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Post by fairdragon on Jun 21, 2024 6:12:47 GMT
I think it was Mark Darrah who said that they couldn't afford to get Kate Mulgrew anymore. Oh interesting. Shame. So then my hope is that Mythal is in the game with a different voice. I'll take it! Maybe this isn't what you want, but as i see Solas in the gameplay trailer i would say: Mythal is in the game with Solas voice for the most part. Maybe at the end with her own voice.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 21, 2024 6:26:13 GMT
Trying to force some kind of a connection between Solas and the new protagonist was of course expected but I don't know about... '' Solas sees much of himself in you '' uhhhhhhhhhh right. Okay. Not really sure about that, especially since I doubt that Rook is going to be wildly different from the Inquisitor. From a trailer Solas: "What will they call you when this is over" I think we will step in his footsteps.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 21, 2024 6:49:21 GMT
I can't imagine Rook being Solas' lapdog. It's hard to be The Boss when you're trapped in a little prison corner of the Fade. Solas can no doubt provide very useful intel on where to go, Evanuris tendencies and motivations, etc... I think the situation is simply a case of unlikely allies of opportunity. Rook messed up Solas' plan. Neither one of them wants the baddies running free, so their goals are at least temporarily aligned. It will be fascinating to see how the journey changes our understanding and perspectives on the things we think we know and presently feel. TIM was just a guy in a chair, yet he was The Boss to Shepard. Yeah Shepard can say they don’t like how he do things but the conversation ends with Shepard still doing whatever TIM said until the end decision. Solas has power even if he is in a prison. So he will be like Tim haveing power over you, even if you don't like it. I agree with Hanako there. But i wouldn't say lapdog is the right word.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 21, 2024 7:01:40 GMT
See and people were saying BioWare wouldn't be inspired by anything Larian did... but this whole thing with Solas in our head and convos etc... I don't like that. Because this was for me kind of stupid. But i don't like the writing in BG3 anyway. So hope if Bioware take inspiration from it, because haveing someone in your head is a musst have now a days, please with Bioware writing.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 21, 2024 7:06:29 GMT
People are 100% going to say Bioware copied BG3. Even though there’s precedent for Solas visiting people’s dreams since DAI. Already saw it with them making all the LIs pan, despite DA2 doing that a decade before BG3 came out. But i am happy that they develop it further. I don't like the implimention in BG3 and i am super happy they can also romance each other like in the other DA games.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 21, 2024 7:07:33 GMT
I speculate we'll fight at least 10 dragons in the game But...but, Inquisition had 10. Surely there must be 20 in this game cause gamers want more. Sadly, I suspect, one of the best aspects of DAI will be reduced in this game...I could see it being like 2. Elgar'nan being one...I'm assuming the huge dragon at the end of the reveal trailer is him. Based on last year's dragon age day i think we'll get more than 2 www.ea.com/en-au/games/dragon-age/dragon-age-the-veilguard/news/da-day-2023
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 21, 2024 7:11:50 GMT
The two do have similarities but I doubt bioware would've had enough time to adapt it after BG III came out. More likely they had developed the idea independently. BG3 early Access was 2020 I definitely think they played it. But they haven't much resoures to impliment much. And also they have had a story planed before.
I wonder if they got the idea from MEA? The game has a voice in the head. Maybe they thought if it would be cool to do something similar for this game
2020 also the release of Cyberpunk 2077. Which also have someone stuck with you. Mark Darrah have said in one of his videos that their are things, which are expected as standard and which you then have to put into your game. Maybe this is such a situation for Darrah.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 21, 2024 7:28:25 GMT
I'm not sold on the theory that the Evanuris are the Old Gods. Connected, yes. One and the same, no. My leading theory is that the Old Gods were powerful spirits that directly served the Evanuris, then after the Evanuris were sealed away, the Old Gods tried to gain power for themselves and were summoned into the bodies of high/great dragons, much like Hakon. I like the theory that the Old Gods were Great Dragons and the enemy in that first war that took the Evanuris from respected generals to leaders which eventually led to "god". With the Dalish tale of Elgar'nan burying his father, the sun, in the earth as the mythologized version of trapping the old gods in the underground after defeating them. Vibes well with Yavana's "the blood of dragons is the blood of the world" "it sings of a time when dragons ruled the skies. A time before the veil, before the mysteries were forgotten" spiel. I have a simular idea only with the forgotten ones. So Elgar'nans father is part of the forgotten ones. I have had the idea that it wasn't his father, but father in law and that Mythal was a forgotten one as well. Forgotten ones = old gods would also be cool.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 21, 2024 7:51:03 GMT
But...but, Inquisition had 10. Surely there must be 20 in this game cause gamers want more. Sadly, I suspect, one of the best aspects of DAI will be reduced in this game...I could see it being like 2. Elgar'nan being one...I'm assuming the huge dragon at the end of the reveal trailer is him. Based on last year's dragon age day i think we'll get more than 2 www.ea.com/en-au/games/dragon-age/dragon-age-the-veilguard/news/da-day-2023I can hope...and I can hope that my companions don't attack the damned things by standing and shooting arrows pointblank into its face. (Looking at you Sera.)
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2024 8:23:00 GMT
My only hope here is that ". ..who hate Solas, people who want to kick Solas off of a building – I think that we give you the opportunity to bring that to a close,.." and " The most interesting villains to myself, and honestly most people, are not just straight up, 'I want to end the world.' To them, they are the heroes of the story, and Solas is no exception," means the game is not going to spend hours trying to make me believe Solas isn't the villain and he's just another TIM I can shove to the side. One of the best bits of ME2 is when you can cut TIM off abruptly at the end. We did what we set out to do, now F*** off. I have a feeling that if we want to break our connection we are going to have to confront him spiritually in the Fade as the Dread Wolf. I'm okay with that. As to the outcome of that confrontation, wasn't it a case back in DA2 that if you killed a mage in the Fade they became tranquil? Which for Solas would be a fate worse than death.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2024 8:33:56 GMT
.they wouldn't even let us execute Samson. Or Fiona. We didn't even get to judge her. We could kill her on the Templar path but if you opt for the mages, then she stays as their leader regardless. I was fuming about that. It almost made me glad that Vivienne did end up effectively Grand Enchanter by the end (I will never accept that she could ever have been Divine). Fiona constantly betrayed people both in Asunder and the game, made terrible decisions, allied with the enemy (whether that is Corypheus or simply Tevinter) and yet she gets a free pass. My canon run is definitely the Templar path (and then I disband them).
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2024 8:48:09 GMT
"His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine."[/b] This is why I have theorised that the Old God dragons could be the Chosen of their respective Evanuris who became trapped in the Deep Roads or simply retreated there to enter Uthenera and await their return whilst working towards that end. They could even have got their followers to seal them in so they wouldn't be disturbed. I'm under the impression that the dragon form is specific to Mythal. It may also have been specific to Elgar'nan too. There was a codex that said the dwarves stayed off the surface because they were afraid of Elgar'nan's fire and these lines from the Song to Elgar'nan comes from the Temple of Mythal: Burn the ground under your gaze. Bring Winged Death against those who throw down our workSo, whatever creature he was identified with, it had wings and generally you would imagine he would take the form of the most powerful creature with wings, a high dragon, particularly as they are known for breathing fire and lightning, both of which he is credited with doing. I can't think of any other mythical creature that would fit the remit.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 21, 2024 8:51:56 GMT
.they wouldn't even let us execute Samson. Or Fiona. We didn't even get to judge her. We could kill her on the Templar path but if you opt for the mages, then she stays as their leader regardless. I was fuming about that. It almost made me glad that Vivienne did end up effectively Grand Enchanter by the end (I will never accept that she could ever have been Divine). Fiona constantly betrayed people both in Asunder and the game, made terrible decisions, allied with the enemy (whether that is Corypheus or simply Tevinter) and yet she gets a free pass. My canon run is definitely the Templar path (and then I disband them). Fiona get's all that and I didn't even get to bang her. I was entirely dissatisfied with the Divine choice...I pretty much go with Cassandra as she's the least bad choice imo...I don't even bother recruiting Vivienne anymore (I think I stopped after maybe 3 times). The right choice would have been Mother Giselle with Cassandra and Leliana staying as right and left hands.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2024 8:56:37 GMT
While natural High Dragons are all female, supernatural ones aren’t. Six of the Seven Old Gods are male after all(one reason I don’t think they’re the Evanuris). We originally thought all seven were male. If they were wrong about one, they could be wrong about all of them. Even if all of them are right, the spirit's gender expression doesn't need to match the sex of the dragon host. Hakkon is identified as male, but it is explicitly stated that his host was originally a perfectly normal high dragon, which means that it was female before being possessed. The Old Gods even changed sex over time. Whilst Razikale would always seem to have been female, Zazikel was the goddess of freedom, who changed to the god of chaos and there seems a strong possibility to me that Andoral may well have been a goddess too when associated with unity (fertility and marriage) but then altered to the god of slaves. Likely the change in perception of the gods reflected a change during the formation of the Imperium from males and females having equal authority, or even females having greater authority (as in Rivain) to a male dominated hierarchy. A similar thing happened when the Imperial Chantry broke away from the south, so the Imperial Divine and high ranks in the clergy are always male in contrast to the southern Chantry. Dorian mentioned how the female Altus do not approve of this state of affairs.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 21, 2024 9:02:02 GMT
Wow, I was joking when I said he’s like a Johnny Silverhand. I didn’t think they’d actually do that. We better get to rebuke and confront him as hard as V could Johnny. If it's like TIM where we can disagree but still be his lapdog I’m going to be pissed. I wonder if rejecting Solas will sort of be bad too, like you couldn't get the secret (best?) ending if you antagonized Johnny too much... I do have a feeling that redeeming Solas in some way is going to be the good path. I'm not opposed per se if done right but depending on how much the game asks you to forgive Solas this could be very controversial. And naturally my own dream scenario is very different and a choice for the very end of the last game with actual world changing consequences like in ME3. Only of course done less cheaply...
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 21, 2024 9:26:13 GMT
Trying to force some kind of a connection between Solas and the new protagonist was of course expected but I don't know about... '' Solas sees much of himself in you '' uhhhhhhhhhh right. Okay. Not really sure about that, especially since I doubt that Rook is going to be wildly different from the Inquisitor. He says less or more the same to the Inquisitor in DAI/Trespasser (with high approval)
So did mouse in the mage origin in DAO.
It's a way to build trust and report... Yeah this is classic gaslighting. "We're much alike, you'd do the same as me in my shoes, trust me on this. I'm not the bad guy here, you know that." The guardian in BG3 says this too to build trust and manipulate you into doing what they want. As long as BioWare doesn't expect us to swallow all that and pretend like that's the truth Solas can say whatever he wants to save his ass. Hell, it's not like I don't understand why he does what he does. He meant well once upon a time. But that time has passed and now he's just a threat to all of modern day Thedas. I'm fine with Solas trying to sweet talk Rook. What I wouldn't like at all is BioWare being the one gaslighting the player into a poor Solas narrative. I hope his character remains very morally gray and it's up to the player to decide what they think about him.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 21, 2024 9:33:20 GMT
I don't really see the possibility of your approach towards Solas changing the outcome of the story in drastic ways, but if you are required to coddle him to spare yourself and your companions from unnecessary death and turmoil, I'm holding all the Solas-wives accountable for that bullshit. (Jk jk)
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Post by Reznore on Jun 21, 2024 9:59:02 GMT
Yeah this is classic gaslighting. "We're much alike, you'd do the same as me in my shoes, trust me on this. I'm not the bad guy here, you know that." The guardian in BG3 says this too to build trust and manipulate you into doing what they want. Solas is a godlike being who can go on his merry way and try to reshape the world to whatever he feels is best. We've never played a godlike being, and unless there's some massive weird twist we're not playing Rook the god. So we end up in a scenario like a billionaire telling a minimum wage worker, we're so alike! I hate manipulative stuff. Even Vivienne, who I enjoy as a character, pissed me off to no end when she tries to manipulate her way to the Divine Throne, and the Inky is there playing dumb.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jun 21, 2024 10:19:14 GMT
I wonder if the reason the voice actor of Flemeth isn’t in this game is because if we hear Mythal’s voice it’ll be Mythal’s actual voice instead of Flemeth’s. I think it was Mark Darrah who said that they couldn't afford to get Kate Mulgrew anymore. Edit. I started to wonder where I got that from so I went digging. It's in Mark's playthrough of DA2, first part. At 37:20, Mark says about Flemeth's voice actor Kate Mulgrew: "She got too expensive with 'Orange Is The New Black' to kind of keep her in a big role". r
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 21, 2024 10:31:31 GMT
Wow, I was joking when I said he’s like a Johnny Silverhand. I didn’t think they’d actually do that. We better get to rebuke and confront him as hard as V could Johnny. If it's like TIM where we can disagree but still be his lapdog I’m going to be pissed. I wonder if rejecting Solas will sort of be bad too, like you couldn't get the secret (best?) ending if you antagonized Johnny too much... I do have a feeling that redeeming Solas in some way is going to be the good path. I'm not opposed per se if done right but depending on how much the game asks you to forgive Solas this could be very controversial. And naturally my own dream scenario is very different and a choice for the very end of the last game with actual world changing consequences like in ME3. Only of course done less cheaply... Yeah i'm sure Weekes will be desperately trying to push a tearful redemption arc. Personally as far as i'm concerned i'm with Ripley in "Well, I'm gonna make sure they nail you right to the wall for this! You're not gonna sleaze your way out of this one! Right to the wall!"Consequences be damned.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 21, 2024 10:37:10 GMT
I think it was Mark Darrah who said that they couldn't afford to get Kate Mulgrew anymore. Edit. I started to wonder where I got that from so I went digging. It's in Mark's playthrough of DA2, first part. At 37:20, Mark says about Flemeth's voice actor Kate Mulgrew: "She got too expensive with 'Orange Is The New Black' to kind of keep her in a big role". r Well, pass the torch to Morrigan then and all is well. You guys have set this up nicely already in DAI. Let's go! Or has Claudia Back gotten too expensive too?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2024 11:13:45 GMT
Yeah this is classic gaslighting. "We're much alike, you'd do the same as me in my shoes, trust me on this. I'm not the bad guy here, you know that." The guardian in BG3 says this too to build trust and manipulate you into doing what they want. Solas is a godlike being who can go on his merry way and try to reshape the world to whatever he feels is best. We've never played a godlike being, and unless there's some massive weird twist we're not playing Rook the god. So we end up in a scenario like a billionaire telling a minimum wage worker, we're so alike! I hate manipulative stuff. Even Vivienne, who I enjoy as a character, pissed me off to no end when she tries to manipulate her way to the Divine Throne, and the Inky is there playing dumb. I don't know it would seem to be a little on the shortsighted side if a writer paints themselves into a corner and does not imagine building up a wide variety of connections between characters. In fiction as in real life a Billionaire can have grown up poor, or who knows what they might recognize in a low wage employee. Most Billionares start from somewhere afterall. Relative power scailing is also a thing. Speaking of billionaires in fiction be it Oliver Queen or Batman they may be Billionares so quite beyond our position in life, but compared to a universe of speedsters, supermen, gods, Amazons, and aliens they are relatively the everyman. Similarly SOlas may be a 'god' with the power of a dozen mages but he was fighting an entire cabal of gods who were as powerful, if not more so, then he was. This forced him to fight a guerilla war against these far more powerful forces, he talked about this with Sera, about building a network of agents and building an underground against the rest of the Evanuris. Rook is in a similar position, if nothing else. Rook has to fight some of those same gods, does not have a lot of power, so he is like Solas to where he has to fight these, on paper, greatly superior forces. Maybe this will involve Rook building their own network? Edit. I started to wonder where I got that from so I went digging. It's in Mark's playthrough of DA2, first part. At 37:20, Mark says about Flemeth's voice actor Kate Mulgrew: "She got too expensive with 'Orange Is The New Black' to kind of keep her in a big role". r Well, pass the torch to Morrigan then and all is well. You guys have set this up nicely already in DAI. Let's go! Or has Claudia Back gotten too expensive too? I have the supposition that no matter what the reasons for not being able to get Claudia as well that when Solas absorbed Mythal he effectively took over her role in the plot. Which probably included roping Morrigan's in with it.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 21, 2024 12:05:51 GMT
I speculate we'll fight at least 10 dragons in the game But...but, Inquisition had 10. Surely there must be 20 in this game cause gamers want more. Sadly, I suspect, one of the best aspects of DAI will be reduced in this game...I could see it being like 2. Elgar'nan being one...I'm assuming the huge dragon at the end of the reveal trailer is him. I would like for 20. Heck, I would be ok if there's 50. In DAI I would make an effort not to attack just to listen to the soundtrack. My only hope here is that ". ..who hate Solas, people who want to kick Solas off of a building – I think that we give you the opportunity to bring that to a close,.." and " The most interesting villains to myself, and honestly most people, are not just straight up, 'I want to end the world.' To them, they are the heroes of the story, and Solas is no exception," means the game is not going to spend hours trying to make me believe Solas isn't the villain and he's just another TIM I can shove to the side. One of the best bits of ME2 is when you can cut TIM off abruptly at the end. We did what we set out to do, now F*** off. You can say it's one of the best bit's, but I view it as without the help of Cerberus, TIM, nothing would have been done. Do you believe the circus, I mean Alliance, would have done anything? I'm ok with that as well. Yes Even Hawke will say that when helping Anders at the beginning. But in this case, it would be fitting for the elf. .they wouldn't even let us execute Samson. Or Fiona. We didn't even get to judge her. We could kill her on the Templar path but if you opt for the mages, then she stays as their leader regardless. I was fuming about that. It almost made me glad that Vivienne did end up effectively Grand Enchanter by the end (I will never accept that she could ever have been Divine). Fiona constantly betrayed people both in Asunder and the game, made terrible decisions, allied with the enemy (whether that is Corypheus or simply Tevinter) and yet she gets a free pass. My canon run is definitely the Templar path (and then I disband them). ah yes Fiona. Now she is one piece of crap. Her and Solas would make a perfect couple. Or Fiona. We didn't even get to judge her. We could kill her on the Templar path but if you opt for the mages, then she stays as their leader regardless. I was fuming about that. It almost made me glad that Vivienne did end up effectively Grand Enchanter by the end (I will never accept that she could ever have been Divine). Fiona constantly betrayed people both in Asunder and the game, made terrible decisions, allied with the enemy (whether that is Corypheus or simply Tevinter) and yet she gets a free pass. My canon run is definitely the Templar path (and then I disband them). Fiona get's all that and I didn't even get to bang her. I was entirely dissatisfied with the Divine choice...I pretty much go with Cassandra as she's the least bad choice imo...I don't even bother recruiting Vivienne anymore (I think I stopped after maybe 3 times). The right choice would have been Mother Giselle with Cassandra and Leliana staying as right and left hands. I liked choosing Vivienne for divine. But what I would have done, and just for a good laugh, is have the option to make Sera divine. Wow, I was joking when I said he’s like a Johnny Silverhand. I didn’t think they’d actually do that. We better get to rebuke and confront him as hard as V could Johnny. If it's like TIM where we can disagree but still be his lapdog I’m going to be pissed. I wonder if rejecting Solas will sort of be bad too, like you couldn't get the secret (best?) ending if you antagonized Johnny too much... I have every intention of being a **** towards the elf, if the game allows it. If it lead's to not getting the best ending.......well that depend's on what the other ending's are. Hmmmm.......If this turns out to be true, I will have to watch it on youtube to see if it's worth pursuing. At the moment, I have no intention of redeeming chuckles.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 21, 2024 12:10:08 GMT
This has become the real speculation thread :3 I speculate we'll fight at least 10 dragons in the game I have never killed all the Dragons in DAI. I just cannot do it. I know it's a game and it's fake but I (and I have hunted in my childhood) don't care for hunting or harming animals. The Dragons I killed in DAI were those directly interfering with settlements or the Inquisition. That Dragon in the Wastes is a good example of one I have never killed in multiple playthroughs. She's sleeping and snoring like a lamb and I wouldn't wake her up to harm her for the world.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 21, 2024 12:11:55 GMT
See and people were saying BioWare wouldn't be inspired by anything Larian did... but this whole thing with Solas in our head and convos etc... I don't like that. Because this was for me kind of stupid. But i don't like the writing in BG3 anyway. So hope if Bioware take inspiration from it, because haveing someone in your head is a musst have now a days, please with Bioware writing. I very much liked the writing but I did find they cranked the horny up to 11 and it got ridiculous. May I never see Wyll's little dance again...eek!
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