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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jun 22, 2024 22:45:05 GMT
But it wasn’t just Ghili and Elgar’nan’s statues that got affected. It was also the one with the vertical horn that toppled over. Remember, there are two lit domes we’ve seen since TDWR teaser mural - I think that has more to do with it than anything.
What eases me is the fact that one community council member (Ashe, Lady Insanity on YouTube) joked that he dies. I doubt she’d spoil something like that. This was in response to Kala, another member on the council who asked the fanbase what they think happened to him.
I’m hoping something happens that we can’t even put our minds to yet - like how Harding gains magical powers. Never would have guessed that. Maybe his dwarven blood is put into play. Shit, maybe he just goes missing lol.
I just don’t want him to die. But then why would Solas be crying? He’s crying before he realizes Ghili and Elgar’nan are released. Then again, a lot of stuff seems to happen in between the scenes we watched.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2024 23:10:50 GMT
Okay so I’m starting to realize they cut out a bunch of stuff from the gameplay video to save us from spoilers. Like vital spoiler stuff. That being said… Something definitely happens to Varric. Like, I can’t see him not joining us in The Lighthouse unless something happens to him. Well, yeah... they pretty much told us so in the gameplay reveal: that the video has been "edited for brevity and to avoid any major spoilers". (also, 4 mln views on the gameplay reveal vid on YouTube? Nice)We also know that we only saw 20 minutes from the opening section that apparently lasts at least an hour (and those who saw that hour still mention that it was a truncated version of the opening) - so yeah, I assume that the 40 mins or so that they didn't show us is not all combat and travel. ...I just have to chuckle at the fact that all the meaty reveals about Solas/Rook/Lighthouse are apparently less of a spoiler than revealing the post-ritual whereabouts of Varric, or the extent of Inquisitor's involvement 1. It's very likely why they want to avoid blood magic. 2. Is that confirmed? I think I only see a blurred silhouette - of either a chunk of rubble or someone lying at the base of the stairs - and some sort of bright green light emanating from that spot, that... ahem... looks almost like the light of the Anchor? Heyyyy, speculation - what if the dagger is some sort of repository for Inky's Anchor? Solas does say in Trespasser that the mark's purpose was to tear down the Veil, after all. In any case - it's really hard to say what happened, because we don't even know how much content they've cut - we only know that *something substantial* was indeed removed, given the noticeable narrative jumps, and the fact that the tear went from a small'ish opening to thrice as wide as the staircase. 5. I'm not sure if this is Solas crying, or that's just a raindrop rolling down his cheek? It's raining after all and he has no hood, and if you look closely, other characters have the same raindrop decal on their faces. Could've been anything, really. Given that we already know that Harding ended up with some sort of magical powers, maybe just the proximity to events was enough to result with some sort of connection to the Fade - hard to say to what extent it affected everyone but Rook. But so far they make it seem like Rook was the only one that was close enough to talk with Solas. Solas implies that, when all is said and done after he tears down the Veil, some sort of fate awaits him that he wouldn't wish on an enemy. But given that he's all alone for his ritual, I don't think there was any need for some sort of living sacrifice. Also, I'm pretty sure what unleased the Evanuris was Rook disrupting the ritual - Solas does scream 'noooo!' very dramatically when he sees the statues topple, like THEY were a crucial element of the ritual. It's going to be very funny if it turns out that we'll all prepare ourselves for either Varric's death or getting himself trapped in the Fade together with Solas... only for us to get back to Minrathous and meet him in some tavern, being like 'heyyyyyy, what took you so long?'
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Post by colfoley on Jun 22, 2024 23:13:46 GMT
Amusing thought occurred to me.
Other potential relationship inspiration for Solas/ Rook...Rey and Kylo Ren. At least without the romantic overtones but I could see Rook going "you monster" to only him having any real connection and be like "man got a point".
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2024 23:26:19 GMT
Amusing thought occurred to me. Other potential relationship inspiration for Solas/ Rook...Rey and Kylo Ren. At least without the romantic overtones but I could see Rook going "you monster" to only him having any real connection and be like "man got a point". I mean, John Epler saying this in the expansion to GI article:
...Particularly the phrasing " you can start to see him" is - IMO - a pretty straightforward admission that they're totally preparing stuff that is meant to... maybe not sympathize, but at least make us understand where he's coming from (and that where he's coming from is likely not as straightforward as it's sometimes assumed). What it will lead to, and whether it will be enough for some people... I guess we shall see. After all, the fact that Solas will very likely be painted as sympathetic doesn't mean that in the end even those that sympathize with him won't have to stop him, or something will happen that will result with some sort of Very Sad Ending. Hard to say at this point - although I do expect we'll get more than one option to resolve his fate.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 22, 2024 23:38:24 GMT
It was inevitable that actually writing a game set in the north would result in new lore, groups, and locations we've never heard of being created.
Shadow dragons, veil Jumpers, mourn watch and Lords of Fortune may be new to us, and created after dai/wot2, but that doesn't mean they are new to Thedas or came out of nowhere in-world. In-world they can have been around for centuries and well earned their reputation and status.
In-world our pcs never happened to come upon a book, note, or npc who mentioned them during the time we were playing them and may or may not have heard of them before, after, or during time skips in the events of their games. The out-of-world real life reason they didn't is because the writer's hadn't made them yet, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 23, 2024 0:04:28 GMT
Also: I like the thought that the reason the names are dumb is for the dumb newbies who don't know shit about the lore of the world. The names aren't for us. Folks, words like endonym and exonym exist for a reason It is entirely normal - even expected - for certain groups to use different names in different parts of the world. Or them using at least somewhat different names for themselves than using those used by others to describe them. Like, I can totally see why Antivans and actual Crows use "House of Crows" (likely endonym) rather than "Antivan Crows" (likely exonym)
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Post by colfoley on Jun 23, 2024 0:12:12 GMT
Amusing thought occurred to me. Other potential relationship inspiration for Solas/ Rook...Rey and Kylo Ren. At least without the romantic overtones but I could see Rook going "you monster" to only him having any real connection and be like "man got a point". I mean, John Epler saying this in the expansion to GI article:
...Particularly the phrasing " you can start to see him" is - IMO - a pretty straightforward admission that they're totally preparing stuff that is meant to... maybe not sympathize, but at least make us understand where he's coming from (and that where he's coming from is likely not as straightforward as it's sometimes assumed). What it will lead to, and whether it will be enough for some people... I guess we shall see. After all, the fact that Solas will very likely be painted as sympathetic doesn't mean that in the end even those that sympathize with him won't have to stop him, or something will happen that will result with some sort of Very Sad Ending. Hard to say at this point - although I do expect we'll get more than one option to resolve his fate. I mean this puts me in mind of the Arishok from 2. Sympathetic to him, still had to fight him in the end.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 23, 2024 6:19:08 GMT
Also: I like the thought that the reason the names are dumb is for the dumb newbies who don't know shit about the lore of the world. The names aren't for us. Folks, words like endonym and exonym exist for a reason It is entirely normal - even expected - for certain groups to use different names in different parts of the world. Or them using at least somewhat different names for themselves than using those used by others to describe them. Like, I can totally see why Antivans and actual Crows use "House of Crows" (likely endonym) rather than "Antivan Crows" (likely exonym) Excellent point. I think your faction is the Order of Literary Radiance...or in my neck of the woods...Librarians.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 23, 2024 7:48:18 GMT
I mean this puts me in mind of the Arishok from 2. Sympathetic to him, still had to fight him in the end. Not necessarily. If Isabella returns with the Tome of Koslun, if you give him the book and her, he leaves in peace. Something of an anti-climax and a bit hard on Isabella, but it is possible. She also has plot armour so she escapes from him in the end, leaving everyone alive (apart from the Viscount, a few nobles and a bunch of alienage elves but who's counting?)
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Post by colfoley on Jun 23, 2024 7:52:51 GMT
I mean this puts me in mind of the Arishok from 2. Sympathetic to him, still had to fight him in the end. Not necessarily. If Isabella returns with the Tome of Koslun, if you give him the book and her, he leaves in peace. Something of an anti-climax and a bit hard on Isabella, but it is possible. She also has plot armour so she escapes from him in the end, leaving everyone alive (apart from the Viscount, a few nobles and a bunch of alienage elves but who's counting?) For the record I was talking about him going on a murder spree throughout Kirkwall before that as fighting him...
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 23, 2024 7:57:37 GMT
Like, I can totally see why Antivans and actual Crows use "House of Crows" (likely endonym) rather than "Antivan Crows" (likely exonym) That's totally understandable because outsiders want to identify both the group and where they come from, whilst natives of Antiva know where they originate, so they are just the House of Crows to them. Which is why I felt that the Lords of Fortune had to be an alternative name for a group that we have already encountered if they had garnered a reputation beyond Rivain, which they must have done for outsiders to employ them for their specific talents. Thus, it is possible they see themselves as Lords of Fortune but in other parts of Thedas, particularly where people have perhaps suffered loss through their activities, they are known as Raiders. Then perhaps with Orlais being unwilling to admit they owe their deliverance from the Qun to a bunch of treasure hunters, they gave them an elevated status with the name Felicisima Armada. So three different names for one group of broadly aligned individuals that control the seas around Rivain and the eastern coast of Thedas. I am perfectly happy with that as an explanation. My previous objections have been based on the fact that they did appear to have sprung from nowhere, had never previously been mentioned and yet apparently had a Thedas wide reputation that would encourage people to use them from outside Rivain.
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Post by Envisionary on Jun 23, 2024 12:13:06 GMT
He can't will himself to pull the trigger directly. He'll allow the chaos he sows to do the job for him, much like he did when he condemned his people to their tragic fate when he put the Veil in place to begin with. He does what he does then the consequences aren't something he has to look at when he goes to sleep, or in this case, back to his ideal world. The guy who led an Empire-wide rebellion against 6 overpowered god-kings - who you claim has killed Felassan merely for daring to disobey him - can't will himself to pull the trigger directly against a guy who's about to pull the trigger on him and disrupt the ritual Solas has been preparing for all this time? ...OOC much? Also, he didn't just lift the Veil and go to sleep to avoid seeing the chaos he unlashed or something - in Trespasser we find out that the effort to lift the Veil has drained and injured* him, to a point that he was unconscious for millennia and awoke still weak (which is why he couldn't open his Orb, and that's how he came up with an emergency plan for Venatori leader to open it). *(we know that he was injured in some way from Cole's cryptic comments in Trespasser: "He broke the dreams to stop the old dreams from waking. The wolf chews its leg off to escape the trap.") He broke the dreams to stop the old dreams from waking... Cole's cryptic comments are not the only clue we have to infer that the Veil was a desperate, last-ditch effort to save what he can from something terrible, so all those claims that attribute shallower motivations to him, or characterize him in a way that go against what we have established in the game... eh, you know what? Given what we already saw, I have a feeling they didn't change this much since Inquisition/Trespasser, so when DAVe ventures deep into Solas' backstory I just hope some people won't start complaining that this is all coming out of nowhere. Because no - enough information was in the text for a decade now. Like, a lot of times I'm not miffed that some people choose to interpret the character in this or that way, but that they're literally ignoring quite important chunks of the story, for whatever reason. No, he did not - he specifically said that he lifted the Veil, because if he did not, the Evanuris would destroy the entire world. It's there, in the game. Evanuris killing Mythal was a prerequisite for that - they've killed Mythal because she either held them back, kept some sort of power or knowledge from Evanuris (the myth with Andruil suggests it may have been knowledge how to enter the Void), or they've found out she's been collaborating with Fen'Harel (we also know from Trespasser - if we drink from the Well Of Sorrows, that she knew the secret passphrase that only the Dread Wolf allies knew). Or all three. And considering that we now know that the Evanuris are Blighted, it's not hard to guess what kind of power that was. He's exactly like Leliana in Inquisition - a burnt idealist, whose faith (in his case, very likely: in people) we can restore, or turn into a cynic who will justify any means to get to certain ends.
There is a stark difference between killing an agent who worked under him vs. some borderline tranquil who he's granted the courtesy of living out their last remaining years in comfort out of Qunari control.
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I didn't say falling asleep was something he did intentionally. I mean it was very convenient for him to make an ultimately selfish decision that ruined countless lives then not needing to look at the immediate consequences. -
"You said the elven gods went too far. What did they do that made you move against them?"
"They killed Mythal. A crime for which an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment."
"-she cared for her people. She protected them."
I don't doubt they could have destroyed the world with knowledge of the Void, it's just that Solas didn't care until they killed her. Their tyranny lasted ages as gods but this was his personal breaking point.
Solas doesn't care until it affects him much like how Solas didn't care that Mythal owned slaves, believing that she "cared for her people". He really is a selfish hypocritical cynic who will justify any means to an end.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 23, 2024 13:10:23 GMT
I'm so bracing myself for BioWare whitewashing Solas to some degree or SURPRISE! reveal he somehow failed to mention something that turns everything around and makes him the hero after all.
I really hope Solas remains a highly gray and ruthless character in pursuit of his vision. I do like villains who once meant well. That is cool. That's Solas in DAI. But who ultimately lose it and need to be stopped because now they're just a menace. I'm fine sort of feeling sorry for him, Solas *is* a tragic character who never meant for things to turn out the way they did, but at the same time I want to continue feeling disgusted with all the causalities he is willing to leave behind in his wake. I loved that he didn't change his plans even as he got to know some people of this disgusting current Thedas he grew to like. Even falling in love didn't change his plans. That was great. That's the kind of fucked up shit I enjoy.
So please please, BioWare, don't ruin his character in DAV.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 23, 2024 13:33:50 GMT
So please please, BioWare, don't ruin his character in DAV. They claim it is going to be entirely down to us as a player how our "relationship" with him as Rook develops. Bear in mind it was entirely possible to play an Inquisitor who hated his guts and the feeling was mutual. I've never punched him personally but I've seen the You Tube videos where the Inquisitor does and then the difference in attitude from Solas in Trespasser. That's thing thing about Solas, the conversations you could have with him if there was mutual dislike and disapproval were markedly different throughout DAI from when he was playing on your friendship. I sought these out on line because I tend to play my PCs as reasonable, respectful and polite people so never got to see that side of him, which was a real eye opener. It was not so much of a shock to discover his deception for a hostile Inquisitor. What I would like to see is the possibility to play a Rook who doesn't take any of his bull***t but is not presented to be a jerk as a result. Equally, I don't want my polite and mild mannered Rook to be presented as a push-over just because they don't wish to punch his lights out or keep insulting him.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 23, 2024 13:42:38 GMT
So please please, BioWare, don't ruin his character in DAV. They claim it is going to be entirely down to us as a player how our "relationship" with him as Rook develops. Bear in mind it was entirely possible to play an Inquisitor who hated his guts and the feeling was mutual. I've never punched him personally but I've seen the You Tube videos where the Inquisitor does and then the difference in attitude from Solas in Trespasser. That's thing thing about Solas, the conversations you could have with him if there was mutual dislike and disapproval were markedly different throughout DAI from when he was playing on your friendship. I sought these out on line because I tend to play my PCs as reasonable, respectful and polite people so never got to see that side of him, which was a real eye opener. It was not so much of a shock to discover his deception for a hostile Inquisitor. What I would like to see is the possibility to play a Rook who doesn't take any of his bull***t but is not presented to be a jerk as a result. Equally, I don't want my polite and mild mannered Rook to be presented as a push-over just because they don't wish to punch his lights out or keep insulting him. Yeah I prefert opla yreasonable an dfriendl ycharacters a swell and I wan tm ymage Rook t ob etha twa ytoo. Suer i fsomeon ethreatens her o rher friends then yes she will hi tbac kbut onl yi fthere' sno tan option.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jun 23, 2024 15:34:49 GMT
Okay so I’m starting to realize they cut out a bunch of stuff from the gameplay video to save us from spoilers. Like vital spoiler stuff. That being said… Something definitely happens to Varric. Like, I can’t see him not joining us in The Lighthouse unless something happens to him. Well, yeah... they pretty much told us so in the gameplay reveal: that the video has been "edited for brevity and to avoid any major spoilers". (also, 4 mln views on the gameplay reveal vid on YouTube? Nice)We also know that we only saw 20 minutes from the opening section that apparently lasts at least an hour (and those who saw that hour still mention that it was a truncated version of the opening) - so yeah, I assume that the 40 mins or so that they didn't show us is not all combat and travel. ...I just have to chuckle at the fact that all the meaty reveals about Solas/Rook/Lighthouse are apparently less of a spoiler than revealing the post-ritual whereabouts of Varric, or the extent of Inquisitor's involvement 1. It's very likely why they want to avoid blood magic. 2. Is that confirmed? I think I only see a blurred silhouette - of either a chunk of rubble or someone lying at the base of the stairs - and some sort of bright green light emanating from that spot, that... ahem... looks almost like the light of the Anchor? Heyyyy, speculation - what if the dagger is some sort of repository for Inky's Anchor? Solas does say in Trespasser that the mark's purpose was to tear down the Veil, after all. In any case - it's really hard to say what happened, because we don't even know how much content they've cut - we only know that *something substantial* was indeed removed, given the noticeable narrative jumps, and the fact that the tear went from a small'ish opening to thrice as wide as the staircase. 5. I'm not sure if this is Solas crying, or that's just a raindrop rolling down his cheek? It's raining after all and he has no hood, and if you look closely, other characters have the same raindrop decal on their faces. Could've been anything, really. Given that we already know that Harding ended up with some sort of magical powers, maybe just the proximity to events was enough to result with some sort of connection to the Fade - hard to say to what extent it affected everyone but Rook. But so far they make it seem like Rook was the only one that was close enough to talk with Solas. Solas implies that, when all is said and done after he tears down the Veil, some sort of fate awaits him that he wouldn't wish on an enemy. But given that he's all alone for his ritual, I don't think there was any need for some sort of living sacrifice. Also, I'm pretty sure what unleased the Evanuris was Rook disrupting the ritual - Solas does scream 'noooo!' very dramatically when he sees the statues topple, like THEY were a crucial element of the ritual. It's going to be very funny if it turns out that we'll all prepare ourselves for either Varric's death or getting himself trapped in the Fade together with Solas... only for us to get back to Minrathous and meet him in some tavern, being like 'heyyyyyy, what took you so long?' My gosh, now that you mention the silhouette, I see it now. It appears to move, and then somewhat collapses. I had to watch the scene with my head tilted to really catch it.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jun 23, 2024 15:42:24 GMT
Amusing thought occurred to me. Other potential relationship inspiration for Solas/ Rook...Rey and Kylo Ren. At least without the romantic overtones but I could see Rook going "you monster" to only him having any real connection and be like "man got a point". I mean, John Epler saying this in the expansion to GI article:
...Particularly the phrasing " you can start to see him" is - IMO - a pretty straightforward admission that they're totally preparing stuff that is meant to... maybe not sympathize, but at least make us understand where he's coming from (and that where he's coming from is likely not as straightforward as it's sometimes assumed). What it will lead to, and whether it will be enough for some people... I guess we shall see. After all, the fact that Solas will very likely be painted as sympathetic doesn't mean that in the end even those that sympathize with him won't have to stop him, or something will happen that will result with some sort of Very Sad Ending. Hard to say at this point - although I do expect we'll get more than one option to resolve his fate. He better have a damn good story to tell, else its straight to the BBQ
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 23, 2024 16:52:30 GMT
His surname in Italian means "Of Death." That's not just his name but the name of his family. So essentially they are the House of Death. It is the house of the First Talon and pre-eminent house in the Crows, so makes sense to me. It is hardly his fault that he was raised in the House of Death and that he was trained from a young child to be a Master Assassin.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 23, 2024 17:01:26 GMT
2. Is that confirmed? I think I only see a blurred silhouette - of either a chunk of rubble or someone lying at the base of the stairs - and some sort of bright green light emanating from that spot, that... ahem... looks almost like the light of the Anchor? The problem is that when I rewatched it, it seemed to be that Rook was at the foot of the stairs. I'm not sure how he got there but there was certainly the head of someone in the final shot. I saw the green light from the other angle at the top of the stairs and it seemed to me there was no sign of either Varric or Rook but it was difficult to see properly. If Solas dropped the dagger as he was struggling to hold back the statue then it makes sense it might have bounced down to the bottom of the stairs and if Rook was there, perhaps the dagger nicked him and that accounts for why he was linked with the Fade. It would also explain why Solas got stuck because, of course, if he had retained the dagger he could probably have escaped with it. As for Varric, if he had any sense the moment the statues started to topple he should have turned tail and ran. Lots of rubble came crashing down so he could have been hit although Solas seemed to send it away from them. Perhaps he was picking up the pieces of Bianca but I think some bits of the scene must be missing because one shot he is still there at the top of the stairs near Solas and then he was gone.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 23, 2024 17:35:31 GMT
There is a stark difference between killing an agent who worked under him vs. some borderline tranquil who he's granted the courtesy of living out their last remaining years in comfort out of Qunari control.
But Varric isn't "living out their last remaining years in comfort out of Qunari control" - he's actively trying to stop him. Literally standing behind him and ready to disrupt his important ritual. And succeeding at the end, even if only because he distracted Solas from Rook enacting their wild plan. Question - if the Veil really is, without shadow of a doubt, confirmed to be the last, desperate effort to stop something terrible, and there really was no other option - in what universe this is an "ultimately selfish decision"? Please, don't cherrypick. Over here, the Inquisitor asks what did they do that made Solas move against them (after he said that they finally went too far), and in the dialogue I bring the Inquisitor asks, specifically, why is it that he's decided to create the Veil. And he tells us - because if he didn't, the Evanuris would destroy the entire world. And the prerequisite of that was killing Mythal - the only one of them characterized as a leader who cared. Okay, how did you miss the whole Fen'Harel SLAVE REBELLION thing? You know, the thing that was at least lightly hinted at in various forms since DAO? The thing that was all over Trespasser - we even visited a location which was specifically a sanctuary built and protected by Fen'Harel and his people for the slaves who ran away from Evanuris - ALL Evanuris? Like, the first thing he did when he's realized just how bad the Evanuris are (and in Trespasser we can find his bolt-hole in the Deep Roads section that has a rune holding fragments of memories from the very moment he's made a decision to stand against them) was to tell people that the Evanuris were false gods and instigate an Empire-wide slave revolt. Not the Veil. And the fact that he says that Mythal "cared for her people" is because she apparently secretly supported him and worked with him to upend the very institution she was a part of - such 'blowing a thing from inside' is not an unheard of move, neither in fiction nor history. It's only when the Evanuris killed Mythal, and were preparing to do something that would destroy the entire world that Solas made a decision to push the magic away from the world by creating the Veil. It wasn't the "breaking point" for Solas in a sense that he finally did something - it was the "breaking point" only in a sense that there were no other options left, DESPITE all the effort of Solas and others to do it the way that was far less destructive. Killing Mythal has undone all that - from that point on, it was either Veil or bust. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about - ignoring entire important chunks of the story, seemingly only because it doesn't fit with making Solas a simple selfish baddie.
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Post by Reznore on Jun 23, 2024 17:36:17 GMT
I'm so bracing myself for BioWare whitewashing Solas to some degree or SURPRISE! reveal he somehow failed to mention something that turns everything around and makes him the hero after all. I really hope Solas remains a highly gray and ruthless character in pursuit of his vision. I do like villains who once meant well. That is cool. That's Solas in DAI. But who ultimately lose it and need to be stopped because now they're just a menace. I'm fine sort of feeling sorry for him, Solas *is* a tragic character who never meant for things to turn out the way they did, but at the same time I want to continue feeling disgusted with all the causalities he is willing to leave behind in his wake. I loved that he didn't change his plans even as he got to know some people of this disgusting current Thedas he grew to like. Even falling in love didn't change his plans. That was great. That's the kind of fucked up shit I enjoy. So please please, BioWare, don't ruin his character in DAV. At best Solas realise he's a god out of control, aka villain aka Evanuris and after sacrificing everything and everyone like an ass will finally sacrifice himself for real. There's no this was a misunderstanding all along coming. Solas is unwilling to share vital information with the rest of Thedas. We know killing the archdemon was probably a mistake, but we don't know why because Solas who knows rather shit on the wardens than tell the truth. Same thing with the start of DAV, Solas is moving blighted uber gods in a safer prison, but we didn't know that because he didn't tell anybody. He told folks I'm removing the veil, bringing back the old days and your world will see massive destruction. Good luck stopping me. He's forced again to cooperate with his lessers, like in Inquisition. But we know when he has the choice well he doesn't care what anybody think or want.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 23, 2024 17:46:50 GMT
I'm so bracing myself for BioWare whitewashing Solas to some degree or SURPRISE! reveal he somehow failed to mention something that turns everything around and makes him the hero after all. I really hope Solas remains a highly gray and ruthless character in pursuit of his vision. I do like villains who once meant well. That is cool. That's Solas in DAI. But who ultimately lose it and need to be stopped because now they're just a menace. I'm fine sort of feeling sorry for him, Solas *is* a tragic character who never meant for things to turn out the way they did, but at the same time I want to continue feeling disgusted with all the causalities he is willing to leave behind in his wake. I loved that he didn't change his plans even as he got to know some people of this disgusting current Thedas he grew to like. Even falling in love didn't change his plans. That was great. That's the kind of fucked up shit I enjoy. So please please, BioWare, don't ruin his character in DAV. I'm already expecting a ME3 Mordin heroic sacrifice from Weekes after confessing his sins.
Since Trespasser he's already gone from fearsome god with army of elven agents to bumbling buffoon. Prepare for rook's tone varying from mildly reproachful to friendly. The execution blade will be lost down the back of the sofa.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 23, 2024 17:57:59 GMT
2. Is that confirmed? I think I only see a blurred silhouette - of either a chunk of rubble or someone lying at the base of the stairs - and some sort of bright green light emanating from that spot, that... ahem... looks almost like the light of the Anchor? The problem is that when I rewatched it, it seemed to be that Rook was at the foot of the stairs. I'm not sure how he got there but there was certainly the head of someone in the final shot. The head is surely Rook's, but those final moments of the gameplay reveal are so heavily edited, that it's hard to say when exactly what happens, and who else could be at the foot of the stairs with Rook - after all, there's also Harding, Neve and, of course, Varric. When Solas pushes away the statue, we see him firmly holding the dagger in his hand. So, if he even dropped it, it happened sometime after he pushed away the statue - maybe after the tear has widened, or maybe one of the Evanuris shot the dagger away with a bolt of magic... hard to say. All we know right now is that in the last few seconds the dagger is nowhere to be seen. I'm not sure however if I'd be putting so much stock into the dagger nicking Rook? I mean, it could, but considering all the magical shenanigans happening around them, it could be anything - and given that Rook literally had their hand in disrupting the ritual, it may be that they were linked to the events from that point on, and only rally needed to bleed after... dunno.. cutting hand on the rubble as Rook scrambled to reach the stairs. Oh, I'm willing to bet we may even be missing even several minutes of dialogue and action between the statue being pushed away by Solas and him standing before the Evanuris. Whatever happened there was deeply spoilerific.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 23, 2024 18:12:26 GMT
My gosh, now that you mention the silhouette, I see it now. It appears to move, and then somewhat collapses. I had to watch the scene with my head tilted to really catch it. I've watched that bit a dozen times on 4K, and I definitely see *someone* laying there; a green dot of light emanating from chest area - they're lifting their head a little, only to lay it on the ground again. And I think someone may be laying next to them? Dunno what to think about that, because we just don't know how heavily edited that section is - they may have been knocked down by the tear ripping wide open, or they may have been subdued by Solas himself, in preparation to transfer them to the Lighthouse after everything explodes? Hard to say - but I'm verrrrry curious what exactly that green light is supposed to be.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 23, 2024 18:24:29 GMT
I'm so bracing myself for BioWare whitewashing Solas to some degree or SURPRISE! reveal he somehow failed to mention something that turns everything around and makes him the hero after all. I really hope Solas remains a highly gray and ruthless character in pursuit of his vision. I do like villains who once meant well. That is cool. That's Solas in DAI. But who ultimately lose it and need to be stopped because now they're just a menace. I'm fine sort of feeling sorry for him, Solas *is* a tragic character who never meant for things to turn out the way they did, but at the same time I want to continue feeling disgusted with all the causalities he is willing to leave behind in his wake. I loved that he didn't change his plans even as he got to know some people of this disgusting current Thedas he grew to like. Even falling in love didn't change his plans. That was great. That's the kind of fucked up shit I enjoy. So please please, BioWare, don't ruin his character in DAV. Considering all the hints that are already present in the game? Hmmmmmm.... Like I said... I just hope some folks won't start complaining about things coming seemingly out of nowhere, because we definitely *at least* have things preset in published stories that would allow Bioware to take this character to different places. The road is open. And I'm not joking when I say that Leliana in Inquisition is mirroring Solas. It's not 1:1, obviously, but I'd say that the idea was (at the time, at least) for her personal quest to be one that closest resembles the sort of path and choices we'll likely stumble on our way to decide Solas' fate. In any case... I'd say we're in for some surprises anyway, whether we want to redeem or stab. But those won't be just surprises about Solas.
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