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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 20, 2024 23:58:45 GMT
Every relationship Solas had with anyone from Trespasser prior was easily disposable, so I still don't see a relationship with Rook mattering to him beyond being someone to use and discard when the chance arises. Again. Felassan, Inquisitor (romanced or friendly), and Flemythal were all sacrifices he was willing to make.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 21, 2024 0:03:37 GMT
The two do have similarities but I doubt bioware would've had enough time to adapt it after BG III came out. More likely they had developed the idea independently. I wonder if they got the idea from MEA? The game has a voice in the head. Maybe they thought if it would be cool to do something similar for this game
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Post by Envisionary on Jun 21, 2024 0:12:25 GMT
Every relationship Solas had with anyone from Trespasser prior was easily disposable, so I still don't see a relationship with Rook mattering to him beyond being someone to use and discard when the chance arises. Again. Felassan, Inquisitor (romanced or friendly), and Flemythal were all sacrifices he was willing to make. If this was in any way true, Bioware would never hint that friendship with Solas could change his fate, gave us an option to redeem him, or made a scene which - when Varric aims at him with Bianca - ends with Solas only destroying the crossbow, instead of turning Varric into a statue without even looking at him (like he did with Viddasala at the end of Trespasser). Nor would John Epler say in today's article that the relationship with Rook does indeed matter. Like, what would be the point - you can argue that in-story character could lie, but why would game's creative director do so? I know people have different ideas about Solas and how they'd end his story, but if there's one thing that is certain is that they wouldn't be wasting anyone's time if they thought of Solas as just another villain who will discard people when they're no longer needed. He's neither a black or white character, but a grey one. Also - Felassan didn't die because he was "disposable", but because he disobeyed him and endangered a plan Soals thinks is important for the survival of Thedas. Inquisitor (romanced or not) has been - objectively - saved by Solas from the malfunctioning Anchor and allowed to be chased after. And Flemythal consciously gave him her powers. Varric is also still a sacrifice he's willing to make. Just not directly, much like the Inquisitor.
I'm sure I did say that Rook would matter to him. As a pawn.
It's weird how the plan has suddenly shifted from restoring his people at any cost to "the survival of Thedas" when that wasn't the case before. Nonetheless, Felassan was outright killed by Solas for having the audacity to fail him. Of all punishments, murder?
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Post by azarhal on Jun 21, 2024 0:14:58 GMT
The two do have similarities but I doubt bioware would've had enough time to adapt it after BG III came out. More likely they had developed the idea independently. BioWare already did it in SWTOR back in 2015 with Knights of the Fallen Empire. It even has two main antagonists who are very well known to the dude who talks to you in your head.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 21, 2024 0:18:50 GMT
If this was in any way true, Bioware would never hint that friendship with Solas could change his fate, gave us an option to redeem him, or made a scene which - when Varric aims at him with Bianca - ends with Solas only destroying the crossbow, instead of turning Varric into a statue without even looking at him (like he did with Viddasala at the end of Trespasser). Nor would John Epler say in today's article that the relationship with Rook does indeed matter. Like, what would be the point - you can argue that in-story character could lie, but why would game's creative director do so? I know people have different ideas about Solas and how they'd end his story, but if there's one thing that is certain is that they wouldn't be wasting anyone's time if they thought of Solas as just another villain who will discard people when they're no longer needed. He's neither a black or white character, but a grey one. Also - Felassan didn't die because he was "disposable", but because he disobeyed him and endangered a plan Soals thinks is important for the survival of Thedas. Inquisitor (romanced or not) has been - objectively - saved by Solas from the malfunctioning Anchor and allowed to be chased after. And Flemythal consciously gave him her powers. Varric is also still a sacrifice he's willing to make. Just not directly, much like the Inquisitor.
I'm sure I did say that Rook would matter to him. As a pawn.
It's weird how the plan has suddenly shifted from restoring his people at any cost to "the survival of Thedas" when that wasn't the case before. Nonetheless, Felassan was outright killed by Solas for having the audacity to fail him. Of all punishments, murder?
Felassan didn't just fail. He betrayed Solas. And he knew what the consequences would be when he did it. Not that it makes it okay, but it is what it is.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 21, 2024 0:21:41 GMT
Since we'll be facing Elgar'nan first, I wonder which Evanuris will be dealt with last, since there's now an odd number. If the murals in the Temple of Mythal are any indication, Andruil seems to have gotten the worst of the Blight because of her hunting trips into the Void. The myth does mention that things returned to normal after Mythal stole the knowledge of how to enter the Void tho (and I do wonder whether that knowledge led to her murder?) Also, there's a question of whether other Evanuris even exists, since we don't yet know if they're connected to the Old Gods, and 5 Old Gods out of 7 are already dealt with (they may exist in some form - like Urthemiel - but it's hard to say how dangerous that form is to Thedas). I'm not sold on the theory that the Evanuris are the Old Gods. Connected, yes. One and the same, no. My leading theory is that the Old Gods were powerful spirits that directly served the Evanuris, then after the Evanuris were sealed away, the Old Gods tried to gain power for themselves and were summoned into the bodies of high/great dragons, much like Hakon.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 21, 2024 0:24:48 GMT
Varric is also still a sacrifice he's willing to make. Just not directly, much like the Inquisitor.
I'm sure I did say that Rook would matter to him. As a pawn.
It's weird how the plan has suddenly shifted from restoring his people at any cost to "the survival of Thedas" when that wasn't the case before. Nonetheless, Felassan was outright killed by Solas for having the audacity to fail him. Of all punishments, murder?
If Varric/Inky is a sacrifice he's willing to make, why didn't he kill them when he's had the opportunity? It's Solas allowing them to live and chase after him that has ultimately led to the disruption of his ritual. It's not weird if you actually listen to what he says, or muse a little about who "his people" are, and what he intends to restore. And yes, it was pretty much always about the survival of Thedas - just like it was when he pushed away the Fade (a thing he dearly loved) from the world and destroyed Elvenhan, but saved the world and the people from Evanuris destroying the entire world. The same gods he intended to still contain, away from Thedas. From perspective of Solas at the time, Felassan was a traitor. You know, quite like...: Btw. Leliana and hardening/unhardening her is deliberately written in Inquisition as a mirror of Solas.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 21, 2024 0:43:57 GMT
The myth does mention that things returned to normal after Mythal stole the knowledge of how to enter the Void tho (and I do wonder whether that knowledge led to her murder?) Also, there's a question of whether other Evanuris even exists, since we don't yet know if they're connected to the Old Gods, and 5 Old Gods out of 7 are already dealt with (they may exist in some form - like Urthemiel - but it's hard to say how dangerous that form is to Thedas). I'm not sold on the theory that the Evanuris are the Old Gods. Connected, yes. One and the same, no. My leading theory is that the Old Gods were powerful spirits that directly served the Evanuris, then after the Evanuris were sealed away, the Old Gods tried to gain power for themselves and were summoned into the bodies of high/great dragons, much like Hakon. I think Hakkon is probably linked more to Forgotten One - Geldauran specifically, because Hakkon is an ice dragon/spirit and in JOH we find a frigid tomb that is connected to Geldauran. Also, on this mural we can see that there are 7 half-globes on the central circle - only 2 of them are not greyed out. However it connects Evanuris to the Old Gods, it connects them somehow.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 21, 2024 0:45:10 GMT
The myth does mention that things returned to normal after Mythal stole the knowledge of how to enter the Void tho (and I do wonder whether that knowledge led to her murder?) Also, there's a question of whether other Evanuris even exists, since we don't yet know if they're connected to the Old Gods, and 5 Old Gods out of 7 are already dealt with (they may exist in some form - like Urthemiel - but it's hard to say how dangerous that form is to Thedas). I'm not sold on the theory that the Evanuris are the Old Gods. Connected, yes. One and the same, no. My leading theory is that the Old Gods were powerful spirits that directly served the Evanuris, then after the Evanuris were sealed away, the Old Gods tried to gain power for themselves and were summoned into the bodies of high/great dragons, much like Hakon. I like the theory that the Old Gods were Great Dragons and the enemy in that first war that took the Evanuris from respected generals to leaders which eventually led to "god". With the Dalish tale of Elgar'nan burying his father, the sun, in the earth as the mythologized version of trapping the old gods in the underground after defeating them. Vibes well with Yavana's "the blood of dragons is the blood of the world" "it sings of a time when dragons ruled the skies. A time before the veil, before the mysteries were forgotten" spiel.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 21, 2024 0:53:39 GMT
I'm not sold on the theory that the Evanuris are the Old Gods. Connected, yes. One and the same, no. My leading theory is that the Old Gods were powerful spirits that directly served the Evanuris, then after the Evanuris were sealed away, the Old Gods tried to gain power for themselves and were summoned into the bodies of high/great dragons, much like Hakon. I like the theory that the Old Gods were Great Dragons and the enemy in that first war that took the Evanuris from respected generals to leaders which eventually led to "god". With the Dalish tale of Elgar'nan burying his father, the sun, in the earth as the mythologized version of trapping the old gods in the underground after defeating them. Vibes well with Yavana's "the blood of dragons is the blood of the world" "it sings of a time when dragons ruled the skies. A time before the veil, before the mysteries were forgotten" spiel. The war that eventually elevated Evanuris to godhood seems to be either with the Titans or the Forgotten Ones. Maybe it all connects somehow, dunno, but what appears to be true is that the Evanuris seem to have used the form of the dragon as a sign of their divinity - Mythal is, ostentatiously, shown as a dragon, or in dragon form and it appears to be a shape limited only to gods and their chosen, as per this codex from Mythal's temple: "His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine."
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 21, 2024 0:58:24 GMT
I like the theory that the Old Gods were Great Dragons and the enemy in that first war that took the Evanuris from respected generals to leaders which eventually led to "god". With the Dalish tale of Elgar'nan burying his father, the sun, in the earth as the mythologized version of trapping the old gods in the underground after defeating them. Vibes well with Yavana's "the blood of dragons is the blood of the world" "it sings of a time when dragons ruled the skies. A time before the veil, before the mysteries were forgotten" spiel. The war that eventually elevated Evanuris to godhood seems to be either with the Titans or the Forgotten Ones. Maybe it all connects somehow, dunno, but what appears to be true is that the Evanuris seems to have used the form of the dragon as a sign of their divinity - Mythal is, ostentatiously, shown as a dragon, or in dragon form and it appears to be a shape limited only to gods and their chosen, as per this codex from Mythal's temple: "His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine." I'm under the impression that the dragon form is specific to Mythal. Each Evanuris had a sacred animal: dragons for Mythal, owls for Falon'din, bears for Dirthamen, hawks and hares for Andruil, Halla for Ghilan'nain, and wolves for Fen'Harel. Elgar'nan, Sylaise, and June's sacred animals have been forgotten. If they're all shapeshifters, I would expect their preferred forms to match their sacred animals. If all of them could transform into dragons, it raises questions about how the male Evanuris were able to do so considering dragons' sexual dimorphism.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 21, 2024 1:05:12 GMT
I'm under the impression that the dragon form is specific to Mythal. Each Evanuris had a sacred animal: dragons for Mythal, owls for Falon'din, bears for Dirthamen, hawks and hares for Andruil, Halla for Ghilan'nain, and wolves for Fen'Harel. Elgar'nan, Sylaise, and June's sacred animals have been forgotten. If they're all shapeshifters, I would expect their preferred forms to match their sacred animals. If all of them could transform into dragons, it raises questions about how the male Evanuris were able to do so considering dragons' sexual dimorphism. Given that Solas can assume the form of a huge six-eyed wolf (with some draconic/hellish qualities thrown into the mix), I don't think natural sexual dimorphism of dragons was in any way a problem...
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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2024 1:05:56 GMT
The two do have similarities but I doubt bioware would've had enough time to adapt it after BG III came out. More likely they had developed the idea independently. BioWare already did it in SWTOR back in 2015 with Knights of the Fallen Empire. It even has two main antagonists who are very well known to the dude who talks to you in your head.
very probable. Forgot about volkarian or whatever his name was.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 21, 2024 1:21:27 GMT
The war that eventually elevated Evanuris to godhood seems to be either with the Titans or the Forgotten Ones. Maybe it all connects somehow, dunno, but what appears to be true is that the Evanuris seems to have used the form of the dragon as a sign of their divinity - Mythal is, ostentatiously, shown as a dragon, or in dragon form and it appears to be a shape limited only to gods and their chosen, as per this codex from Mythal's temple: "His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine."I'm under the impression that the dragon form is specific to Mythal. Each Evanuris had a sacred animal: dragons for Mythal, owls for Falon'din, bears for Dirthamen, hawks and hares for Andruil, Halla for Ghilan'nain, and wolves for Fen'Harel. Elgar'nan, Sylaise, and June's sacred animals have been forgotten. If they're all shapeshifters, I would expect their preferred forms to match their sacred animals. If all of them could transform into dragons, it raises questions about how the male Evanuris were able to do so considering dragons' sexual dimorphism. While natural High Dragons are all female, supernatural ones aren’t. Six of the Seven Old Gods are male after all(one reason I don’t think they’re the Evanuris).
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 21, 2024 1:24:27 GMT
I'm under the impression that the dragon form is specific to Mythal. Each Evanuris had a sacred animal: dragons for Mythal, owls for Falon'din, bears for Dirthamen, hawks and hares for Andruil, Halla for Ghilan'nain, and wolves for Fen'Harel. Elgar'nan, Sylaise, and June's sacred animals have been forgotten. If they're all shapeshifters, I would expect their preferred forms to match their sacred animals. If all of them could transform into dragons, it raises questions about how the male Evanuris were able to do so considering dragons' sexual dimorphism. While natural High Dragons are all female, supernatural ones aren’t. Six of the Seven Old Gods are male after all(one reason I don’t think they’re the Evanuris). We originally thought all seven were male. If they were wrong about one, they could be wrong about all of them. Even if all of them are right, the spirit's gender expression doesn't need to match the sex of the dragon host. Hakkon is identified as male, but it is explicitly stated that his host was originally a perfectly normal high dragon, which means that it was female before being possessed.
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Post by phoray on Jun 21, 2024 2:56:29 GMT
This has become the real speculation thread :3
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 21, 2024 3:13:10 GMT
This has become the real speculation thread :3 And it may remain so, given that the author of the article said that he'll be bringing goodies at least every other weekday. Wesley LeBlanc @leblancwes (Game Informer)I’ll have features going up at least every other weekday (if all goes according to plan) for the next few weeks😎 Not all of them will be as revealing as my combat feature, though. Some are just breakouts of topics in the cover story, with some new/ additional quotes, etc. ShinobiA ton more in July too.
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Post by biggydx on Jun 21, 2024 3:15:45 GMT
I'm always impressed by the depth of feeling Solas inspires. It ranges from one extreme to the other. That's a great character. Half of the people are like: "I CAN FIX HIM" The other half are like: "How many ways can I make scrambled eggs out of this f**ker?"
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 21, 2024 3:29:09 GMT
To be fair we don't know if great dragons are all female like high dragons are.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 21, 2024 3:34:02 GMT
This has become the real speculation thread :3 I speculate we'll fight at least 10 dragons in the game
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Post by phoray on Jun 21, 2024 4:22:16 GMT
This has become the real speculation thread :3 I speculate we'll fight at least 10 dragons in the game I hope the dragons are doing more than just interfering with gentrification and eating of livestock
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 21, 2024 5:40:04 GMT
This has become the real speculation thread :3 That's probably because it's actually giving information to base speculation on.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 21, 2024 5:56:16 GMT
This has become the real speculation thread :3 I speculate we'll fight at least 10 dragons in the game But...but, Inquisition had 10. Surely there must be 20 in this game cause gamers want more. Sadly, I suspect, one of the best aspects of DAI will be reduced in this game...I could see it being like 2. Elgar'nan being one...I'm assuming the huge dragon at the end of the reveal trailer is him.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2024 6:01:14 GMT
I speculate we'll fight at least 10 dragons in the game But...but, Inquisition had 10. Surely there must be 20 in this game cause gamers want more. Sadly, I suspect, one of the best aspects of DAI will be reduced in this game...I could see it being like 2. Elgar'nan being one...I'm assuming the huge dragon at the end of the reveal trailer is him. I think 2 is a bit on the light side but I'm also hoping to see a greater variety of 'world bosses' in general.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 21, 2024 6:05:54 GMT
But...but, Inquisition had 10. Surely there must be 20 in this game cause gamers want more. Sadly, I suspect, one of the best aspects of DAI will be reduced in this game...I could see it being like 2. Elgar'nan being one...I'm assuming the huge dragon at the end of the reveal trailer is him. I think 2 is a bit on the light side but I'm also hoping to see a greater variety of 'world bosses' in general. That I can see. I definitely want a piece of Ghilan'nain in that monstrous form.
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