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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 19, 2024 20:27:01 GMT
He better not be, I still have SAM PTSD... Solas in dreams I can get behind but please no voice in Rook's head. Silverhand was fun but that was a completely different scenario. Hmmm... considering that we have hints that we may see Solas from times he was young - what if Rook involuntarily pries into Solas' head? YES PLEASE!
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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2024 20:28:54 GMT
Rook is Harry Potter confirmed.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 19, 2024 20:30:43 GMT
Hmmm... considering that we have hints that we may see Solas from times he was young - what if Rook involuntarily pries into Solas' head? YES PLEASE! I mean, it sorta-kinda happened in Inquisition already - remember how Solas and Inky have a scene that turns out to be in a dream? From dialogue they have it's quite apparent that it's Inquisitor that's found Solas in his little dream Fade space, and not the other way around.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 19, 2024 20:56:21 GMT
He better not be, I still have SAM PTSD... Solas in dreams I can get behind but please no voice in Rook's head. Silverhand was fun but that was a completely different scenario. Hmmm... considering that we have hints that we may see Solas from times he was young - what if Rook involuntarily pries into Solas' head? I could just be an old self-portrait Solas made in the past we get to see around the Lighthouse.
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Post by biggydx on Jun 19, 2024 22:42:34 GMT
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Post by phoray on Jun 20, 2024 0:22:48 GMT
Bellara can make a rune that changes Rook's ice spell (So, Rook can use ice magic too) to electric attacks for fighting demons. Make a rune? Is she part Sandal? The Tranquil make runes all the time, so did Dagna. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by phoray on Jun 20, 2024 0:46:36 GMT
Reznore @hanako We better be able to select "ignore Solas' with Silence." Or "tell Solas to shut up and we don't need him" as options to reply with when he auto dialogues into our head. Edit: oh, so Solas will be like the Dream Visitor in BG3? We could be distrustful of the Dream Visitor
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Post by eaglepursuit on Jun 20, 2024 0:53:34 GMT
Okay, so we know that Solas will appear to Rook in their dreams. We've also seen it mentioned that we will somehow see a version of Solas with hair.
Soooo... Might Solas show Rook visions of his past? And if so, perhaps it's through these visions that we see our Inquisitors and other DAI companions? They don't actually show up, it's just flashbacks?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 1:02:10 GMT
Okay, so we know that Solas will appear to Rook in their dreams. We've also seen it mentioned that we will somehow see a version of Solas with hair. Soooo... Might Solas show Rook visions of his past? And if so, perhaps it's through these visions that we see our Inquisitors and other DAI companions? They don't actually show up, it's just flashbacks? I definitely think we’ll see the past in visions like that. Probably be to make Silas more morally grey where a Rook could choose Redeem instead of only Stop. At the Q&A, BioWare said the Inquisitor will show up in the flesh and play a part in the story since their story and Solas’s are tied together. Plus they know how attached players are to their Inkys. So I don’t think they’ll just be in past dreams like that. At the very least they’ll be at the final confrontation with Solas I bet.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 1:05:09 GMT
Okay, so we know that Solas will appear to Rook in their dreams. We've also seen it mentioned that we will somehow see a version of Solas with hair. Soooo... Might Solas show Rook visions of his past? And if so, perhaps it's through these visions that we see our Inquisitors and other DAI companions? They don't actually show up, it's just flashbacks? It's one of potential routes, but member how (during "Here Lies The Abyss" in DAI) Inquisitor restores their own memories of events by literally touching them in the Fade? Those may be flashbacks, but - given that we already know we'll be spending quite some time in the Fade, and with our base of operations literally being in the Fade - we may see events revolving around Solas (or Inquisitor, or Evanuris, or whomever) through the Fade itself, without anyone's involvement. In any case... how often do you folks think we may see the Inquisitor in DAVe, in flashbacks or in person?
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 20, 2024 1:09:46 GMT
I wasn't thrilled to find such mega-spoilers in the article. If the writer had been a big fan, I believe the article would've been very different. In his mind, this is something that happens early in the game, so no big deal. 😄
I do think it's a cool way to keep Solas involved throughout the story. Love him or hate him, he's an awesome character. I can't wait to see more of his past. He lived so many events about which every fan would love to learn the truth. I look forward to spending more time with him, and finally learning some long hidden truths, through this novel relationship and the broader story.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 1:12:41 GMT
I wasn't thrilled to find such mega-spoilers in the article. If the writer had been a big fan, I believe the article would've been very different. I do think it's a cool way to keep Solas involved throughout the story. Love him or hate him, he's an awesome character. I can't wait to see more of his past. He lived so many events about which every fan would love to learn the truth. I look forward to spending more time with him, and finally learning some long hidden truths, through this novel relationship and the broader story. Would it be the truth though, since the Fade is shaped by the person? Like how Ostsgar parts of the Fade show Loghain as a black-hearted villain while other parts show him in a more sympathetic light. Personally I’m glad that was revealed now. Let’s me vent about it now instead of during the game harming my enjoyment.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2024 1:30:22 GMT
Okay, so we know that Solas will appear to Rook in their dreams. We've also seen it mentioned that we will somehow see a version of Solas with hair. Soooo... Might Solas show Rook visions of his past? And if so, perhaps it's through these visions that we see our Inquisitors and other DAI companions? They don't actually show up, it's just flashbacks? It's one of the optional routes, but member how (during "Here Lies The Abyss" in DAI) Inquisitor restores their own memories of events by literally touching them in the Fade? Those may be flashbacks, but - given that we already know we'll be spending quite some time in the Fade, and with our base of operations literally being in the Fade - we may see events revolving around Solas (or Inquisitor, or Evanuris, or whomever) through the Fade itself, without anyone's involvement. In any case... how often do you folks think we may see the Inquisitor in DAVe, in flashbacks or in person? It really depends on how much they value and want to include their involvement vs how much resource they put into it. On the one hand the fact that, with the added complication of the Inquisitor having to bring back 4 voice actors in addition to Rooks 4 voice actors, it might suggest that they wouldn't do it unless they had a significant idea in mind for story involvement. Of course on the other hand those complications might make their involvement a relative cameo to considering the challenges of bringing the Inquisitor forward might preclude them having a significant role. So I guess from this perspective I am either hot or cold on them. About the whole spoiler thing the more I think about it the more it is genuinely hyping me for the game. I just cannot wait and really expect Solas's role to be more like TIM in ME 2 and not SAM. Someone who is of morally gray caliber, someone whose plans tend to fail spectacularly on their own or because of the protagonist's involvement, and someone who is going to now essentially be a central figure in giving us intelligence and missions...at least potentially. And TIM in ME 2 still remains one of my favorite BioWare things ever so I am really looking forward to this.
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Post by xerrai on Jun 20, 2024 2:22:34 GMT
I wasn't thrilled to find such mega-spoilers in the article. If the writer had been a big fan, I believe the article would've been very different. I do think it's a cool way to keep Solas involved throughout the story. Love him or hate him, he's an awesome character. I can't wait to see more of his past. He lived so many events about which every fan would love to learn the truth. I look forward to spending more time with him, and finally learning some long hidden truths, through this novel relationship and the broader story. Would it be the truth though, since the Fade is shaped by the person? Like how Ostsgar parts of the Fade show Loghain as a black-hearted villain while other parts show him in a more sympathetic light. Personally I’m glad that was revealed now. Let’s me vent about it now instead of during the game harming my enjoyment. I do wonder how exactly it will be implemented. That whole 'shimmering silhouette' thing from DAI's base game was pretty disappointing, but the DLCs were marginally better since it came with larger and more personal audio and codex logs after interacting with green balls of light, mosaics, and spirits. Not visually stunning, but it wasn't too intrusive either. If I had to pick, Jaws of Hakkon had the better approach with the voice line approach. But I will have very mixed feelings if details about the ancient past are relayed almost solely through a series of Solas-centric cutscenes. Solas will have his time to shine, i'm sure, but I really would like to learn a few things from people other than Solas now that I know that it is possible--especially in this setting.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 2:32:02 GMT
Would it be the truth though, since the Fade is shaped by the person? Like how Ostsgar parts of the Fade show Loghain as a black-hearted villain while other parts show him in a more sympathetic light. Personally I’m glad that was revealed now. Let’s me vent about it now instead of during the game harming my enjoyment. I do wonder how exactly it will be implemented. That whole 'shimmering silhouette' thing from DAI's base game was pretty disappointing, but the DLCs were marginally better since it came with larger and more personal audio and codex logs after interacting with green balls of light, mosaics, and spirits. Not visually stunning, but it wasn't too intrusive either. If I had to pick, Jaws of Hakkon had the better approach with the voice line approach. But I will have very mixed feelings if details about the ancient past are relayed almost solely through a series of Solas-centric cutscenes. Solas will have his time to shine, i'm sure, but I really would like to learn a few things from people other than Solas now that I know that it is possible--especially in this setting. I don't think everything we'll learn about the deep past will be mostly Solas-centric - Trespasser was in large part about him, but a lot of materials and memories we've found were not; they were about the world he came from. Given that the devs mentioned several times that Trespasser is a showcase of how a lot of DA4 will be, I therefore don't assume that all we'd see from ancient past will be relayed through Solas, or focused on him, specifically. If anything, materials and memories separate from him will allow people to verify his recounting of events and claims (same as Trespasser), as - as we know - he's a controversial figure, and not everyone is willing to believe anything he says ;P
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Post by coldwetn0se on Jun 20, 2024 3:24:26 GMT
I'm curious if we get new dialogue with our companions if we choose a specialization that aligns with theirs. I think Inquisition did this, but I know the tutors were brought in from outside the organization. "I am your Trainer."
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jun 20, 2024 4:03:11 GMT
I'm curious if we get new dialogue with our companions if we choose a specialization that aligns with theirs. I think Inquisition did this, but I know the tutors were brought in from outside the organization. "I am your Trainer." That NPC is easily one of my favorite characters in video games. I nearly always chose Rift Mage for a specialization just so I could talk to her as much as possible.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 4:48:51 GMT
I do wonder how exactly it will be implemented. That whole 'shimmering silhouette' thing from DAI's base game was pretty disappointing, but the DLCs were marginally better since it came with larger and more personal audio and codex logs after interacting with green balls of light, mosaics, and spirits. Not visually stunning, but it wasn't too intrusive either. If I had to pick, Jaws of Hakkon had the better approach with the voice line approach. But I will have very mixed feelings if details about the ancient past are relayed almost solely through a series of Solas-centric cutscenes. Solas will have his time to shine, i'm sure, but I really would like to learn a few things from people other than Solas now that I know that it is possible--especially in this setting. I don't think everything we'll learn about the deep past will be mostly Solas-centric - Trespasser was in large part about him, but a lot of materials and memories we've found were not; they were about the world he came from. Given that the devs mentioned several times that Trespasser is a showcase of how a lot of DA4 will be, I therefore don't assume that all we'd see from ancient past will be relayed through Solas, or focused on him, specifically. If anything, materials and memories separate from him will allow people to verify his recounting of events and claims (same as Trespasser), as - as we know - he's a controversial figure, and not everyone is willing to believe anything he says ;P Personally I would love if it were done like the Terminals in Halo, where each gives us a cutscene. Have some be from a Solas perspective making him more nuanced, have some from an Evanuris perspective giving us more insight and nuance in them, and then some from a third party’s perspective that doesn’t lean towards either side. As for not trusting him, again it’s worked so far. I trust Merrill who has never lied to me over Solas who has done nothing but, and she says on multiple occasions not to trust a word out of him.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 20, 2024 4:59:01 GMT
I wasn't thrilled to find such mega-spoilers in the article. If the writer had been a big fan, I believe the article would've been very different. In his mind, this is something that happens early in the game, so no big deal. 😄 I do think it's a cool way to keep Solas involved throughout the story. Love him or hate him, he's an awesome character. I can't wait to see more of his past. He lived so many events about which every fan would love to learn the truth. I look forward to spending more time with him, and finally learning some long hidden truths, through this novel relationship and the broader story.
I was. About time I learned something about the game.
More "reveals" I suspect will come down the road. Bio is desperate to make this game a success. To counter the initial negative response to the Xbox Showcase trailer, Bio had to come forthh with information about the game. The GI article barely revealed anything. GI reps were not playing the game. Bio personnel did. They showed combat fluidity because they had practiced.... and more practice. I bet if GI reps played the game, their combat skills would be pitiful and GI would have printed it.. Now Bio couldn't have that!
There's lots we don't know about the game.... loot and possible grind. Must we talk to our companions to boost their skills? For example: If I don't like a character, I ignore her/him/it. This game may force me to chat everyone to boost the relationship to earn a point to be applied to that char for "upgrade" purposes.
Is a SPEEDRUN even possible with this game?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2024 5:03:34 GMT
I wasn't thrilled to find such mega-spoilers in the article. If the writer had been a big fan, I believe the article would've been very different. In his mind, this is something that happens early in the game, so no big deal. 😄 I do think it's a cool way to keep Solas involved throughout the story. Love him or hate him, he's an awesome character. I can't wait to see more of his past. He lived so many events about which every fan would love to learn the truth. I look forward to spending more time with him, and finally learning some long hidden truths, through this novel relationship and the broader story.
I was. About time I learned something about the game.
More "reveals" I suspect will come down the road. Bio is desperate to make this game a success. To counter the initial negative response to the Xbox Showcase trailer, Bio had to come forthh with information about the game. The GI article barely revealed anything. GI reps were not playing the game. Bio personnel did. They showed combat fluidity because they had practiced.... and more practice. I bet if GI reps played the game, their combat skills would be pitiful and GI would have printed it.. Now Bio couldn't have that!
There's lots we don't know about the game.... loot and possible grind. Must we talk to our companions to boost their skills? For example: If I don't like a character, I ignore her/him/it. This game may force me to chat everyone to boost the relationship to earn a point to be applied to that char for "upgrade" purposes.
Is a SPEEDRUN even possible with this game?
the article mentioned they played the game just not the whole thing. And if you aren't talking to companions...why you even playing a bioware game? It's also likely they were making all these plans and doing the writing weeks or months ago.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 20, 2024 7:12:47 GMT
So Rook's not a special chosen one Cause Solas beaming into their dreams every night feels very special chosen one esque. Why isn't that annoying egghead beaming into harding's dreams instead
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 20, 2024 7:15:46 GMT
Also, that means he can corrupt someone among your group without you knowing when they dream...and he's good at that. It is possible to block him if you know how, which any of our mages might. Neve is from Tevinter where Adralla was from who created the Litany of Adralla we used in DAO to block possession, so likely something similar can block possession or killing you through your dreams. Emmrich is a Mortalitasi who knows much about spirits and presumably how to block them. As for Bellara we have no idea her background but I imagine she can too. In Masked Empire it was said that Felassan knew both herbs that could keep him from dreaming and wards that would protect him when the herbs failed, but he chose to face the music and confront Solas, with fatal results. Rook is the only one where probably they can't be blocked because of their "special" connection with him.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2024 7:16:58 GMT
So Rook's not a special chosen one Cause Solas beaming into their dreams every night feels very special chosen one esque. Why isn't that annoying egghead beaming into harding's dreams instead Rook is the leader of the Veilguard and his blood got mixed. Which does expose the problem with the trope because 'chosen by what' all protagonists are chosen by someone/ thing just in usual connotation fate/ destiny plays a role, which does not seem to apply here but we'll see.
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Post by NotN7 on Jun 20, 2024 7:25:10 GMT
So Rook's not a special chosen one Cause Solas beaming into their dreams every night feels very special chosen one esque. Why isn't that annoying egghead beaming into harding's dreams instead LOL Thats easy dwarfs don't dream.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 20, 2024 7:49:28 GMT
Which does expose the problem with the trope because 'chosen by what' all protagonists are chosen by someone/ thing just in usual connotation fate/ destiny plays a role, which does not seem to apply here but we'll see. In Dragon Age, Flemeth/Mythal seems to have a lot to do with it. She admits she nudges people in the direction she wishes them to take. In DAO she rescued the Warden and Alistair from Ostagar in return for taking Morrigan with them; in DA2 she rescued Hawke and family in return for carrying her amulet to Sundermount. Hawke also had a connection by blood with Corypheus, which she may have known about and this prompted her choice. In DAI it is Flemeth who gives us the means to defeat Corypheus. I'm not entirely sure how she could have influenced the fate of Rook but I did suggest that perhaps she did some sort of subliminal messaging that got them to destroy the statues at that moment because she wanted those particular gods to be freed. Remember she wanted revenge that "would shake the very heavens". It is entirely possible she has now been given that opportunity because she is safe in the Fade inside Solas but in contact with Rook, who can now be nudged into doing her dirty work for her.
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