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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 20, 2024 9:56:33 GMT
If Mythal as a character isn't a HUGE part of DAV the game is DOA for me. I'm still super depressed Morrigan doesn't seem to be in the game. That already killed any hope I had for getting a great story. I know, I'm super biased. But I can't help feeling sad that this game won't even remotely be what I imagined.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2024 10:01:28 GMT
If Mythal as a character isn't a HUGE part of DAV the game is DOA for me. I'm still super depressed Morrigan doesn't seem to be in the game. That already killed any hope I had for getting a great story. I know, I'm super biased. But I can't help feeling sad that this game won't even remotely be what I imagined. I was just having these thoughts or along these lines. And really though, while I will always be dissapiunted by a lack of Claudia Black,if this game ends up being exactly like we expected...wouldn't that be boring? Like the story reveals some stuff I've called but I am far more excited by the stuff I didn't expect that they revealed.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 20, 2024 10:10:35 GMT
So Rook's not a special chosen one Cause Solas beaming into their dreams every night feels very special chosen one esque. Why isn't that annoying egghead beaming into harding's dreams instead LOL Thats easy dwarfs don't dream. Guess i'll have to play a dwarf to avoid those bald dreams
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 20, 2024 10:13:13 GMT
If Mythal as a character isn't a HUGE part of DAV the game is DOA for me. I'm still super depressed Morrigan doesn't seem to be in the game. That already killed any hope I had for getting a great story. I know, I'm super biased. But I can't help feeling sad that this game won't even remotely be what I imagined. I was just having these thoughts or along these lines. And really though, while I will always be dissapiunted by a lack of Claudia Black,if this game ends up being exactly like we expected...wouldn't that be boring? Like the story reveals some stuff I've called but I am far more excited by the stuff I didn't expect that they revealed. Exactly like I imagined, perhaps. But I've always wanted Morrigan to be the ultimate hero of the story, the one groomed by her vengeful mother, distrusted by everyone. But in the end the one who brings about the best possible future. It was all set up so beautifully, especially in DAI. If this all goes nowhere I don't care for Dragon Aged anymore tbh. I can enjoy a good story even if it's not what I imagined. But Morrigan's character arc in DAI was my favorite thing in all of Dragon Age, so you might understand how much the news that Claudia Black did no work for DAV crushed me. Mind you, this could still happen if DAV decides to pull a ME2 and put the endgame on hold until the next game. The way Solas gets trapped in the Fade, they could postpone the decision about what to do with the veil indefinitely. So I guess there is hope. But I have little at this point.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2024 10:30:02 GMT
I was just having these thoughts or along these lines. And really though, while I will always be dissapiunted by a lack of Claudia Black,if this game ends up being exactly like we expected...wouldn't that be boring? Like the story reveals some stuff I've called but I am far more excited by the stuff I didn't expect that they revealed. Exactly like I imagined, perhaps. But I've always wanted Morrigan to be the ultimate hero of the story, the one groomed by her vengeful mother, distrusted by everyone. But in the end the one who brings about the best possible future. It was all set up so beautifully, especially in DAI. If this all goes nowhere I don't care for Dragon Aged anymore tbh. I can enjoy a good story even if it's not what I imagined. But Morrigan's character arc in DAI was my favorite thing in all of Dragon Age, so you might understand how much the news that Claudia Black did no work for DAV crushed me. Mind you, this could still happen if DAV decides to pull a ME2 and put the endgame on hold until the next game. The way Solas gets trapped in the Fade, they could postpone the decision about what to do with the veil indefinitely. So I guess there is hope. But I have little at this point. I can get thinking morrigans arc is amazing in Inquisition because it is... But I never considered her the hero because she has never been. Morrigan thematically is one of the most important elements in the game series...but given the nature of industry fiction in general and DA specifically those themes can be continued by others. Writers may leave. Actors may age or price themselves out of Biowares ability to employ them and I will miss them dearly, but the story goes on.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 20, 2024 10:42:12 GMT
Mind you, this could still happen if DAV decides to pull a ME2 and put the endgame on hold until the next game. The way Solas gets trapped in the Fade, they could postpone the decision about what to do with the veil indefinitely. So I guess there is hope. But I have little at this point. There is no indication at all that BioWare plan for Veilguard to be the last game in the series. They were already talking vaguely about Dragon Age 5 before Inquisition came out.
Unlike Mass Effect, there was never a time at which Dragon Age was meant to be a story with a set endpoint. I expect that they will wrap up things with Solas (since there was a planning stage where Inquisition and Veilguard were meant to be the same game) but the series is intentionally open-ended. There will be plot threads left unresolved to be dealt with in future games. Hell, I expect the same to be true of DA5 if it gets made.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2024 10:46:54 GMT
Mind you, this could still happen if DAV decides to pull a ME2 and put the endgame on hold until the next game. The way Solas gets trapped in the Fade, they could postpone the decision about what to do with the veil indefinitely. So I guess there is hope. But I have little at this point. There is no indication at all that BioWare plan for Veilguard to be the last game in the series. They were already talking vaguely about Dragon Age 5 before Inquisition came out.
Unlike Mass Effect, there was never a time at which Dragon Age was meant to be a story with a set endpoint. I expect that they will wrap up things with Solas (since there was a planning stage where Inquisition and Veilguard were meant to be the same game) but the series is intentionally open-ended. There will be plot threads left unresolved to be dealt with in future games. Hell, I expect the same to be true of DA5 if it gets made.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 20, 2024 11:13:50 GMT
There is no indication at all that BioWare plan for Veilguard to be the last game in the series. They were already talking vaguely about Dragon Age 5 before Inquisition came out.
Unlike Mass Effect, there was never a time at which Dragon Age was meant to be a story with a set endpoint. I expect that they will wrap up things with Solas (since there was a planning stage where Inquisition and Veilguard were meant to be the same game) but the series is intentionally open-ended. There will be plot threads left unresolved to be dealt with in future games. Hell, I expect the same to be true of DA5 if it gets made. I know. *I* want DA to "end" sooner than later. At least the whole blight and elven gods and what to do with the veil business. That was the central mystery and overarching plot to me. The veil is potentially the kind of game stopper like the choice at the end of ME3. So unless BioWare aims at a kind of synthesis ending and take it from there, I guess they can't resolve this. So maybe there never will be a choice to bring it down with Solas. I guess it will just stay up, Solas will be "yeah my bad", and DA will tell other stories. To me that's just not satisfying storytelling and more like The Walking Dead where stuff just goes on and on without any real direction and destination. I'd frankly hate that. It's just that the blight and the gods were such central elements of the entire world building that I'm fine just wrapping this up and moving on to a new franchise. OR tell smaller stories again. I always wanted them to tell all kinds of little stories in the Mass Effect universe to flesh out the lore. Visit home planets, play a non human. They could have done anything but instead they gave us Andromeda, another apocalyptic story except muss less compelling. Did not like. But at least the reaper plot was done so I honestly couldn't care less if future storylines sucked. I got my amazing trilogy journey. I want the same for DA. Just deal with the gods, all gods, end the blight, "save" Thedas and then I'm content. Seriously, I can't be the only one who expected this to be a coherent story with an ending at some point?? Yes, DA is different from ME. It was never about one person, it was more about the world of Thedas. About many heroes. I get that and it's fine. But to me it was ALSO an actual story about stopping the blight. And since DAI also about the fade and how to merge both worlds or not. To me DAI hinted at the old gods and the elven gods being the same, so defeating the evanuris could also then be a neat way to wrap up the threat of the blight. Everything came together wonderfully in DAI. I was under the impression things are really focused now and moving towards a climax here. DAV didn't need to be the final game but maybe DA5? You cannot have amazing storytelling if you don't have an end goal. Narrative threads have to lead somewhere. Stories need a beginning, a middle and an end. It's fine if DAV is the middle still. I don't personally like the idea of waiting another 10 for this story to complete only to have BioWare shut down and nothing gets resolved. But fair enough. If they planned a five games arc that's fine. If DA is just an open ended franchise with dangling storylines to be picked up at random, then it's a way inferior franchise than Mass Effect for lacking an actual gripping story arc that ENDS. Sorry for the rant...
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2024 11:28:22 GMT
There is no indication at all that BioWare plan for Veilguard to be the last game in the series. They were already talking vaguely about Dragon Age 5 before Inquisition came out.
Unlike Mass Effect, there was never a time at which Dragon Age was meant to be a story with a set endpoint. I expect that they will wrap up things with Solas (since there was a planning stage where Inquisition and Veilguard were meant to be the same game) but the series is intentionally open-ended. There will be plot threads left unresolved to be dealt with in future games. Hell, I expect the same to be true of DA5 if it gets made. I know. *I* want DA to "end" sooner than later. At least the whole blight and elven gods and what to do with the veil business. That was the central mystery and overarching plot to me. The veil is potentially the kind of game stopper like the choice at the end of ME3. So unless BioWare aims at a kind of synthesis ending and take it from there, I guess they can't resolve this. So maybe there never will be a choice to bring it down with Solas. I guess it will just stay up, Solas will be "yeah my bad", and DA will tell other stories. To me that's just not satisfying storytelling and more like The Walking Dead where stuff just goes on and on without any real direction and destination. I'd frankly hate that. It's just that the blight and the gods were such central elements of the entire world building that I'm fine just wrapping this up and moving on to a new franchise. OR tell smaller stories again. I always wanted them to tell all kinds of little stories in the Mass Effect universe to flesh out the lore. Visit home planets, play a non human. They could have done anything but instead they gave us Andromeda, another apocalyptic story except muss less compelling. Did not like. But at least the reaper plot was done so I honestly couldn't care less if future storylines sucked. I got my amazing trilogy journey. I want the same for DA. Just deal with the gods, all gods, end the blight, "save" Thedas and then I'm content. Seriously, I can't be the only one who expected this to be a coherent story with an ending at some point?? Yes, DA is different from ME. It was never about one person, it was more about the world of Thedas. About many heroes. I get that and it's fine. But to me it was ALSO an actual story about stopping the blight. And since DAI also about the fade and how to merge both worlds or not. To me DAI hinted at the old gods and the elven gods being the same, so defeating the evanuris could also then be a neat way to wrap up the threat of the blight. Everything came together wonderfully in DAI. I was under the impression things are really focused now and moving towards a climax here. DAV didn't need to be the final game but maybe DA5? You cannot have amazing storytelling if you don't have an end goal. Narrative threads have to lead somewhere. Stories need a beginning, a middle and an end. It's fine if DAV is the middle still. I don't personally like the idea of waiting another 10 for this story to complete only to have BioWare shut down and nothing gets resolved. But fair enough. If they planned a five games arc that's fine. If DA is just an open ended franchise with dangling storylines to be picked up at random, then it's a way inferior franchise than Mass Effect for lacking an actual gripping story arc that ENDS. Sorry for the rant... Thing is even MEs ending was fairly open ended which a lot of people complained about to at the time. Starkid saying 'but what about another story about the Shepard?' What was up with the Leviathans? The rather horrible implications behind Synthesis and the other endings? What was up with the planet the Normandy crash landed on? What was going to happen with the rest of the forces trapped in the Solar System...which then was answered about the repairs to the relay network but what about the efforts to rebuild after the war? All of these are plot threads that the games could pull on and expand on for future games. Which, at least for me, is a favorite aspect of Modern fiction because series can ends...99% of their plot lines can be wrapped up. Happened with B5 and should happen with DA, but then there is that 1% that can be left dangling if a writer or if someone else wants to revisit and pull. And its amazing. So yeah these threads may get wrapped up, I actually expect given a few theories buzzing around I think a lot of stuff will be wrapped up in Veilguard. But there will always be another unanswered threat, another unanswered question, which can just be pulled on for future games.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 20, 2024 11:38:46 GMT
Thing is even MEs ending was fairly open ended which a lot of people complained about to at the time. Starkid saying 'but what about another story about the Shepard?' What was up with the Leviathans? The rather horrible implications behind Synthesis and the other endings? What was up with the planet the Normandy crash landed on? What was going to happen with the rest of the forces trapped in the Solar System...which then was answered about the repairs to the relay network but what about the efforts to rebuild after the war? All of these are plot threads that the games could pull on and expand on for future games. Which, at least for me, is a favorite aspect of Modern fiction because series can ends...99% of their plot lines can be wrapped up. Happened with B5 and should happen with DA, but then there is that 1% that can be left dangling if a writer or if someone else wants to revisit and pull. And its amazing. So yeah these threads may get wrapped up, I actually expect given a few theories buzzing around I think a lot of stuff will be wrapped up in Veilguard. But there will always be another unanswered threat, another unanswered question, which can just be pulled on for future games. Yeah that is fine. I always wanted a direct sequel to the trilogy dealing with the horrible aftermath of the reaper war that should lead to mass starvation now that the replays are gone and new sllianiand shifting power. A friend wrote the perfect fanfiction ("Reaper Dreams") so I basically got this already so it's not a high priority anymore. It's fine to revisit a setting. I'm just really really tired of waiting an eternity for another DA game that may or may not be worth it to advance that overarching plot an inch. I just want it all wrapped up. BioWare doesn't have forever to wrap this up. I did not sign up to wait like 20 years for a conclusion to the central mysteries.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 20, 2024 11:47:21 GMT
So Rook's not a special chosen one Cause Solas beaming into their dreams every night feels very special chosen one esque. Why isn't that annoying egghead beaming into harding's dreams instead The expression "connected to the Fade" is how the lore explain the difference between a mage and a none-mage since DAO. Entities in the Fade talking to mages in their dreams is one of the earliest thing you learn about mages in DAO.
It's basic setting lore and seeing so many acting like it's something special just makes me .
The big take here isn't Solas talking to Rook in their dreams. It's that Rook, regardless of lineage or class, technically become mage in-settings. Harding too, BioWare had already announced she was getting magical powers, now we know how.
And if Solas can communicate pass the prolog, he can talk to any mage dreaming he can find in the Fade, not just Rook. He was already using the Fade to talk to his pawns before DAI events...and also murder people while they dream from time to time.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 12:09:36 GMT
So Rook's not a special chosen one Cause Solas beaming into their dreams every night feels very special chosen one esque. Why isn't that annoying egghead beaming into harding's dreams instead The expression "connected to the Fade" is how the lore explain the difference between a mage and a none-mage since DAO. Entities in the Fade talking to mages in their dreams is one of the earliest thing you learn about mages in DAO.
It's basic setting lore and seeing so many acting like it's something special just makes me .
The big take here isn't Solas talking to Rook in their dreams. It's that Rook, regardless of lineage or class, technically become mage in-settings. Harding too, BioWare had already announced she was getting magical powers, now we know how.
And if Solas can communicate pass the prolog, he can talk to any mage dreaming he can find in the Fade, not just Rook. He was already using the Fade to talk to his pawns before DAI events...and also murder people while they dream from time to time. That is not a given - Rook has been connected to the Fade through specific circumstances, namely: disrupting Solas' big ritual. So while Solas is a Dreamer, and likely has an ability to track people when they dream and drift through the Fade, it's also quite likely that Rook may be bonded to Solas in a similar fashion Inquisitor was bonded to Solas via Anchor. However, given the existence of the Veil, and all the potential things that happened or will happen, we don't know just how well Rook themselves would be able to utilize that connection on their own.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 20, 2024 12:15:27 GMT
But to me it was ALSO an actual story about stopping the blight You are right. It was about stopping the blight. Back in the days the dev said: They were inspired by the 5 books of Moses. So for me it was allways a Series with 5 games. We are in the last half of the 3rd game. So DA:TV isn't the end of the story. 2 more games to come.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 20, 2024 12:21:09 GMT
He better not be, I still have SAM PTSD... Solas in dreams I can get behind but please no voice in Rook's head. Silverhand was fun but that was a completely different scenario. Hmmm... considering that we have hints that we may see Solas from times he was young - what if Rook involuntarily pries into Solas' head? If that were to happen all the main character would see are failures from Solas's past. I would also mess with the elf. Saying you're a failure, hahahaha. When's the last time anything went right for you? I hear your girlfriend is dating another elf. hahahaha. Is it true the Inq punched you? I have to say I like Varric calling you chuckles, though I would call you loser.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 20, 2024 12:26:22 GMT
I wasn't thrilled to find such mega-spoilers in the article. If the writer had been a big fan, I believe the article would've been very different. I do think it's a cool way to keep Solas involved throughout the story. Love him or hate him, he's an awesome character. I can't wait to see more of his past. He lived so many events about which every fan would love to learn the truth. I look forward to spending more time with him, and finally learning some long hidden truths, through this novel relationship and the broader story. Would it be the truth though, since the Fade is shaped by the person? Like how Ostsgar parts of the Fade show Loghain as a black-hearted villain while other parts show him in a more sympathetic light. Personally I’m glad that was revealed now. Let’s me vent about it now instead of during the game harming my enjoyment. I'm not talking about the truth according to the spirits of the Fade or even Solas. I mean the big revelations of lore we will finally enjoy.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 20, 2024 12:38:13 GMT
If Mythal as a character isn't a HUGE part of DAV the game is DOA for me. I'm still super depressed Morrigan doesn't seem to be in the game. That already killed any hope I had for getting a great story. I know, I'm super biased. But I can't help feeling sad that this game won't even remotely be what I imagined. I get the point about Morrigan, but I honestly thought Mythal's story was done in Inquisition. I do get that Flemeth/Mythal had a habit to come back, but the way she talked with Solas in the end it seems like she was content with dying and sacrificing herself for Solas' cause, as long as Morrigan gets access to her godhood. Now, in regards of later posts about Morrigan, I do think your idea about her being a central protagonist of the story is a bit subjective, and maybe not what Bioware ever envisioned for her, not in those terms (although it's completely fair you have it and it's not far-fetched), it'd seems weird that she isn't event present in a game where the Evanuris, and not only Solas, are a central part of the game, given who she is.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 20, 2024 12:58:33 GMT
I get the point about Morrigan, but I honestly thought Mythal's story was done in Inquisition. I do get that Flemeth/Mythal had a habit to come back, but the way she talked with Solas in the end it seems like she was content with dying and sacrificing herself for Solas' cause, as long as Morrigan gets access to her godhood. Now, in regards of later posts about Morrigan, I do think your idea about her being a central protagonist of the story is a bit subjective, and maybe not what Bioware ever envisioned for her, not in those terms (although it's completely fair you have it and it's not far-fetched), it'd seems weird that she isn't event present in a game where the Evanuris, and not only Solas, are a central part of the game, given who she is. Agreed on my view of Morrigan being subjective even if it's canon that Mythal had plans for her. So even if she isn't the secret hero of the story (that was always more of a dream scenario for me, I am aware), her story doesn't seem finished. Disagree on Mythal. She's been pulling the strings in the background for so long, planning her revenge. If it turns out that she is really done and gone and is fine letting Solas now execute her revenge, it would be disappointing to me. Especially if we also get no Morrigan. Mythal was obviously grooming her for SOMETHING. Sadly the intriguing old god baby storyline couldn't go anywhere because BioWare are dumbasses sometimes. But these characters are linked. And there HAS to be payoff for Mythal passing on her godhood, if that's what happened. She could also have preserved herself enough to be still alive inside Morrigan. Either way, Mythal is not done with Morrigan. So it seems logical that either Mythal as Morrigan or upgraded Morrigan still plays a part in this whole revenge scheme. Unless Mythal's plans for Morrigan were something else entirely and it comes back into play in DA5. Which is certainly a possibility. Still, no Morrigan and possibly no Mythal in any form in DAV is completely puzzling and shockingly disappointing for me. I love their disfunctional mysterious relationship. I also really enjoyed Morrigan and Solas arguing, they are much alike. They both think they're smarter than everyone else and got it all figured out and turns out that's far from the truth. So DAI in my mind set them up as rivals for the future of Thedas. But maybe I'm alone in this... I can't think of any good reason Morrigan wouldn't stick her nose into Solas' business again. So I hope BioWare has a GOOD explanation for it!
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 20, 2024 13:10:32 GMT
Anyway, sorry for derailing this thread with my personal misgivings! This is my second week on sick leave and I've had too much time against my better judgement to get excited again about things that were unlikely to happen to begin with. Sigh.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 20, 2024 13:24:57 GMT
If Mythal as a character isn't a HUGE part of DAV the game is DOA for me. I'm still super depressed Morrigan doesn't seem to be in the game. That already killed any hope I had for getting a great story. I know, I'm super biased. But I can't help feeling sad that this game won't even remotely be what I imagined. I get the point about Morrigan, but I honestly thought Mythal's story was done in Inquisition. I do get that Flemeth/Mythal had a habit to come back, but the way she talked with Solas in the end it seems like she was content with dying and sacrificing herself for Solas' cause, as long as Morrigan gets access to her godhood. Now, in regards of later posts about Morrigan, I do think your idea about her being a central protagonist of the story is a bit subjective, and maybe not what Bioware ever envisioned for her, not in those terms (although it's completely fair you have it and it's not far-fetched), it'd seems weird that she isn't event present in a game where the Evanuris, and not only Solas, are a central part of the game, given who she is. Solas might have turned her into stone in-between games in case his plan was going to take centuries.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 20, 2024 14:17:10 GMT
I haven't played these games since 2016, but I thought Flemeth clarified her intentions for Morrigan. Morrigan was going to be offered the opportunity to become the next vessel of Mythal. Morrigan chose a different path and wouldn't be forced to do anything.
Sure, more could be written, but it also seems a perfectly fine ending for her role in these events.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 14:26:08 GMT
Hmmm... considering that we have hints that we may see Solas from times he was young - what if Rook involuntarily pries into Solas' head? If that were to happen all the main character would see are failures from Solas's past. I would also mess with the elf. Saying you're a failure, hahahaha. When's the last time anything went right for you? I hear your girlfriend is dating another elf. hahahaha. Is it true the Inq punched you? I have to say I like Varric calling you chuckles, though I would call you loser. I mean, it would have been a very ironic thing indeed for someone who's been recruited by Inky and his agents to mock Solas as a failure, considering that the only reason Inky is alive in the first place and succeeded at anything is because Solas correctly asessed what should be a proper course of action to deal with this unexpected crisis, saved Inky's life, gave us his old quarters and was with us every step of the way ...Only to successfully save Inquisitor and Southern leadership from being exploded by the Qunari; a thing they didn't know was going on until Solas agent literally brought a dead qunari on their doorstep So um... yeah - the last time anything went right for him is when he saved our dumb asses. At least twice As for the past... I guess we'll see a lot of Solas "failing" aka - how he ultimately managed to stop 6 overpowered mage-kings (that we now know are blighted) from killing everything and everyone?
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 14:32:36 GMT
Agreed on my view of Morrigan being subjective even if it's canon that Mythal had plans for her. So even if she isn't the secret hero of the story (that was always more of a dream scenario for me, I am aware), her story doesn't seem finished. Disagree on Mythal. She's been pulling the strings in the background for so long, planning her revenge. If it turns out that she is really done and gone and is fine letting Solas now execute her revenge, it would be disappointing to me. Especially if we also get no Morrigan. Mythal was obviously grooming her for SOMETHING. Sadly the intriguing old god baby storyline couldn't go anywhere because BioWare are dumbasses sometimes. But these characters are linked. And there HAS to be payoff for Mythal passing on her godhood, if that's what happened. She could also have preserved herself enough to be still alive inside Morrigan. Either way, Mythal is not done with Morrigan. So it seems logical that either Mythal as Morrigan or upgraded Morrigan still plays a part in this whole revenge scheme. Unless Mythal's plans for Morrigan were something else entirely and it comes back into play in DA5. Which is certainly a possibility. Still, no Morrigan and possibly no Mythal in any form in DAV is completely puzzling and shockingly disappointing for me. I love their disfunctional mysterious relationship. I also really enjoyed Morrigan and Solas arguing, they are much alike. They both think they're smarter than everyone else and got it all figured out and turns out that's far from the truth. So DAI in my mind set them up as rivals for the future of Thedas. But maybe I'm alone in this... I can't think of any good reason Morrigan wouldn't stick her nose into Solas' business again. So I hope BioWare has a GOOD explanation for it! I agree with others that said that DA isn't going to end with DAVe, even if well see a conclusion to some big story arcs - so the fact Mythal/Morrigan isn't there doesn't mean they won't pop up at some other time. Although, of course, there's no way of telling if they aren't going to be in DAVe, only in some other form. We will likely spend a lot of time exploring the ever-shifting Fade after all.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 20, 2024 14:38:39 GMT
So um... yeah - the last time anything went right for him is when he saved our dumb asses. At least twice That only happen's because his plan backfired. Remember him having his minion's lead Cory to the location of his orb? Remember how the result he wanted backfired? No matter how you word it, Solas is responsible, no matter how indirect, for what happens.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 20, 2024 14:44:42 GMT
Agreed on my view of Morrigan being subjective even if it's canon that Mythal had plans for her. So even if she isn't the secret hero of the story (that was always more of a dream scenario for me, I am aware), her story doesn't seem finished. Disagree on Mythal. She's been pulling the strings in the background for so long, planning her revenge. If it turns out that she is really done and gone and is fine letting Solas now execute her revenge, it would be disappointing to me. Especially if we also get no Morrigan. Mythal was obviously grooming her for SOMETHING. Sadly the intriguing old god baby storyline couldn't go anywhere because BioWare are dumbasses sometimes. But these characters are linked. And there HAS to be payoff for Mythal passing on her godhood, if that's what happened. She could also have preserved herself enough to be still alive inside Morrigan. Either way, Mythal is not done with Morrigan. So it seems logical that either Mythal as Morrigan or upgraded Morrigan still plays a part in this whole revenge scheme. Unless Mythal's plans for Morrigan were something else entirely and it comes back into play in DA5. Which is certainly a possibility. Still, no Morrigan and possibly no Mythal in any form in DAV is completely puzzling and shockingly disappointing for me. I love their disfunctional mysterious relationship. I also really enjoyed Morrigan and Solas arguing, they are much alike. They both think they're smarter than everyone else and got it all figured out and turns out that's far from the truth. So DAI in my mind set them up as rivals for the future of Thedas. But maybe I'm alone in this... I can't think of any good reason Morrigan wouldn't stick her nose into Solas' business again. So I hope BioWare has a GOOD explanation for it! I agree with others that said that DA isn't going to end with DAVe, even if well see a conclusion to some big story arcs - so the fact Mythal/Morrigan isn't there doesn't mean they won't pop up at some other time. Although, of course, there's no way of telling if they aren't going to be in DAVe, only in some other form. We will likely spend a lot of time exploring the ever-shifting Fade after all. Yeah ther's als othe possibility of DLC if the game doesreall ywell. so tha topens up extra possibilities. I don' tthin k they'll b ethinking DLC ye t as I don't thin kthey'l wantto jump th egun as that'll likel ydepen on ho wthe game is recieved when i tdoes launch. Bu tthere' salways th echance the yma yd osome cool things there
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 14:44:59 GMT
So um... yeah - the last time anything went right for him is when he saved our dumb asses. At least twice That only happen's because his plan backfired. Remember him having his minion's lead Cory to the location of his orb? Remember how the result he wanted backfired? No matter how you word it, Solas is responsible, no matter how indirect, for what happens. And when his plan backfired he immediately focused finding a solution to put that fire away. And he succeeded - no matter how you look at it, this was a success he's had a direct hand in. Call me strange, but I actually think this is a much more important quality than pulling off a flawless initial plan - to not lose one's head and come up with a successful solution to a sudden, unexpected problem or a snag: a thing that is bound to happen at any time, especially if someone is trying to pull off an extremely complex plan or fighting great odds.
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