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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 10, 2024 23:39:12 GMT
Well, not a complete waste of time. Further cemented my fears about the romances. If they’re this proud of the nudity in this game, would t be surprised if all romances have it meaning forced sex scenes. I wouldn't go that far. The Cora romance in Andromeda did have sex optional. We have no info that suggests they’ll do that in this game. We just know some romances won’t be as spicy as others, and that there are no “ace relationships”. So far that just sounds like some will be raunchy sex scenes while others will be sensual, sweet, etc but all romances will have them.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jul 11, 2024 0:09:35 GMT
*sigh* The romance topic. I will admit that this is the first time I'm not particularly excited to romance anyone in the BioWare game cast. I'm a very basic gay man looking for a basic gay romance and my options are an older gentleman necromancer, a short king with a mullet, and an elf. I feel like BioWare just never wants to give me what I want. I just want an Alistair, a Cullen, a Blackwall. Why can't I get my basic human male warrior. I'm basic. Gimme basic. It doesn't have to be quirky and weird and fantastical all the time lol. Anyway I hope Luc and Dav surprise me. If not, I'll probably go for Neve. Edit: Tho tbf, Fenris caught me off guard in DA2, mostly due to the voice actor and how steamy the rivalmance was. Maybe Dav will do the same
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 11, 2024 3:38:24 GMT
Right, I don’t think we’ll be seeing explicit on-screen 🦴ing for everyone. BW’s said (me thinks a little before Andromeda, IIRC) that they’re into the same model of Inquisition which they think worked well: one partner might be more seksual, the other more “Disney” fairy-tale, knight-in-shining armor-like (boooring! ugh), and Emmrich for example, intimate and sensual and gentlemanly & etc… so yeah, I expect there’ll be something for every taste. ^^
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 11, 2024 3:56:18 GMT
We’re not getting any new information until next week if I recall correctly, the writer for Game Informer said as much on Twitter. It’s mostly fluff pieces while he works to meet deadlines.
I remember nudity being played up in Inquisition in the lead up to release, then you had multiple romances that were fairly chaste. I expect something similar here, although we won’t know for sure until we learn more/the game releases. That’s not the same thing as explicit ace rep but I’d be surprised if BioWare moved away from it.
Davrin might be an elf, but he gives off similar energy to me as Alistair/Cullen/Blackwall. No clue if he’ll be as dorky as the first two or charismatic (and also a jerk!! :<) as Blackwall, but the vibes are there. And, I mean, he has a baby griffon… If that’s not husband material, I dunno what is.
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Post by roselavellan on Jul 11, 2024 6:31:36 GMT
One thing that BG3 did with companions and decisions in their plots I really enjoyed was having the option to let them choose what to do rather than only speaking for them. It made it feel more natural and better show how your influence on them as you travelled could affect them. I loved seeing Shadowheart choose to abandon Shar instead of telling her to for example. Meanwhile if you fully supported her with Shar, she chooses to stay loyal instead of telling her to. I agree that letting them ultimately choose their own path felt satisfying, however it doesn't change the fact that they were up to that point essentially moulded by Tav. It is this mouldability that I found excessive, and a character that mouldable by reason of youth or trauma is one I feel uncomfortable romancing, though of course I liked helping them. I did complain to my partner that I felt too much like a school counsellor a few times while playing BG3. I sincerely hope Bioware didn't go to that extent, though presumably - hopefully - I wouldn't have that issue with Emmrich.
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Post by Reznore on Jul 11, 2024 6:39:04 GMT
Yeah some BG3 companions can end up either "evilz" or "good" depending how you push them, I'm not a fan. It feels like character who have no core values on their own. All of those you can influence deeply are 30 years old +.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 11, 2024 7:33:39 GMT
The next articles really need to be good. Lately all that’s been released has been making me pessimistic about the game again. My pessiometer hasn't really diminished all that much since the awful reveal trailer...rather this incremental verbal approach has cause it to steadily rise. I've never been a fan of someone telling me how "great" something is, rather I need to be shown it really is... show, don't tell. What I need to see is gameplay with someone that actually knows how to play...against challenging and reactive enemies...at a sufficient level in the game that shows me how powers and companions are implemented into the fight. And instead of being told the CC has hundreds of sliders I need to be shown those sliders in action and how that character actually looks in a cutscene...as we all know too well how many times devs have failed to make that transition from the CC to those scenes.
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Post by roselavellan on Jul 11, 2024 8:15:36 GMT
Yeah some BG3 companions can end up either "evilz" or "good" depending how you push them, I'm not a fan. It feels like character who have no core values on their own. All of those you can influence deeply are 30 years old +. I understand both Lae'zel (and you can really shape Lae'zel) and Wyll to be young, whilst Shadowheart and Astarion have traumas to work through - Gale too, to a lesser extent. One of the reasons I love Karlach so much is that she really does feel like her own person, you can help her, but she won't do a 180 degree change for you.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jul 11, 2024 9:13:47 GMT
Davrin might be an elf, but he gives off similar energy to me as Alistair/Cullen/Blackwall. No clue if he’ll be as dorky as the first two or charismatic (and also a jerk!! :<) as Blackwall, but the vibes are there. And, I mean, he has a baby griffon… If that’s not husband material, I dunno what is. He better be maxed out on the triangle of girth that's all I'm saying.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 11, 2024 11:16:20 GMT
We’re not getting any new information until next week if I recall correctly, the writer for Game Informer said as much on Twitter. It’s mostly fluff pieces while he works to meet deadlines. I remember nudity being played up in Inquisition in the lead up to release, then you had multiple romances that were fairly chaste. I expect something similar here, although we won’t know for sure until we learn more/the game releases. That’s not the same thing as explicit ace rep but I’d be surprised if BioWare moved away from it. Davrin might be an elf, but he gives off similar energy to me as Alistair/Cullen/Blackwall. No clue if he’ll be as dorky as the first two or charismatic (and also a jerk!! :<) as Blackwall, but the vibes are there. And, I mean, he has a baby griffon… If that’s not husband material, I dunno what is. Yea hit' sthat ha tmakes m ethink he';ll be pefec for a female mqag e and considering my female mage will also be a warden makes me think she and Davrin wil be a good match.
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Post by Gwydden on Jul 11, 2024 12:12:23 GMT
Davrin might be an elf, but he gives off similar energy to me as Alistair/Cullen/Blackwall. No clue if he’ll be as dorky as the first two or charismatic (and also a jerk!! :<) as Blackwall, but the vibes are there. And, I mean, he has a baby griffon… If that’s not husband material, I dunno what is. Yeah, Davrin strikes me as the "basic" male companion this time round, elf or no. The game's website describes him as "bold and charming," so perhaps more of a Blackwall than an Alistair personality-wise. Lucanis appears to be the dork: "poised & pragmatic, but lacks social skills."
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jul 11, 2024 12:21:18 GMT
Iron Bull needs to come back to unveil (oops) the mystery of his black box
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 11, 2024 12:30:14 GMT
Iron Bull needs to come back to unveil (oops) the mystery of his black box I propose that if Dorian and Bull got together there should be a scene where Rook go to see Dorian and end up walking in on them just like Cullen, Josie and Cassandra walk in on the Inquisitor and Bull. Only this time we actually get to see what everyone was freaking out about.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 11, 2024 12:36:58 GMT
I see I missed a lot by only playing once romancing Solas, lol. This sounds like a particular BG3 scene...
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jul 11, 2024 12:48:11 GMT
It's a fun scene but kinda iffy cause I dont want my Bull to be treated as joke character so I'm fifty fifty, depends on my mood
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 11, 2024 13:50:53 GMT
For anyone who didn't romance Bull and see this in all its, um, glory, the possibly even more glorious storyboard version is here.
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Post by grallon on Jul 11, 2024 16:20:34 GMT
Remember, you upsell what you think will be your strong suit - which doesn't inspire much confidence here does it? I love me a good, robust CC - but if these carefully crafted characters have no engaging world to walk into then it's not much use is it? I already know there won't be a LI for me and I already know the combat will be slog to go through so that leaves the story... with us forced to partner with Solas from what we're told... I wanted to kill the fucker, not shack up with him! Meh I suggest we don't pre-order and we don't buy on day 1. Let's wait for actual gamers' reviews - there'll be plenty of footage then.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 11, 2024 20:06:36 GMT
Remember, you upsell what you think will be your strong suit - which doesn't inspire much confidence here does it? I love me a good, robust CC - but if these carefully crafted characters have no engaging world to walk into then it's not much use is it? I already know there won't be a LI for me and I already know the combat will be slog to go through so that leaves the story... with us forced to partner with Solas from what we're told... I wanted to kill the fucker, not shack up with him! Meh I suggest we don't pre-order and we don't buy on day 1. Let's wait for actual gamers' reviews - there'll be plenty of footage then. you concentrate your marketing on areas that need it or have the most questions. DAIs CC was (rightfully) raked over the coals and combat has always had the most questions per game. Besides lots of time till release for them to react to fan commentary and share more stuff.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 11, 2024 20:52:27 GMT
Remember, you upsell what you think will be your strong suit - which doesn't inspire much confidence here does it? I love me a good, robust CC - but if these carefully crafted characters have no engaging world to walk into then it's not much use is it? I already know there won't be a LI for me and I already know the combat will be slog to go through so that leaves the story... with us forced to partner with Solas from what we're told... I wanted to kill the fucker, not shack up with him! Meh I suggest we don't pre-order and we don't buy on day 1. Let's wait for actual gamers' reviews - there'll be plenty of footage then. you concentrate your marketing on areas that need it or have the most questions. DAIs CC was (rightfully) raked over the coals and combat has always had the most questions per game. Besides lots of time till release for them to react to fan commentary and share more stuff. Yeah I don't see them releasing the game before Octobe rs o I would as ythey'v go t3 or 4 monthst oshpow us wha tthey'v edone. Mos tof the questions I'v esen s ofar hav ebeen t odo wi ththe CC and the differn ttypes o fcomba toptoins for mages and warriors too t oan extent. So I expec tthey'll sho wsome of the CC and mayb esome mage gameplay in the next batch. I can' tas yfo rsuer o fcours ebut tha twould be m yguess. I presonally have seen enough t oconvince me to buy day 1 already but there aer stil some things I would like to see.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 11, 2024 21:20:11 GMT
Remember, you upsell what you think will be your strong suit - which doesn't inspire much confidence here does it? I love me a good, robust CC - but if these carefully crafted characters have no engaging world to walk into then it's not much use is it? I already know there won't be a LI for me and I already know the combat will be slog to go through so that leaves the story... with us forced to partner with Solas from what we're told... I wanted to kill the fucker, not shack up with him! Meh I suggest we don't pre-order and we don't buy on day 1. Let's wait for actual gamers' reviews - there'll be plenty of footage then. I'm fairly certain they so far "upsell" things they can actually talk about. After all - can they really talk about characters (without spoilering too much)? Can they really talk about story? They actually revealed quite a lot of initial storyline, particularly in that GI article - and quite a few people were upset by that. So no, I don't think right now they're just talking about things that "will be their strong suit" - they have to shape their marketing on things they (or their higher-ups) are OK to reveal right now, while keeping the 'goodies' either for later, or for those goodies to have an expected impact after the release.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 11, 2024 21:36:40 GMT
Remember, you upsell what you think will be your strong suit - which doesn't inspire much confidence here does it? I love me a good, robust CC - but if these carefully crafted characters have no engaging world to walk into then it's not much use is it? I already know there won't be a LI for me and I already know the combat will be slog to go through so that leaves the story... with us forced to partner with Solas from what we're told... I wanted to kill the fucker, not shack up with him! Meh I suggest we don't pre-order and we don't buy on day 1. Let's wait for actual gamers' reviews - there'll be plenty of footage then. I'm fairly certain they so far "upsell" things they can actually talk about. After all - can they really talk about characters (without spoilering too much)? Can they really talk about story? They actually revealed quite a lot of initial storyline, particularly in that GI article - and quite a few people were upset by that. So no, I don't think right now they're just talking about things that "will be their strong suit" - they have to shape their marketing on things they (or their higher-ups) are OK to reveal right now, while keeping the 'goodies' either for later, or for those goodies to have an expected impact after the release. Indeed therewere some things I wish the y hadn're revealed as I fel tthe ywere too spoilery in the article. I appreciate the info such as accessibbility options, stuff relating t ocharacte rcreation and skill tree progression alon gwit ha fwe clips of gamepla yt osho whow we put our skills to use in the game but with regards to story I'd rather the ykeep that as spoile rfree as possible. Because when i tcomes t ostor yI' drather uncover as much of that by myself once the game launches.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 11, 2024 22:52:37 GMT
Remember, you upsell what you think will be your strong suit - which doesn't inspire much confidence here does it? I love me a good, robust CC - but if these carefully crafted characters have no engaging world to walk into then it's not much use is it? I already know there won't be a LI for me and I already know the combat will be slog to go through so that leaves the story... with us forced to partner with Solas from what we're told... I wanted to kill the fucker, not shack up with him! Meh I suggest we don't pre-order and we don't buy on day 1. Let's wait for actual gamers' reviews - there'll be plenty of footage then. Not pre-ordering is, in general, a good rule of thumb.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 12, 2024 17:42:04 GMT
It's always interesting how people perceive things differently because I didn't see the main character of BG3 as shaping Lae'zel, Astarion or Shadowheart. Astarion and Lae'zel don't really become good in the true sense and still retain most of their edge, they just can have a start of something better at the end. Shadowheart always seemed good deep down anyway but it was stifled due to brainwashing, and some of the characters can make their own choices themselves without any persuasion.
I also think it's because influencing friends is not so unbelievable to me. I've seen it happen plenty of times to people I knew throughout my own life, for the better or worse, just by who they decided to hang around.
For Bioware, I guess I wouldn't mind companions being influenced by Rook, if it's minuscule and something about them stays true to themselves....especially if it can end up being their own decisions just by observing your actions. Oftentimes, I just think it's handled clunky or too quickly, or with strange dialogue. However I always appreciated Bioware letting some of the companions be influenced in their games, even if it was sometimes done in ways I didn't like.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 12, 2024 22:33:46 GMT
I don't mind being able to influence characters, there's just something very hollow to me about BG3 companions. I can take control of Lae'zel, initiate a dialogue sequence, and select options completely out of character for her. You can specc Gale as a barbarian, despite it making zero sense with his personal quest. They seemingly never form meaningful relationships with each other outside a handful of scripted interactions, most of which only exist in the first act, and banter that rarely ever moves beyond the superficial. (He's a vampire! She's a cleric! They don't like each other! Now they do!) There's certainly no banter that comes close to Solas and Bull's chess match, or Varric and Solas's argument about the lonely man on an island, or Cole telling Blackwall, 'it's not about you.' As someone who also appreciated Karlach, I will say I enjoyed her interactions in the city of Baldur's Gate. They worked very well.
Edit: I will also add that I don't think Larian is very good at writing evil characters. They tend to fall into campy, over-the-top territory far too often for my taste. Lae'zel, however, is an exception in this regard, and especially delightful early on.
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Post by jennica on Jul 12, 2024 22:42:36 GMT
I don't mind being able to influence characters, there's just something very hollow to me about BG3 companions. I can take control of Lae'zel, initiate a dialogue sequence, and select options completely out of character for her. They seemingly never form meaningful relationships with each other outside a handful of scripted interactions, most of which only exist in the first act, and banter that rarely ever moves beyond the superficial. (He's a vampire! She's a cleric! They don't like each other! Now they do!) There's certainly no banter that comes close to Solas and Bull's chess match, or Varric and Solas's argument about the lonely man on an island, or Cole telling Blackwall, 'it's not about you.' As someone who also appreciated Karlach, I will say I enjoyed her interactions in the city of Baldur's Gate. It worked very well. I feel like BG3 is better when it comes down to interactions between MC and companions, but interactions between companions are better in DA series. Banter in BG3 feels like a small talk that exists to fill silence and not something meaningful with some exceptions.
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