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Post by melbella on Nov 16, 2024 0:20:51 GMT
I wouldn't read too much into the wings. Probably the devs trying to show Spite in combat as a visual clue? Or the nice little touch in the romance scene in Rook's room. That made me melt He's a Crow, so of course he has wings!
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Nov 16, 2024 6:16:29 GMT
For a game that’s so like, let’s pinky-swear and watch Disney and braid each other’s hair and create a safe space to talk about our feelings and stuff - they’re not really big on forgiveness, are they? Lucanis and Neve, they stay mad until the end. Talk about holding a grudge, and for something that was not even Rook’s fault. Get out of my Lighthouse, then, f*ckers.
Whatever. Anyways. I was trying to avoid spoilers until I finished my first playthrough (cuz this one doesn’t count, I’m just testing stuff out, the CC, the armors… skipped through dialogues, didn’t read one piece of codex… nothing), but… spoilers found me. And now I’m kinda pissed. Was I so blinded by the good combat and gameplay that I volunteered to chop off my very nipples for nothing? Is it really worth self-mutilation? Is this GotY? … Unclear. I gotta experience it for myself and we’ll see how it goes.
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Post by fraggle on Nov 16, 2024 8:12:36 GMT
Hm, didn't have the impression Neve stayed mad until the end for me, it actually felt like I had resolved everything with her. She has a couple sidequests in Minrathous still and during these we bonded again. Even got her Bond up to 8 again I believe.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 16, 2024 8:17:57 GMT
Spite being a Spirit of Determination is indeed being said somewhere, I had it too. But for the life of me can't remember now when. I still have to look at more of my screenshots, so eventually it will pop up I hope. I don't know if it is said anywhere else but I've seen a conversation between Lucanis and Solas where the latter identifies it as a spirit of determination. I actually think this is one of the better bits of dialogue in the game. Solas says, correctly, that they were forced together against their will and it violated their personal freedom. So far so good, it is what you would expect him to say. Then he says that they could be separated again and seems to be hinting he could do it. Lucanis isn't eager to take him up on the offer, saying that he and Spite have come to an understanding. However, it is Spite's response that is interesting because he calls Solas a liar. Clearly, Spite could see through him and knew what ever he was suggesting was likely not in their best interests. I liked that because it was more in keeping with what I would expect from the setting. Extra bit of irony, Solas had two best friends among the spirits of the Fade, the one we tried to save in DAI, who was a spirit of wisdom, and the other who was a spirit of purpose or determination. I would also note that from what I've seen of the personal quest, Spite did see through Illario and wanted to kill him after the confrontation with Zara but it is Lucanis who is in denial and prevents that from happening. So the conflict between them that is impacting on Lucanis' ability to hit his mark is not the fault of Spite, who seems to be doing his level best to keep him focused on being a trained assassin. I think that is what Spite believed he was agreeing to. Eventually, after Rook exorcises Lucanis' personal mental demons, as you say they are then working together harmoniously.
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Post by phoray on Nov 16, 2024 14:43:07 GMT
Eventually I got a few minutes of Lucanis being vulnerable, reminded me a bit of what kept me attached to Fenris and Zevran. But less than 5 minutes of romance content at the absolutely worst time... as a player I was experiencing grief and stress about the reveal. I imagine my Rook to be having a really emotional bad feeling overall as well.... And that 5 minutes was in an 82 hour game. No repeatable kissing scene, can't even click on him to make him talk. Exactly one banter line with Neve about how he looks good with a smile. Cameo "hearing about a relationship" where Rook and Lucanis have not even hugged yet?
What was that, honestly? Dragon Age has always been falling in love while saving the world for me. For years, that's how I sold it. And then Dragon Age forgot the falling in love part?
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Post by fraggle on Nov 16, 2024 14:47:36 GMT
I also found "Spirit of Determination" mentioned during the 10 fights in the Hall of Valor. It almost sounds as if Spite has signed himself up for the fight with Lucanis being his "sidekick". Dunno, made me chuckle a bit, sounds so pompous. Spite seems to enjoy fighting a lot! Pic behind the spoiler.
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Post by fraggle on Nov 16, 2024 14:55:18 GMT
Eventually I got a few minutes of Lucanis being vulnerable, reminded me a bit of what kept me attached to Fenris and Zevran. But less than 5 minutes of romance content at the absolutely worst time... as a player I was experiencing grief and stress about the reveal. I imagine my Rook to be having a really emotional bad feeling overall as well.... And that 5 minutes was in an 82 hour game. No repeatable kissing scene, can't even click on him to make him talk. Exactly one banter line with Neve about how he looks good with a smile. Cameo "hearing about a relationship" where Rook and Lucanis have not even hugged yet? What was that, honestly? Dragon Age has always been falling in love while saving the world for me. For years, that's how I sold it. And then Dragon Age forgot the falling in love part? I kinda know what you mean, because for a long time I waited for something, anything to happen besides teasing and pining and then Act 3 began and I was like. NO SCENE?! But then eventually I understood. Lucanis having to work real hard to let Rook in his life. He didn't want to allow himself to fall in love with Rook, but at the same time wanted them. Highly conflicted, unsure about romance and feelings, but eventually saying F*** it, I want to be with them.
He has dialogue with Emmrich where he says that Rook is his only romance so far. So he's inexperienced too. He once tried to "flirt" with a Crow which didn't work out. He has a good good heart, and such a soft, gentle side. Rook's and Lucanis's connection is so emotional to me.
I like his romance a lot, and yes, I too am a Zevran and Fenris romancer Love them all!
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Post by phoray on Nov 16, 2024 15:21:34 GMT
Lucanis is a virgin who has possibly never even kissed anyone. You just blew my mind.
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Post by fraggle on Nov 16, 2024 15:38:19 GMT
Lucanis is a virgin who has possibly never even kissed anyone. You just blew my mind. Well not sure if he actually is virgin. Maybe he had to seduce someone for a job. Don't think we can find that out? So maybe he is not a virgin anymore, but definitely never was in a serious relationship.
He always says Illario is a better flirt, so it seems he feels very awkward about flirting himself. But then he has some of the finest lines I ever saw in a BW game, and I think to myself... can't flirt, huh?? You're a natural! (But only because Rook poked him enough )
It's such fun finding all the stuff and talking with you folks about it
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Post by fraggle on Nov 16, 2024 16:47:18 GMT
Spamming in here. About the wing showing thing, going through my banter videos and already rolling my eyes about forgetting such stuff (but it's a lot of dialogue, so there's that...).
Lucanis is not the one doing it. Banter with Harding: Harding: The wing thing, do you do that on purpose? Lucanis: I don't. Why? Harding: So you just look naturally amazing when Spite helps? Some people get possessed and become mounds of pulsating flesh. You get wings. Lucanis: Lucky me. My demon has a sense of style.
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Post by melbella on Nov 16, 2024 17:21:15 GMT
Spamming in here. About the wing showing thing, going through my banter videos and already rolling my eyes about forgetting such stuff (but it's a lot of dialogue, so there's that...). Lucanis is not the one doing it. Banter with Harding: Harding: The wing thing, do you do that on purpose? Lucanis: I don't. Why? Harding: So you just look naturally amazing when Spite helps? Some people get possessed and become mounds of pulsating flesh. You get wings. Lucanis: Lucky me. My demon has a sense of style.
lol...I remember that one and thinking, is Harding flirting with my bf? I'm going to have a hard time not picking all the heart options with him this game.
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Post by phoray on Nov 16, 2024 22:49:24 GMT
Not my favorite song, but seeing all the moments collected helped sell the romance. I should have skipped stuff in the game to make it 40 hours long. It doesn't help the poor timing the writers chose for the romance scene, but the moments wouldn't have felt so far apart as to be forgotten by the next bread crumb.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 16, 2024 23:09:32 GMT
Not my favorite song, but seeing all the moments collected helped sell the romance. I should have skipped stuff in the game to make it 40 hours long. It doesn't help the poor timing the writers chose for the romance scene, but the moments wouldn't have felt so far apart as to be forgotten by the next bread crumb. Meanwhile, that's one of my favorite songs
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 16, 2024 23:18:03 GMT
Ok so... I re-rolled my Rook as a Crow, and her interactions with Lucanis are so sweet already
I've only just done the coffee date, but it was so nice to hear him say things to her as a fellow Crow ^^
Lucanis: Rook, there's no need to doubt yourself. And if you do, I'll be here to convince you
Like...why are you so sweet?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 16, 2024 23:22:33 GMT
btw. I just found out Lucanis and Harding have banter which indirectly mentions Zevran Guess I'll need to put these two in the party more ^^
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Post by melbella on Nov 16, 2024 23:31:54 GMT
btw. I just found out Lucanis and Harding have banter which indirectly mentions Zevran I got that sequence last game. Also, I love Iris too. That's a great video phoray . Right up there with Hawke/Fenris/Hurricane.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 16, 2024 23:59:54 GMT
btw. I just found out Lucanis and Harding have banter which indirectly mentions Zevran I got that sequence last game. Also, I love Iris too. That's a great video phoray . Right up there with Hawke/Fenris/Hurricane. I love the song Iris...so much so that if I ever have a daughter that'll be her name
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Nov 17, 2024 3:16:47 GMT
Lucanis having no body hair is a game-breaking BUG and needs to be patched instantly. WTF, Biower… 😩
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Post by melbella on Nov 17, 2024 4:28:43 GMT
Lucanis having no body hair is a game-breaking BUG and needs to be patched instantly. WTF, Biower… 😩
Eww, no thanks....he's perfect just they way he is.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 17, 2024 14:47:31 GMT
I played as a Crow and romanced Lucanis. Overall I liked him as a character but the romance was underwhelming. Are all the romances in this game so short or is it due to his particular storyline (it kinda makes sense but I still feel like we needed more scenes).
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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2024 14:51:11 GMT
It took the video and our conversations about him but I finally understand. Lucanis really likes Rook but his entire arc is sort of about not trusting himself because of Spite being inside. Doesn't even trust himself to sleep, which explains why he's always constantly drinking coffee even when it looks inappropriate. Kinda sweet when you think about it, that Anders has no concerns about taking the spirit Justice into a relationship, but Lucanis does. Not that I needed another reason to be angry at Anders, I worked out those demons years ago. But it does show that it's not a joke to be involved with someone possessed by another spirit and it's actually a very level headed response to not just ignore it and hope for the best, or even make a joke of it.
And then he nearly loses Rook and he's just like... I and Spite haven't turned into an abomination so far and I could only think of all the regrets of never even holding Rook in my arms while she was gone. I must go to her.
If there had been actual handholding or even sitting on the couch closely drinking coffee. Just...more. Even Fenris got three scenes, the sex one and the getting back together one and the end game one where he's really passionate. It could have been DA2 amount of stuff and they didn't even do that.
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Post by melbella on Nov 17, 2024 15:06:29 GMT
If there had been actual handholding or even sitting on the couch closely drinking coffee. Just...more. Even Fenris got three scenes, the sex one and the getting back together one and the end game one where he's really passionate. It could have been DA2 amount of stuff and they didn't even do that. We kinda got that with the cafe trip (the second one without Illario) but I'll never turn down more romance content. Repeatable clicking on one's romance partner would have been nice too; they did it with Assan.
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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2024 15:29:25 GMT
If there had been actual handholding or even sitting on the couch closely drinking coffee. Just...more. Even Fenris got three scenes, the sex one and the getting back together one and the end game one where he's really passionate. It could have been DA2 amount of stuff and they didn't even do that. We kinda got that with the cafe trip (the second one without Illario) but I'll never turn down more romance content. Repeatable clicking on one's romance partner would have been nice too; they did it with Assan. Oh, I hadn't realized that was a romance specific scene. I thought even friend Rook could go, just like we can go with Taash for drinks. We're talking about the one where Rook awkwardly looks up from a chair and they just smile at each other without touching?
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Post by melbella on Nov 17, 2024 15:53:52 GMT
We kinda got that with the cafe trip (the second one without Illario) but I'll never turn down more romance content. Repeatable clicking on one's romance partner would have been nice too; they did it with Assan. Oh, I hadn't realized that was a romance specific scene. I thought even friend Rook could go, just like we can go with Taash for drinks. We're talking about the one where Rook awkwardly looks up from a chair and they just smile at each other without touching?
It's slightly different for a friend Rook, and shorter, so probably that last part is not included. I guess I'll see when I get there.
Edit: I am half tempted to harden him this PT just so I don't have to resist romancing him again. But I don't want him mad at me.
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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2024 16:05:56 GMT
But I don't want him mad at me I'd actually be interested to see what him being angry looks like. Neve was upset but really took it on the chin and kept it professional.
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