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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 19, 2024 16:03:49 GMT
We meet Neve in Minrathous in the beginning of the game as per the gameplay demo and the Game Informer article tells us that we meet Strife and Irelin at Arlathan. It doesn't have to mean anything, but it does make me wonder if we'll also meet the Wardens and the Crows as well. After all, it seems plausible that we go to these locations in the game. I think there is a strong possibility this will be the case. Evka and Antoine may be at Weisshaupt but it is possible we will meet them in the Deep Roads and perhaps they will guide us to what we seek there. As for Antiva, I think meeting Teia and Viago is a certainty.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 19, 2024 16:11:10 GMT
So question...if the Grey Wardens could defeat the archdemons through the ingestion of darkspawn blood does this mean a grey warden could theoretically bring down these blight tainted elder gods and if we think about our companions we see where I may be going with this... We don't know if what the Grey Wardens assumed about the results of their ritual was true. Riorden told us it killed both the Warden and the Arch-demon, which superficially was true, but did it destroy them totally or just release the soul to go where? Flemeth said we snatched Urthemiel from the jaws of darkness. If she wasn't just speaking poetically, it is possible it did save the soul from being sucked into the Void, which is where I believe the Arch-demons derive their magical power (because according to Last Flight it definitely doesn't come from the Fade). Corypheus described the Blight as the Darkness, so since the elves call the place it originates the "Place of Nothing", I would take that to mean the Void. This would fit with what Flemeth said. So, whilst we have a Grey Warden in the Veilguard who would likely be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary, I think we ought to check if it does actually result in the permanent death of the god entity.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 19, 2024 16:18:06 GMT
So question...if the Grey Wardens could defeat the archdemons through the ingestion of darkspawn blood does this mean a grey warden could theoretically bring down these blight tainted elder gods and if we think about our companions we see where I may be going with this... We don't know if what the Grey Wardens assumed about the results of their ritual was true. Riorden told us it killed both the Warden and the Arch-demon, which superficially was true, but did it destroy them totally or just release the soul to go where? Flemeth said we snatched Urthemiel from the jaws of darkness. If she wasn't just speaking poetically, it is possible it did save the soul from being sucked into the Void, which is where I believe the Arch-demons derive their magical power (because according to Last Flight it definitely doesn't come from the Fade). Corypheus described the Blight as the Darkness, so since the elves call the place it originates the "Place of Nothing", I would take that to mean the Void. This would fit with what Flemeth said. So, whilst we have a Grey Warden in the Veilguard who would likely be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary, I think we ought to check if it does actually result in the permanent death of the god entity. It will make for some interesting decisions I suspect if you choose Warden as a path in the game and then there is Davrin. I was just musing as to whether this Warden thing is an option to deal with these two blighted gods.
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Post by cyanwool on Jun 19, 2024 16:18:11 GMT
If we're not fighting the Evanuris all at once, then we can expect that the most powerful will be the one that we fight last. If elven legend is taken at face value, then that should be Elgar'nan, and yet we're facing him first. We're also facing Ghillain'Nan first, so that also rules out her as the most powerful. For me that mean the other are already dead or somewhere else. My understanding from watching one of the You Tube videos analysing what was going on in that final scene (before the latest article) suggested that Solas was transferring/killing the gods in turn as evidenced by a beam lighting up on each statue (turns out he was transferring them). The last two that had not yet lit up were the one relating to Elgar'nan and the other relating to Ghilan'nain. If their theory was correct, then he had already transferred the "lesser" gods and left these two until last as they were the most dangerous. Then we interrupted the prison transfer process so they are now free. Unless they choose to find a way to release the other ones, I'm guessing they are safely locked away for the present, although I suppose it is possible they might try to make contact through the Fade. Since the voice connected with Rivain was extolling the risen gods, either they both go there or Ghil makes it her first port of call, since she does seem to have strong connection with the sea. Then I imagine down into the Deep Roads to reignite her pools and start monster creation again. Meanwhile, Elgar'nan is likely going to head off for the other side of Thedas, perhaps to the Anderfels, although I would have thought the Grand Necropolis would have been his logical stop, if he can control the undead. Although I thought that would have been more appropriate to Falon'Din. However, I think Elgar'nan is more likely to be seen on the surface rather than the Deep Roads. That is why the dwarves didn't dare come to the surface in ancient times, because Elgar'nan was patrolling the skies. He was associated with thunder and lightning and there was reported to be a gathering storm near Weisshaupt. This reminded of the executors, they haven't been mentioned in a while. Maybe we get to see those guys in Rivain too, that's as close from across the ocean as we will get. The executors and Ghilan'nain were theorized to be llinked in some way, as both the pool in Horror of Hormak and the executor Solas kills are described as smelling like the ocean
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Post by asen0311 on Jun 19, 2024 16:22:50 GMT
Dumat was the strongest Old God and he was the 1st one killed. Not necessarily. He was just the one that was behind the assault on the Black City. That could have been because he had the strongest Fade presence but not necessarily the strongest one on the outside. Razikale is likely very strong. Whatever magic her priesthood used (which I admit was probably utilising earlier elven magic) resulted in a city that has never fallen to an invading force in Minrathous. She was both patron of the city and of the Kingdom of Tevinter itself. So far as I can tell the Neromenians weren't able to conquer Tevinter either. It was only when Darinius returned to claim his birthright that it was combined with the southern kingdom. Meanwhile, if the Old Gods were presenting in order of descending order of importance, Lucasan would be the last man standing. That suggests more an ascending order of importance to me. So, Dumat came first because he was at the bottom of the pecking order. Naturally, that would make him eager to improve his status by being the one whose priesthood breached the seal on the Black City. Shadow and darkness finally triumph over all in an endless night. What did Corypheus say they found in the Black City? The Darkness, which they absorbed, so it seems to me to be another way of describing the Blight. So Lusacan is the God of the Blight, likely immune to its effects in so much as it doesn't send him crazy. He wanted a world totally infected with it, so it was totally subservient to him. No, he is definitely the most powerful of the Old Gods. I think THIS is why I'm now loathe to think that the two freed Evanuris necessarily correspond to the remaining archdemons (considering how the ritual was interrupted). It's obviously all assumption based, and you know what people say about assuming, but Falon'Din's connection to darkness/the Void/death etc, would really make me think he's the one most in tune with the Blight and Blight magic? A few months ago I was noodling more on the Void and have mostly lost that train of thought in the interim but I'm always thinking about that "Falon'Din had no fear of the night and would walk where the People could not live" quote from the original codex on him from DAO. Of course- Elgar'nan being the "god of the sun" could also flip to him being the god of darkness by law of inversion - he can plunge the world into darkness if he wants yada yada. I do kinda admire JUST HOW tangled the writers made the earlier game lore so pretty much whatever works haha.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 19, 2024 16:26:49 GMT
We meet Neve in Minrathous in the beginning of the game as per the gameplay demo and the Game Informer article tells us that we meet Strife and Irelin at Arlathan. It doesn't have to mean anything, but it does make me wonder if we'll also meet the Wardens and the Crows as well. After all, it seems plausible that we go to these locations in the game. I think there is a strong possibility this will be the case. Evka and Antoine may be at Weisshaupt but it is possible we will meet them in the Deep Roads and perhaps they will guide us to what we seek there. As for Antiva, I think meeting Teia and Viago is a certainty. Hope we get to kill those two, and the rest of the Crows and free Antiva of their filth.
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Post by Faye on Jun 19, 2024 16:34:17 GMT
Rereading the article kind of made me annoyed that Solas is in our head? I love the egg but I'm not into the territory of hearing him monologue and continuously point out my Rooks mistakes if they don't aligned with what he wants
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 19, 2024 16:40:17 GMT
Rereading the article kind of made me annoyed that Solas is in our head? I love the egg but I'm not into the territory of hearing him monologue and continuously point out my Rooks mistakes if they don't aligned with what he wants Rook: Lace, let's get a little more comfortable over here. I've put the wine outside to chill and... Solas: Rook, I'd like to go over those reports again about your latest mission. Going to need to block out a solid four hours of your time to do that.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 19, 2024 16:51:08 GMT
We meet Neve in Minrathous in the beginning of the game as per the gameplay demo and the Game Informer article tells us that we meet Strife and Irelin at Arlathan. It doesn't have to mean anything, but it does make me wonder if we'll also meet the Wardens and the Crows as well. After all, it seems plausible that we go to these locations in the game. I think there is a strong possibility this will be the case. Evka and Antoine may be at Weisshaupt but it is possible we will meet them in the Deep Roads and perhaps they will guide us to what we seek there. As for Antiva, I think meeting Teia and Viago is a certainty. I dearly hope so.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 19, 2024 17:22:34 GMT
Rook: Lace, let's get a little more comfortable over here. I've put the wine outside to chill and... Solas: Rook, I'd like to go over those reports again about your latest mission. Going to need to block out a solid four hours of your time to do that. This reminds me of my relationship with TIM in ME2 and the fact you'd return from a mission only to be told he wanted to speak to you again. This came to a head over my tank of fish. I knew I needed to get down there to feed them but I was told I should see him immediately and then I was sent straight out again without getting a chance to feed my fish. Well, you've guessed it, the fish died. I was not happy. I replaced my fish and from then on they took priority. "Commander Shepard, TIM wants to speak with you." "Not now, I have to feed my fish!" (This was in my head but I could imagine saying it out loud as I dashed past them) I'm sure everyone thought it was some euphanism for another activity because why would I be so fanatical about feeding my fish! I seem to recall it was possible to get Kelly to feed them for me if I played my cards right. Then in ME3 it turned out that Kelly, lovely girl, had been caring for my fish in my absence. Clearly, she'd noticed the manic gleam in my eye over the welfare of my fish. The Reapers she could deal with but best keep on the right side of a man who loves his fish!
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 19, 2024 17:32:46 GMT
Rook: Lace, let's get a little more comfortable over here. I've put the wine outside to chill and... Solas: Rook, I'd like to go over those reports again about your latest mission. Going to need to block out a solid four hours of your time to do that. This reminds me of my relationship with TIM in ME2 and the fact you'd return from a mission only to be told he wanted to speak to you again. This came to a head over my tank of fish. I knew I needed to get down there to feed them but I was told I should see him immediately and then I was sent straight out again without getting a chance to feed my fish. Well, you've guessed it, the fish died. I was not happy. I replaced my fish and from then on they took priority. "Commander Shepard, TIM wants to speak with you." "Not now, I have to feed my fish!" (This was in my head but I could imagine saying it out loud as I dashed past them) I'm sure everyone thought it was some euphanism for another activity because why would I be so fanatical about feeding my fish! I seem to recall it was possible to get Kelly to feed them for me if I played my cards right. Then in ME3 it turned out that Kelly, lovely girl, had been caring for my fish in my absence. Clearly, she'd noticed the manic gleam in my eye over the welfare of my fish. The Reapers she could deal with but best keep on the right side of a man who loves his fish! Yep it's Tim and Sam all over again. Could be as funny as Spock entering Kirk's brain periodically but it could also be really irritating.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 19, 2024 17:35:06 GMT
Rook: Lace, let's get a little more comfortable over here. I've put the wine outside to chill and... Solas: Rook, I'd like to go over those reports again about your latest mission. Going to need to block out a solid four hours of your time to do that. This reminds me of my relationship with TIM in ME2 and the fact you'd return from a mission only to be told he wanted to speak to you again. This came to a head over my tank of fish. I knew I needed to get down there to feed them but I was told I should see him immediately and then I was sent straight out again without getting a chance to feed my fish. Well, you've guessed it, the fish died. I was not happy. I replaced my fish and from then on they took priority. "Commander Shepard, TIM wants to speak with you." "Not now, I have to feed my fish!" (This was in my head but I could imagine saying it out loud as I dashed past them) I'm sure everyone thought it was some euphanism for another activity because why would I be so fanatical about feeding my fish! I seem to recall it was possible to get Kelly to feed them for me if I played my cards right. Then in ME3 it turned out that Kelly, lovely girl, had been caring for my fish in my absence. Clearly, she'd noticed the manic gleam in my eye over the welfare of my fish. The Reapers she could deal with but best keep on the right side of a man who loves his fish! Just another reason Kelly is the best in the Shepard Trilogy. She’s the only character that understands how important your pets are to you.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 19, 2024 17:48:47 GMT
So... it seems like they had this idea of Solas-Rook connection since at least 2016. And probably earlier, considering that DAI and DAV, for a time at least, were supposed to be one chapter. I assume that, back then, it's the Anchor that connected our PC to Solas.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 19, 2024 17:55:53 GMT
I am very surprised that Elgar'nan is the male Evanuris. He's supposedly their leader and the most powerful, so logically he would be fought last. Maybe their hierarchy is different than what elven legend says, or maybe one of the others was pulling a "man-behind-the-man" gambit and is actually even more powerful. Dumat was the strongest Old God and he was the 1st one killed. There's a popular trope in fantasy in which a god's strength is relative to the number of worshippers they have - I'd say that stories like the one where Falon'Din being hell-bent on gaining new followers, as well as ability to transfer one's esoteric power to boost another (like when Inquisitor was boosted when they were closing the Breach) suggest that something of that sort exists in DA universe. So, the fact that Dumat was the strongest Old God may not be because he was the strongest Elvhen god, but because he's had the biggest following in Tevinter.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 19, 2024 17:58:10 GMT
This reminded of the executors, they haven't been mentioned in a while. Maybe we get to see those guys in Rivain too, that's as close from across the ocean as we will get. The executors and Ghilan'nain were theorized to be llinked in some way, as both the pool in Horror of Hormak and the executor Solas kills are described as smelling like the ocean They may as well be powers from farther away... I mean, who knows? We only really know one continent, and not even an entire one (did we even get a map that would reveal the shape of the whole landmass?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 19, 2024 18:01:06 GMT
Just another reason Kelly is the best in the Shepard Trilogy. She’s the only character that understands how important your pets are to you. Yes, when you think how many people were on the Normandy and not one of them thought to check on my fish. Useless bunch! I wonder if we're going to have something similar with Assan. Need to remember to feed the griffon. Not that they would be so cruel as to kill the griffon but may be Davrin might not be impressed if you forgot. Then, of course, if they were to make a choice between saving the griffon and saving X. Sorry X but..... Hopefully, it won't come to that. Actually, it more likely would involve Davrin. If he died that would really hit Assan hard. Incidentally, if Ghilan'nain was responsible for creating the griffons (which are after all a hybrid creature) since it was said she gave her "monsters" of the air to Andruil, I wonder how Assan will react to the goddess? In Last Flight they really had a thing about the Blight that sent them crazy (although apparently couldn't sense the taint in the Wardens), so a blight riddled goddess would likely send Assan into a frenzy.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 19, 2024 18:06:32 GMT
Just another reason Kelly is the best in the Shepard Trilogy. She’s the only character that understands how important your pets are to you. Yes, when you think how many people were on the Normandy and not one of them thought to check on my fish. Useless bunch! I wonder if we're going to have something similar with Assan. Need to remember to feed the griffon. Not that they would be so cruel as to kill the griffon but may be Davrin might not be impressed if you forgot. Then, of course, if they were to make a choice between saving the griffon and saving X. Sorry X but..... Hopefully, it won't come to that. Actually, it more likely would involve Davrin. If he died that would really hit Assan hard. Incidentally, if Ghilan'nain was responsible for creating the griffons (which are after all a hybrid creature) since it was said she gave her "monsters" of the air to Andruil, I wonder how Assan will react to the goddess? In Last Flight they really had a thing about the Blight that sent them crazy (although apparently couldn't sense the taint in the Wardens), so a blight riddled goddess would likely send Assan into a frenzy. I would love a Griffin feeding mechanic. Maybe we can assign Solas to Griffin feeding and litterbox cleaning while we're out on missions?
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Jun 19, 2024 18:10:33 GMT
That article praises the art style changing from grim-dark to whimsical Fable-esque. That already happened with Inquisition and to a degree Dragon Age II, I do not think it praiseworthy, the opposite as it is far from a unique look especially today. Oversaturation of colour both literal and figurative has become a blight upon the industry in ways the Darkspawn could only dream of.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 19, 2024 18:15:01 GMT
Yes, when you think how many people were on the Normandy and not one of them thought to check on my fish. Useless bunch! I wonder if we're going to have something similar with Assan. Need to remember to feed the griffon. Not that they would be so cruel as to kill the griffon but may be Davrin might not be impressed if you forgot. Then, of course, if they were to make a choice between saving the griffon and saving X. Sorry X but..... Hopefully, it won't come to that. Actually, it more likely would involve Davrin. If he died that would really hit Assan hard. Incidentally, if Ghilan'nain was responsible for creating the griffons (which are after all a hybrid creature) since it was said she gave her "monsters" of the air to Andruil, I wonder how Assan will react to the goddess? In Last Flight they really had a thing about the Blight that sent them crazy (although apparently couldn't sense the taint in the Wardens), so a blight riddled goddess would likely send Assan into a frenzy. I would love a Griffin feeding mechanic. Maybe we can assign Solas to Griffin feeding and litterbox cleaning while we're out on missions? I think for most of DAVe he will likely be just a disembodied voice ...Although it would be kinda hilarious if the Lighthouse itself was... alive in some sense, like - things can move, creak, disappear, etc. Not necessarily thing directly linked to Solas, but one that is nevertheless loyal to him (and I know how it can be done - spirits can posses objects too, and we know that Solas is surrounded by spirits that like him) So you're trying to sit on his favorite chair and then whoop! - it moves away just as you're trying to sit on it. You want to take his diary from a nighstand? BAM! - the drawer shuts and you're left with sore fingers.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 19, 2024 18:16:32 GMT
To be fair, they were referring specifically to Arlarthan Forest, non the overall game.
But yes, even the game will likely have dark and grim areas (as some screenshots highlighted already), Inquisition already have a variety of environments, going from colourful to dark.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 19, 2024 18:18:24 GMT
That article praises the art style changing from grim-dark to whimsical Fable-esque. That already happened with Inquisition and to a degree Dragon Age II, I do not think it praiseworthy, the opposite as it is far from a unique look especially today. Oversaturation of colour both literal and figurative has become a blight upon the industry in ways the Darkspawn could only dream of. Which is something I prefer far more than the sepia tone (to not call it something worse) that was popular back when they released DAO. Give me nice colors and nice contrasts, any day of the week - they'll age better too. Same with the style.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 19, 2024 18:21:39 GMT
I would love a Griffin feeding mechanic. Maybe we can assign Solas to Griffin feeding and litterbox cleaning while we're out on missions? I think for most of DAVe he will likely be just a disembodied voice ...Although it would be kinda hilarious if the Lighthouse itself was... alive in some sense, like - things can move, creak, disappear, etc. Not necessarily thing directly linked to Solas, but one that is nevertheless loyal to him (and I know how it can be done - spirits can posses objects too, and we know that Solas is surrounded by spirits that like him) So you're trying to sit on his favorite chair and then whoop! - it moves away just as you're trying to sit on it. You want to take his diary from a nighstand? BAM! - the drawer shuts and you're left with sore fingers. That all would be pretty hilarious! I wouldn't mind a little Larianesque comedy. Not a lot. Just a little.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 19, 2024 18:24:09 GMT
I'd rather it not look like a Souls game or Bloodbourne or something like that. Sometimes things are more horrifying when they happen in cheery, colorful places. When it's dark and grim it can kill the surprise of evil.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 19, 2024 18:24:39 GMT
Wait what? Solas will be in our head like some uncool Johnny Silverhand? Oh dear I hope not.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 19, 2024 18:34:20 GMT
So you're trying to sit on his favorite chair and then whoop! - it moves away just as you're trying to sit on it. You want to take his diary from a nighstand? BAM! - the drawer shuts and you're left with sore fingers. That all would be pretty hilarious! I wouldn't mind a little Larianesque comedy. Not a lot. Just a little. Oh dear Lord, I've had an even worse thought. What if he can listen in on our "intimate" moments? Or starts to give advice about Fade sex. That's going to be a real passion killer for me. I'm definitely going to ask for PRIVATE quarters.
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