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Post by necrowaif on Jul 2, 2024 14:46:32 GMT
I should add that Josephine is absolutely gorgeous in DAI and voiced by one of the world's most attractive actors: Indira Varma. That I never romanced Josephine was because I knew she'd be exactly the sort of date that would stiff the wait staff out of a tip. You’re mixing up Josephine and Vivienne there, loyalnub. Josie’s VA was Allegra Clark.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jul 2, 2024 14:51:06 GMT
I should add that Josephine is absolutely gorgeous in DAI and voiced by one of the world's most attractive actors: Indira Varma. That I never romanced Josephine was because I knew she'd be exactly the sort of date that would stiff the wait staff out of a tip. You’re mixing up Josephine and Vivienne there, loyalnub. Josie’s VA was Allegra Clark. Right! I meant Viv. Knew that and still brain-farted! ![](https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/61ee468ffc4bd1400391a957/6351aac3bf109744117f5821_Ex615MeS4RXFaBX2iKOofmfURfaVmNxNCzVbyxyCnuQAN_qVphPhg7lGnINJcyayq0Q_m3VULBLLOknEyJAJ9ivhsHC6a_i0yBYwgRenbIkAQkh_Yc081VcaPhSl9bE9mWLTyeoshmc_1JiZCsMW0J0Bs932QPp8gi3w8c5VyK4EVKvz_u3k7_KyUg.jpeg)
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 2, 2024 15:07:40 GMT
I do think there’s a school of thought in the game industry* that less conventionally attractive female characters = more realistic, and that female characters can’t show off too much skin or have curvaceous figures because that’s sexist.
If you want a great example of this, just look at the last four Mortal Kombat games. In MK9, the fanservice was way over the top and kind of silly, but it was reeled in with each sequel. Just look up Sonya Blade in MKX and MK1 and tell me there isn’t a noticeable downgrade.
*I should note this really only applies to the western gaming industry, as anyone who’d played Street Fighter 6 or Tekken 8 that the girls are as hot as they’ve ever been.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jul 2, 2024 15:11:57 GMT
And I daresay Lucanis is way hotter than any of the female options again. Just going to say here that if the heterosexual guys are not happy with their options this game, I think they will never be happy. They have one option from each race and they all look pretty good to me. I have noticed complaints about Taash not being feminine enough, so I assume those individuals don't actually want to romance a qunari but a tall human with horns. If that is their preference, then they can create their ideal "qunari" female as Rook and romance someone else. To be honest, whilst I'm happy enough with the male options, I do think the female options have the edge in the looks department. However, I'm firmly of the opinion that looks aren't everything and based off what we know, the male options probably have the edge for intriguing personality. Still, perhaps it is as well not to judge anyone until we get to know them. I'm hopeful that they are telling the truth when they claim there is going to be plenty of depth to these characters and interesting personal stories attached to them. you're underestimating straight male gamers capacity for whining about stupid shit- we're really good at it
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jul 2, 2024 15:19:42 GMT
Huh. Maybe it's because I started properly gaming much later, but I've never understood the desire to have a game that's perfectly set like I personally want it. If I've not liked some choices, I may have grumbled to myself, but I've thought of it as more of a 'me'problem'.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 2, 2024 15:32:15 GMT
You’re mixing up Josephine and Vivienne there, loyalnub. Josie’s VA was Allegra Clark. Right! I meant Viv. Knew that and still brain-farted! Ah, I was confused when reading that. Both because yeah wrong voice actor and also Josephine would never stiff the wait staff of a tip.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 2, 2024 15:35:31 GMT
I mean there was an outcry over the appearance of the heroine for the upcoming Star Wars: Outlaws game. I saw a lot of "she's too masculine" comments in threads. I don't get it. It's subjective again but she looks perfectly femme and attractive to me. Yeah Outlaws baffled me! My reaction was "oh look, for once a hot woman in a Western game" and then I see the comments... Seriously, I too thought she was sexy and I love the 70s vibe. There definitely are a lot of crybabies on the internet. Not denying that. But then I see the Fable trailer and I'm sorry but that girl is not attractive. I see way more attractive women in the street every day. Hell, *I* look better than that! One of the worst character models I have ever seen. I do know that men and women can have very different definitions of attractive and sexy when it comes to women. The body mods for Bethesda games are sometimes so grotesque it's really disconcerting how that's still attractive to men. I have never seen male body mods THAT exaggerated. These body mods are hideous to me, yet they are very popular. Also the way so many men dress female characters and especially the makeup they apply often looks like cheap prostitute. Very off-putting. But each to their own. Even if a lot of the hate online is over the top there's gotta be a grain of truth in that. I mean, nobody is complaining about Stellar Blade, I would guess. Conventionally beautiful and sexy women in western games are becoming more and more rare is my impression too. And I daresay it's because women feel insecure and intimidated and we can't have that. Body image issues and whatnot. Oddly nobody worries about that with young men seeing all those jacked up superhero dudes in games. I never see any male characters hit with the "ugly stick". None of the DAI female companions/advisors are ugly to me but they aren't conventionally beautiful except for Leliana and she's not a romance options for obvious reasons. Morrigan is also out of the picture. So I do get it and I do see it most of the time. Ugly might be hyperbole in most cases. But the sexiness is getting noticeably toned down imo. And ONLY for female characters which makes it all so hypocritical to me. Now of course DAI and now DAV have older dudes as romance options which is not necessarily great either. DAI had only Cullen as a pretty boy. But at least we did get Cullen.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 2, 2024 15:37:33 GMT
Taash not being feminine enough I don't know...maybe not make "her" look like a man. I do think the female options have the edge Funny you say that I was thinking the same thing for the other side. Same as you I'm generally okay with my options. If I get a top notch story and enjoyable combat I can live with subpar elements elsewhere.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 2, 2024 15:41:15 GMT
Huh. Maybe it's because I started properly gaming much later, but I've never understood the desire to have a game that's perfectly set like I personally want it. If I've not liked some choices, I may have grumbled to myself, but I've thought of it as more of a 'me'problem'. Oh for sure. I just like analyzing and discussing stuff even if I don't even care that much. Just always curious about the why/why not of things.
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Post by wickedcool on Jul 2, 2024 16:48:13 GMT
Dao was so dark and immersive and it’s always felt like the community gives the developers excuses
Resources are better spent elsewhere- where? Shouldn’t there be 100x more resources than what was given in dao.
We were hinted and flat out told that tevinter was this place of slavery etc. so now we are in that territory and yet it feels less like ancient times and based on the trailer something out of a sci-fi movie? I’m getting the impression that the city in da2 will have been more dangerous
For me personally I dont need the omg did that just happen in Bg3 with relationships. I’m ok with a fade to black
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 2, 2024 17:20:28 GMT
DAO did have a fair bit of light-hearted humour and good outcomes too; we shouldn’t forget that. The Dog basically existed purely for comedy (as well as biting out throats).
But even though you can see naughty bits in DAI, it also feels a lot less “adult” than DAO. Outside of party members, advisors and Harding, there’s a grand total of one NPC you can flirt with or engage in a sexual encounter.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 2, 2024 17:41:39 GMT
DAO did have a fair bit of light-hearted humour and good outcomes too; we shouldn’t forget that. The Dog basically existed purely for comedy (as well as biting out throats). Again, as they were saying about the brighter fantasy world of Arlathan this game, the humour of DAO contrasted with the darker parts that were pure horror. You appreciated one because of the other. But even though you can see naughty bits in DAI, it also feels a lot less “adult” than DAO. Outside of party members and advisors, there’s a grand total of one NPC you can engage in a sexual encounter (Harding doesn’t count). There was less of a contrast there. There were some bits of horror, like the Temple of Dirthamen, and some humour, although I did find some of it a bit juvenile, but on the whole much of the world we were wandering around was light and pretty to look at, whilst very often the real horror was restricted to codices telling us or people recounting it after the event. Even the Nightmare Demon was grotesque but nothing really disturbing. If some of those codices had been accompanied by the voices of the people experiencing them, that could have made it a lot darker. Take the occulara. The actual process for creating them was horrific but we only read about it and saw a load of skulls on the shelves, plus perhaps had the odd comment if we took the right companion with us. Then we were asked to use them to locate shards that enabled a major side quest, reducing the impact of the horror associated with them. We never even got to judge anyone over this. It wasn't on Alexius' charge sheet. Who was the NPC you could have a sexual encounter with? I don't remember that at all.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 2, 2024 17:47:31 GMT
Who was the NPC you could have a sexual encounter with? I don't remember that at all. During Josephine’s quest line, if you follow her way instead of Leliana one of the steps requires getting a noblewoman’s support. You can offer a few ways the Inquisition will repay her, but one of the options is sleeping with her.
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Post by Walter Black on Jul 2, 2024 18:27:51 GMT
I wouldn't expect anything like brothels in a game that replaced the word "race" with "lineage" because the former is now ick. Slaves are probably going to be "indentured employees with different levels of agency" or some such. But all things considered I'd prefer them to use their resources for story and gameplay related stuff anyway. I don't really care about brothels one way or another. You don't need them to engage in one night stands, threesomes, bondage, or any other kinky behavior. It's more the whitewashing and railroading that I lament. If our PC's carnal pursuits are being curtailed, what does that say for potential evil options? At least slavery still exists in Thedas; for PATHFINDER 2nd edition, Pazio stated they will phase out the very concept. NO ONE will participate in the slave trade; not criminals or pirates, not evil empires or even literal devil worshipers. They say this is to avoid being insensitive to people descended from slaves, but I would argue that sounds just a tiny bit pratonizing that none of those people could handle it. Not to mention that players can no longer FIGHT slavers and free their victims.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 2, 2024 19:01:41 GMT
They say this is to avoid being insensitive to people descended from slaves Is this for real?? Wow, just... wow. The western world has become a parody at this point. I bet nobody actually descended from slaves thinks this way. Same with cultural appropriation. I've seen countless videos of people being PROUD others think their culture is so cool they wear their stuff. It's unreal what's happening to society. Depicting slavery or rape as bad is a good thing, no??? Fucking hell, man. We're doomed. I really hope this is just a very long phase of insanity and we can come back from this nonsense...
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Post by Little Bengel on Jul 2, 2024 19:18:07 GMT
At least slavery still exists in Thedas; for PATHFINDER 2nd edition, Pazio stated they will phase out the very concept. NO ONE will participate in the slave trade; not criminals or pirates, not evil empires or even literal devil worshipers. A google search tells me that what you are saying is different from what I am reading. It'll still be a part of the setting (and the impression I'm getting is that players will be able to approach it how they want), but official materials won't mention it as much. Regardless of everything else, that's an entirely different thing from "yeah we're retconning slavery out of existence lmao"
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Post by Reznore on Jul 2, 2024 19:32:01 GMT
Sometimes I enjoy playing lunatics who spend too much time in brothels, drinking, getting high and making the worst life choices. Games are power fantasy, and sure saving the world is cool and all but I already do my best impression of responsible adult IRL and doing it in games too can get stale. DA has been getting poorer and poorer RP wise, looking forward to my very polite milk drinking pirate Lord of Fortune.
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Post by celestielf on Jul 2, 2024 19:58:24 GMT
Even if a lot of the hate online is over the top there's gotta be a grain of truth in that. I mean, nobody is complaining about Stellar Blade, I would guess. Conventionally beautiful and sexy women in western games are becoming more and more rare is my impression too. And I daresay it's because women feel insecure and intimidated and we can't have that. Body image issues and whatnot. Oddly nobody worries about that with young men seeing all those jacked up superhero dudes in games. I never see any male characters hit with the "ugly stick". From my perspective, Stellar Blade doesn't put me off because it makes me feel insecure. Rather, the manner in which the game frames Eve gives me the ick. Because the game forces the male gaze on the viewer by, for example, focusing on Eve's backside as she goes up a ladder, it made me feel voyeuristic. So in that instance, it wasn't the way she looks (she's very cute!), but rather how the game presented her as a sex object. I get that many people, men and women alike, enjoy the game and that's fine. It just wasn't for me at all. I agree that men are vulnerable to developing body image issues too and I think that's unfortunately a fairly ignored topic of discussion. But, at least in the media I engage with, I don't think I've seen male characters reduced more to their body parts rather than their personhood. I never see gamers talking about Eve for her personality or character arc, it's all about the visuals. With regard to brothels in games, I can take them or leave them. I liked the Pearl and the one in DA2 because the characters there had personalities, were related to quests, and there was some humor to it. It wasn't really about the player's gratification. If there is going to be a brothel in Veilguard, I trust Bioware to handle it similarly.
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Post by Walter Black on Jul 2, 2024 21:14:43 GMT
At least slavery still exists in Thedas; for PATHFINDER 2nd edition, Pazio stated they will phase out the very concept. NO ONE will participate in the slave trade; not criminals or pirates, not evil empires or even literal devil worshipers. A google search tells me that what you are saying is different from what I am reading. It'll still be a part of the setting (and the impression I'm getting is that players will be able to approach it how they want), but official materials won't mention it as much. Regardless of everything else, that's an entirely different thing from "yeah we're retconning slavery out of existence lmao" Yes, it still happened in Golorion's past. But most of the PATHFINDER 2E lore material that I've seen make a point to mention that most cultures have now either abolished slavery outright, or are in the process of dismantling it. You don't think it hurts PATHFINDER's world building that even the worst of the worst no longer traffic in lives?
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jul 2, 2024 21:36:17 GMT
Brothels, or my precancel is ordered.
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Post by biggydx on Jul 2, 2024 23:07:04 GMT
I'm not quite sure why everything related to adult-themes seems to always come down to people believing there's this huge dichotomy between the West and East for some reason. Sometimes developers make choices to include more overtly mature iconographies and tones because, in the past at least, they needed something that would hook players into a new franchise. I don't everything always boils down to cultural sensitivity.
If you look at the original Witcher game, and compare it to Witcher 3, I'm quite sure you'd probably find that it's sanitized some elements of its adult-themes as well. What I'm getting at is, sometimes artists/authors find themselves more comfortable telling mature-related content without the need of such provocative visuals because THEY'VE matured in their narrative ability.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 2, 2024 23:31:47 GMT
Who was the NPC you could have a sexual encounter with? I don't remember that at all.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jul 3, 2024 0:42:57 GMT
Sometimes I enjoy playing lunatics who spend too much time in brothels, drinking, getting high and making the worst life choices. Games are power fantasy, and sure saving the world is cool and all but I already do my best impression of responsible adult IRL and doing it in games too can get stale. DA has been getting poorer and poorer RP wise, looking forward to my very polite milk drinking pirate Lord of Fortune. Did you just refer to your future character as a milkdrinker?
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jul 3, 2024 2:12:42 GMT
Sometimes I enjoy playing lunatics who spend too much time in brothels, drinking, getting high and making the worst life choices. Games are power fantasy, and sure saving the world is cool and all but I already do my best impression of responsible adult IRL and doing it in games too can get stale. DA has been getting poorer and poorer RP wise, looking forward to my very polite milk drinking pirate Lord of Fortune. Did you just refer to your future character as a milkdrinker? ![](https://media0.giphy.com/media/3orifdFaGBIdx69sGI/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952erybvru8l9f940yjkltu1gq15zhtizy46874ww92&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)
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