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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2024 1:47:24 GMT
We will agree to disagree... But also it did occur to me on your second point...or at least the other point you made about him being selfish overall because he does thinks he knows what is best for everyone over not. Again IMO this is evidence that the man is arrogant, I will perfectly concede that point. However, as we see in real life with political, religious, or business figures sometimes they want to get involved and push for helping people out in the name of what they think is the greater good. Does it make such people selfish? No. It often makes them dangerous and arrogant which is the situation we find ourselves in with Solas. Again he sees a problem that he believes is an existential threat to the people of Thedas so he is trying his best to solve it given what he currently knows. There is logical problems with his plan, its bad, but this is not the actions or words of a selfish person. What makes it beyond arrogance and into selfishness is a simple question: who benefits most from Solas’s plan? The answer is Solas. He gets everything he wants, while everyone else suffers in comparison. A politician, religious leader, CEO, etc who says they’re doing this to help the world or others but they benefit the most are all seen as being selfish. Solas's plan most certainly does not benefit just Solas but the survivors of the plan which there is a good chance will include members of every single race currently walking Thedas. Indeed based on everything we have seen and heard the plan might actually hurt Solas in the end to. Granted I am not as familiar with the lore as midnight tea is in this regard, I don't quite remember where he has said what tea is claiming he said about his plan doing horrible things to him, but given that she has been right about a lot of this other stuff, and given that I vaguely remember where its from I am prepared to take her word for it.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 24, 2024 2:03:17 GMT
What makes it beyond arrogance and into selfishness is a simple question: who benefits most from Solas’s plan? The answer is Solas. He gets everything he wants, while everyone else suffers in comparison. A politician, religious leader, CEO, etc who says they’re doing this to help the world or others but they benefit the most are all seen as being selfish. Solas's plan most certainly does not benefit just Solas but the survivors of the plan which there is a good chance will include members of every single race currently walking Thedas. Indeed based on everything we have seen and heard the plan might actually hurt Solas in the end to. Granted I am not as familiar with the lore as midnight tea is in this regard, I don't quite remember where he has said what tea is claiming he said about his plan doing horrible things to him, but given that she has been right about a lot of this other stuff, and given that I vaguely remember where its from I am prepared to take her word for it. After we defeat Cory for good and Solas leaves Inquisition, you can talk to spirit!Cole and he will recite Solas' last words to him, before doing something to Cole's memories/tampering with Cole's abilities to look into his mind and guess his plans:
He also says to romanced Lavellan that he walks something called Din'anshiral, that there's only death on this journey and that he would not have Lavellan se what he becomes - hard to say what he means by that, although given that he intends to deal somehow with the blighted Evanuris + we still don't know the purpose of the Red Lyrium Idol...
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Post by themikefest on Jun 24, 2024 2:25:12 GMT
When Flemeth said you should not have given your orb to Cory, I wondered what she meant by that? Did she know what the outcome would be? She can see glimpse of the future so...
How much of it can she see? If she doesn't know what the outcome might have been, then what did she mean by her comment?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 24, 2024 2:37:15 GMT
Since the Well of Sorrows has been mentioned... I have a feeling it will be something we'll hear about more in DAVe, though I'm not yet sure to what extent. My Inky drank, so I'm really curious to see how that's going to backfire.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 24, 2024 2:53:24 GMT
Since the Well of Sorrows has been mentioned... I have a feeling it will be something we'll hear about more in DAVe, though I'm not yet sure to what extent. My Inky drank, so I'm really curious to see how that's going to backfire. I wonder if Solas gaining Mythal's power means he can order the Well-drinker around? Because it would be quite funny if Inky was like "Solas! I'm here to stop you" and Solas was like "now turn back and walk away"... and Inky does And seriously now - long ago I've had a theory that power of the Well is what actually what may be powering a significant portion of re-invigorated eluvians. Anyone remembers that naked watery figure that sprang from the empty pool and stumped Cory? Well, she's flown into the same mirror our team used to run away and nothing came out of the other side - I think the figure stayed within the eluvian network, giving it power to function. I have similar thoughts about Mythal 'sending' something through the eluvian at the end of Inquisition - I think it was more about eluvians than it was about sending anything through them.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 24, 2024 2:59:54 GMT
My Inky drank, so I'm really curious to see how that's going to backfire. I wonder if Solas gaining Mythal's power means he can order the Well-drinker around? Because it would be quite funny if Inky was like "Solas! I'm here to stop you" and Solas was like "now turn back and walk away"... and Inky does And seriously now - long ago I've had a theory that power of the Well is what actually what may be powering a significant portion of re-invigorated eluvians. Anyone remembers that naked watery figure that sprang from the empty pool and stumped Cory? Well, she's flown into the same mirror our team used to run away and nothing came out of the other side - I think the figure stayed within the eluvian network, giving it power to function. I have similar thoughts about Mythal 'sending' something through the eluvian at the end of Inquisition - I think it was more about eluvians than it was about sending anything through them. All I know is Solas was not pleased with my Inky's life choices, so I guess we'll see!
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2024 7:08:48 GMT
Since the Well of Sorrows has been mentioned... I have a feeling it will be something we'll hear about more in DAVe, though I'm not yet sure to what extent. My Inky drank, so I'm really curious to see how that's going to backfire. ie nervous as hell.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 7:11:19 GMT
Also disagree twitch your portrayal of that being the Evanuris’s MO. Even if simply because they want people alive to rule, none of them wanted to kill everyone. Well, except possibly Falon'Din. I rather suspect that the reason Solas hated him and also the Mortalitassi is that their order was based off rituals that were originally devised by Falon'Din, the God of the Dead. His slaves were the spirits that inhabited the corpses of the dead. This is why he had a vested interest in creating conflict because the more death, the greater his number of followers. If I am right about this then the Grand Necropolis was probably originally his Temple (where he was bloodied by Mythal) and where there is a nice big army of the dead just waiting for someone to claim it. When Flemeth said you should not have given your orb to Cory, I wondered what she meant by that? Did she know what the outcome would be? I always thought that was the understatement of the year. I think she was admonishing him for being too hasty. One of his conversations with us revealed he had been nosing round Flemeth's hut so perhaps there was some spirital residue of Mythal there that attracted him. However, instead of searching further he would appear to have assumed that he was wrong about that and Mythal would not be able to help. Then when we get to the inner sanctum of the Temple of Mythal he says: "Mythal lives", sounding surprised at the revelation. It is odd that he wasn't aware of the Temple or tried to visit it before giving his orb to Cory, so there has to be more to that. Perhaps he mistrusted Mythal and didn't want to involve her initially but in the end he had no choice but to absorb her. Perhaps that was always the option he had for opening the orb and was trying to avoid it. I always thought there was some significance to his admonishment of the Inquisitor if you drank from the Well: "Everything you do from now on, whether you know it or not, you will do it for her." I think that perhaps he was speaking from experience. He was under some compulsion from Mythal even before absorbing her, tried to avoid her plan for him and it backfired spectacularly, so the only option left for him was to comply.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 7:24:58 GMT
After we defeat Cory for good and Solas leaves Inquisition, you can talk to spirit!Cole and he will recite Solas' last words to him, before doing something to Cole's memories/tampering with Cole's abilities to look into his mind and guess his plans:
"(Solas speaking through Cole) I'm sorry, Cole, but with your gift, I fear you might see the path that I must now walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I would not wish it on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for. Though you reach out in compassion, I must now insist that you forget. (Cole now speaks) I'm... what were we talking about? I'm ready to help people when you are." He also says to romanced Lavellan that he walks something called Din'anshiral, that there's only death on this journey and that he would not have Lavellan se what he becomes - hard to say what he means by that, although given that he intends to deal somehow with the blighted Evanuris + we still don't know the purpose of the Red Lyrium Idol... See my above post. I have a feeling that Solas has always been bound to Mythal in some way and his actions have very much been guided by what he knew she wanted, except when he gave the orb to Corypheus. That was him trying to break free of her plan. However, it meant he lost his orb and had no option but to comply with her will. That is how he knew where to find her because she drew him there but only when it suited her to. It is why Abelas recognised him as one of their own; not just an ancient elf but a thrall of Mythal. I strongly suspect it does link back to the servant of Dirthamen (the God of Secrets and Knowledge) who was encouraged to rebel against the edicts of the Evanuris by Ghilan'nain and whom Mythal chose to abandon to the judgement of Elgar'nan. I wouldn't be surprised to discover the punishment he gave was to be forever bound to the service of Mythal or something similar. (Alternatively the punishment was to be bound as per the figure in the inner sanctum of the Temple of Solassan but he was ultimately released by Mythal in return for his service to her). Also, this was when he was given the name Solas, to denote his Pride in disobeying the gods. Note the gods involved in this incident were Ghilan'nain, Mythal and Elgar'nan (plus the servant of the God of secrets of knowlege). Coincidence? Note this is what is found carved in the inner sanctum of the Temple of Solassan: Faintly carved into the stone is a figure bound in chains. Two other figures have turned their gaze from the central image.
The script below the image is ancient, though Solas is able to provide a partial translation:
Pride in our accomplishments and in our hearts. That same pride became (a word meaning corrupted or altered) within him, he sought to claim (indecipherable), cast from favor and so he was bound.
Hidden from mortal eyes, death lies within.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 24, 2024 12:02:57 GMT
Since the Well of Sorrows has been mentioned... I have a feeling it will be something we'll hear about more in DAVe, though I'm not yet sure to what extent. Considering that it's again a variable who drank from the well and Morrigan probably isn't even in the game, I doubt it will have some major earth shattering consequences for the person who drank from it. Needs to be something that's not person specific. Which is of course so much wasted potential. I do hope for some kind of cool twist there though.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 24, 2024 12:16:36 GMT
I have a feeling that Solas has always been bound to Mythal in some way and his actions have very much been guided by what he knew she wanted, except when he gave the orb to Corypheus. That was him trying to break free of her plan. You know, Solas being a puppet of Mythal is about the only scenario where I might be willing to absolve him of SOME of the stuff he's done and feel kind of sorry for him. She was always a very crafty manipulative person even just as Flemeth grooming Morrigan. She's definitely the smarter of the two gods and I always thought she was two steps ahead of Solas at all times and that their goals do NOT align. Although maybe not where the orb was concerned. She might have underestimated just how much of a mess he makes of everything if left to his own devices. I also think it would be beautifully tragic if Solas did all this for her out of devotion to her and their former vision to end slavery only to realize that what's left of Mythal is a vengeful corrupted being and somehow his actions led to unleashing her truly horrific revenge plan. And in DA5 we will have some kind of Mythal abomination as the end boss, lol. Yeah, OK, too JRPG. But I really do like the idea that Mythal is no longer really his friend and that they want different things. Maybe she's actually the more reasonable one and Solas will realize that he failed her, that Mythal is actually a sort of guardian of New Thedas and is not pleased with the shit Solas has pulled. I can see current Mythal as both, good or evil.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 12:56:54 GMT
I can see current Mythal as both, good or evil. She is certainly a complicated character. I think she has been nudging things for millennia, if only from the Fade before she found a suitable partner to possess in the Waking World. Also, there are two statements by Flemeth that I always find interesting. The first was to Merrill. When Merrill bowed to her, she asked: "Do you know who I am?" Then when Merrill indicated she wasn't really aware, she told her to rise because "The People are too quick to bow the knee". It wasn't that she didn't regard such deference as her due but only if it is given knowingly. Also she clearly regarded Merrill as one of the People. The second was to Lavellan: "You do the People proud." This was particularly striking having just come from the Temple of Mythal where her high priest had rejected me as one of their own. Mythal does not strike me as someone who would give false praise for the sake of it and she had no need to gain your good opinion with flattery, so clearly she saw something in Lavellan that Abelas did not. Of course, she may have an affection for the Dalish simply because they never forgot her and that may have helped her recover herself. Of course, she also called any Inquisitor the Herald of a new age. So, it would seem to me that she did intend for something drastic to occur in the near future that would change the face of Thedas before the customary new age that occurred every hundred years from the formation of the Chantry. Clearly she wanted Corypheus out of the way before pursuing her agenda, which is why she helped us. Once he was dealt with, she made contact with Solas. Whilst Rook may not be aware of the fact, nor the Inquisitor for that matter, I am still mindful of the fact that we won't just be listening to Solas in our head but Mythal as well. It will be interesting to see if Solas ever admits to this.
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Post by theascendent on Jun 24, 2024 13:05:52 GMT
I always found it interesting that Mythal chose a human woman to inhabit rather than elf. Betrayed women is not a human only theme. Was it fate or chance she chose Flemeth as her vessel. I imagine she views humans as expendible and doesn't care if they die to further her ambitions.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 13:12:19 GMT
I imagine she views humans as expendible and doesn't care if they die to further her ambitions. Quite possibly, considering Flemeth is no more as far as we are aware. In fact since the elven gods were likely originally just spirits, it is entirely possible that she doesn't have a preferred form or if she does it is probably that of a dragon. Even statues of her seem to show her with wings even if the rest of it looks fairly humanoid. It was also noticeable that the statues never showed her face. Flemeth also described her as the wisp of an ancient being, not an ancient elf.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jun 24, 2024 13:28:25 GMT
My Inky drank, so I'm really curious to see how that's going to backfire. I wonder if Solas gaining Mythal's power means he can order the Well-drinker around? Because it would be quite funny if Inky was like "Solas! I'm here to stop you" and Solas was like "now turn back and walk away"... and Inky does And seriously now - long ago I've had a theory that power of the Well is what actually what may be powering a significant portion of re-invigorated eluvians. Anyone remembers that naked watery figure that sprang from the empty pool and stumped Cory? Well, she's flown into the same mirror our team used to run away and nothing came out of the other side - I think the figure stayed within the eluvian network, giving it power to function. I have similar thoughts about Mythal 'sending' something through the eluvian at the end of Inquisition - I think it was more about eluvians than it was about sending anything through them. oh, I like this theory- very interesting!
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Post by azarhal on Jun 24, 2024 13:41:18 GMT
She was always a very crafty manipulative person even just as Flemeth grooming Morrigan. She's definitely the smarter of the two gods and I always thought she was two steps ahead of Solas at all times and that their goals do NOT align. We have two instance where we can see they don't see things the same way in-games:
Flemeth send the Wardens on their way to kill the Archdemon in DAO to stop the Blight and stopping the Blight was more important than saving the Achdemon's soul. Solas is very angry at the Wardens killing the Archdemons.
On the other side of the coin, Flemeth isn't a fan of people killing normal dragons (based on Yavana), while Solas has no problem with it from what I remember.
Flemeth refers to the Dalish as "The People", Solas doesn't sees the Dalish as "The People".
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 24, 2024 13:42:17 GMT
I wonder if Solas gaining Mythal's power means he can order the Well-drinker around? Because it would be quite funny if Inky was like "Solas! I'm here to stop you" and Solas was like "now turn back and walk away"... and Inky does And seriously now - long ago I've had a theory that power of the Well is what actually what may be powering a significant portion of re-invigorated eluvians. Anyone remembers that naked watery figure that sprang from the empty pool and stumped Cory? Well, she's flown into the same mirror our team used to run away and nothing came out of the other side - I think the figure stayed within the eluvian network, giving it power to function. I have similar thoughts about Mythal 'sending' something through the eluvian at the end of Inquisition - I think it was more about eluvians than it was about sending anything through them. oh, I like this theory- very interesting! They will probably not make the Inquisitor drinking from the well canon. I can almost bet the farm that Morrigan partaking will be canon.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jun 24, 2024 14:00:40 GMT
oh, I like this theory- very interesting! They will probably not make the Inquisitor drinking from the well canon. I can almost bet the farm that Morrigan partaking will be canon. Oh I wouldn't be surprised at all by that. I'm definitely a bit mad that past choices that seemed like they should make significant differences are going to get glossed over. Oh well. I'm excited about just about everything else about DAV.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 24, 2024 14:03:35 GMT
They will probably not make the Inquisitor drinking from the well canon. I can almost bet the farm that Morrigan partaking will be canon. Oh I wouldn't be surprised at all by that. I'm definitely a bit mad that past choices that seemed like they should make significant differences are going to get glossed over. Oh well. I'm excited about just about everything else about DAV. Me too! But that's every game. I guess they have to do it that way for some continuity of narrative.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jun 24, 2024 14:15:35 GMT
Oh I wouldn't be surprised at all by that. I'm definitely a bit mad that past choices that seemed like they should make significant differences are going to get glossed over. Oh well. I'm excited about just about everything else about DAV. Me too! But that's every game. I guess they have to do it that way for some continuity of narrative. yeah I mean I get why they do it, it still drives me crazy sometimes
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Post by azarhal on Jun 24, 2024 15:19:05 GMT
People in this thread: no decisions we take can lead to negative outcomes and they won't let anything bad happen to the Inqy.
People realize Patrick Weeks is the leader writer now right? I personally still haven't come to term with "It has to be me"...and it's been over 10 years! The Hawke vs any of the Warden has been an easy choice. That one I'll admit.
I also watched Tali's suicide once...only once.
She can see glimpse of the future so...
How much of it can she see? If she doesn't know what the outcome might have been, then what did she mean by her comment? She's always cryptic about it so who knows how well she sees it.
But she's far from being the only character with the ability in the setting, even in the games. There is a statue with the soul of a Tevinter prophetess we can talk to in DAO (mage origin and Witch Hunt) and in Promise of Destruction, Lord Seeker Lucius says he saw the future (and knew about Corypheus failing and the world getting destroyed afterward with some survivor since his plan was to recreate the Seeker after the world destruction after purging the current batch).
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 24, 2024 15:19:54 GMT
Oh I wouldn't be surprised at all by that. I'm definitely a bit mad that past choices that seemed like they should make significant differences are going to get glossed over. Oh well. I'm excited about just about everything else about DAV. Me too! But that's every game. I guess they have to do it that way for some continuity of narrative. Not sure if I should rejoice or be annoyed if that happens because then they should have done something with her kid too! If they make Morrigan drinking from the well canon it just proves that player choice just for the sake of it is stupid. And just goes to show how difficult it is to allow impactful choices for a franchise with an overarching plot. BioWare could never build the kind of crazy level of choice that BG3 offers into DA because it's not a self contained story. Things can't just turn out in wildly different ways.Meaningful choices need to be restricted to plotlines that conclude at the end of each game. Disregarding the 1% of players who got Leliana killed is one thing. But the well would certainly piss plenty of people off. I'm personally always pro story so BioWare should do whatever is most interesting for the story they're trying to tell. But I hope they are more careful with what developments are up to the player in the future.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 24, 2024 16:11:12 GMT
He can't even bring himself to sympathize that some mages summoned his spirit friend out of ignorance and desperation to survive, he wants to brutally murder them for it. Yeah that moment was when I realized inky should dump his self righteous ass. Major red flag! Man was he pissy about that, sulking for days. Sorry Solas, just because Lavellan made the mistake of bedding you doesn't mean she'll just accept slaughtering a bunch of dumb idiots to make you feel better. (While once again being reminded that mages are just ticking time bombs and queen bitch Vivienne and the rest of Theday are right to fear them, lol. Sorry Morrigan, I adore you but... It's REALLY hard to love mages in this universe! Says the one who always plays an elf mage, the most destructive combination it seems, haha). On the Solas debate in general, once more: Look, Solas defenders, just because I understand his psychology of trust issues and whatnot doesn't mean I have to be OK with the things he does and thinks as a result. Like, I can have empathy with the criminally insane, I'm still glad they get locked up because they're just too far gone and a danger to society. Not saying Solas is necessary too far gone... The way I see it so far one COULD argue that he's just as arrogant and self important as his fellow evanuris, he just gets off on different things. He gets off on the whole savior thing. It's tricky to tell apart somebody who genuinely wants to do good for the sake of others and somebody who does it only to make themselves feel good. MOST people want to make themselves feel good, completely selfless people are rare, so that's not necessarily something to condemn. Most people either enjoy to be loved or to be feared. The other evanuris seem to have been more on the be feared power trip. The funny thing is that because Solas is a "god" like the other gods he hates so much he is total disconnected from average people like any super rich person in our world. The people of current Thedas are like flies that die in the blink of an eye anyway when he wakes up. Pathetic. Expendable. Imo you don't have that kind of attitude as a pure hearted individual. Again, not condemning him for having flaws like everyone else. But his type of arrogance is very much in line with the other gods, I would say. He thinks he knows best and is so unique that nobody else can fix it. Very very self absorbed thinking. Righteous people are usually not good people. It's entirely possible to be willing to sacrifice yourself and still bathe in the glory of your own future sacrifice, making this all about yourself. I'm not saying that this is true but imo it's a valid way of looking at his character. He's very ambivalent which makes him a great character. Having people argue so much is testament to a well written complex character. I just reject the idea that I can't call out his bullshit just because he is traumatized by everything that went down. It's still very wrong. Punching him (which I didn't do btw) is well deserved in DAI imo. Get off your high horse, man!
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 17:01:47 GMT
I'm not saying that this is true but imo it's a valid way of looking at his character. He's very ambivalent which makes him a great character. Having people argue so much is testament to a well written complex character. I just reject the idea that I can't call out his bullshit just because he is traumatized by everything that went down. It's still very wrong. It is good if you can view him in different ways because that makes for varied role playing. I've got my female Lavellan who still loves him and is convinced she can save him from himself and my male Lavellan who feels utterly betrayed by him and essentially had the veil (no pun intended) lifted from his eyes concerning what Solas really is. So as a player I can swap between the two points of view. Then it turns out we can do it all over again with Rook, which is great because I can offset each Rook against a different Inquisitor. However, there is one speech of Solas to Dorian that I really feel is either rank hypocrasy and exhibits a total lack of self awareness: • Dorian: Solas, for what it's worth, I'm sorry.The elven city of Arlathan sounds like a magical place, and for my ancestors to have destroyed it... • Solas: Dorian... hush. Empires rise and fall. Arlathan was no more "innocent" than your own Tevinter in its time. Your nostalgia for the ancient elves, however romanticized, is pointless. If you wish to make amends for past transgressions, free the slaves of all races who live in Tevinter today. • Dorian: I... don't know that I can do that. • Solas: Then how sorry are you? I just wanted to scream at him in Trespasser. "Do you recall what you said to Dorian? How could you when you knew what you were planning to do? If you really want to make amends for past transgressions then save all the races of the world today, not just your people."
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 24, 2024 19:24:36 GMT
I have a feeling that Solas has always been bound to Mythal in some way and his actions have very much been guided by what he knew she wanted, except when he gave the orb to Corypheus. That was him trying to break free of her plan. You know, Solas being a puppet of Mythal is about the only scenario where I might be willing to absolve him of SOME of the stuff he's done and feel kind of sorry for him. She was always a very crafty manipulative person even just as Flemeth grooming Morrigan. She's definitely the smarter of the two gods and I always thought she was two steps ahead of Solas at all times and that their goals do NOT align. Although maybe not where the orb was concerned. She might have underestimated just how much of a mess he makes of everything if left to his own devices. I also think it would be beautifully tragic if Solas did all this for her out of devotion to her and their former vision to end slavery only to realize that what's left of Mythal is a vengeful corrupted being and somehow his actions led to unleashing her truly horrific revenge plan. And in DA5 we will have some kind of Mythal abomination as the end boss, lol. Yeah, OK, too JRPG. But I really do like the idea that Mythal is no longer really his friend and that they want different things. Maybe she's actually the more reasonable one and Solas will realize that he failed her, that Mythal is actually a sort of guardian of New Thedas and is not pleased with the shit Solas has pulled. I can see current Mythal as both, good or evil. Hehe, I'd again point to Leliana - and her relationship with Justinia Anyway, the fact that Fen'Harel served under Mythal before he began his rebellion is established in Trespasser and hinted in Inquisition - though I do think Solas at some point was either friends or allies of Evanuris and believed in that project.... only to be let down terribly. It would explain his general distrust, as well as his distrust for institutions - and his insistence that they eventually get corrupt. Not even Inquisition was free of it. I suspect that Mythal was one of the few - or the only one - who tried to remain true to the god-kings original mission; but eventually she got too entangled in all the games between them and ended up in a position where she could only mitigate the damage or prevent some things to spin into more unnecessary violence, like when she managed to talk Elgar'nan and Falon'din into settling their differences via duel between their champions, instead of there being an open war - or like when she returned Andruil to her senses after her ventures into the Void. But she was too deep into the whole thing to say 'screw it' or openly stand against the rest of the Evanuris - she is consistently characterized as very powerful and crafty, but she's still 1 against 6. Anyway, it's already established that Solas didn't just do her bidding; didn't just instigate rebellion at her secret order - he's found out in the Deep Roads that the Evanuris were doing something that could end up with a catastrophe, and decided that enough is enough. It is true however that, at some point, it is heavily implied that Fen'Harel and Mythal worked with one another (if Inky drinks from the Well Of Sorrows they gain access to the ancient passphrase that was only available to Fen'Harel's allies) - so Fen'Harel worked on the outside pressure, while Mythal likely worked on blowing things from inside. I even find it likely that they secretly worked on the Veil together as a contingency. Or maybe the finished version of the Veil was supposed to have a subtler effect, but it was a work in progress. And then the Evanuris killed her - it could be because they found out that she's working with Fen'Harel; or it could be that there was some sort of power and knowledge that Mythal kept away from them (maybe it was knowledge how to enter the Void that Mythal stole from Andruil, according to myths?). Likely both. And Solas was left to scramble and use the Veil, as the only thing that could prevent things from spinning hopelessly out of control. So, ultimately he was the one to carry all the burden - and clearly, pushing that 'red button' on the Veil has messed him up. He may also be blaming himself not just for doing so, but at any point being unable to prevent things from going this far. So, he is indeed a character full of regret, but he feels he has to carry on - a thing likely exacerbated by Mythal handing him her powers at the end of Inquisition. However, Mythal appears to have returned to the world of the living weakened and diminished, but I'd say that it's noticeable that perspective of her and Solas are not identical. She even says "Regret is something I know well. Take care not to cling to it, to hold it so close that it poisons your soul." I have no idea what exactly she's up to - especially that she did indeed handed her powers for Solas, clearly giving him a green light to carry through with his plans - but I'd say that regardless whether she's going to be present in DAVe or not, she's not yet done.
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