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Post by colfoley on Jun 23, 2024 19:06:24 GMT
Since it's come up again I draw your attention to...
"You met Mythal did you not? The first of my people aren't so easily killed."
Like I get the role playing desire and it may be in there but killing him, if the lore stays consistent to what it is currently, is probably the most short sighted thing we could do. Afterall the Evanuris killed Mythal and all it did was piss her off.
Similarly him making a sacrifice is always an important thing to consider for these types of stories, paying for his sins, but it does have a different meaning if he won't actually die.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 23, 2024 19:15:53 GMT
Since it's come up again I draw your attention to... "You met Mythal did you not? The first of my people aren't so easily killed." Like I get the role playing desire and it may be in there but killing him, if the lore stays consistent to what it is currently, is probably the most short sighted thing we could do. Afterall the Evanuris killed Mythal and all it did was piss her off. Similarly him making a sacrifice is always an important thing to consider for these types of stories, paying for his sins, but it does have a different meaning if he won't actually die. I mean, I think it's rather obvious that when Solas means "death" or "end" he doesn't necessarily means literal death or decisive end, even if only because his people know how to survive this and be effectively immortal. Also, I don't think he thinks he will die, but that he will be paying for what he does not with literal death, but some sort of eternal path he'd walk alone. That's what I get, when we hear Cole repeating Solas' words to Inquisitor, after Solas takes away Cole's memories: "I'm sorry, Cole, but with your gift, I fear you might see the path that I must now walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I would not wish it on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for. Though you reach out in compassion, I must now insist that you forget."
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 23, 2024 21:00:56 GMT
Considering all the hints that are already present in the game? Hmmmmmm.... Like I said... I just hope some folks won't start complaining about things coming seemingly out of nowhere, because we definitely *at least* have things preset in published stories that would allow Bioware to take this character to different places. The road is open. And I'm not joking when I say that Leliana in Inquisition is mirroring Solas. It's not 1:1, obviously, but I'd say that the idea was (at the time, at least) for her personal quest to be one that closest resembles the sort of path and choices we'll likely stumble on our way to decide Solas' fate. In any case... I'd say we're in for some surprises anyway, whether we want to redeem or stab. But those won't be just surprises about Solas. There's no denying that Solas was a good guy once who wanted to end slavery and the tyranny of his fellow evanuris. But everything he's done since he woke up has been a shitshow. Solas is incredibly arrogant and won't accept help. Because he keeps holding on to this narrative that he must fix things by himself, the only one who can. Total martyr drama. I can excuse so much self importance only so long before I want to slap some sense into him. It makes total sense why a godlike being who lived in an amazing magical world would be shocked about what world he created. A world not better than the one he tried to change. That sure sucks. Makes sense he would be dismissive of the people who inherited this world. He has zero emotional connection to anybody. For a while. But at some point even a bullheaded guy with a savior complex needs to realize that there's a moral dilemma here. He cannot simply undo what the veil changed. There's no turning back time. Look at the world now and work with what you have here, man! I love Solas as a hero of the old world turned villain of the new world. It would definitely not be surprising for him to finally come to his senses that murdering current day Thedas might be a tad bit... evil. I mean, he's had ten years in this world. I don't need him to go full on maniac. That would be disappointing as well. I just hope that BioWare won't try to excuse his previous behavior trying to kill everyone. Or pretend that that's not what he was trying to do, misunderstood again because, oops, he just sucks at communication and his REAL plan is actually totally awesome and clever. Yes, I can see a Leliana situation. I just wonder how much he can be influenced considering this is a huge plot important character this time. Whether or not Leliana goes scary dark and becomes a bad Devine does not really matter much for the overarching plot. So it's definitely going to be interesting how BioWare implemented Solas responding to Rook. It's tricky to keep a complex flawed character like Solas compelling. We'll see.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 23, 2024 21:51:20 GMT
Considering all the hints that are already present in the game? Hmmmmmm.... Like I said... I just hope some folks won't start complaining about things coming seemingly out of nowhere, because we definitely *at least* have things preset in published stories that would allow Bioware to take this character to different places. The road is open. And I'm not joking when I say that Leliana in Inquisition is mirroring Solas. It's not 1:1, obviously, but I'd say that the idea was (at the time, at least) for her personal quest to be one that closest resembles the sort of path and choices we'll likely stumble on our way to decide Solas' fate. In any case... I'd say we're in for some surprises anyway, whether we want to redeem or stab. But those won't be just surprises about Solas. There's no denying that Solas was a good guy once who wanted to end slavery and the tyranny of his fellow evanuris. But everything he's done since he woke up has been a shitshow. Solas is incredibly arrogant and won't accept help. Because he keeps holding on to this narrative that he must fix things by himself, the only one who can. Total martyr drama. I can excuse so much self importance only so long before I want to slap some sense into him. I don't want to discount his pride/arrogance, but to say it's just arrogance is to ignore all the hints existing in Inquisition that tell us that he's been terribly let down by someone in the past, to a point that he has severe trust issues. I wouldn't be surprised if those were Evanuris themselves. Things sorta-kinda point in that direction. So there's pride. But also distrust. And not a small amount of trauma. Truly, there are many things that can make a person convinced that they're the only ones who can do something about a certain thing that goes beyond copious amount of arrogance. Also - at this point in time we simply don't know whether Solas is or isn't the only person who can fix something broken in the past. Maybe because he's an ancient elf. Maybe because he's the Veil's creator. But considering that in DAI we play someone who was indeed *the only person* who was able to effectively deal with a certain crisis, it's not a possibility that we can discount. It may be even why Solas ultimately may have a Sad or Bittersweet Ending - because no one but him may be able to do a certain thing. While I ultimately think the 'good' (?) conclusion will be something akin to "heyyy, look, this world is more resilient than you think and things can change for the better" or somesuch, I have a feeling we're in for a couple of surprises - among them the extent of things people have lost when the Veil has been lifted. And I'm not just talking about the elves. But for that, we'll have to wait for DAVe to be released. The plan was never "trying to kill everyone" - let's just make that clear. That's what Evanuris MO, and it's what Solas stood against all those millennia back. And - in trying to save what he can, he's destroyed a thriving civilization; an event that surely had seen mass casualties. But he didn't "kill everyone" - he 'destroyed the world of the elves', 'took everything from the elves, even themselves', and 'cut most people's conscious connection to the Fade', but ultimately the world survived and hobbled forward. So yeah... I really hope there aren't misunderstandings about that - what I mean by that is misunderstandings certain people have about his motivations and where this is going. There was never a plan to "kill everyone" - there IS a plan that will severely endanger the world as it is; one that Solas expect to result in many casualties. But he seems to think he has good reasons to go through with it. Does he, and is it really necessary? Or is there some other way, this time around? Well, I guess we're about to find out. We surely agree here
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 23, 2024 22:25:50 GMT
I wonder, with the new ability to assign first names to our Rook, if we will also be able to give the Inquisitor a first name. I think it would be kinda cool to be able to do that. I realize the true first name I gave her is probably not an option...but maybe a nickname or something? I assume we will be choosing from a list, so finding something that will work might be possible. It would just be nice if our closest companions would call us by name instead of some long-defunct title.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 23, 2024 22:57:42 GMT
I wonder, with the new ability to assign first names to our Rook, if we will also be able to give the Inquisitor a first name. I think it would be kinda cool to be able to do that. I realize the true first name I gave her is probably not an option...but maybe a nickname or something? I assume we will be choosing from a list, so finding something that will work might be possible. It would just be nice if our closest companions would call us by name instead of some long-defunct title. We could always give the Inquisitor a first name. They just mean it’ll be like Inky, Shepard, Warden, Hawke, etc. It’d be nice where like Ryder if we keep the default name they’ll refer to us as it, but considering there’d be eight names instead of two I doubt it.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 23, 2024 23:00:52 GMT
I wonder, with the new ability to assign first names to our Rook, if we will also be able to give the Inquisitor a first name. I think it would be kinda cool to be able to do that. I realize the true first name I gave her is probably not an option...but maybe a nickname or something? I assume we will be choosing from a list, so finding something that will work might be possible. It would just be nice if our closest companions would call us by name instead of some long-defunct title. We could always give the Inquisitor a first name. They just mean it’ll be like Inky, Shepard, Warden, Hawke, etc. It’d be nice where like Ryder if we keep the default name they’ll refer to us as it, but considering there’d be eight names instead of two I doubt it. I thought they did say that, in certain situations, characters would refer to Rook by their first name, if they pick one of the options. Maybe I made that up.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 23, 2024 23:12:15 GMT
We could always give the Inquisitor a first name. They just mean it’ll be like Inky, Shepard, Warden, Hawke, etc. It’d be nice where like Ryder if we keep the default name they’ll refer to us as it, but considering there’d be eight names instead of two I doubt it. I thought they did say that, in certain situations, characters would refer to Rook by their first name, if they pick one of the options. Maybe I made that up. I think they were referred to the surnames, with some being used more then others.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 23, 2024 23:21:14 GMT
I thought they did say that, in certain situations, characters would refer to Rook by their first name, if they pick one of the options. Maybe I made that up. I think they were referred to the surnames, with some being used more then others. I know they said last names for sure, but I thought I also saw first names too. But it's been such a whirlwind, I may have misunderstood.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 23, 2024 23:22:41 GMT
We could always give the Inquisitor a first name. They just mean it’ll be like Inky, Shepard, Warden, Hawke, etc. It’d be nice where like Ryder if we keep the default name they’ll refer to us as it, but considering there’d be eight names instead of two I doubt it. I thought they did say that, in certain situations, characters would refer to Rook by their first name, if they pick one of the options. Maybe I made that up. They've said sometines people will use Rooks last name.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 23, 2024 23:24:08 GMT
I thought they did say that, in certain situations, characters would refer to Rook by their first name, if they pick one of the options. Maybe I made that up. They've said sometines people will use Rooks last name. And that the frequency of that (using their last name occasionally) may vary, based on the background we choose.
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Post by Envisionary on Jun 23, 2024 23:54:24 GMT
There is a stark difference between killing an agent who worked under him vs. some borderline tranquil who he's granted the courtesy of living out their last remaining years in comfort out of Qunari control.
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That is Varric's choice not to lie down and die. That has nothing to do with what Solas intended.
This is assuming several things, but it is a selfish decision when he makes it for countless amounts of people only after being personally affected by the Evanuris' decisions.
He says, straight up, that killing Mythal deserves an eternity of torment. Not the slavery, not acquiring whatever manner of power they could from the Void, not the mad scientist experiments Ghila'nain gets up to. Mythal, his personal friend, was killed. Now Solas is mad. Now Solas decides that's the last straw.
Putting up the veil is the last option then tearing down the veil is the last option. Is that so, or are both decisions being made because Solas is unhappy and Solas is all that matters to Solas?
Solas can't even bring himself to care about the elves living today and seems to actively despise them. He can't even bring himself to sympathize that some mages summoned his spirit friend out of ignorance and desperation to survive, he wants to brutally murder them for it.
He is a prideful creature befitting an Evanuris who will loathe you for denying his sagely wisdom. He wants an audience that will praise, and Felassan a not slave of his could tell you what disobeying him will earn you.
But at least there are only 1,000 Fen'harel statues sitting everywhere instead of the typical 1,001 statues the average Evanuris would have, truly the best of the best. You mean the same Mythal who to the modern day has an entire village of slaves standing vigil over a pool that will turn someone into her slave upon drinking? The pool that makes Solas come very close to admitting that she sucks? That Mythal?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2024 0:31:17 GMT
So yeah... I really hope there aren't misunderstandings about that - what I mean by that is misunderstandings certain people have about his motivations and where this is going. There was never a plan to "kill everyone" - there IS a plan that will severely endanger the world as it is; one that Solas expect to result in many casualties. But he seems to think he has good reasons to go through with it. Does he, and is it really necessary? Or is there some other way, this time around? Well, I guess we're about to find out. Funny how you accuse others of misunderstanding Solas by misunderstanding their arguments. I haven’t seen anyone argue that Solas’s plan is to kill everyone, but that his plan will kill everyone. Also disagree twitch your portrayal of that being the Evanuris’s MO. Even if simply because they want people alive to rule, none of them wanted to kill everyone.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2024 0:34:48 GMT
Since it's come up again I draw your attention to... "You met Mythal did you not? The first of my people aren't so easily killed." Like I get the role playing desire and it may be in there but killing him, if the lore stays consistent to what it is currently, is probably the most short sighted thing we could do. Afterall the Evanuris killed Mythal and all it did was piss her off. Similarly him making a sacrifice is always an important thing to consider for these types of stories, paying for his sins, but it does have a different meaning if he won't actually die. We’ve permanently killed unkillable beings before, so no reason to think we won’t find a way this time too.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 24, 2024 0:39:37 GMT
After watching the ending of trsspasser, I would have liked if Inq could have asked a few question's. Since Solas was too weak to open his orb, how much more time would he have needed to open the orb if it wasn't given to Cory? If he is successful, what then? Would solas be dancing in the street's cheering? What if it's not returned the way he was hoping? Would he try again?
When Flemeth said you should not have given your orb to Cory, I wondered what she meant by that? Did she know what the outcome would be?
Solas is a guy who has to do thing's his way or it's the highway. He could **** up many time's and still convince himself he can make it work. I don't know what will happen to him at the end of the game, but I suspect if he's pardoned/redeemed, he will find a way to try again. Killing him will prevent that. At the moment, this would be the best ending. What if there's a way to remove his power's? So? It still doesn't exempt him from what he has done.
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When Flemeth said you should not have given your orb to Cory, I wondered what she meant by that? Did she know what the outcome would be? She can see glimpse of the future so...
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2024 1:16:55 GMT
That is Varric's choice not to lie down and die. That has nothing to do with what Solas intended. This is assuming several things, but it is a selfish decision when he makes it for countless amounts of people only after being personally affected by the Evanuris' decisions.
He says, straight up, that killing Mythal deserves an eternity of torment. Not the slavery, not acquiring whatever manner of power they could from the Void, not the mad scientist experiments Ghila'nain gets up to. Mythal, his personal friend, was killed. Now Solas is mad. Now Solas decides that's the last straw.
Putting up the veil is the last option then tearing down the veil is the last option. Is that so, or are both decisions being made because Solas is unhappy and Solas is all that matters to Solas?
Solas can't even bring himself to care about the elves living today and seems to actively despise them. He can't even bring himself to sympathize that some mages summoned his spirit friend out of ignorance and desperation to survive, he wants to brutally murder them for it.
He is a prideful creature befitting an Evanuris who will loathe you for denying his sagely wisdom. He wants an audience that will praise, and Felassan a not slave of his could tell you what disobeying him will earn you.
But at least there are only 1,000 Fen'harel statues sitting everywhere instead of the typical 1,001 statues the average Evanuris would have, truly the best of the best. You mean the same Mythal who to the modern day has an entire village of slaves standing vigil over a pool that will turn someone into her slave upon drinking? The pool that makes Solas come very close to admitting that she sucks? That Mythal?
Thing is though we know that Solas didn't use the Veil as the final straw. He was fighting a rebellion against the Evanuris for X amount of time so we know he was doign things beyond just the relationship with Mythal before they acted. Indeed I kind of suspect it was a case of escelation that Evanuris acted like crap--> Solas starts organizing the Elves into a rebellion --> Mythal helps him one way or another--> The Evanuris kill her plus decide to do something really horrible--> Solas creates the Veil. And because we know this we have a strong inference that, despite his arrogance, the man isn't operating out of a selfish perspective. He did what he did specifically because he saw his people suffering and moved to act and educate them about what was going on with himself. Likewise he isn't operating out of selfish motivations for his actions today. Guilt. Desperation. Arrogance. But its hard to paint the man as selfish given all we know, all we have seen, all we have heard from him. Indeed I do think this harkens back to why he is trying to do this as alone as he can because he fears people will talk him out of it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2024 1:22:12 GMT
That is Varric's choice not to lie down and die. That has nothing to do with what Solas intended. This is assuming several things, but it is a selfish decision when he makes it for countless amounts of people only after being personally affected by the Evanuris' decisions.
He says, straight up, that killing Mythal deserves an eternity of torment. Not the slavery, not acquiring whatever manner of power they could from the Void, not the mad scientist experiments Ghila'nain gets up to. Mythal, his personal friend, was killed. Now Solas is mad. Now Solas decides that's the last straw.
Putting up the veil is the last option then tearing down the veil is the last option. Is that so, or are both decisions being made because Solas is unhappy and Solas is all that matters to Solas?
Solas can't even bring himself to care about the elves living today and seems to actively despise them. He can't even bring himself to sympathize that some mages summoned his spirit friend out of ignorance and desperation to survive, he wants to brutally murder them for it.
He is a prideful creature befitting an Evanuris who will loathe you for denying his sagely wisdom. He wants an audience that will praise, and Felassan a not slave of his could tell you what disobeying him will earn you.
But at least there are only 1,000 Fen'harel statues sitting everywhere instead of the typical 1,001 statues the average Evanuris would have, truly the best of the best. You mean the same Mythal who to the modern day has an entire village of slaves standing vigil over a pool that will turn someone into her slave upon drinking? The pool that makes Solas come very close to admitting that she sucks? That Mythal?
Thing is though we know that Solas didn't use the Veil as the final straw. He was fighting a rebellion against the Evanuris for X amount of time so we know he was doign things beyond just the relationship with Mythal before they acted. Indeed I kind of suspect it was a case of escelation that Evanuris acted like crap--> Solas starts organizing the Elves into a rebellion --> Mythal helps him one way or another--> The Evanuris kill her plus decide to do something really horrible--> Solas creates the Veil. And because we know this we have a strong inference that, despite his arrogance, the man isn't operating out of a selfish perspective. He did what he did specifically because he saw his people suffering and moved to act and educate them about what was going on with himself. Likewise he isn't operating out of selfish motivations for his actions today. Guilt. Desperation. Arrogance. But its hard to paint the man as selfish given all we know, all we have seen, all we have heard from him. Indeed I do think this harkens back to why he is trying to do this as alone as he can because he fears people will talk him out of it. No, it’s pretty easy to paint him that way. He is putting what’s best for everyone under what he thinks is best. That’s a textbook example of selfish. You even just said he doesn’t want people around because he doesn’t want their opinions and perspectives interfering with his.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2024 1:23:55 GMT
Thing is though we know that Solas didn't use the Veil as the final straw. He was fighting a rebellion against the Evanuris for X amount of time so we know he was doign things beyond just the relationship with Mythal before they acted. Indeed I kind of suspect it was a case of escelation that Evanuris acted like crap--> Solas starts organizing the Elves into a rebellion --> Mythal helps him one way or another--> The Evanuris kill her plus decide to do something really horrible--> Solas creates the Veil. And because we know this we have a strong inference that, despite his arrogance, the man isn't operating out of a selfish perspective. He did what he did specifically because he saw his people suffering and moved to act and educate them about what was going on with himself. Likewise he isn't operating out of selfish motivations for his actions today. Guilt. Desperation. Arrogance. But its hard to paint the man as selfish given all we know, all we have seen, all we have heard from him. Indeed I do think this harkens back to why he is trying to do this as alone as he can because he fears people will talk him out of it. No, it’s pretty easy to paint him that way. He is putting what’s best for everyone under what he thinks is best. That’s a textbook example of selfish. You even just said he doesn’t want people around because he doesn’t want their opinions and perspectives interfering with his. What I said is that he doesen't want other people's opinions influencing his.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 24, 2024 1:24:30 GMT
I don' see this conversation going anywhere, so this will be my last response to you on this sub-topic over here: [spoilered for lenght]: But Varric isn't "living out their last remaining years in comfort out of Qunari control" - he's actively trying to stop him. Literally standing behind him and ready to disrupt his important ritual. And succeeding at the end, even if only because he distracted Solas from Rook enacting their wild plan. That is Varric's choice not to lie down and die. That has nothing to do with what Solas intended. None of this is about "what Solas intended" - rather, all of this is you ascribing to Solas intentions that make no sense. Well I'm glad you admit that you're just assuming several things.
However, by that logic all of or characters we are playing are selfish, because they've decided to act "after they were personally affected" as well.
If Mythal's death was ultimately the catalyst for Evanuris to *destroy the entire world*, why wouldn't he get mad? If Mythal's death means that *all the other ways to depose and get rid of Evanuris and free the people* now won't work, that the Blight is on the loose and he has to create the Veil and destroy Elvenhan, why shouldn't they suffer eternity of torment? Never mind that you already know that Solas has instigated the slave rebellion before the Evanuris killed Mythal, and was not motivated by her or her whereabouts, but realization that the Evanuris are doing really bad stuff... I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but no? Solas is not all that matter for Solas - which is why Solas is unhappy both with having to create the Veil as well as having to tear it down, lol. It's not that hard to understand, especially if one doesn't bend over backwards to twist his character into a cartoonish villain.
Um, are you feeling better now that you've let your Solas hatred loose? Like... I see now there's nothing anyone can say about Solas that you wouldn't twist into something bad - you even hold against him his brief moment of deep pain and anguish just after losing one of his few remaining friends (the fact that he's lost it due to people's ignorance is worse, not better); the pain and anguish he can hold back if Inquisitor gently calls him by his name. Also no, Solas doesn't actively despises the elves - he has a beef with the Dalish, particularly because the Dalish often see themselves as the true elves, true stewards of ancient elvhen culture, only for them to worship the ancient subjugators he tried to free elves from, while ascribing to him the role of the elven devil. Yes, that Mythal. Whatever you think of Mythal, her death meant that basically all was lost - there was no way of making it through without creating the Veil and destroying Elvenhan. It's quite likely that the only reason the Sentinels were still standing vigil over a pool* is specifically because Mythal was murdered, and her work in dismantling the Evanuris - and whatever magic they used to subjugate the elves - was left unfinished. *that's not just some pool; the Well Of Sorrows is very important for some reason and may be importan in DAVe as well.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2024 1:25:00 GMT
No, it’s pretty easy to paint him that way. He is putting what’s best for everyone under what he thinks is best. That’s a textbook example of selfish. You even just said he doesn’t want people around because he doesn’t want their opinions and perspectives interfering with his. What I said is that he doesen't want other people's opinions influencing his. Same thing.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2024 1:29:23 GMT
What I said is that he doesen't want other people's opinions influencing his. Same thing. We will agree to disagree... But also it did occur to me on your second point...or at least the other point you made about him being selfish overall because he does thinks he knows what is best for everyone over not. Again IMO this is evidence that the man is arrogant, I will perfectly concede that point. However, as we see in real life with political, religious, or business figures sometimes they want to get involved and push for helping people out in the name of what they think is the greater good. Does it make such people selfish? No. It often makes them dangerous and arrogant which is the situation we find ourselves in with Solas. Again he sees a problem that he believes is an existential threat to the people of Thedas so he is trying his best to solve it given what he currently knows. There is logical problems with his plan, its bad, but this is not the actions or words of a selfish person.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 24, 2024 1:34:20 GMT
We will agree to disagree... But also it did occur to me on your second point...or at least the other point you made about him being selfish overall because he does thinks he knows what is best for everyone over not. Again IMO this is evidence that the man is arrogant, I will perfectly concede that point. However, as we see in real life with political, religious, or business figures sometimes they want to get involved and push for helping people out in the name of what they think is the greater good. Does it make such people selfish? No. It often makes them dangerous and arrogant which is the situation we find ourselves in with Solas. Again he sees a problem that he believes is an existential threat to the people of Thedas so he is trying his best to solve it given what he currently knows. There is logical problems with his plan, its bad, but this is not the actions or words of a selfish person. What makes it beyond arrogance and into selfishness is a simple question: who benefits most from Solas’s plan? The answer is Solas. He gets everything he wants, while everyone else suffers in comparison. A politician, religious leader, CEO, etc who says they’re doing this to help the world or others but they benefit the most are all seen as being selfish.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 24, 2024 1:44:10 GMT
Since the Well of Sorrows has been mentioned... I have a feeling it will be something we'll hear about more in DAVe, though I'm not yet sure to what extent.
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