis broke their deal. Never quite sure what that deal was other than escape from the Ossuary. However, if Spite could control Lucanis when is was asleep, why not when he was awake? There is a point in his personal quest then that does appear to happen but Lucanis manages to take back control. How? When is it said that it is really a spirit of determination? And, as I keep asking, why the wings? Spirits and demons in Dragon Age are not angels. They do not have wings. Why does Spite/Determination? Did Lucanis simply think it would be cool to have wings so Spite said okay? The deal was to escape from the Ossuary. But in the quest Inner Demons where Rook looks for Lucanis in the Fade/his mind, it seems Lucanis was so struggling with having been tortured for a year, that his mind looks still like the Ossuary to Spite, hence Spite technically never got out of the prison because Lucanis keeps that place and awful experience with him. Only when Rook reaches Lucanis he can accept to deal with his problems and heal.
I think, whenever Spite sleepwalks, he is 'on the run' to get out of the prison. At least that is what I got from the scenes. A possible explanation for why Spite takes over when Lucanis is sleeping is simply that Lucanis's body relaxes more and he can't restrain Spite like that.
Spite being a Spirit of Determination is indeed being said somewhere, I had it too. But for the life of me can't remember now when. I still have to look at more of my screenshots, so eventually it will pop up I hope.
I wouldn't read too much into the wings. Probably the devs trying to show Spite in combat as a visual clue? Or the nice little touch in the romance scene in Rook's room. That made me melt
Anyway, overall one of my most favourite BioWare romances already, but I'm a sucker for slow burns. It kinda seems Lucanis's relationship is an extremely emotional connection instead of physical longing (well that, too, but I hope you guys know what I mean ). When Rook suggests to do uh, more of what they just did with the night they have, Lucanis says something along the lines that he's content as he is, simply taking in Rook's presence and enjoying the moment of just lying there with them.
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