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Post by azarhal on Jun 22, 2024 14:59:10 GMT
Which is a better name Antivan Crows or the House of Crows? The correct way to refer to a group of crows is actually "murder of crows".
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Post by helios969 on Jun 22, 2024 15:00:18 GMT
Which is a better name Antivan Crows or the House of Crows? Definitely the first.
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Post by phoray on Jun 22, 2024 15:26:03 GMT
I like the thought that the reason the names are dumb is for the dumb newbies who don't know shit about the lore of the world.
The names aren't for us.
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All mages in Nevarra are Mortalitasi, not all mages in Nevarra work at the Grand Necropolis and of those who work at the Grand Necropolis, not all of them are part of the Mourn Watch since it is the guards and magical investigation branch of the Grand Necropolis and not all members are mages even. Not true. According to World of Thedas the Mortalitasi have always been mages specifically linked to the Grand Necropolis and the burial practices unique to Nevarra. It is how they managed to evade Chantry oversight and being herded into Circles. So, if all mages in Nevarra are Mortalitassi it is to maintain this freedom and all are officially linked to the Grand Necropolis, even if in reality they do not spend much time there but as advisers to the nobility, in particular the King. In fact it is probably true that high born mages in Nevarra do not get involved greatly in the mundane tasks of the Grand Necropolis. As for the Mourn Watch that is a sub-faction that was first revealed in Tevinter Nights. There is no mention of them in any codex or lore book before then. However, since they are principally engaged in administration of the Grand Necropolis and maintaining the guard of its precincts, that could explain why they are not generally known outside of Nevarra as likely they seldom travel beyond its borders and rarely get involved with foreign dignitaries visiting the Nevarran Court either.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 22, 2024 16:09:20 GMT
All mages in Nevarra are Mortalitasi, not all mages in Nevarra work at the Grand Necropolis and of those who work at the Grand Necropolis, not all of them are part of the Mourn Watch since it is the guards and magical investigation branch of the Grand Necropolis and not all members are mages even. Not true. According to World of Thedas the Mortalitasi have always been mages specifically linked to the Grand Necropolis and the burial practices unique to Nevarra. It is how they managed to evade Chantry oversight and being herded into Circles. So, if all mages in Nevarra are Mortalitassi it is to maintain this freedom and all are officially linked to the Grand Necropolis, even if in reality they do not spend much time there but as advisers to the nobility, in particular the King. In fact it is probably true that high born mages in Nevarra do not get involved greatly in the mundane tasks of the Grand Necropolis. As for the Mourn Watch that is a sub-faction that was first revealed in Tevinter Nights. There is no mention of them in any codex or lore book before then. However, since they are principally engaged in administration of the Grand Necropolis and maintaining the guard of its precincts, that could explain why they are not generally known outside of Nevarra as likely they seldom travel beyond its borders and rarely get involved with foreign dignitaries visiting the Nevarran Court either. Go play DAI as a Mage again and ask Cassandra and Viuus about Mortalitasi, both are clear: all mages in Nevarra are Mortalitasi. I just talked to Viuus last night in fact.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 22, 2024 16:43:56 GMT
Not true. According to World of Thedas the Mortalitasi have always been mages specifically linked to the Grand Necropolis and the burial practices unique to Nevarra. It is how they managed to evade Chantry oversight and being herded into Circles. So, if all mages in Nevarra are Mortalitassi it is to maintain this freedom and all are officially linked to the Grand Necropolis, even if in reality they do not spend much time there but as advisers to the nobility, in particular the King. In fact it is probably true that high born mages in Nevarra do not get involved greatly in the mundane tasks of the Grand Necropolis. As for the Mourn Watch that is a sub-faction that was first revealed in Tevinter Nights. There is no mention of them in any codex or lore book before then. However, since they are principally engaged in administration of the Grand Necropolis and maintaining the guard of its precincts, that could explain why they are not generally known outside of Nevarra as likely they seldom travel beyond its borders and rarely get involved with foreign dignitaries visiting the Nevarran Court either. Go play DAI as a Mage again and ask Cassandra and Viuus about Mortalitasi, both are clear: all mages in Nevarra are Mortalitasi. I just talked to Viuus last night in fact. It also says so in Tevinter Nights. Direct quote: "Every mage in the kingdom of Nevarra was part of the Mortalitasi, a group that trained the gifted in the mysteries of magic." p.52
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 22, 2024 18:05:34 GMT
Go play DAI as a Mage again and ask Cassandra and Viuus about Mortalitasi, both are clear: all mages in Nevarra are Mortalitasi. I just talked to Viuus last night in fact. Right, so as I said, if all mages in Nevarra are Mortalitassi, according to World of Thedas (the official lore book) they are automatically all associated with the Grand Necropolis. The order came into being specifically to serve in the death rites associated with that structure. I didn't make this stuff up, I paid good money to be educated in it. Direct quote: "Every mage in the kingdom of Nevarra was part of the Mortalitasi, a group that trained the gifted in the mysteries of magic." p.52 The gifted mysteries of magic they are trained in are those associated with the Grand Necropolis because the Mortalitassi have always been associated with it. Effectively it is the Nevarran equivalent of a Circle where all mages are trained.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2024 19:18:23 GMT
If Varric/Inky is a sacrifice he's willing to make, why didn't he kill them when he's had the opportunity? It's Solas allowing them to live and chase after him that has ultimately led to the disruption of his ritual. It's not weird if you actually listen to what he says, or muse a little about who "his people" are, and what he intends to restore. And yes, it was pretty much always about the survival of Thedas - just like it was when he pushed away the Fade (a thing he dearly loved) from the world and destroyed Elvenhan, but saved the world and the people from Evanuris destroying the entire world. The same gods he intended to still contain, away from Thedas. From perspective of Solas at the time, Felassan was a traitor. You know, quite like...: Btw. Leliana and hardening/unhardening her is deliberately written in Inquisition as a mirror of Solas. He can't will himself to pull the trigger directly. He'll allow the chaos he sows to do the job for him, much like he did when he condemned his people to their tragic fate when he put the Veil in place to begin with. He does what he does then the consequences aren't something he has to look at when he goes to sleep, or in this case, back to his ideal world. The guy who led an Empire-wide rebellion against 6 overpowered god-kings - who you claim has killed Felassan merely for daring to disobey him - can't will himself to pull the trigger directly against a guy who's about to pull the trigger on him and disrupt the ritual Solas has been preparing for all this time? ...OOC much? Also, he didn't just lift the Veil and go to sleep to avoid seeing the chaos he unlashed or something - in Trespasser we find out that the effort to lift the Veil has drained and injured* him, to a point that he was unconscious for millennia and awoke still weak (which is why he couldn't open his Orb, and that's how he came up with an emergency plan for Venatori leader to open it). *(we know that he was injured in some way from Cole's cryptic comments in Trespasser: "He broke the dreams to stop the old dreams from waking. The wolf chews its leg off to escape the trap.") He broke the dreams to stop the old dreams from waking... Cole's cryptic comments are not the only clue we have to infer that the Veil was a desperate, last-ditch effort to save what he can from something terrible, so all those claims that attribute shallower motivations to him, or characterize him in a way that go against what we have established in the game... eh, you know what? Given what we already saw, I have a feeling they didn't change this much since Inquisition/Trespasser, so when DAVe ventures deep into Solas' backstory I just hope some people won't start complaining that this is all coming out of nowhere. Because no - enough information was in the text for a decade now. Like, a lot of times I'm not miffed that some people choose to interpret the character in this or that way, but that they're literally ignoring quite important chunks of the story, for whatever reason. No, he did not - he specifically said that he lifted the Veil, because if he did not, the Evanuris would destroy the entire world. It's there, in the game. Evanuris killing Mythal was a prerequisite for that - they've killed Mythal because she either held them back, kept some sort of power or knowledge from Evanuris (the myth with Andruil suggests it may have been knowledge how to enter the Void), or they've found out she's been collaborating with Fen'Harel (we also know from Trespasser - if we drink from the Well Of Sorrows, that she knew the secret passphrase that only the Dread Wolf allies knew). Or all three. And considering that we now know that the Evanuris are Blighted, it's not hard to guess what kind of power that was. He's exactly like Leliana in Inquisition - a burnt idealist, whose faith (in his case, very likely: in people) we can restore, or turn into a cynic who will justify any means to get to certain ends.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2024 19:39:32 GMT
Funnily enough, a lot of Solavellans stick to the romance specifically because of that - the DRAMA Some peeps seem to think that most want a happy ending, a house with white fence and some nice retirement plan, while at least half of the most vocal fans are like SHATTER MY HEART, PATRICK WEEKES!! I get that. I understand the allure of tragic romances. I know it's all about the heart break. My favorite romances are complicated ones too. The can't be together for reasons ones always do it for me. Especially the slow burn ones where they might never get to actually be together or just for a day. Personally I just got more and more frustrated with Solas as a person even while I romanced him. Did some stuff he got really pissy about and that was not a sexy look. I did not enjoy the romance part of the romance at all. Not how he went about seducing my girl nor the being together part. I would have switched to Cass in a heartbeat if that had been possible. It was saved by the excellent break-up scene. THAT was the only part of the romance arc I liked and in the end made me glad I suffered through it for the story impact. But Solas as a lover did absolutely nothing for me and Solas the genocidal maniac didn't help either. But yeah, I am kind of looking forward to the drama of inky mercy killing Solas maybe and he being OK with it. I have to ask... what seduction? There was virtually no seduction - Solas can flirt and be playful a few times, but remains reluctant about the whole thing, warning several times that this is a bad idea, so it's not like the break-up scene is coming completely out of nowhere. I mean, the guy is trying to keep everyone at a distance, and him being pissy, or sassy or detached is part of that - or, at least, it helps with keeping everyone away. So I think a lot of those who romanced him are mostly intrigued about where that reluctance is coming from, or heartened by the fact that they managed to chip through the walls he's put - and that the romance managed to leave a bigger dent than friendship, though I like the friendship arc as well and am as curious about how it will end. I'm also very curious to what extent we'd be able to build relationship between Solas and Rook (not necessarily romantic one), especially that it's certainly starting very differently. But just like Inquisitor has some unique insight into Solas the Fade Nerd, Rook may have a unique insight deep into his past.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 22, 2024 19:46:35 GMT
Go play DAI as a Mage again and ask Cassandra and Viuus about Mortalitasi, both are clear: all mages in Nevarra are Mortalitasi. I just talked to Viuus last night in fact. Right, so as I said, if all mages in Nevarra are Mortalitassi, according to World of Thedas (the official lore book) they are automatically all associated with the Grand Necropolis. The order came into being specifically to serve in the death rites associated with that structure. I didn't make this stuff up, I paid good money to be educated in it. Direct quote: "Every mage in the kingdom of Nevarra was part of the Mortalitasi, a group that trained the gifted in the mysteries of magic." p.52 The gifted mysteries of magic they are trained in are those associated with the Grand Necropolis because the Mortalitassi have always been associated with it. Effectively it is the Nevarran equivalent of a Circle where all mages are trained. Cumberland, which is part of the kingdom of Nevarra since the Exalted Age, has a Circle of Magic.
And you might wan to recheck your WoT volumes, because I can't find any references to a Mortalitasi being automatically linked to the Grand Necropolis in mine, it just says they are a Nevarran mage order.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2024 19:52:40 GMT
The mourn watch, shadown dragons, Lords of Fortune and Veil Jumpers are all new. And quite frankly their names sounds stupid to me. It's one of those thing I refuse to think about too much. I mean, Lucanis's last name is "Dellamorte". You really wonder what a guy with that name does for a living... Owns a flower shop???
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 22, 2024 20:01:06 GMT
I mean, Lucanis's last name is "Dellamorte". You really wonder what a guy with that name does for a living... Owns a flower shop??? His surname in Italian means "Of Death."
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 22, 2024 20:01:51 GMT
I mean, Lucanis's last name is "Dellamorte". You really wonder what a guy with that name does for a living... Owns a flower shop??? And his business secret is really affordable fertilizer?
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2024 20:03:14 GMT
His surname in Italian means "Of Death." I know, it was a joke xD And his business secret is really affordable fertilizer? His secret fertilizer formula is why his flowers grow so abundant and pretty!
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2024 20:23:07 GMT
Which is a better name Antivan Crows or the House of Crows? The correct way to refer to a group of crows is actually "murder of crows".
If one of the quests or sub-quests related to Lucanis or Crows won't be named "a murder of crows", or something similar I will be very unhappy
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 22, 2024 20:27:50 GMT
Cumberland, which is part of the kingdom of Nevarra since the Exalted Age, has a Circle of Magic. Yes, and that was the official seat of the Grand Enchanter, who in Asunder and DAI was Fiona. She was a Grey Warden who after being cured of the taint left them and rejoined the Circle system in the south (with the intent of destroying it from within). She originally came from Orlais, so I suppose it is a matter of opinion if you consider her to be a mage of Nevarra or not, since she is not a native, just resided there. The building in Cumberland was originally gifted to the Chantry by a leading figure in the city because their daughter turned out a mage and she wanted her to be able to live in the manner to which she had become accustomed. I am not clear if this was when Cumberland was under the control of Orlais or not but probably the former as it has the bust of every Grand Enchanter for the last 600 years which would pre-date the Exalted Age. This Circle is aligned with the Chantry in Val Royeaux and not with the King in Nevarra City or the Mortalitassi. It just happens to be in Nevarra now that their borders shifted to encompass it some time in the past. The Mortalitassi were founded by a Tevinter mage who was adviser to King Casper when Nevarra was just a city state to the north of Orlais. (p.53 WoT). She first preached the idea of spirits being displaced from the Fade on death and the rites associated with mummifying corpses to provide a safe host for capturing these spirits. (p.56). These corpses are then placed in the Grand Necropolis. This is the purpose and function of the Mortalitassi Order. Thus every member of the Mortalitassi is connected to some degree with the Grand Necropolis. Tevinter Nights says that the Mourn Watch are the elite guardians of the Grand Necropolis, so in other words the elite members at the top of the Mortalitassi.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 22, 2024 20:30:37 GMT
I was re-reading the article and it mentioned how the quest involving the Nadas Dirthara has the group fighting against Sentinels as well as demons and darkspawn. Does that mean we will be fighting waves of ancient elves once more?
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I was re-reading the article and it mentioned how the quest involving the Nadas Dirthara has the group fighting against Sentinels as well as demons and darkspawn. Does that mean we will be fighting waves of ancient elves once more? sentinels seem to be suits of possessed armor in this case.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 22, 2024 20:45:39 GMT
I was re-reading the article and it mentioned how the quest involving the Nadas Dirthara has the group fighting against Sentinels as well as demons and darkspawn. Does that mean we will be fighting waves of ancient elves once more? No, those Sentinels are possessed empty armors.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 22, 2024 20:47:02 GMT
sentinels seem to be suits of possessed armor in this case. Well that's a relief. I really didn't want to be forced into killing elves that were simply protecting their home base, although historically I do know that the ancient elves of Arlathan Forest were very protective of their domain and killed anyone who strayed in or even came on a peace mission (as the ambassador of the Imperium did initially), just as the Sentinels did in the south. However, I had understood that they were dead long since.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2024 20:56:19 GMT
I was re-reading the article and it mentioned how the quest involving the Nadas Dirthara has the group fighting against Sentinels as well as demons and darkspawn. Does that mean we will be fighting waves of ancient elves once more? I think the Sentinel in GI article is described more as a construct? Kinda like vaterrall, but made out of metal (which is also probably why Bellara is proficient in using electricity - electricity usually has a bonus against metal constructs) So far they say nothing about the involvement of elves and ancient elves. That doesn't mean there isn't any - I mean, they're clearly avoiding some info (like that about how Inquisitor is involved in the plot; or Varric's whereabouts after the ritual), but it may be because they want to keep some parts of the game un-spoiled.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 22, 2024 21:06:25 GMT
I have to ask... what seduction? There was virtually no seduction - Solas can flirt and be playful a few times, but remains reluctant about the whole thing, warning several times that this is a bad idea, so it's not like the break-up scene is coming completely out of nowhere. It's been 10 years so I don't remember much but I recall him being all swagger in one scene and definitely confident even if somewhat reluctant at the same time. That's how I remember it anyway. *shrugs*
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2024 21:27:09 GMT
I have to ask... what seduction? There was virtually no seduction - Solas can flirt and be playful a few times, but remains reluctant about the whole thing, warning several times that this is a bad idea, so it's not like the break-up scene is coming completely out of nowhere. It's been 10 years so I don't remember much but I recall him being all swagger in one scene and definitely confident even if somewhat reluctant at the same time. That's how I remember it anyway. *shrugs* The moments Solas jokes, gets comfy around companions or is 'all swagger', etc. are usually interpreted as flashes of Solas from behind the walls he's built around himself, that Inquisitor or companions manage to chip through at times. For the most part, he's a very guarded individual who likes to keep people at a distance, for a variety of reasons.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jun 22, 2024 21:44:52 GMT
Okay so I’m starting to realize they cut out a bunch of stuff from the gameplay video to save us from spoilers. Like vital spoiler stuff. That being said… Something definitely happens to Varric. Like, I can’t see him not joining us in The Lighthouse unless something happens to him. I can really only speculate of course, but some things stick out to me: 1. We learn that Rook’s blood interacted with the ritual and they are forever bound to The Fade. 2. The weapon somehow ends up at the bottom of the staircase. 3. A lot of rubble from Solas gets blasted everywhere. 4. A tear opens up that releases The Gods. 5. Solas is crying at the end. I think, somehow, Rook gets cut with the ritual blade (or their blood is touched by the ritual blade) which explains how their blood interacts with the ritual. Possibly the blade gets blown back by Solas’ own explosion? But regarding Varric… could that be why Solas is crying at the end? Because Varric gets killed? Like, I don’t want to believe it, but I almost wonder if his death essentially acts as a sacrifice that then unlocks the prison and awakens Ghili and Elgar’nan? I just… hope he’s okay! But where else could he be? What else could happen to him?
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 22, 2024 22:19:33 GMT
Okay so I’m starting to realize they cut out a bunch of stuff from the gameplay video to save us from spoilers. Like vital spoiler stuff. That being said… Something definitely happens to Varric. Like, I can’t see him not joining us in The Lighthouse unless something happens to him. I can really only speculate of course, but some things stick out to me: 1. We learn that Rook’s blood interacted with the ritual and they are forever bound to The Fade. 2. The weapon somehow ends up at the bottom of the staircase. 3. A lot of rubble from Solas gets blasted everywhere. 4. A tear opens up that releases The Gods. 5. Solas is crying at the end. I think, somehow, Rook gets cut with the ritual blade (or their blood is touched by the ritual blade) which explains how their blood interacts with the ritual. Possibly the blade gets blown back by Solas’ own explosion? But regarding Varric… could that be why Solas is crying at the end? Because Varric gets killed? Like, I don’t want to believe it, but I almost wonder if his death essentially acts as a sacrifice that then unlocks the prison and awakens Ghili and Elgar’nan? I just… hope he’s okay! But where else could he be? What else could happen to him? I assumed toppling their statues released those two gods. It's hard to make out where Varric is at the end. There are two possibilities excluding death and that are 1) He was wounded badly and returned to the Inquisition or to get the Inquisitor or 2) He is also trapped in the fade.
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