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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 21:49:24 GMT
Crap...is my Rook going to have an unrequited love situation going on here? Because, shit. I don't know how she's going to have that velvety voice in her head (or however they communicate), and not fall for him. But obviously he's not going to betray my Inky. This could be very bad, guys. Just play a non-elf Rook. Solas’s racism will stop him from making a move.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 21:50:57 GMT
One thing Lavellan didn't predict at all - that her agent is going to steal Solas for themselves Honestly, I don't know if I could resist the drama if that is an option XD Oh, the drama! It's worth speculating about, even if just for that.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 20, 2024 21:51:06 GMT
I'm not counting that possibility out! One thing Lavellan didn't predict at all - that her agent is going to steal Solas for themselves She found someone SHE didn't even see coming.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 20, 2024 21:52:58 GMT
Crap...is my Rook going to have an unrequited love situation going on here? Because, shit. I don't know how she's going to have that velvety voice in her head (or however they communicate), and not fall for him. But obviously he's not going to betray my Inky. This could be very bad, guys. Just play a non-elf Rook. Solas’s racism will stop him from making a move. That is one way to do it.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 20, 2024 21:56:34 GMT
The final fight will be between Inquisitor and Rook for the bald elf's affection Meanwhile mine will be fighting in who gets to deliver the final blow and put the rabid dog down. Hopefully with an option where they do it together at the same time. I'd be ok with that. Though instead of having a final blow, it will be a beatdown from Inq for having lost his/her arm. My Inq cuts off the chuckles clown arm, then uses it to beat him to death. My rook character will be standing in the background cheering the Inq on. excellent.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 20, 2024 21:57:52 GMT
Trying to force some kind of a connection between Solas and the new protagonist was of course expected but I don't know about... '' Solas sees much of himself in you '' uhhhhhhhhhh right. Okay. Not really sure about that, especially since I doubt that Rook is going to be wildly different from the Inquisitor. He says less or more the same to the Inquisitor in DAI/Trespasser (with high approval)
So did mouse in the mage origin in DAO.
It's a way to build trust and report...
Trying to force some kind of a connection between Solas and the new protagonist was of course expected but I don't know about... '' Solas sees much of himself in you '' uhhhhhhhhhh right. Okay. Not really sure about that, especially since I doubt that Rook is going to be wildly different from the Inquisitor. Yeah I'm trying to imagine what they meant by this, especially the "parts he doesn't like to face" thing. Rook might not be exactly a blank slate, but it's still supposed to be mostly up to the player. Might depend on your wheel choices. If you're ruthless he will see his pride, otherwise he sees his compassion, something like that... I'm curious, though, there's potential here I'm pretty sure it's going to be about regret, since that's the game theme.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 22:10:25 GMT
Trying to force some kind of a connection between Solas and the new protagonist was of course expected but I don't know about... '' Solas sees much of himself in you '' uhhhhhhhhhh right. Okay. Not really sure about that, especially since I doubt that Rook is going to be wildly different from the Inquisitor. He says less or more the same to the Inquisitor in DAI/Trespasser (with high approval)
So did mouse in the mage origin in DAO.
It's a way to build trust and report...
This goes beyond building a rapport - Inquisitor plays roughly the same role as a leader, uses his power, and is given his old base. And not just a hideout in the Fade, but a place that is suggested heavily to be the spot where Solas has created the Veil. Solas then paints murals in the rotunda, declaring the place as Inquisitor's. Inquisitor isn't just alike - the story makes it seem like Inquisitor is Solas' chosen successor. But to what end, I don't know.
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Post by cyanwool on Jun 20, 2024 22:12:47 GMT
Yeah I'm trying to imagine what they meant by this, especially the "parts he doesn't like to face" thing. Rook might not be exactly a blank slate, but it's still supposed to be mostly up to the player. Might depend on your wheel choices. If you're ruthless he will see his pride, otherwise he sees his compassion, something like that... I'm curious, though, there's potential here I'm pretty sure it's going to be about regret, since that's the game theme. That does make sense, but I wonder what would our regret be. Interrupting the ritual, possibly causing Varric's death? Maybe something related to our background?
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 20, 2024 22:26:21 GMT
See and people were saying BioWare wouldn't be inspired by anything Larian did... but this whole thing with Solas in our head and convos etc...
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 20, 2024 22:29:36 GMT
I'm always impressed by the depth of feeling Solas inspires. It ranges from one extreme to the other. That's a great character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 22:31:23 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's going to be about regret, since that's the game theme. That does make sense, but I wonder what would our regret be. Interrupting the ritual, possibly causing Varric's death? Maybe something related to our background? Hopefully they don’t force us to feel regret about stoping a genocide.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 22:34:56 GMT
See and people were saying BioWare wouldn't be inspired by anything Larian did... but this whole thing with Solas in our head and convos etc... Haha - I can see why people are making comparisons, but I find it quite unlikely they got inspired so much as to add something so plot-significant a mere year before release, especially that Solas is established as a Dreamer that can come to people in dreams, in Inquisition one of the chats with Solas (that can turn into a potential romance scene) happens when we're dreaming and he does later haunts the edges of romanced Lavellan dreams. Hmmmm, that makes me wonder - will it ever be established that, over those 10 years, Inquisitor and Solas had dream-chats of some sort? (also, that scene with Emperor, uhhhhh...)
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Post by TabithaTH on Jun 20, 2024 22:50:34 GMT
People are 100% going to say Bioware copied BG3. Even though there’s precedent for Solas visiting people’s dreams since DAI.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 22:59:42 GMT
People are 100% going to say Bioware copied BG3. Even though there’s precedent for Solas visiting people’s dreams since DAI. Why, of course - on one hand we've already heard "why aren't they doing what BG3 did!?", and it's almost no doubt there will also be "they just copied what BG3 did!", including a theme of a sad, distrustful traumatized elf in need of some guiding hand ;P I won't be playing that "game" of course, I'm super-comfortable living in a world where I enjoy both BG3 and DA - both the ways they differ from one another, as well as things they share, coincidentally or not.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 23:03:31 GMT
People are 100% going to say Bioware copied BG3. Even though there’s precedent for Solas visiting people’s dreams since DAI. Already saw it with them making all the LIs pan, despite DA2 doing that a decade before BG3 came out.
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Post by phoray on Jun 20, 2024 23:18:54 GMT
Good fior you. Other people DON'T. If they want to leave a nuke laying around that's their choice...others should be afforded theirs if they feel said nuke is too dangerous. .they wouldn't even let us execute Samson.
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Post by phoray on Jun 20, 2024 23:24:20 GMT
I wonder if the reason the voice actor of Flemeth isn’t in this game is because if we hear Mythal’s voice it’ll be Mythal’s actual voice instead of Flemeth’s. I always thought the voice actor would change to whoever the new vessel was. I had thought Claudia Black's voice with Morrigan.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 20, 2024 23:27:01 GMT
See and people were saying BioWare wouldn't be inspired by anything Larian did... but this whole thing with Solas in our head and convos etc... Haha - I can see why people are making comparisons, but I find it quite unlikely they got inspired so much as to add something so plot-significant a mere year before release, especially that Solas is established as a Dreamer that can come to people in dreams, in Inquisition one of the chats with Solas (that can turn into a potential romance scene) happens when we're dreaming and he does later haunts the edges of romanced Lavellan dreams. Hmmmm, that makes me wonder - will it ever be established that, over those 10 years, Inquisitor and Solas had dream-chats of some sort? (also, that scene with Emperor, uhhhhh...) It was a joke. I doubt BioWare could be influenced by BG3 as there was not enough time. Just the whole Solas in your head thing made me think of this awkward, very awkward, moment with the Emperor.
"Oh Hi, just sitting here in my pajamas and thought of you..."
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Post by phoray on Jun 20, 2024 23:27:49 GMT
Trying to force some kind of a connection between Solas and the new protagonist was of course expected but I don't know about... '' Solas sees much of himself in you '' uhhhhhhhhhh right. Okay. Not really sure about that, especially since I doubt that Rook is going to be wildly different from the Inquisitor. Solas can think whatever he wants while he's going through a depressive episode in the Fade. My Rook will simply find him to be projecting and delusional.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 23:37:44 GMT
Haha - I can see why people are making comparisons, but I find it quite unlikely they got inspired so much as to add something so plot-significant a mere year before release, especially that Solas is established as a Dreamer that can come to people in dreams, in Inquisition one of the chats with Solas (that can turn into a potential romance scene) happens when we're dreaming and he does later haunts the edges of romanced Lavellan dreams. Hmmmm, that makes me wonder - will it ever be established that, over those 10 years, Inquisitor and Solas had dream-chats of some sort? (also, that scene with Emperor, uhhhhh...) It was a joke. I doubt BioWare could be influenced by BG3 as there was not enough time. Just the whole Solas in your head thing made me think of this awkward, very awkward, moment with the Emperor.
"Oh Hi, just sitting here in my pajamas and thought of you..." (I never get frisky with Emp, but I know some peeps do, and I mean... to each their own - but there's some serious 'yikes' to be had if one rebuffs Emp and he shows you his true relationship with Stelmane ...) Rook: Wait, Fade-pajamas exist???? I do wonder if we'd get any scenes where Solas would indeed be dreaming and that's how we get the Solas-with-hair tho? Or will we bring memories related to him that we've found somewhere else and he may expand on them?
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Post by Envisionary on Jun 20, 2024 23:39:19 GMT
Every relationship Solas had with anyone from Trespasser prior was easily disposable, so I still don't see a relationship with Rook mattering to him beyond being someone to use and discard when the chance arises. Again.
Felassan, Inquisitor (romanced or friendly), and Flemythal were all sacrifices he was willing to make.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2024 23:43:51 GMT
The two do have similarities but I doubt bioware would've had enough time to adapt it after BG III came out. More likely they had developed the idea independently.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 20, 2024 23:51:54 GMT
Since we'll be facing Elgar'nan first, I wonder which Evanuris will be dealt with last, since there's now an odd number. If the murals in the Temple of Mythal are any indication, Andruil seems to have gotten the worst of the Blight because of her hunting trips into the Void.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 23:52:25 GMT
Every relationship Solas had with anyone from Trespasser prior was easily disposable, so I still don't see a relationship with Rook mattering to him beyond being someone to use and discard when the chance arises. Again. Felassan, Inquisitor (romanced or friendly), and Flemythal were all sacrifices he was willing to make. If this was in any way true, Bioware would never hint that friendship with Solas could change his fate, gave us an option to redeem him, or made a scene which - when Varric aims at him with Bianca - ends with Solas only destroying the crossbow, instead of turning Varric into a statue without even looking at him (like he did with Viddasala at the end of Trespasser). Nor would John Epler say in today's article that the relationship with Rook does indeed matter. Like, what would be the point - you can argue that in-story character could lie, but why would game's creative director do so? I know people have different ideas about Solas and how they'd end his story, but if there's one thing that is certain is that BW wouldn't be wasting anyone's time if they thought of Solas as just another villain who will discard people when they're no longer needed. He's neither a black or white character, but a grey one. Also - Felassan didn't die because he was "disposable", but because he disobeyed him and endangered a plan Soals thinks is important for the survival of Thedas. Inquisitor (romanced or not) has been - objectively - saved by Solas from the malfunctioning Anchor and allowed to be chased after. And Flemythal consciously gave him her powers.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 20, 2024 23:58:18 GMT
Since we'll be facing Elgar'nan first, I wonder which Evanuris will be dealt with last, since there's now an odd number. If the murals in the Temple of Mythal are any indication, Andruil seems to have gotten the worst of the Blight because of her hunting trips into the Void. The myth does mention that things returned to normal after Mythal stole the knowledge of how to enter the Void tho (and I do wonder whether that knowledge led to her murder?) Also, there's a question of whether other Evanuris even exist, since we don't yet know if they're connected to the Old Gods, and 5 Old Gods out of 7 are already dealt with (they may exist in some form - like Urthemiel - but it's hard to say how dangerous that form is to Thedas).
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