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Post by Kendaric on Jul 1, 2024 15:23:13 GMT
Uh, what? Black elves have existed since day one. Not really. The darkest skin tone available to elves in DAO was way lighter than Davrin's skin. Also, Davrin's facial features looks more like a black guy doing an elven cosplay than an actual elf to me. Your mileage may vary of course, but I'd have prefered it if he was human rather than elf.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jul 1, 2024 18:37:16 GMT
Last I checked, whore is a derogatory term so yes misogyny. It isn't a derogatory term if not used as an insult that's not really how words work
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Post by q5tyhj on Jul 1, 2024 18:37:50 GMT
oh yeah I remember how much the brothels added to TW3... oh, wait, nevermind lol
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Post by Felya87 on Jul 1, 2024 20:06:44 GMT
I never use brothels. In any game. I only visit them if is related to a quest, but I fail to see what add to the experience.
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Post by Kendaric on Jul 1, 2024 20:25:35 GMT
I never use brothels. In any game. I only visit them if is related to a quest, but I fail to see what add to the experience.
They add to immersion and atmosphere but I guess Dragon Age isn't about that anymore but rather about flashy combat moves and effects.
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 1, 2024 21:02:11 GMT
Uh, what? Black elves have existed since day one. Not really. The darkest skin tone available to elves in DAO was way lighter than Davrin's skin. Also, Davrin's facial features looks more like a black guy doing an elven cosplay than an actual elf to me. Your mileage may vary of course, but I'd have prefered it if he was human rather than elf. Elves aren't real. Literally every elf can be described as "looking like someone cosplaying as an elf."
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Post by emissaryoflies on Jul 1, 2024 21:07:42 GMT
We’ve waited ten years for a meaningful video game follow up to one of the greatest rpg series. If it means less development in ANY area that would improve the quality of the final product, hard no. I don’t play DA for the brothels and other games have already done it much better. Another ‘Hanged Man’ will more than suffice.
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Post by grallon on Jul 1, 2024 21:40:50 GMT
I'll tell you what's not real; that every video game, movie, tv show reproduces the demographic makeup of downtown LA or New-York, or London, or Toronto - regardless of the time period or historical context these medium presume to depict. Just to fill DEI quotas. THAT is what's not real.
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Post by biggydx on Jul 1, 2024 21:42:40 GMT
The "women cannot be busty in my games" crowd won't like this thread. I think if handled right there's a place for all types of hanky-panky which is a part of life and we can have choices not to engage or to engage. I think a 2024 game can handle sex issues and body type issues respectfully. Larian did. I would argue that Witcher 3, and I love that game, got a little leering with it. But Larian did it right. I am ok with a brothel in game and I am ok with the fact that some might be titillated. Life is really to short to just avoid everything about it. I say this in my mid-50s so I know of what I speak. Enjoy yourselves. You don't have all the time you think you do. I'm not even sure why this would matter to them since we know the game has a bust slider. Since our characters will presumably be able to use the Eluvians transport themselves to other cities, there might be an option for some fun at a brothel, but I do think it's unlikely. That said, I don't think BioWare is shy of nudity considering they had almost full-on nudity in Inquisition. Apparently, there's also full-on nudity in this game as well with being able to see your junk. IIRC, I think they even modeled Iron Bull's dick at some point. Now that I think about it, I wonder how weird that shit's gotta be? "Hey Steve, how I work this tool so I get his dick to bend downwards?"
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 1, 2024 21:56:33 GMT
I'll tell you what's not real; that every video game, movie, tv show reproduces the demographic makeup of downtown LA or New-York, or London, or Toronto - regardless of the time period or historical context these medium presume to depict. Just to fill DEI quotas. THAT is what's not real. AAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! SCARY WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by phoray on Jul 1, 2024 22:47:39 GMT
The brothels debate has already been done much better on this forum. Wonder if I can find it. Edit: I see reference to it as the "brothels thread" in a 2017 conversation. Bet it's over in the DAI section. Edit 2: I found it. Hilariously, I was the one concerned and started that thread. bsn.boards.net/thread/13326/brothels-da4-mark-darrah-tweet
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 2, 2024 1:42:46 GMT
The brothels debate has already been done much better on this forum. Wonder if I can find it. Edit: I see reference to it as the "brothels thread" in a 2017 conversation. Bet it's over in the DAI section. Edit 2: I found it. Hilariously, I was the one concerned and started that thread. bsn.boards.net/thread/13326/brothels-da4-mark-darrah-tweetYou've always been quite the agitator.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 2, 2024 6:58:23 GMT
Uh, what? Black elves have existed since day one. Not really. The darkest skin tone available to elves in DAO was way lighter than Davrin's skin. Also, Davrin's facial features looks more like a black guy doing an elven cosplay than an actual elf to me. Your mileage may vary of course, but I'd have prefered it if he was human rather than elf. What even is an actual elf in Dragon Age, though? Just like the overall art style, the elves have had redesigns in every single game, the only consistent trait being pointy ears (and vallaslin for adult Dalish). In DAO they were short humans with pointy ears, in DA2 they were slightly taller but still short humans with pointy ears and bug eyes, in DAI they were short and severely underfed humans with pointy ears. That should be more of an issue than skin color. And since we already have Zevran and Fenris, who are darker skinned based on their places of origin (Antiva and Tevinter), an elf who is darker skinned than even them who may hail from Rivain or the Anderfels is not so far out of the realm of possibility. I see why Bioware is moving away from the overt sex because previously it wasn't handled well. It was mostly depicted for laughs, even derogatory ones (remember the surprise crossdresser in the Pearl?). I don't agree that they should move away from it but I get it. If in the past it wasn't handled well, keep it for the future and handle it properly, with the seriousness it deserves, when the need calls for it. Sex can be fun and funny, it's a way for people to connect or decompress, whether you pay for it, do it with someone you'll never see again, or it's done with a long term partner. Sex can also be scary and manipulative if used by people with ulterior motives. There's room for both to exist. DAO and DA2 had desire demons just be naked ladies who fondled themselves, a way to handle that depiction and not be a cringey 12 year old who just discovered boobs would be to have them be less fondly in their idle animations and be more androgynous, or even have different character models that appear to different characters based on preference. But that's where the tricky part comes in, what's the gain by putting in the time and people effort to create multiple character models, adjust animations for each of them, record actors doing different vocal tones or adjust one recording's vocal pitch for each model? Something like this would require it to be an important part of the story or part of a bigger side quest to justify the distribution of work in this area rather than another area that would have a larger benefit overall. Brothels are still there in lore and maybe even in the city architecture, desire demons are still there, sex is still there, both consensual and nonconsensual, that doesn't mean we have to always see it. Don't get me wrong, I'll chuckle at a funny "heh booba/cocka" but, after the 3rd time, it overstays its welcome if that's the only reason it exists.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jul 2, 2024 8:07:54 GMT
Once again I haven't been sleeping well so the next offering comes by via my sleep deprived brain: I started to read this thread and got immensely amused by the mental image of people who want brothels in Veilguard, doing nothing else than hanging out in brothels for the entirety of the whole game.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 2, 2024 8:14:25 GMT
No interessting romance option? Darvin and Lucanis aren't your taste? What have you romanced in the other games?
The pixar mortalitasi is oooolllddd (in Olenna Tyrell's voice) There are no such thing as black elves (glares at Rings of Prime) The Crow has a beard, I cannot abide beards on guys. As for past romance, Alistair and Zevran, Fenris & Anders, Cullen (with a mod) and once iron Bull... for the kinks. I agree with Rings of Prime. But this isn't the Lord of the rings Univers. We have in the DAO cityelf origin at least latin elves. They had darker skin and a bit different face structure. So black elves exsiste since DAO, only not so on the nose. Then wait with the crow for a no beard mod. The blackwall mod with him without beard was very popular, if i remember right. Some had said Fenris romance could be similar with the crow(Lucanis) romance. Because of what his writer said.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 2, 2024 8:28:21 GMT
I never use brothels. In any game. I only visit them if is related to a quest, but I fail to see what add to the experience.
They add to immersion and atmosphere but I guess Dragon Age isn't about that anymore but rather about flashy combat moves and effects.
Dragon age was for me always about story and companions. And DA:TV fit that for me.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 2, 2024 8:32:22 GMT
I'll tell you what's not real; that every video game, movie, tv show reproduces the demographic makeup of downtown LA or New-York, or London, or Toronto - regardless of the time period or historical context these medium presume to depict. Just to fill DEI quotas. THAT is what's not real. I agree. But i wouldn't put Dragon age on the list. Because Dragon age has no historical context and the elves allways where human with pointing ears. This isn't any Wiking or asia historical game.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 2, 2024 8:47:34 GMT
Once again I haven't been sleeping well so the next offering comes by via my sleep deprived brain: I started to read this thread and got immensely amused by the mental image of people who want brothels in Veilguard, doing nothing else than hanging out in brothels for the entirety of the whole game. Indeed. More and more I've been thinking Bioware should absolutely include one but only if patrons who frequent such establishments earn the moniker "little finger" and something equally flattering for girls.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 2, 2024 8:53:09 GMT
What even is an actual elf in Dragon Age, though? Just like the overall art style, the elves have had redesigns in every single game, the only consistent trait being pointy ears (and vallaslin for adult Dalish). In DAO they were short humans with pointy ears, in DA2 they were slightly taller but still short humans with pointy ears and bug eyes, in DAI they were short and severely underfed humans with pointy ears. That should be more of an issue than skin color. And since we already have Zevran and Fenris, who are darker skinned based on their places of origin (Antiva and Tevinter), an elf who is darker skinned than even them who may hail from Rivain or the Anderfels is not so far out of the realm of possibility. And maybe this could be the story reason: Solas doesn't only take their immortality but also the elven look away with the veil. And elven get more and more human over the years. We than also explain why human and elve get a human child. Because human DNA is dominant. Then the only question is where does humans come from? And anothere what does elven really look like? Look at the elven gods. ![:whistle:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/KsWEGtwHLHUtTuiWt0OV.png) They are corrupted like corphy, but they look different then him.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 2, 2024 10:54:22 GMT
Once again I haven't been sleeping well so the next offering comes by via my sleep deprived brain: I started to read this thread and got immensely amused by the mental image of people who want brothels in Veilguard, doing nothing else than hanging out in brothels for the entirety of the whole game. I want an achievement for that: "Failed to stop the evanuris and prevent the apocalypse due to excessive focus on personal pleasure." This is supposed to be a roleplaying game after all and I enjoy playing characters who are nothing like me. Had a lot of fun playing a completely unhinged durge in BG3 who'd also fuck anything willing. ANYTHING. Obviously DAV isn't ruined without brothels but definitely not something out of place in Tevinter I would think. Both the seedy sad kind and the high class fun kind.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jul 2, 2024 11:43:26 GMT
The "women cannot be busty in my games" crowd won't like this thread. I think if handled right there's a place for all types of hanky-panky which is a part of life and we can have choices not to engage or to engage. I think a 2024 game can handle sex issues and body type issues respectfully. Larian did. I would argue that Witcher 3, and I love that game, got a little leering with it. But Larian did it right. I am ok with a brothel in game and I am ok with the fact that some might be titillated. Life is really to short to just avoid everything about it. I say this in my mid-50s so I know of what I speak. Enjoy yourselves. You don't have all the time you think you do. I'm not even sure why this would matter to them since we know the game has a bust slider. Since our characters will presumably be able to use the Eluvians transport themselves to other cities, there might be an option for some fun at a brothel, but I do think it's unlikely. That said, I don't think BioWare is shy of nudity considering they had almost full-on nudity in Inquisition. Apparently, there's also full-on nudity in this game as well with being able to see your junk. IIRC, I think they even modeled Iron Bull's dick at some point. Now that I think about it, I wonder how weird that shit's gotta be? "Hey Steve, how I work this tool so I get his dick to bend downwards?" I was recalling the furious comments years ago at the old BSN over Isabela's breasts and Miranda's derriere. Apparently to avoid all possibility of male gaze all female characters should be flat as a board. I don't know what was more ridiculous: people who wanted ridiculous body amplification or people who wanted zero curvature to women or men. I prefer realism. So I think in the cc that Veilguard is having we will get more realism. We can be fat, slim, tall, short, well endowed in the penis department of not or have big breasts or not which is...much like real life is. Hooray for that. As for brothels. They are not necessary for me to enjoy the game. As I said I think Witcher 3 was very leering about them and it was definitely "male fantasy." I've read every single Geralt novel and short story published and Geralt's actual interactions with prostitutes are minimal and rather tame compared to the game. He's not really James Bond at all. That was a choice CDPR made and it reflects more on the puerile mindset of the developers.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 2, 2024 13:47:38 GMT
I think Witcher 3 was very leering about them and it was definitely "male fantasy." I've read every single Geralt novel and short story published and Geralt's actual interactions with prostitutes are minimal and rather tame compared to the game. He's not really James Bond at all. That was a choice CDPR made and it reflects more on the puerile mindset of the developers. Definitely. I love this game and am currently replaying and almost loving it more than the first time. But it was such a ridiculous level of male gaze. Book Geralt isn't a slut at all. I'm not offended at that as a woman though. Just amused. Imo looking for hot people to romance in normal and applies to both sexes and all orientations. Should not get demonized as a male "problem". It's not a problem as long as we're not talking rape simulators. And even those are preferable to people doing it in RL... I DO understand male gamers being disgruntled at politically correct female characters. It IS very much a thing. Beyond me how some people don't see it. And I'm not even a guy! Because, let's be honest, it doesn't apply to male love interests for women (or gay men). None of the female romance options in DAI were as model level handsome as Cullen. And I daresay Lucanis is way hotter than any of the female options again. Not every complaint is misogynistic hate speech. Brothels in DAV would be less "problematic" than in W3 because Rook is a blank slate character while Geralt is based on the character from the book series who was very much not some womanizing creep. But because it's a roleplaying game you could play him totally out of character. Nothing would be out of character for Rook and there are many ways you can set up brothels without being leering and creepy.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jul 2, 2024 13:59:46 GMT
I think Witcher 3 was very leering about them and it was definitely "male fantasy." I've read every single Geralt novel and short story published and Geralt's actual interactions with prostitutes are minimal and rather tame compared to the game. He's not really James Bond at all. That was a choice CDPR made and it reflects more on the puerile mindset of the developers. Definitely. I love this game and am currently replaying and almost loving it more than the first time. But it was such a ridiculous level of male gaze. Book Gerald isn't a slut at all. I'm not offended at that as a woman though. Just amused. Imo looking for hot people to romance in normal and applies to both sexes and all orientations. Should not get demonized as a male "problem". It's not a problem as long as we're not talking rape simulators. And even those are preferable to people doing it in RL... I DO understand male gamers being disgruntled at politically correct female characters. It IS very much a thing. Beyond me who some people don't see it. And I'm not even a guy! Because, let's be honest, it doesn't apply to male love interests for women (or gay men). None of the female romance options in DAI were as model level handsome as Cullen. And I daresay Lucanis is way hotter than any of the female options again. Not every complaint is misogynistic hate speech. Brothels in DAV would be less "problematic" than in W3 because Rook is a blank slate character while Geralt is based on the character from the book series who was very much not some womanizing creep. But because it's a roleplaying game you could play him totally out of character. Nothing would be out of character for Rook and there are many ways you can set up brothels without being leering and creepy. I think there is a bit of balancing out going on but in general I think beauty is subjective. I thought Cassandra was cute and sexily scarred. Josephine was pretty by my standards only her personality wasn't cutting it for me but again it's subjective really. I sort of try to understand what young males are so angry about and often fail. I mean there was an outcry over the appearance of the heroine for the upcoming Star Wars: Outlaws game. I saw a lot of "she's too masculine" comments in threads. I don't get it. It's subjective again but she looks perfectly femme and attractive to me. Lucanis might be pretty but I think Neve is too at least in my tastes. Just from the gameplay trailer alone she has that "it" that swagger and sexiness but it's, once again, subjective. If they do brothels in Dav (I bet they have not) then the best route is to handle it the way Larian did rather than CDPR. *I should add that Josephine is absolutely gorgeous in DAI and voiced by one of the world's most attractive actors: Indira Varma. That I never romanced Josephine was because I knew she'd be exactly the sort of date that would stiff the wait staff out of a tip.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 2, 2024 14:19:01 GMT
And I daresay Lucanis is way hotter than any of the female options again. Just going to say here that if the heterosexual guys are not happy with their options this game, I think they will never be happy. They have one option from each race and they all look pretty good to me. I have noticed complaints about Taash not being feminine enough, so I assume those individuals don't actually want to romance a qunari but a tall human with horns. If that is their preference, then they can create their ideal "qunari" female as Rook and romance someone else. To be honest, whilst I'm happy enough with the male options, I do think the female options have the edge in the looks department. However, I'm firmly of the opinion that looks aren't everything and based off what we know, the male options probably have the edge for intriguing personality. Still, perhaps it is as well not to judge anyone until we get to know them. I'm hopeful that they are telling the truth when they claim there is going to be plenty of depth to these characters and interesting personal stories attached to them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 2, 2024 14:36:51 GMT
On a related subject, how do you suppose they are going to handle monogamy this game? I remember back with DAO that I created one Warden, my Cousland noble, whose favourite reading was that sex manual at the beginning and he spent the rest of the game basically working through it. (At least that is how I imagined him viewing it). So, starting with the elven servant, he moved on to Morrigan, Leliana and finally settled on Zevran as his lover, whilst marrying Anora. (He also persuaded Leliana to do a foursome with Isabella and Zevran). Somehow he ended up with Leliana still adoring him, Zevran happy to accommodate him and offering to kill off Anora anytime he asked, whilst at the end of DAA Anora seemed devoted to him too. I still don't know how he managed that. Somehow I must have had him say all the right things! Only Morrigan was pissed with him because he wouldn't do her dark ritual.
Since, then they have become rather more cautious with allowing you to sleep with more than one person at a time. I had to be really careful with Isabella because I discovered if you slept with her then Fenris was no longer an option, so my gay Hawke flirted with her (just as Dorian did with my Lavellan) and she apparently got totally the wrong idea and thought he wanted sex and seemed affronted when he refused. There was a bug that had another Hawke in a confirmed relationship with Fenris in Act 3, only to have Merrill turn up and think they were an item (owing to me having complimented her on her eyes in Act 1) and somehow I ended the game with Fenris in the final farewell scene but Merrill in the epilogue. However, that was definitely a bug not something that was meant to be possible.
So far as I could tell, it was very much you had to break off with one person in DAI before you could pursue another relationship beyond the initial flirting. My Cousland would have been most disappointed. I can see how Rook would need to be careful not to rock the boat when it came to team morale but how do you think they will handle the issue this time round?
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