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Post by necrowaif on Jun 18, 2024 20:11:18 GMT
I must admit that the whole "Solas was the good guy after all" is a bit shit. C'mon, he "only" indirectly caused tens of thousands of deaths by giving his orb to Corypheus. Let bygones be bygones. Water under the bridge. Forgiven, forgotten.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 18, 2024 20:12:06 GMT
Lol. Tha article praises the art style changing from grimdark to whimsical Fable-esque style. That's going to be controversial. Although that mostly seems to be Arlathan Forest I can hear the screams already. The article made it clear the Devs said that doesn't apply to everywhere. There are other areas that are going to be really grimdark. They said one offsets the other so you really feel the difference. If everything is dark it isn't so jarring when you encounter it and if everything is bright, it just seems flat.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jun 18, 2024 20:12:49 GMT
All right, there's that pessimism, exacting standards, and self-importance Bioware fandom is famous for. So many here were pretty positive the last few days, I was beginning to worry. Especially for Hanako.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 18, 2024 20:13:59 GMT
We'll be in Solas house, with our babe, our friends, our loot, saving the world. Didn't someone say something about a spirit entity helping us craft things? What's the betting that's Solas trying to be helpful from the Fade because he just can't imagine how we can manage without him.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 18, 2024 20:14:53 GMT
I must admit that the whole "Solas was the good guy after all" is a bit shit. He "only" indirectly caused a few thousand deaths by giving his orb to Corypheus. C'mon, let bygones be bygones. Welp, it's the Inquisitor who disrupted that ritual ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2024 20:15:34 GMT
All right, there's that pessimism, exacting standards, and self-importance Bioware fandom is famous for. So many here were pretty positive the last few days, I was beginning to worry. Especially for Hanako. I’m not being pessimistic though. Overall I’m excited after reading the article.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jun 18, 2024 20:15:42 GMT
This whole '' x mage specializes in y elemental magic '' is kinda of... odd. Let me guess, Emmrich '' specializes '' in fire magic? Yeah... we were just discussing this in Neve's thread. In DAI,some of the promo material associated each mage to an element: Solas (Fire), Viv (Ice), Dorian (Lightning/Electric), on top of their Specializations. I low-key followed that path when building their abilities, but there was still lots of wiggle room (for one, some of the passives required you to go through certain spell nodes). I liked it. This, however, is getting more and more reminiscent of Mass Effect's system - especially when they mention companion's specs being unlocked through approval (Loyalty missions, anyone?) Not just streamlined, but (apparently) kinda limiting, potentially. I guess we'll see...
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Post by necrowaif on Jun 18, 2024 20:15:59 GMT
He "only" indirectly caused a few thousand deaths by giving his orb to Corypheus. C'mon, let bygones be bygones. Welp, it's the Inquisitor who disrupted that ritual ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) Objection! The Inquisitor disrupting the ritual screwed up Corypheus' plans, not Solas' plans. The explosion that destroyed the Conclave and killed thousands was always supposed to happen. What *didn’t* go to plan was Corypheus re-spawning and scooping up the orb afterwards.
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Post by MeadKnight on Jun 18, 2024 20:17:36 GMT
We'll be in Solas house, with our babe, our friends, our loot, saving the world. Didn't someone say something about a spirit entity helping us craft things? What's the betting that's Solas trying to be helpful from the Fade because he just can't imagine how we can manage without him. I think you just hit the nail on the head lol
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2024 20:20:07 GMT
I have argued against it for years, but I think at this point I'd rather just play as the Inquisitor. The description given to Rook is just not winning me over, unless there's a very good backstory to their recruitment. It's basically just '' they are competent, and potentially the best fit to lead this group of people, no McGuffins anywhere here '' like yeah okay, that's not very interesting or exciting. Granted, neither was Inquisitor, but at least they have rich background now with connections to many of the characters that play an integral role in the plot. Sounds perfect to me. And perfectly exciting to me. MacGuffin possession is pretty over rated. So if Solas is getting trapped in the Fade and the villains are two of the Evanuris, then what was the point of all that build-up involving the red lyrium idol? Is that just getting shuffled to the side? Doubt it. It is certainly possible, but doubt it. Keep in mind the game is still, now, called 'the Veilguard', so guarding the Veil is still likely to be the main thrust of the game. And the other two gods for their own reasons will likely want to complete that ritual and the Red Lyrium idol was always set up as something which could possibily do it....so a macguffin. On the other hand though I did suspect for awhile that the inclusion of the Red Lyrium idol itself wasn't that important but was window dressing to what we'd be doing in the game to stop SOlas and his merry band of evil people. That BioWare simply picked the next best thing that would get people's attention to show that relic hunting was going to be a part of the next games loop. Plus then you also had that job in Tevinter Nights also showing the same thing. BioWare’s marketing for the past few years: WE NEED SOMEONE NEW TO STOP SOLAS Veilguard: Actually, any asshole who can push over a pillar will do. His old Evanuris buddies will take care of the rest. Christ Almighty, I weep for this franchise. That's pretty much the exact person that would defeat Solas. SOmeone he'd never see coming. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) His one defining flaw is the man is extremly arrogant so he would very much over look the little guy + yet also someone who is like his own relationship to the Evanuris. A guy with a comparatively weak power scale leading a team to fight a much more superior force.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 18, 2024 20:21:34 GMT
Welp, it's the Inquisitor who disrupted that ritual ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) The Inquisitor disrupting the ritual screwed up Corypheus' plans, not Solas' plans. The explosion that destroyed the Conclave was always supposed to happen. Not at all - Solas tells us directly that it's Corypheus effective immortality that has screwed his plans. He appears to have been quite convinced Cory is just some powerful magister, not a blighted monstrosity that can hop blighted bodies. Also - Solas' people led Venatori to the orb; there is no indication whatsoever he knew that Cory will get the bright idea to elevate himself to godhood by targeting a holy figure at the Conclave she organized.
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Post by necrowaif on Jun 18, 2024 20:25:30 GMT
Also - Solas' people led Venatori to the orb; there is no indication whatsoever he knew that Cory will get the bright idea to elevate himself to godhood by targeting a holy figure at the Conclave she organized. “Your Honour, when I gave that gasoline and matches to an arsonist, I had no idea he would burn down a children’s hospital! You can’t blame me for those all those charcoal kiddies.”
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 18, 2024 20:30:10 GMT
“Your Honour, when I gave that gasoline and matches to an arsonist, I had no idea he would burn down a children’s hospital! You can’t blame me for those all those charcoal kiddies.” He was supposed to burn himself - this was meant to be a "two birds one stone thing" where Cory opens the orb and blows HIMSELF up and stops being any threat from Venatori side.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 18, 2024 20:32:49 GMT
All right, there's that pessimism, exacting standards, and self-importance Bioware fandom is famous for. So many here were pretty positive the last few days, I was beginning to worry. Especially for Hanako. I come here expecting people to be excited and they're complaining about not playing the Inquisitor among other trivial things? Where do I go to talk about the good stuff about the game? Tired of this complaining.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2024 20:34:35 GMT
“Your Honour, when I gave that gasoline and matches to an arsonist, I had no idea he would burn down a children’s hospital! You can’t blame me for those all those charcoal kiddies.” He was supposed to burn himself - this was meant to be a "two birds one stone thing" where Cory opens the orb and blows HIMSELF up and stops being any threat from Venatori side. What he was supposed to do doesn’t matter. Solas still gave a despot a nuclear weapon, so everyone killed from it and the fallout from that is on him.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 18, 2024 20:35:18 GMT
All right, there's that pessimism, exacting standards, and self-importance Bioware fandom is famous for. So many here were pretty positive the last few days, I was beginning to worry. Especially for Hanako. I come here expecting people to be excited and they're complaining about not playing the Inquisitor among other trivial things? Where do I go to talk about the good stuff about the game? Tired of this complaining. bsn.boards.net/thread/18445/dragon-age-veilguard-hype-train
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2024 20:36:55 GMT
So far I’m excited from what we’ve heard about Bellara. Might have to rethink how I will play my first Rook since it sounds very similar. Or just lean into it and have them be two peas in a pod.
*crosses fingers her romance has non-sexual route*
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 18, 2024 20:37:35 GMT
All right, there's that pessimism, exacting standards, and self-importance Bioware fandom is famous for. So many here were pretty positive the last few days, I was beginning to worry. Especially for Hanako. I come here expecting people to be excited and they're complaining about not playing the Inquisitor among other trivial things? Where do I go to talk about the good stuff about the game? Tired of this complaining. I'm just amused, because I've been in "I want to/I predict Inky's return" camp from the beginning, but I feel chill about playing the new protagonist - so long as Inky's contribution and story makes sense, I'm fine with Rook taking the spotlight.
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Post by necrowaif on Jun 18, 2024 20:37:48 GMT
He was supposed to burn himself - this was meant to be a "two birds one stone thing" where Cory opens the orb and blows HIMSELF up and stops being any threat from Venatori side. And once he died, Solas would scoop up the orb and tear down the Veil, unleashing hordes of demons upon Thedas. So Solas is not only responsible for all those who died at the Conclave, but also two counts of attempted genocide. Again, how is he the good guy in all this?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 18, 2024 20:38:00 GMT
It's funny that I have to go to one specific thread in what is supposedly fan forums to talk to people who want to see the good in things. Thanks.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 18, 2024 20:40:12 GMT
He was supposed to burn himself - this was meant to be a "two birds one stone thing" where Cory opens the orb and blows HIMSELF up and stops being any threat from Venatori side. What he was supposed to do doesn’t matter. Solas still gave a despot a nuclear weapon, so everyone killed from it and the fallout from that is on him. Solas have Cory a magical orb, not a nuclear weapon - everything that happened in the Conclave seems to have happened only because of Corypheus and what he was. Well, and Inky disrupting the ritual.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2024 20:41:40 GMT
It's funny that I have to go to one specific thread in what is supposedly fan forums to talk to people who want to see the good in things. Thanks. hey I'm excited. Two of my predictions are right, we have another interesting plot development... that they spoiled but oh well...and Rook is pretty much who I thought he'd be with some asterisks pending. But so far, still need to read the thing, I am pretty pumped.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2024 20:42:12 GMT
What he was supposed to do doesn’t matter. Solas still gave a despot a nuclear weapon, so everyone killed from it and the fallout from that is on him. Solas have Cory a magical orb, not a nuclear weapon - everything that happened in the Conclave seems to have happened only because of Corypheus and what he was. Well, and Inky disrupting the ritual. It’s called a comparison. Everything that happened at the Conclave is because Solas gave another madman an object that can be used as a weapon of mass destruction.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 18, 2024 20:45:54 GMT
The similarities with Inquisition's plot were quite apparent from the gameplay video. One thing I was wondering was how we got access to the Lighthouse and the Crossroads, and Solas being trapped explain that. Aside of wondering if the Blight will affect him, I do hope they'll take a similar approach as ME2 did, perhaps more extended, with the relationship with The Illusive Man.
I'd say that Solas' explanation doesn't really justify the need for secrecy. He wouldn't needed to divulge where and how exactly the ritual would've worked, if he wanted to keep those part secret, but he could've tried to explain it to the Inquisitor/Varric.
The fact that the Evanuris are already blighted makes me even more convinced (although I can very well be wrong), of them not being the OG. For what we know, the OG aren't tainted until the darkspawn find them, triggering the Blight.
All the talk about gameplay and world building, and focus on characters sounds good to great (aside of a couple things), I do think they'd have got a better reception if they showcased in full the gameplay.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 18, 2024 20:47:47 GMT
He was supposed to burn himself - this was meant to be a "two birds one stone thing" where Cory opens the orb and blows HIMSELF up and stops being any threat from Venatori side. And once he died, Solas would scoop up the orb and tear down the Veil, unleashing hordes of demons upon Thedas. So Solas is not only responsible for all those who died at the Conclave, but also two counts of attempted genocide. Again, how is he the good guy in all this? "Attempted genocide" isn't the goal at all, same way it wasn't when he switched off magic for Elvenhan - that was an attempt to save what he can from something worse than destroying a civilization, so I'm little baffled why people are so quick to dismiss this as deliberate attempt to erase people. ...But I guess it's just easy to dismiss a much more complex situation like that. Just throw the word "genocide!" to shut everyone up. In any case, we don't yet know all the motivations to dismantle the Veil, but even now it's quite apparent it's something more than "I want things how they were before!"
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