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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2024 7:44:56 GMT
Speaking of that concept Croatsky another thing that has been on my mind while personally I am dissapointed about Solas being trapped in the Fade, ultimatley would rather him being out running around causing havoc and us playing off each other, it might be the best decision and helps answer threee plot points/ potential issues they could've had if he was running around.
1. He isn't just going to insta kill us- yes if we were going to go around and try and stop his plans would have been enourmously difficult if he ever found out about us since he could just enter our dreams and kill us that way, something in TVN apparently he can even do to Dwarves. But noe he does not have to worry about that at all considering he is trapped there is no real plans of his for us to foil and plus they would've had to come up with a really convulted reason/ macguffin for him to not use that power. Now we know.
2. Why we can use his network-with him being trapped in the Fade he's either not going to have the ability or really be able to do anything to prevent us from using the Eluvians. Same goes for the Evanuris or anyone else really.
3. It gives us a good means to get to know him safely. The big challenge in this game was going to be to build a relationship between Rook and Solas without them constantly bumping into one another and reason number 1 resulting in an instant game over. Now we have that perspective and like with BG III he could still end up being quite antagonistic ultimatley given the Emperor could also visit our dreams (or was the dream guardian all along that fact has not been spoiled/ am confused about, in BG III)
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 19, 2024 7:46:00 GMT
he basically had it in the bag, but for a happy accident. I won't deny there were problems with the delivery, but I have a soft spot for Coryphneous or whatever his fucking name was. One of the best back-stories for a villain I've ever seen. Damn shame Corypheous couldn't get more in DAI, he has very interesting back-story as you said.
What's really ridiculous is what little we get from him in DAI, like half of his content won't be seen unless you side with Templars.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 19, 2024 7:51:38 GMT
I am very surprised that Elgar'nan is the male Evanuris. He's supposedly their leader and the most powerful, so logically he would be fought last. Maybe their hierarchy is different than what elven legend says, or maybe one of the others was pulling a "man-behind-the-man" gambit and is actually even more powerful. I'm all in on Ghilan'nain being the puppet master (mistress).
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 19, 2024 8:08:25 GMT
All right, there's that pessimism, exacting standards, and self-importance Bioware fandom is famous for. So many here were pretty positive the last few days, I was beginning to worry. Especially for Hanako. I knew I wasn't the only one who felt that. I know BSN folks are divided with one faction being nitpicky about every single little things but still chooses to buy the game. How are we so divided though? Some want to crack the egg, some want to redeem him. Some want a fresh new protagonist, some (especially Hanako) want the Inquisitor to be the one. Some want to move on, some want the old stuff back. I always felt being at Bioware would be so nerve-wrecking if they are on hardcore communities like BSNs and Reddit. You can never satisfy everyone. I, for one, mourned the departure of open-world environments but that's just me. It's not a deal breaker for me. I'm rather unimpressed with the possible notion that Solas gets to be treated in this manner too but wouldn't be a bit too early to judge on it when we have only seen a gameplay video and info tidbits. One thing I have known about this fandom is that they are too quick to jump onto conclusions. The reason is that every DA game was so different. Pulling in lots of different character.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 19, 2024 8:09:22 GMT
I am very surprised that Elgar'nan is the male Evanuris. He's supposedly their leader and the most powerful, so logically he would be fought last. Maybe their hierarchy is different than what elven legend says, or maybe one of the others was pulling a "man-behind-the-man" gambit and is actually even more powerful. I'm all in on Ghilan'nain being the puppet master (mistress). But then she wouldn't be the first to be fought either.
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Post by fylimar on Jun 19, 2024 8:09:52 GMT
I'm not happy with a Solas centric story, since I don't like him much. But I guess he will be haunting me here too.
I agree with Gervais, that he really should learn how to communicate properly. If we loose Varric, because Solas didn't bother to tell his plan to someone, he considered a friend, I'm really mad. If we loose Varric, I'm mad, period. I'm ok with him not being part of the main story, but let him live out his remaining life in peace.
I'm not sure, if I will play the game, as I said. But I hope, we don't have Solas taking centre stage. I don't really care, if he is right or wrong, he is a character, that doesn't interest me a lot. I'm not going all murderhobo on him, though I think, he really should work on his communication skills.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2024 8:15:09 GMT
I'm not happy with a Solas centric story, since I don't like him much. But I guess he will be haunting me here too. I agree with Gervais, that he really should learn how to communicate properly. If we loose Varric, because Solas didn't bother to tell his plan to someone, he considered a friend, I'm really mad. If we loose Varric, I'm mad, period. I'm ok with him not being part of the main story, but let him live out his remaining life in peace. I'm not sure, if I will play the game, as I said. But I hope, we don't have Solas taking centre stage. I don't really care, if he is right or wrong, he is a character, that doesn't interest me a lot. I'm not going all murderhobo on him, though I think, he really should work on his communication skills. I don't know the plan looks like it went pretty much how he said it was going into without giving details which would've been highly illogical for him to do so. He did warn us about the Elven gods and said they would get free if the Veil came down but also mentioned that he did have plans to stop him, or at least was taking them into account. ALl of which happened during this ritual.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 19, 2024 8:15:30 GMT
I am very surprised that Elgar'nan is the male Evanuris. He's supposedly their leader and the most powerful, so logically he would be fought last. Maybe their hierarchy is different than what elven legend says, or maybe one of the others was pulling a "man-behind-the-man" gambit and is actually even more powerful. Mind you on this idea I find it REALLY curious that you have the FIRST of the Gods and then the last one to be elevated to godhood in the Elven pantheon being represented here. Wonder if there is thematic signicance to that. There may be a clue in the mosaic pieces you could acquire in DAI, specifically the Archdemon, where the dragon appears to have 3 heads. Gatsi suggests this as the meaning: Because what I'm thinking is that this is one Archdemon and the three heads are the reaction to the three lines. Because piercing-line-one is on the same tier as the Tevinter second from left, and the middle head turned away. Piercing-line-two is the same tier as Tevinter fifth from left, and the first head turned away. And the line that misses it, that's the same tier as the big Tevinter, farthest out. And the dragon is looking straight at him. So the ones who did damage, the dragon doesn't care. The one who faked it, the dragon gives him an eyeful.So I think the dragon illustrated was never an arch-demon but Mythal. The meaning behind it is that although certain gods may have actually done the damage, the dragon knew that the one off to the side, pretending they had nothing to do with it, was really responsible. (Let's face it would the others have moved against Mythal if they didn't think he secretly approved?). If the elven gods do equate to the last two Old Gods then that would also be appropriate. The last god, Lusacan, the God of Shadows, has really been the one controlling things all this time, getting the Magisters to invade the Black City (either pretending to be Dumat or encouraging Dumat that way). Whilst he remained The Watcher. Also his vallaslin show a split between light and dark, reflecting the two aspects to his personality. On the basis of the voice at the end of the 2023 trailer, I did think that was Elgar'nan, so no real surprise there. (I do wonder why they made such a link between Lusacan and Falon'Din though in the codices associated with the astrariums). As for Ghilan'nain, she is the goddess of mysteries. She was getting up to all sorts of stuff in the Deep Roads that likely none of the other gods knew about, at least at first. It says she had to be bribed into destroying her monsters, which is interesting because clearly the other gods didn't consider themselves capable of destroying them without her consent and perhaps doubted their capacity to destroy her too. Perhaps she was originally a renegade doing her own thing and so they offered her an alliance in order to bring them under a semblance of control by Mythal and Elgar'nan. Thus, when it comes to terms of power, may be she was co-equal with Elgar'nan.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2024 8:21:06 GMT
I am very surprised that Elgar'nan is the male Evanuris. He's supposedly their leader and the most powerful, so logically he would be fought last. Maybe their hierarchy is different than what elven legend says, or maybe one of the others was pulling a "man-behind-the-man" gambit and is actually even more powerful. Mind you on this idea I find it REALLY curious that you have the FIRST of the Gods and then the last one to be elevated to godhood in the Elven pantheon being represented here. Wonder if there is thematic signicance to that. There may be a clue in the mosaic pieces you could acquire in DAI, specifically the Archdemon, where the dragon appears to have 3 heads. Gatsi suggests this as the meaning: Because what I'm thinking is that this is one Archdemon and the three heads are the reaction to the three lines. Because piercing-line-one is on the same tier as the Tevinter second from left, and the middle head turned away. Piercing-line-two is the same tier as Tevinter fifth from left, and the first head turned away. And the line that misses it, that's the same tier as the big Tevinter, farthest out. And the dragon is looking straight at him. So the ones who did damage, the dragon doesn't care. The one who faked it, the dragon gives him an eyeful.So I think the dragon illustrated was never an arch-demon but Mythal. The meaning behind it is that although certain gods may have actually done the damage, the dragon knew that the one off to the side, pretending they had nothing to do with it, was really responsible. (Let's face it would the others have moved against Mythal if they didn't think he secretly approved?). If the elven gods do equate to the last two Old Gods then that would also be appropriate. The last god, Lusacan, the God of Shadows, has really been the one controlling things all this time, getting the Magisters to invade the Black City (either pretending to be Dumat or encouraging Dumat that way). Whilst he remained The Watcher. Also his vallaslin show a split between light and dark, reflecting the two aspects to his personality. On the basis of the voice at the end of the 2023 trailer, I did think that was Elgar'nan, so no real surprise there. (I do wonder why they made such a link between Lusacan and Falon'Din though in the codices associated with the astrariums). As for Ghilan'nain, she is the goddess of mysteries. She was getting up to all sorts of stuff in the Deep Roads that likely none of the other gods knew about, at least at first. It says she had to be bribed into destroying her monsters, which is interesting because clearly the other gods didn't consider themselves capable of destroying them without her consent and perhaps doubted their capacity to destroy her too. Perhaps she was originally a renegade doing her own thing and so they offered her an alliance in order to bring them under a semblance of control by Mythal and Elgar'nan. Thus, when it comes to terms of power, may be she was co-equal with Elgar'nan. Now there's an interesting theory actually. Seems a lot of this stuff is related to the Blight like I don't think the Evanuris created the Blight but wanted to weaponize it. So its likely that was what Ghil and Andruil were up to which is why they were created. Meanwhile Ghil using the Blight gave her a lot of super special powers and elevated her which simultaneously intimidated the Evanuris but what might've also caused them to be envious so they wanted her to do it to the rest of them, Mythal said no, so they killed her. Solas who was trying to fight them (indeed their weaponizing the Blight probably was owing to SOlas's rebellion in the first place) gets pissed and does his thing.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 19, 2024 8:25:27 GMT
I'm all in on Ghilan'nain being the puppet master (mistress). But then she wouldn't be the first to be fought either. Sorry, I'm not clear on what you mean by that.
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Post by fylimar on Jun 19, 2024 8:30:27 GMT
I'm not happy with a Solas centric story, since I don't like him much. But I guess he will be haunting me here too. I agree with Gervais, that he really should learn how to communicate properly. If we loose Varric, because Solas didn't bother to tell his plan to someone, he considered a friend, I'm really mad. If we loose Varric, I'm mad, period. I'm ok with him not being part of the main story, but let him live out his remaining life in peace. I'm not sure, if I will play the game, as I said. But I hope, we don't have Solas taking centre stage. I don't really care, if he is right or wrong, he is a character, that doesn't interest me a lot. I'm not going all murderhobo on him, though I think, he really should work on his communication skills. I don't know the plan looks like it went pretty much how he said it was going into without giving details which would've been highly illogical for him to do so. He did warn us about the Elven gods and said they would get free if the Veil came down but also mentioned that he did have plans to stop him, or at least was taking them into account. ALl of which happened during this ritual. The point is, whether he is trustworthy or not, Rook doesn't know that. They might have heard the worst things about Solas probably and him saying "Trust me", well, speaking only from my experience, but I had trouble with it. If he tried to explain it a bit more, maybe even beforehand to Carrick and Harding, two people he knows and trusts, things could have been different. If course,we wouldn't have a game then. I guess,what I want to say is, the premises is a bit shaky and solely dependent on Solas basically being a shitty friend (and I'm not even talking about a romanced inqui,since I didn't romance him most of the time) and I think, that is,why a lot of people might not like Solas or having as strong opinions about him. He just never communicates in a grown up matter, he gives you bits and pieces. And I get it, that he doesn't trust the group in the beginning, but at the end of Inquisition, he pretty much trusts at least people like Varric and my inquis always had high approval with him too. If Solas isn't the main villain in this game, it would have been nicer having the breakout a bit different, maybe even having Rook and him working together on that and then a third party brought the pillar down. I don't know, I have to see the finished game,since there were probably parts missing in between the gameplay trailer, so I might change my opinion. Right now I think, Solas just makes his and other people's life unnecessarily hard.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 19, 2024 8:51:25 GMT
But then she wouldn't be the first to be fought either. Sorry, I'm not clear on what you mean by that. If we're not fighting the Evanuris all at once, then we can expect that the most powerful will be the one that we fight last. If elven legend is taken at face value, then that should be Elgar'nan, and yet we're facing him first. We're also facing Ghillain'Nan first, so that also rules out her as the most powerful.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 19, 2024 8:54:39 GMT
Sorry, I'm not clear on what you mean by that. If we're not fighting the Evanuris all at once, then we can expect that the most powerful will be the one that we fight last. If elven legend is taken at face value, then that should be Elgar'nan, and yet we're facing him first. We're also facing Ghillain'Nan first, so that also rules out her as the most powerful. For me that mean the other are already dead or somewhere else.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 19, 2024 9:12:14 GMT
Sorry, I'm not clear on what you mean by that. If we're not fighting the Evanuris all at once, then we can expect that the most powerful will be the one that we fight last. If elven legend is taken at face value, then that should be Elgar'nan, and yet we're facing him first. We're also facing Ghillain'Nan first, so that also rules out her as the most powerful. I understand now. Well one thing we've learned through this series is myth and truth don't always align. Power is also fluid...one can accrue more...supplanting another. I think we'll address the bulk of the Evanuris in this game. I have a speculative alt theory that Ghillain'nan is working on behalf of Andruil who is trapped in the void with the forgotten ones...which could be the big bad for the next game. Truthfully, I find it hard to believe any of these "deities" are going to work well with one another...which is no doubt to our benefit. It seems to me any of them should be able to make short work of Thedas so it'll be interesting to see what's stopping Elgar'nan from just stomping Minrathous flat. At this point it's anyone's guess how this is going to play out
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 19, 2024 9:21:04 GMT
Did you guys all pay for the GI article or how were you able to read it? I tried watching the breakdown video but gave up in frustration. 3h for 12 pages?! All the distracted rambling had me almost pull my hair out. Just read the damn article! Ugh. Interesting how it's mentioned in the article that Rook is no one special with no secret McGuffin at their disposal but they go on and reveal that Rook's blood got mixed in with the ritual and they're forever connected to the fade. So Rook is special, just like the inquisitor was. Inquisition 2.0? Yeah big LOL. I was happy for a hot minute Rook would be like Hawke again, a normal badass person, only to learn that it's the magical hand all over again, just slightly different. The inquisitor was so lame, Ryder was so lame because they were aided by something and didn't feel confident and competent at all. Hell, inky had to ask the advisors to tell them what to do all the time. And Ryder had SAM to babysit him. Godawful. Give me Shepard who's a decorated soldier but a normal person up until the ME3 ending made them space Jesus. I get a strong space Jesus vibe from Rook being connected to the fade here too. If they'll be the key to synthesis again I'm laughing my ass off.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 19, 2024 9:21:43 GMT
This does looks like the elements are in the second row and not in the specialization.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 19, 2024 9:23:24 GMT
Solas to Rook: Wake the fuck up, samurai.I'd say Solas' situation is more similar to ehh Dream Guardian from BG3 rather than Johnny. Does it mean that we will see Solas half naked ? If only it had been just HALF naked... *rolls into fetal position at the memory*
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Post by fylimar on Jun 19, 2024 9:23:47 GMT
Did you guys all pay for the GI article or how were you able to read it? I tried watching the breakdown video but gave up in frustration. 3h for 12 pages?! All the distracted rambling had me almost pull my hair out. Just read the damn article! Ugh. Interesting how it's mentioned in the article that Rook is no one special with no secret McGuffin at their disposal but they go on and reveal that Rook's blood got mixed in with the ritual and they're forever connected to the fade. So Rook is special, just like the inquisitor was. Inquisition 2.0? Yeah big LOL. I was happy for a hot minute Rook would be like Hawke again, a normal badass person, only to learn that it's the magical hand all over again, just slightly different. The inquisitor was so lame, Ryder was so lame because they were aided by something and didn't feel confident and competent at all. Hell, inky had to ask the advisors to tell them what to do all the time. And Ryder had SAM to babysit him. Godawful. Give me Shepard who's a decorated soldier but a normal person up until the ME3 ending made them space Jesus. I get a strong space Jesus vibe from Rook being connected to the fade here too. If they'll be the key to synthesis again I'm laughing my ass off. I was able to read it normally without paying. I didn't even know, it was an article, you have to pay for, I just clicked on the link.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2024 9:23:56 GMT
Did you guys all pay for the GI article or how were you able to read it? I tried watching the breakdown video but gave up in frustration. 3h for 12 pages?! All the distracted rambling had me almost pull my hair out. Just read the damn article! Ugh. Interesting how it's mentioned in the article that Rook is no one special with no secret McGuffin at their disposal but they go on and reveal that Rook's blood got mixed in with the ritual and they're forever connected to the fade. So Rook is special, just like the inquisitor was. Inquisition 2.0? Yeah big LOL. I was happy for a hot minute Rook would be like Hawke again, a normal badass person, only to learn that it's the magical hand all over again, just slightly different. The inquisitor was so lame, Ryder was so lame because they were aided by something and didn't feel confident and competent at all. Hell, inky had to ask the advisors to tell them what to do all the time. And Ryder had SAM to babysit him. Godawful. Give me Shepard who's a decorated soldier but a normal person up until the ME3 ending made them space Jesus. I get a strong space Jesus vibe from Rook being connected to the fade here too. If they'll be the key to synthesis again I'm laughing my ass off. Its on the website as well where you can read it for free. Also we don't know how the connection to the Fade is going to work or what the 'powers' (if any) there are going to be. Could end up being much more of a burden then a cure this time out. Plus that is kind of what advisors do and Ryder was plenty competent on his own, SAM just helped with translation.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 19, 2024 9:30:42 GMT
Its on the website as well where you can read it for free. Also we don't know how the connection to the Fade is going to work or what the 'powers' (if any) there are going to be. Could end up being much more of a burden then a cure this time out. Plus that is kind of what advisors do and Ryder was plenty competent on his own, SAM just helped with translation. Do you have a link? Because the link here in the thread is behind a paywall for me and the only free one I found was only about the combat. The way I remember DAI is that the advisors would literally tell inky what to do next a lot. Yes advisors do that but it felt like inky had no clue what they were doing and didn't have much of a personality either. And Ryder was much worse. I thought both were really uncharismatic boring protagonists. But that's just my opinion of course. So I'm glad to not play inky again as the main character but I'm curious what their role will be, and if we get the option to kill Solas inky should be the one to do it.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 19, 2024 9:31:42 GMT
Did you guys all pay for the GI article or how were you able to read it? I tried watching the breakdown video but gave up in frustration. 3h for 12 pages?! All the distracted rambling had me almost pull my hair out. Just read the damn article! Ugh. Yeah big LOL. I was happy for a hot minute Rook would be like Hawke again, a normal badass person, only to learn that it's the magical hand all over again, just slightly different. The inquisitor was so lame, Ryder was so lame because they were aided by something and didn't feel confident and competent at all. Hell, inky had to ask the advisors to tell them what to do all the time. And Ryder had SAM to babysit him. Godawful. Give me Shepard who's a decorated soldier but a normal person up until the ME3 ending made them space Jesus. I get a strong space Jesus vibe from Rook being connected to the fade here too. If they'll be the key to synthesis again I'm laughing my ass off. Its on the website as well where you can read it for free. Also we don't know how the connection to the Fade is going to work or what the 'powers' (if any) there are going to be. Could end up being much more of a burden then a cure this time out. Plus that is kind of what advisors do and Ryder was plenty competent on his own, SAM just helped with translation. I am not a fan of the connection with the fade and Solas as voice, kind of advisior. I don't like this in other games and i don't like it here, but what so ever. I will life with it.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2024 9:32:23 GMT
Its on the website as well where you can read it for free. Also we don't know how the connection to the Fade is going to work or what the 'powers' (if any) there are going to be. Could end up being much more of a burden then a cure this time out. Plus that is kind of what advisors do and Ryder was plenty competent on his own, SAM just helped with translation. Do you have a link? Because the link here in the thread is behind a paywall for me and the only free one I found was only about the combat. The way I remember DAI is that the advisors would literally tell inky whag to do next a lot. Yes advisors do that but it felt like inky had no clue what they were doing and didn't have much of a personality either. And Ryder was much worse. I thought both were really uncharismatic boring protagonists. But that's just my opinion of course. So I'm glad to not play inky again as the main character but I'm curious what their role will be, and if we get the option to kill Solas inky should be the one to do it. www.gameinformer.com/magazineThere you go. That is kind of wha thappens when one is in charge of a large organization or a field leader in the first place. Someone has to give you intel on what is going on so the leader can make the decisions on what to do one.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 19, 2024 9:34:38 GMT
Its on the website as well where you can read it for free. Also we don't know how the connection to the Fade is going to work or what the 'powers' (if any) there are going to be. Could end up being much more of a burden then a cure this time out. Plus that is kind of what advisors do and Ryder was plenty competent on his own, SAM just helped with translation. Do you have a link? Because the link here in the thread is behind a paywall for me and the only free one I found was only about the combat. The way I remember DAI is that the advisors would literally tell inky what to do next a lot. Yes advisors do that but it felt like inky had no clue what they were doing and didn't have much of a personality either. And Ryder was much worse. I thought both were really uncharismatic boring protagonists. But that's just my opinion of course. So I'm glad to not play inky again as the main character but I'm curious what their role will be, and if we get the option to kill Solas inky should be the one to do it. You have to scroll down the free version comes after the info to pay.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 19, 2024 9:46:52 GMT
You have to scroll down the free version comes after the info to pay. Oh! Thanks guys, I see now. I was so put off by the paywall that I didn't realize clicking on a format would actually allow me to read for free. Very misleading design. Got it now!
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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2024 9:49:55 GMT
You have to scroll down the free version comes after the info to pay. Oh! Thanks guys, I see now. I was so put off by the paywall that I didn't realize clicking on a format would actually allow me to read for free. Very misleading design. Got it now! I had the same thought honestly and was very surprised when I clicked on the link that it was actually free. I expected it to bring up a screen asking for credit card information but I clicked on it figuring what the hell.
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