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Post by azarhal on Jun 20, 2024 20:36:46 GMT
I don't wanna build another relationship with Solas. I went the full friendship, betrayal, standing there armless listening to his b***shit. I want to put him on my fade dream blocklist. Thanks. My only hope here is that "...who hate Solas, people who want to kick Solas off of a building – I think that we give you the opportunity to bring that to a close,.." and "The most interesting villains to myself, and honestly most people, are not just straight up, 'I want to end the world.' To them, they are the heroes of the story, and Solas is no exception," means the game is not going to spend hours trying to make me believe Solas isn't the villain and he's just another TIM I can shove to the side.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2024 20:43:10 GMT
I don't wanna build another relationship with Solas. I went the full friendship, betrayal, standing there armless listening to his b***shit. I want to put him on my fade dream blocklist. Thanks. My only hope here is that "...who hate Solas, people who want to kick Solas off of a building – I think that we give you the opportunity to bring that to a close,.." and "The most interesting villains to myself, and honestly most people, are not just straight up, 'I want to end the world.' To them, they are the heroes of the story, and Solas is no exception," means the game is not going to spend hours trying to make me believe Solas isn't the villain and he's just another TIM I can shove to the side.
I don't think there is much danger of that. He'll give his perspective but he's still the antagonist.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 20:49:25 GMT
Trying to force some kind of a connection between Solas and the new protagonist was of course expected but I don't know about... '' Solas sees much of himself in you '' uhhhhhhhhhh right. Okay. Not really sure about that, especially since I doubt that Rook is going to be wildly different from the Inquisitor. Which is a funny remark, given that Inquisitor and Solas are effectively counterparts In Trespasser Solas basically tells us that he and Inquisitor are quite alike - and maybe Inquisitor will also chose Rook based on qualities they think are important when dealing with Solas, which they themselves possess. Anyway, I have many hypotheses about how this could play out - be it for Inquisitor, or Rook or both.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 20, 2024 20:52:55 GMT
In Inquisition, Trespasser or books like Tevinter Nights we've had a wealth of material that was unrelated to and separate from Solas (ancient documents, memories, inscriptions, NPCs, etc.) with which we could verify his claims about the Fade or ancient past - I don't believe, for example, that elven gods were an extremely suspicious bunch just because Solas insist they are, but because e.g. we can find ancient evidence of Evanuris being despotic and flippant, or very unsettling, like in case of Ghilan'nain. In any case, I don't believe the story will unfold only based on someone telling us what happened - we'll be likely spending a lot of time in the Fade and among ancient ruins, piecing a lot of things ourselves. As we usually do in DA. I do actually largely believe Solas with regard to the Evanuris being grade A A*holes since we have plenty of substantiating info to support it...was more referring to his nature as manipulating the Evanuris and Forgotten ones. I think you're like right about the Fade and ancient ruins and whatnot...question I have is how much should we trust that...with Solas being an expert of the Fade and a dreamer could he not shape some of that to his own ends? Just something to keep in mind. Of course like most of us around her I'll do a multitude of playthroughs and every variation I can, it's only that my idea endgame world state (if I can get it) is elimination of all the Evanuris and very likely the Forgotten Ones as well...too powerful and too dangerous to have around. Then we can go back to worrying about little things like mage abominations, towers and Templars.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 20, 2024 20:56:26 GMT
My only hope here is that "...who hate Solas, people who want to kick Solas off of a building – I think that we give you the opportunity to bring that to a close,.." and "The most interesting villains to myself, and honestly most people, are not just straight up, 'I want to end the world.' To them, they are the heroes of the story, and Solas is no exception," means the game is not going to spend hours trying to make me believe Solas isn't the villain and he's just another TIM I can shove to the side.
I don't think there is much danger of that. He'll give his perspective but he's still the antagonist. Yeah I think he's still th eantagonist and even i fhe get strapped in the fad ewill tr ytomanipulate us t od owha th ewants somehow. Sols ais not as innocen tas some would wantt owis hhim t obe. H ema yb epowerful bu ti twould still b ewise t obe war yo fhim after all h etricked his fellow gods t og obac kint othei rrealm sjus tt o lock them up using the veil. Maybe i twa sfo rthe best maybe not. Bu tth efac the was manipulativ eenough t ortick them means we shoul db ecarefu ls oas t onot fall in the sam etrap.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 20, 2024 21:01:21 GMT
In Inquisition, Trespasser or books like Tevinter Nights we've had a wealth of material that was unrelated to and separate from Solas (ancient documents, memories, inscriptions, NPCs, etc.) with which we could verify his claims about the Fade or ancient past - I don't believe, for example, that elven gods were an extremely suspicious bunch just because Solas insist they are, but because e.g. we can find ancient evidence of Evanuris being despotic and flippant, or very unsettling, like in case of Ghilan'nain. In any case, I don't believe the story will unfold only based on someone telling us what happened - we'll be likely spending a lot of time in the Fade and among ancient ruins, piecing a lot of things ourselves. As we usually do in DA. I do actually largely believe Solas with regard to the Evanuris being grade A A*holes since we have plenty of substantiating info to support it...was more referring to his nature as manipulating the Evanuris and Forgotten ones. I think you're like right about the Fade and ancient ruins and whatnot...question I have is how much should we trust that...with Solas being an expert of the Fade and a dreamer could he not shape some of that to his own ends? Just something to keep in mind. Of course like most of us around her I'll do a multitude of playthroughs and every variation I can, it's only that my idea endgame world state (if I can get it) is elimination of all the Evanuris and very likely the Forgotten Ones as well...too powerful and too dangerous to have around. Then we can go back to worrying about little things like mage abominations, towers and Templars. And I be tthe Inquisito rright now is jus tsittin gin Skyhold thinking 'If only'
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 21:02:50 GMT
I don't think there is much danger of that. He'll give his perspective but he's still the antagonist. Yeah I think he's still th eantagonist and even i fhe get strapped in the fad ewill tr ytomanipulate us t od owha th ewants somehow. Sols ais not as innocen tas some would wantt owis hhim t obe. H ema yb epowerful bu ti twould still b ewise t obe war yo fhim after all h etricked his fellow gods t og obac kint othei rrealm sjus tt o lock them up using the veil. Maybe i twa sfo rthe best maybe not. Bu tth efac the was manipulativ eenough t ortick them means we shoul db ecarefu ls oas t onot fall in the sam etrap. Nobody claims that he's 'innocent', just that he and his motivations are deep and complex - particularly when compared to version of Fen'Harel from old myths, which characterize him like he's Thedas' version of Loki, when in reality he's a Thedosian equivalent of Prometheus. A tragic trickster, not the chaotic one.
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Post by Reznore on Jun 20, 2024 21:04:49 GMT
My only hope here is that "...who hate Solas, people who want to kick Solas off of a building – I think that we give you the opportunity to bring that to a close,.." and "The most interesting villains to myself, and honestly most people, are not just straight up, 'I want to end the world.' To them, they are the heroes of the story, and Solas is no exception," means the game is not going to spend hours trying to make me believe Solas isn't the villain and he's just another TIM I can shove to the side.
Solas explaining he is the tragic hero, and we made a mistake, to the rythm of Hallelujah. That's what coming to us.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 21:07:01 GMT
In Inquisition, Trespasser or books like Tevinter Nights we've had a wealth of material that was unrelated to and separate from Solas (ancient documents, memories, inscriptions, NPCs, etc.) with which we could verify his claims about the Fade or ancient past - I don't believe, for example, that elven gods were an extremely suspicious bunch just because Solas insist they are, but because e.g. we can find ancient evidence of Evanuris being despotic and flippant, or very unsettling, like in case of Ghilan'nain. In any case, I don't believe the story will unfold only based on someone telling us what happened - we'll be likely spending a lot of time in the Fade and among ancient ruins, piecing a lot of things ourselves. As we usually do in DA. I do actually largely believe Solas with regard to the Evanuris being grade A A*holes since we have plenty of substantiating info to support it...was more referring to his nature as manipulating the Evanuris and Forgotten ones. I think you're like right about the Fade and ancient ruins and whatnot...question I have is how much should we trust that...with Solas being an expert of the Fade and a dreamer could he not shape some of that to his own ends? Just something to keep in mind. Of course like most of us around her I'll do a multitude of playthroughs and every variation I can, it's only that my idea endgame world state (if I can get it) is elimination of all the Evanuris and very likely the Forgotten Ones as well...too powerful and too dangerous to have around. Then we can go back to worrying about little things like mage abominations, towers and Templars. Oh I think we're going to discover not just events that led to the creation of Veiled Thedas, but mechanics of its magic or why things exist in shape they do, which will likely also address issues like demon possession, magical gift or nature of lyrium. Basically, since Inquisition, Descent, JOH, and Trespasser we have knowledge to upend major religions and political systems on the continent^^; So I'm not sure we're ever going back to "little things"...
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www.gameinformer.com/exclusive/2024/06/20/dragon-age-the-veilguards-leads-on-the-name-change-and-solas-role-in-the-story"Epler says players will see early on (and as the narrative develops across Veilguard) that Solas sees much of himself in you, the player-controlled Rook, especially "the parts that maybe he doesn't like to face." As a result, there's an interesting push and pull between Solas and Rook. He says players can define the relationship between these two characters with their choices in dialogue. "You can continue to be suspicious and hostile towards him, or you can start to see him and find that common ground, that connection between the two of you, and really develop a different relationship over the course of the story," Epler says." Wow, I was joking when I said he’s like a Johnny Silverhand. I didn’t think they’d actually do that. We better get to rebuke and confront him as hard as V could Johnny. If it's like TIM where we can disagree but still be his lapdog I’m going to be pissed.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 20, 2024 21:33:25 GMT
Crap...is my Rook going to have an unrequited love situation going on here? Because, shit. I don't know how she's going to have that velvety voice in her head (or however they communicate), and not fall for him. But obviously he's not going to betray my Inky. This could be very bad, guys.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 21:34:46 GMT
Trying to force some kind of a connection between Solas and the new protagonist was of course expected but I don't know about... '' Solas sees much of himself in you '' uhhhhhhhhhh right. Okay. Not really sure about that, especially since I doubt that Rook is going to be wildly different from the Inquisitor. Yeah. My Rook and Inquisitor will be birds of a feather, and neither will be anything like Solas.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 21:37:03 GMT
Trying to force some kind of a connection between Solas and the new protagonist was of course expected but I don't know about... '' Solas sees much of himself in you '' uhhhhhhhhhh right. Okay. Not really sure about that, especially since I doubt that Rook is going to be wildly different from the Inquisitor. Which is a funny remark, given that Inquisitor and Solas are effectively counterparts In Trespasser Solas basically tells us that he and Inquisitor are quite alike - and maybe Inquisitor will also chose Rook based on qualities they think are important when dealing with Solas, which they themselves possess. Anyway, I have many hypotheses about how this could play out - be it for Inquisitor, or Rook or both. Please share.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 20, 2024 21:38:34 GMT
www.gameinformer.com/exclusive/2024/06/20/dragon-age-the-veilguards-leads-on-the-name-change-and-solas-role-in-the-story"Epler says players will see early on (and as the narrative develops across Veilguard) that Solas sees much of himself in you, the player-controlled Rook, especially "the parts that maybe he doesn't like to face." As a result, there's an interesting push and pull between Solas and Rook. He says players can define the relationship between these two characters with their choices in dialogue. "You can continue to be suspicious and hostile towards him, or you can start to see him and find that common ground, that connection between the two of you, and really develop a different relationship over the course of the story," Epler says." Wow, I was joking when I said he’s like a Johnny Silverhand. I didn’t think they’d actually do that. We better get to rebuke and confront him as hard as V could Johnny. If it's like TIM where we can disagree but still be his lapdog I’m going to be pissed. I can't imagine Rook being Solas' lapdog. It's hard to be The Boss when you're trapped in a little prison corner of the Fade. Solas can no doubt provide very useful intel on where to go, Evanuris tendencies and motivations, etc... The Veilguard cannot afford to ignore that, if offered. I think the situation is simply a case of unlikely allies of opportunity. Rook messed up Solas' plan. Neither one of them wants the baddies running free, so their goals are at least temporarily aligned. It will be fascinating to see how the journey changes our understanding and perspectives on the things we think we know and presently feel.
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www.gameinformer.com/exclusive/2024/06/20/dragon-age-the-veilguards-leads-on-the-name-change-and-solas-role-in-the-story"Epler says players will see early on (and as the narrative develops across Veilguard) that Solas sees much of himself in you, the player-controlled Rook, especially "the parts that maybe he doesn't like to face." As a result, there's an interesting push and pull between Solas and Rook. He says players can define the relationship between these two characters with their choices in dialogue. "You can continue to be suspicious and hostile towards him, or you can start to see him and find that common ground, that connection between the two of you, and really develop a different relationship over the course of the story," Epler says." Hopefully there will be a dialogue option to tell the elf to shut up.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 21:40:59 GMT
Wow, I was joking when I said he’s like a Johnny Silverhand. I didn’t think they’d actually do that. We better get to rebuke and confront him as hard as V could Johnny. If it's like TIM where we can disagree but still be his lapdog I’m going to be pissed. I can't imagine Rook being Solas' lapdog. It's hard to be The Boss when you're trapped in a little prison corner of the Fade. Solas can no doubt provide very useful intel on where to go, Evanuris tendencies and motivations, etc... I think the situation is simply a case of unlikely allies of opportunity. Rook messed up Solas' plan. Neither one of them wants the baddies running free, so their goals are at least temporarily aligned. It will be fascinating to see how the journey changes our understanding and perspectives on the things we think we know and presently feel. TIM was just a guy in a chair, yet he was The Boss to Shepard. Yeah Shepard can say they don’t like how he do things but the conversation ends with Shepard still doing whatever TIM said until the end decision.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 20, 2024 21:42:06 GMT
I don't wanna build another relationship with Solas. I went the full friendship, betrayal, standing there armless listening to his b***shit. I want to put him on my fade dream blocklist. Thanks. My only hope here is that "...who hate Solas, people who want to kick Solas off of a building – I think that we give you the opportunity to bring that to a close,.." and "The most interesting villains to myself, and honestly most people, are not just straight up, 'I want to end the world.' To them, they are the heroes of the story, and Solas is no exception," means the game is not going to spend hours trying to make me believe Solas isn't the villain and he's just another TIM I can shove to the side.
In TIM's case he was being controlled by dumb dumb. Solas doesn't have that excuse.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 21:42:34 GMT
Crap...is my Rook going to have an unrequited love situation going on here? Because, shit. The final fight will be between Inquisitor and Rook for the bald elf's affection
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Post by cyanwool on Jun 20, 2024 21:42:47 GMT
Trying to force some kind of a connection between Solas and the new protagonist was of course expected but I don't know about... '' Solas sees much of himself in you '' uhhhhhhhhhh right. Okay. Not really sure about that, especially since I doubt that Rook is going to be wildly different from the Inquisitor. Yeah I'm trying to imagine what they meant by this, especially the "parts he doesn't like to face" thing. Rook might not be exactly a blank slate, but it's still supposed to be mostly up to the player. Might depend on your wheel choices. If you're ruthless he will see his pride, otherwise he sees his compassion, something like that... I'm curious, though, there's potential here
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 20, 2024 21:43:34 GMT
Crap...is my Rook going to have an unrequited love situation going on here? Because, shit. The final fight will be between Inquisitor and Rook for the bald elf's affection I'm not counting that possibility out!
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Post by cyanwool on Jun 20, 2024 21:43:48 GMT
Crap...is my Rook going to have an unrequited love situation going on here? Because, shit. I don't know how she's going to have that velvety voice in her head (or however they communicate), and not fall for him. But obviously he's not going to betray my Inky. This could be very bad, guys. One of the community council members did say they started shipping them
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 20, 2024 21:45:47 GMT
Crap...is my Rook going to have an unrequited love situation going on here? Because, shit. I don't know how she's going to have that velvety voice in her head (or however they communicate), and not fall for him. But obviously he's not going to betray my Inky. This could be very bad, guys. One of the community council members did say they started shipping them SHIT!
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 21:47:40 GMT
The final fight will be between Inquisitor and Rook for the bald elf's affection I'm not counting that possibility out! One thing Lavellan didn't predict at all - that her agent is going to steal Solas for themselves
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 21:47:52 GMT
Crap...is my Rook going to have an unrequited love situation going on here? Because, shit. The final fight will be between Inquisitor and Rook for the bald elf's affection Meanwhile mine will be fighting in who gets to deliver the final blow and put the rabid dog down. Hopefully with an option where they do it together at the same time.
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Post by MeadKnight on Jun 20, 2024 21:48:37 GMT
I'm not counting that possibility out! One thing Lavellan didn't predict at all - that her agent is going to steal Solas for themselves Honestly, I don't know if I could resist the drama if that is an option XD
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